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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
town lean on: thrawn, scib, dude whose name starts with jamp or something, onegu, rayn null on: mocsta, JJD, lone meow leaning scum on: rean, cora, aqua unclear to me why onegu is obv scum/2nd day lynch according to moc. I'll take a closer look at his filter tonight along with my null to scum reads and update who I'm comfortable lynching day 1. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 21 2013 07:33 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn is aight for now. so is corazon and jarjar. ofc moc is conf town i'll take any odds that there's a scum in aqua/rean and if it's only one of them it's 100% aqua. i reread rean and his play is way scummier than i remember thinking it was at the time i became convinced about aqua everyone else is currently difficult to read i will resume tryharding and using punctuation/capitalization when I return but for now this is lazy reads ver 1.0. i am very busy today and might not be able to post again till tomorrow (like at least + 12 hrs from now) toodles sciberbia is quite fine aswell and jampidampi is voting for Aquanim so we lynch Aquanim -> Onegu -> Lonemeow -> Bereft, maybe Rean. ggnore game solved.  | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On November 21 2013 07:43 Bereft wrote: hey guys, I'm at work right now, but I'll be home in about 4 hours. have only skimmed the last few pages from my phone, but currently this is where I'm at: town lean on: thrawn, scib, dude whose name starts with jamp or something, onegu, rayn null on: mocsta, JJD, lone meow leaning scum on: rean, cora, aqua unclear to me why onegu is obv scum/2nd day lynch according to moc. I'll take a closer look at his filter tonight along with my null to scum reads and update who I'm comfortable lynching day 1. This is a bad post. Who posts such big lists like this 1/2way day 1? Especially with no context. Aside from me/thrawn not being the same alignment on the list which is odd, what i find odder is the town lean: On November 21 2013 07:43 Bereft wrote: This makes zero sense.town lean on: onegu I'm keen to hear some rational on this. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On November 21 2013 08:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's a joke. Why are you OK with such a monstrosity of a post above (Referring to Bereft list contribution) You of all players would have swarmed in to give a "grandpa mafia" speech. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Jampidampi + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 00:22 jampidampi wrote: Assuming you mean your case on Aquanim. I like it. I especially like how it applies to Aquas play even after the case. ##Vote: Aquanim Here's some more evidnce against Aquanim: This post is odd. It feels like Aqua really wanted to say the first paragraph and inserted the second one to make a post with more substance. If Aqua wanted to address my post with the second pararaph, why wait nearly two hours? Since the motive of this post clearly wasn't to adress my post, it must lie withing the first paragrapgh. The first paragrapgh is just throwing some dirt onto me without stating explicit suspection. The motive behind it is to make me look worse. That, ladies and gentleman, is a scum motive. @LoneMeow: Could be more specific about what makes you think Aqua is town? What do you think about the case on him? Basically, it took me two hours to determine that you weren't coming back and wouldn't elaborate on that point on your own. If you were going to explain yourself without my prompting I wanted to give you that opportunity. Obviously you didn't, and I can't help but notice you haven't answered my question even now. @Jampidampi I'd still like you to answer my question. Rean I already knew when I left to sleep that Rean would be voting for me when I came back. Based on his earlier suspicions of me it's the obvious next step to sheep a case someone has obligingly made for him, regardless of his alignment. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote: How unexpected. You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it like + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote: Short answer to Thrawn's case: I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them. Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them. For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you. Enough for a ##Vote: Aquanim Some other things I really want to adress: Apparently I'm his second strongest scumread, yet all he's done is ask me a single question very early on in the thread. He has made practically no effort to actually do anything about his "second strongest scum-read". I don't like this at all. Please do explain Sciberbia. That he, compared to Mocsta going around calling people "confirmed town" and naming scumteams 5 posts in, seemed to be taking it easy and more the "is most likely to be scum" route. In hindsight held back is probably not the phrase I'm looking for but you know what I mean. Okay. 1) I'm not backing out of my read on Rean, I'm quite confident he is scum. At the time, I was quite confident on both him and Corazon being scum, and since there were already votes on Corazon I decided I'd vote for Rean to pressure him too. I don't see what problem anybody has with that. 2) "Haven't done anything about my second-strongest scumread"? I put a vote on Rean after satisfying myself he wasn't going to contribute anything meaningful without a nudge, and then he hadn't come back and replied by the time I went to sleep so there was nothing further to do. Corazon I also figured Corazon's vote was coming, my wagon being a nice alternative to his. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote: On Aqua (again): My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me: To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place: It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess. TL;DR Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me This guy is scum I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out. 1) I changed my opinion on Corazon because new information arose (in this case, that there continued to be no purpose behind his case on sciberbia) 2) I believe my actual stated opinion on Rean's question was that it was an easy question for scum to ask - which is in fact true. I don't claim it accomplished nothing - it is indeed a question I ask often as town. It is a question I would ask often if I was scum, too. The point was that that question was Rean's ONLY attempt to draw information out of the thread, which gives me no reason to think he's town. 3) This guy isn't scum and 4) It's interesting (and scummy) that all of Corazon's reasons for thinking I'm scum are in some way linked to "attacking Corazon" or "attacking people defending Corazon". Rayn I don't think there was anything in particular new to address from rayn's vote. If anyone has anything further for me to adress I'll be around to answer. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
What's your case on Rean again? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 21 2013 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you voting for Rean when your post suggests you have a bigger scumread (or at least better reasons) on Corazon? Well, I was voting Rean to pressure him, since Corazon was already being pressured. At this point, though, the pressure from my vote appears pretty irrelevant. I'mma reread the last ten pages or so and decide who my greatest scumread is now, and then I'll vote for them. The time for me to mess around with pressuring and such appears to be well and truly past. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 21 2013 08:16 Aquanim wrote: Well, I was voting Rean to pressure him, since Corazon was already being pressured. At this point, though, the pressure from my vote appears pretty irrelevant. I'mma reread the last ten pages or so and decide who my greatest scumread is now, and then I'll vote for them. The time for me to mess around with pressuring and such appears to be well and truly past. Uhh.. I really don't like this. Are you saying your contributions at the start of the game were just "messing around" and "pressuring people"? That's a weak way to "flush all suspicion away", by just saying "guys hey, i was just messing around, now i start playing". | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 21 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is a big problem with that because you should be voting for your top scumread. What's your case on Rean again? Once again, my scumread on Rean was of almost equal strength to that which I had on Corazon. The reason I spent so much time talking about Corazon was because 1) I was being asked about my read on Corazon a lot 2) Rean wasn't in the thread so my vote on him had not yet elicited a response My case on Rean is essentially that: 1) The only thing he's done to try to draw out any information from the thread was to ask me for a scumread, which is a very easy thing for scum to think of and ask. Besides that, he's done nothing useful. 2) His answers to questions were short and didn't explain much, indicating that he didn't want to talk about his reads 3) He asked someone else to pressure me rather than just doing it himself, indicating he doesn't want to take responsibility for pushing people: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/4t8oM40) More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. 4) He has shown little to no original thought | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 21 2013 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Uhh.. I really don't like this. Are you saying your contributions at the start of the game were just "messing around" and "pressuring people"? That's a weak way to "flush all suspicion away", by just saying "guys hey, i was just messing around, now i start playing". Let me rephrase that. Yesterday the goal of my play was to get more information by pressuring and asking questions. Today I can't afford to have a goal other than working directly towards a lynch, since otherwise I will likely be lynched - and given that I know I'm town that would be a worst-case scenario. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 21 2013 08:22 Aquanim wrote: Once again, my scumread on Rean was of almost equal strength to that which I had on Corazon. The reason I spent so much time talking about Corazon was because 1) I was being asked about my read on Corazon a lot 2) Rean wasn't in the thread so my vote on him had not yet elicited a response My case on Rean is essentially that: 1) The only thing he's done to try to draw out any information from the thread was to ask me for a scumread, which is a very easy thing for scum to think of and ask. Besides that, he's done nothing useful. 2) His answers to questions were short and didn't explain much, indicating that he didn't want to talk about his reads 3) He asked someone else to pressure me rather than just doing it himself, indicating he doesn't want to take responsibility for pushing people: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. 4) He has shown little to no original thought Can you tell me,at the time of your vote, how you have contributed towards scumhunting more than Rean had? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 21 2013 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you tell me,at the time of your vote, how you have contributed towards scumhunting more than Rean had? First, the vote itself. I voted for my scumread myself instead of asking someone else to pressure him who I could nonchalantly stand behind. I also consider that the questions I asked (intended to better understand the point of view of other players, and determine their depth of belief in their arguments) were more useful and more insightful than Rean's "Who's your top scumread?" excuse for a contribution. Finally, I was and am always willing to talk and expose my thought process, which helps you to determine my alignment - which is not what I see from Rean, compare this: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote: I think it's to be expected that in a forum game replies will be more verbose, and I'd expect some level of sarcasm from Mocsta in any case. Without any previous experience with this tactic in a forum game I don't have a baseline to compare to. As an actual answer to your question: While his answer does have a fair bit of fluff in it, I don't get the feeling that he is uncomfortable talking about his alignment[ which I think is the pertinent point. The "No, I am not" is quite direct. this. If I see one more person go "X/Y/Z is scumteam GG NO RE #MANNERMULES"... (especially when X/Y/Z are each and every one town...) /rant The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? to this: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote: Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Sure Rean has contradicted himself a few times and the accusations against him are true, I don't think they warrant a full-on case on him and I don't think that he should be lynched for it. You seem to be all about looking like you are scum hunting and jumping on the right wagons and the timing of your changes of reads seem to indicate you are just trying to play for survival, which is what scum like to do. I can't wait to see your observations of the last ten pages or so and to hear you try to change the lynch subject yet again. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
If we compare something let's take the first quote of yours and the quote from Rean. Both answers are something that need to be explained. Yours, because people (and i agree with them) didn't understand how you can possibly draw a conclusion that Mocsta is town from that post as you didn't explain it. Rean's because instead of saying "null" he decided to characterize Mocsta's posting style. So i do not see how that's different at all. In next post Rean explains himself better, he says "null" in other words, again. The second quote of yours, i have absolutely no idea what saying "i agree with Corazon on this is supposed to accomplish". Was that post very townie? because you are not really saying anything. The last quote of yours, yes, that's a legit question. But then again you quoted three contributions of yourself and only one from Rean so you are not playing a fair game in my opinion, you are playing 3 vs 1. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 21 2013 08:40 cDgCorazon wrote: To be honest Aqua you say that there was "new information" on me which prompted you to change your vote but I think that claim is all smoke and mirrors. You wanted town to waste time arguing about me and not have anyone notice your lack of in-depth analysis and definite reads on anyone in the game. When Rean asked for it, you started attacking him and never answered his request directly even though multiple people thought it was a fair request. Sure Rean has contradicted himself a few times and the accusations against him are true, I don't think they warrant a full-on case on him and I don't think that he should be lynched for it. You seem to be all about looking like you are scum hunting and jumping on the right wagons and the timing of your changes of reads seem to indicate you are just trying to play for survival, which is what scum like to do. I can't wait to see your observations of the last ten pages or so and to hear you try to change the lynch subject yet again. I'm not sure there's any point in talking to you since 1) you're likely scum and 2) you've already made up your mind apparently. Actually, you know what? Try justifying some of your wild claims first. I've explained that I was waiting to see if you were going to back up your sciberbia case with a vote, and when you didn't I became much more suspicious of you. In what way is that smoke and mirrors? What is your evidence that I wanted town to waste time arguing about you? My attacking Rean WAS an answer to his question. He wanted to know my scumread - and it was Rean himself. I also had a scumread on you but I thought it would be more useful and I'd learn more by pushing Rean at that time, as I've explained. Would you care to further explain why you think the argument why Rean is scum is weaker than the argument why I am? You've said that without actually justifying why you think it's so. Oh, and why shouldn't I try to change the lynch subject when most everyone is voting for me? | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 21 2013 08:22 Aquanim wrote: Once again, my scumread on Rean was of almost equal strength to that which I had on Corazon. The reason I spent so much time talking about Corazon was because 1) I was being asked about my read on Corazon a lot 2) Rean wasn't in the thread so my vote on him had not yet elicited a response My case on Rean is essentially that: 1) The only thing he's done to try to draw out any information from the thread was to ask me for a scumread, which is a very easy thing for scum to think of and ask. Besides that, he's done nothing useful. 2) His answers to questions were short and didn't explain much, indicating that he didn't want to talk about his reads 3) He asked someone else to pressure me rather than just doing it himself, indicating he doesn't want to take responsibility for pushing people: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. 4) He has shown little to no original thought 1. Pressuring people trying to lay low doesn't count as useful in your book? 2. You mean the ones that were on the first 2 pages? I already explained earlier, I don't write essays when sentences suffice. 3. I didnt ask anyone to do shit, I made clear that I wanted to put you under pressure. However I didn't wanna distract from the topic being discussed at the time (again, I've said this before) 4. See point 1. | ||
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