EPTcorazon: (1)
aquanim: (6) thrawn, mocsta, jampidampi, corazon, rean, rayn,
rean: (2) aquanim, JJD,
Yet to vote: Bereft, Onegu, LoneMeow
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Mocsta
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corazon: (1) aquanim: (6) thrawn, mocsta, jampidampi, corazon, rean, rayn, rean: (2) aquanim, JJD, Yet to vote: Bereft, Onegu, LoneMeow | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 21 2013 09:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm sorry i don't buy that. Corazon clearly states he will not vote for anyone but his top scumread at the time, you agree, and then you do not vote for your top scumread. I agreed with the frusturation he feels at watching people claim to have found the entire scumteam without flipping any of them. I didn't agree with "always vote your top scumread" - though it is typically what I'd choose to do at the end of the day (barring the possibility of a no-lynch), there are other profitable things which may be done with a vote before then. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On November 21 2013 09:59 Aquanim wrote: I agreed with the frusturation he feels at watching people claim to have found the entire scumteam without flipping any of them. I didn't agree with "always vote your top scumread" - though it is typically what I'd choose to do at the end of the day (barring the possibility of a no-lynch), there are other profitable things which may be done with a vote before then. So you agreed with that part. Why is your vote not on Mocsta who claimed he found the scumteam at the start ofthe game? You are talking out of your ass. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20266365 please  - I know its small and annoying but I am slightly brain dead right now. I need the help.Rayn, I think this line of questioning needs to stop because its not tending towards an alignment indicative response. You are trying to catch him out in a lie and both playing cat/mouse. Similar to JJD with corazon tomorrow. In the end, there is no need to argue with your scum read that they are scum when 50% of the thread is voting that scum read. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Aquanim
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On November 21 2013 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you agreed with that part. Why is your vote not on Mocsta who claimed he found the scumteam at the start ofthe game? You are talking out of your ass. I said I didn't like it, not that I thought it was scummy. Remember, I watched Titanic - I saw the number of townies in that game who were so, so certain they'd found the scumteam, and it hurt me inside. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 21 2013 10:05 Mocsta wrote: Aqua http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20266365 please - I know its small and annoying but I am slightly brain dead right now. I need the help.Yeah, I'm getting to it. I'm reassessing my reads on Corazon and Rean as well, so it's taking some time. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Instead of that he makes up a new answer when the first one does not please me. | ||
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Mocsta
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On November 21 2013 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta i'm done arguing about it because Aquanim is giving different answers to the same question when i don't buy his first one. I am pretty sure i am right on this. OK just checked OP: so we need one more vote to receive majority (7/12) Carry on. (I thought the deal was done, so this was just clogging up the thread but my bad) | ||
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Mocsta
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On November 21 2013 10:08 Aquanim wrote: Yeah, I'm getting to it. I'm reassessing my reads on Corazon and Rean as well, so it's taking some time. lol. i didnt need a reassessment. i just needed confirmation of your stances in the past. thanks anyways. | ||
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sciberbia
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote: Apparently I'm his second strongest scumread, yet all he's done is ask me a single question very early on in the thread. He has made practically no effort to actually do anything about his "second strongest scum-read". I don't like this at all. Please do explain Sciberbia. Scib, please adress. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Pay close attention to what his reads are, and how what he chooses to post about is incongruous with his stated reads. + Show Spoiler [first post] + On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. In Onegu's first post, he states pretty significant scumreads on rean and Cora, both of whom have had significant heat on them today. But he spends the majority of his actual words in his post rambling about Mocsta's post count restriction, which is so irrelevant, seeing as he dropped it. Rean and Cora are rather large issues in the thread, and given that Onegu has rather significant scumreads on them, you would expect the majority of his posts to be dedicated to them, but notice how he always seems to instead ramble on about Mocsta. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] + On November 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote: Umm I think you are scum with rean. Catching scum would be my motive. On November 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote: That and his early post about giving scum reads to like the only three people who posted. Plus his thread control doesnt seem natural, its like he saw he could do it as scum but wasnt planning on doing it but he did it anyway. Ill give more when Im back home. On November 21 2013 01:49 Onegu wrote: Ok I am home and put my son to sleep so Im getting out my notebook rereading everything and will be back with you shortly, also I basicly agree with everything JJD has said so far minus a small bit of the cora stuff, but the rean and mocsta stuff yeah. But he took back his mospcsta scum read :/. Also I didnt read anyone being a douche to you mocsta so just stop already. On November 21 2013 03:37 Onegu wrote: @MOCSTA 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. You can tell a lot about a player's alignment by looking at what they choose to post about. It doesn't make a lot of sense for town!Onegu to be spending all his posts on Mocsta, even pulling up really old (now somewhat irrelevent) posts from Mocsta and breaking them down, when he has stated strong scumreads on Rean and Corazon, both of which he may actually be able to get lynched today. Is he even pushing a Mocsta lynch? No. He's not actively pushing for anything at all. He doesn't seem to think Mocsta is scum anymore than he thinks Rean and Cora are scum, so it looks to me like he just wanted to stay away from the Rean and Cora wagons for one reason or another, and in order to still look like he was doing something complained a lot about Mocsta. It doesn't add up. I think he could be the best lynch today. Need to reread Aquanim, Cora, and Rean. Not sure who I want to lynch most. In the meantime I'd appreciate some other thoughts on Onegu. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On November 21 2013 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the best case in this game. Really, cause I think this case sucks. @ first I read it and thought that top bolded quote was from aqua and thought "yeah, that is pretty shifty. But no shiftier than how Rean said he was gonna vote for people that post meaningless one-liners and then proceed to make a bunch of meaningless one-line posts. But that wasn't even aquanims quote. He was just agreeing w/ the general sentiment. I don't how you can see that post and believe that aqua was saying that he was always gonna vote his top scumread. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Onegu is a useless town player that is quite lurky and never has town credit to push his reads. As scum he maximises on that uselessness, but is also a major proponent of bussing. Thus, the extension aligns somewhat with your expectation that Cora/Rean/Onegu is a team. I will be keen to see your updated reads on those 2. I dont consider myself to be bussed due to the way Onegu has gone about it - its been clearly a smear campaign. + my role PM naturally. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On November 21 2013 10:28 JarJarDrinks wrote: Really, cause I think this case sucks. @ first I read it and thought that top bolded quote was from aqua and thought "yeah, that is pretty shifty. But no shiftier than how Rean said he was gonna vote for people that post meaningless one-liners and then proceed to make a bunch of meaningless one-line posts. But that wasn't even aquanims quote. He was just agreeing w/ the general sentiment. I don't how you can see that post and believe that aqua was saying that he was always gonna vote his top scumread. Yes, he was agreeing with Corazon about always voting for his top scumread. Then he proceeds to vote for his non-top scumread. When i ask him about it he does not deny that, he says something about why his vote was good. I say i don't buy it, then he changes his story. Seems pretty clear to me. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On November 21 2013 10:28 JarJarDrinks wrote: Really, cause I think this case sucks. @ first I read it and thought that top bolded quote was from aqua and thought "yeah, that is pretty shifty. But no shiftier than how Rean said he was gonna vote for people that post meaningless one-liners and then proceed to make a bunch of meaningless one-line posts. But that wasn't even aquanims quote. He was just agreeing w/ the general sentiment. I don't how you can see that post and believe that aqua was saying that he was always gonna vote his top scumread. No need to be so condescending dude. Rayn was trying to catch out Aquanim in a lie and tends to have very 'focused' reads anyways. My question to you is whether you think Rayn is confirmation biased with this push; or intentionally painting his posts to suit his argument. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On November 21 2013 10:24 sciberbia wrote: Of the players that started posting since I went to bed last night, I think Onegu looks by far the worst. His actions look inconsistent with a town mindset. Pay close attention to what his reads are, and how what he chooses to post about is incongruous with his stated reads. + Show Spoiler [first post] + On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. In Onegu's first post, he states pretty significant scumreads on rean and Cora, both of whom have had significant heat on them today. But he spends the majority of his actual words in his post rambling about Mocsta's post count restriction, which is so irrelevant, seeing as he dropped it. Rean and Cora are rather large issues in the thread, and given that Onegu has rather significant scumreads on them, you would expect the majority of his posts to be dedicated to them, but notice how he always seems to instead ramble on about Mocsta. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] + On November 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote: Umm I think you are scum with rean. Catching scum would be my motive. On November 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote: That and his early post about giving scum reads to like the only three people who posted. Plus his thread control doesnt seem natural, its like he saw he could do it as scum but wasnt planning on doing it but he did it anyway. Ill give more when Im back home. On November 21 2013 01:49 Onegu wrote: Ok I am home and put my son to sleep so Im getting out my notebook rereading everything and will be back with you shortly, also I basicly agree with everything JJD has said so far minus a small bit of the cora stuff, but the rean and mocsta stuff yeah. But he took back his mospcsta scum read :/. Also I didnt read anyone being a douche to you mocsta so just stop already. On November 21 2013 03:37 Onegu wrote: @MOCSTA 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. You can tell a lot about a player's alignment by looking at what they choose to post about. It doesn't make a lot of sense for town!Onegu to be spending all his posts on Mocsta, even pulling up really old (now somewhat irrelevent) posts from Mocsta and breaking them down, when he has stated strong scumreads on Rean and Corazon, both of which he may actually be able to get lynched today. Is he even pushing a Mocsta lynch? No. He's not actively pushing for anything at all. He doesn't seem to think Mocsta is scum anymore than he thinks Rean and Cora are scum, so it looks to me like he just wanted to stay away from the Rean and Cora wagons for one reason or another, and in order to still look like he was doing something complained a lot about Mocsta. It doesn't add up. I think he could be the best lynch today. Need to reread Aquanim, Cora, and Rean. Not sure who I want to lynch most. In the meantime I'd appreciate some other thoughts on Onegu. I have no problem w/ Onegas first post. WHat he said about Mocsta being scum if he didn't retract his post limit. Seemed like a perfectly fine thing to talk about. I was thinking the exact same thing And I think he's right in that we shouldn't be giving Mocsta a definate townread since he's done some scummy stuff this game. But I do agree w/ you that he needs to get off mocsta cause he's not getting lynched today, and start pushing his other reads some more. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On November 21 2013 10:31 Mocsta wrote: Ok Sciberbia, interesting tidbid. Onegu is a useless town player that is quite lurky and never has town credit to push his reads. As scum he maximises on that uselessness, but is also a major proponent of bussing. Thus, the extension aligns somewhat with your expectation that Cora/Rean/Onegu is a team. I will be keen to see your updated reads on those 2. I dont consider myself to be bussed due to the way Onegu has gone about it - its been clearly a smear campaign. + my role PM naturally. So having played with town Onegu before, what is your overall assessment of his scumhunting efforts so far this game? I would assume he generally I least tries to push his scumreads much more than he has today, right? Hell even in the one game I played with him where he was scum I think his play was more pushy. Responding to Rean next. | ||
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