EPTcann you invite people like palmar syllo sandro wbg toad radfield gmarshall kitaman etc so i dont get shot n1 even if i play terrible? :-/
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cann you invite people like palmar syllo sandro wbg toad radfield gmarshall kitaman etc so i dont get shot n1 even if i play terrible? :-/ | ||
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On November 14 2013 23:58 marvellosity wrote: If I get all my shit together, I might start this 1 or 2 hours before deadline so maybe some euros could say hello at the start. dunno yet. do it | ||
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I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:01 yamato77 wrote: electing someone so they don't get shot is not my idea of how D1 should play out That is exactly how we should play. And your ideas are exactly the reason, why you're no serious candidate. Who guarantees me that you not just fold and leave the game after d1 if we elect you? Seriously yamato... | ||
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oh god, you're reatarded. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote: This is false. Please address the post where I explain what my reasoning for not liking your statement actually is. You mean this peace of wisdom??? | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote: super does stuff like say controversial stuff to see how people react. Is it bad? Who's to say? I'm willing to write him off as arrogant and observe others. What do you think of Oats and his blatant lies? Typical non-reading-shittalking? Or something slightly more sinister? Write me off and "observe others" you're pretty dodgy. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:27 Pandain wrote: Yamato is part of your play making people feel bad and then seeing how they react to being called out. This is out of game but I'm noting now you do that a lot. Or do you actually believe all your tiny reads you get in the early game. where does he do that? Quote. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Dodgy? Or Dodgy? I don't know what you want me to tell there... I expressed myself pretty clearly. going to sleep now. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:38 yamato77 wrote: Both Oats and super think VE is mafia, how entertaining. how do you peasant know what i think? I don't really know why you're joking about the term "dodgy", since my dictionary told me it's a common word if someone avoids, eludes, evades or dodges something, like a discussion with someone. Example, if you brand someone as arrogant (ad hominem) and you hereby avoid, elude, evade, dodge a discussion about other things. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: supersoft says dumb stuff idk what that makes him Your post is useless and i think you're scum What exactly is dumb? Do you just repeat what you read in this thread or do you think by yourself? Are you planning to keep "playing" like that? Because this is completely useless. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote: So is attacking everything that moves super. And it's not going to get you reliable information either. how is raynpelikoneet "moving"? he doesnt deliver ANY reasoning for his reads. He just repeats what he thinks is the general consens in this thread. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: LXI ended how it did because of too many dickwavers like this. I suggest you don't try to repeat it unless you plan on getting lynched. VE actually i called HF's campaign bad, you called him town for it. Why no you say anything about it to me? LXI? Plan on getting lynched? Who are you? I don't even know you. I never got lynched. Ever. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote: You haven't given any reasoning for thinking I'm scum either - you say dodgy, but I can obviously be dodgy as town too so I want you to explain why you think it makes me scum so I can explain why you're wrong. You refuse - I've asked you a couple of times to elaborate and you haven't.. I never called you scum. I said your dodging is looking scummy to me. The dodging, not the person, since dodging always looks suspicious. The fact, that your townplay may include dodgy play, is not relevant here. I didn't refuse anything, i explained, why dodgy play is suspicious. Of course i cannot explain why i think that you're scum, since i don't think that you're scum just yet. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh, so what you're saying is that in spite of making that observation about my scumminess, you have actually, NO opinion of me. Good deal. Well if/whenever that threshold is crossed you just let me know. <3 I fear you won't cross any threshold anytime soon. I have a strict not-to-lynch-potentially-useful-people strategy d1+d2. If you're town, you will probably be dead d3, if the medics do their job like the usually do... | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Basically the point is, why are you assuming that he didnt prewrite it? Prewriting it doesnt mean anything to his current alignment. What you do is different to what other people do. I think super is intentionally doing stuff like the 'only vote vets for mayor' and stuff. So probably town. On November 15 2013 12:55 yamato77 wrote: Even if I misinterpreted hiro's singular post, the rest of his filter is still drivel and I think he fits nicely in the category of useless players posting nonsense when there's reads to discuss. Pandain looks better than he did early game, but grack is still being a useless fuck and is in the same category as hiro. Super is more belligerent than I've ever seen him and also overall not seemingly invested too much into the actual game. His start to the game was rocky at best and he came under fire for it rightly so. His response was to OMGUS and insult the people calling him out, and then never to commit fully to any reads. Mig's one post was pro town but it was essentially meaningless. Of the "conversation" Moc talked about, this is the most interesting aspect because Mig never followed up on the question or offered his own thoughts. Perhaps he is a generally lurky player, but I expect better if he,s supposedly a vet. Oats and VE are my two solid town reads. Everyone else either hasn't posted at all or isn't posting anything I find alignment indicative. On November 15 2013 15:48 VayneAuthority wrote: oats, supersoft, and austinmcc I guess would be the people on my watchdar, but these opinions are too popular so they are probs wrong "popular" - okay... Can you please explain a little, why you think that I am suspicious? | ||
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On November 15 2013 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll also support any supersoft lynch on the base of him being a dick. So you support a lynch on me, because i am a dick? What? You realize this game is about winning and killing scum. You think I am scum? | ||
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On November 15 2013 20:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think he's town, I think he's null right now. So you happily lynch people that are 0 ? | ||
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What do you think about me. Did we play together before? How do you remember me? Answer quickly and don't research me. | ||
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BC we need to talk. ;-) | ||
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On November 15 2013 20:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I played with you together in a game a while back where you smurfed. Don't remember the exact name of the game. I remember you as being a dick. okay. Do you read the thread? what do you think do the other players think about me. | ||
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Scum has to be afraid to post, because everything will be looked very closely. If you think it's okay to post things that are completely against your wincondition, you're wrong here and you're playing bad. | ||
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"I love you, in a bro way, yo" "gonna vote VE, because he's a cool guy" "i am happy to lynch Supers, because he's not nice" Guys... what's wrong with you? | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) yes 2) the tone of his first post is too serious (regarding electing kush) and idk why would he even entertain the idea of voting for someone who hasn't actually posted yet. like giving out townreads on people before they posted? already putting up some arbitary group he will choose his mayoral vote from? why? For same reason i dislike supersoft. It's not like the mayor will "YOLO i lynch this guy and not listen to anyone" unless they want to get lynched the next day. So yeah, not considering every player in the game for possibly mayor at the start of the game is really scummy. When did I say that I or BC will lynch someone and not listen to you? wtf. I said we elect one of us as mayor. I didn't say he can chose whoever he wants. Stop incriminating me, okay? Seriously. If you keep playing like that, we need to kill you at some point. A townie has no interest to accuse someone for something he never said. On November 15 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda think that makes him town. I disagree. Masoning yamato is a slight towntell, since he's agressive and definetely not naiv, so as scum it's a risky move. However not posting and just masoning is scummy. | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:47 yamato77 wrote: doesn't help anything, really but you're right Do you have a history with lonemeow? | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:53 yamato77 wrote: I correctly read his alignment in the last big normal when a lot of people were calling him mafia I don't remember actually interacting with him, but maybe it impressed him or something? I'm also playing pretty townie so it's not crazy to mason me. ' Perhaps he thought he had to mason early to use his power at all, as Marv clarified was not the case, and then just sent in first guy he got a townread on. He DID say he was going to be busy this weekend. It's also kind of odd for a mafia player to do something like that which is so overtly attention-grabbing. hmm so you defended him? can you link me the game? I just want to understand his thoughtprocess. I agree, that you established your townieness well, so i don't disagree with his masoning choice. it makes perfect sense for a townmason. But i wanna doublecheck | ||
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This story is weak covering attempt for your scummy statement, that you're completely happy lynching me, even though, you think I am 0 (obviously you know that I am town, since you're scum, so your statements make even more sense.) | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:58 yamato77 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=LoneMeow Even better, he was actually the doctor that saved me N1 while not even talking about me at all. I guess it's not that inconsistent at all, really. At least we can reasonably assume he's not automatically mafia for this. Okay, that's perfect. I like it. it's a reasonable story. Thanks | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:00 supersoft wrote: Okay, that's perfect. I like it. it's a reasonable story. Thanks You know, he obviously respects you as a strong townplayer, since he saved you the game before. Makes no sense from a scummasonperspective to mason a strong townplayer. I think the most reasonable use for scummasonpowers is to not use them at all. At least if you're lonemoew and not availiable for d1. | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:06 Holyflare wrote: This is beyond childish and I can't see any logical thought path behind what you are saying. He calls you a dick and said he would lynch you for it, it's clearly policy, being an active dick in the thread isn't helping anyone. A scum artanis could just ignore you because you shit up the thread and get people edgy, what benefit is there to calling you out on it? A town player on the other hand can most definitely say what he has been saying. I just don't buy his story. It's artificial and exaggerated | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:50 Mocsta wrote: @Supersoft, - 2 questions (1) Is VE still dodgy, or has artanis taken his stead? + (2) What do you think of Hopeless1der? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Hopeless1der I am aware that he was only present during the very early game where trolling is common; however, I find this quote unusual for town to make. Maybe this is written very dry and the joke is going over my head; but I am interpreting this as giving contemplation to voting VE. BTW, which occurs here: My issue is that, I don't think a townie would given any sort of consideration to that criteria for considering a mayor. Fact is, town want in a mayor someone they think is a good player + standing out as town + has identified why their lynch choice is a solid candidate. You're a deep analyser of motivation; do you agree that the above is not evident in the mindset of Hopelss1der? (1) No, I am slightly leaning town on both of them right now. Their behaviour fits their townplay. it's okay. Feel slightly better about VE. Artanis is little more than 0. (2) got to think about this. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:09 Koshi wrote: Worst reason ever. Why Yamato. Because do you see how people like rayn give LoneMeow a townread for picking Yamato. But how did LoneMeow now this before reading the thread that he had to Mason Yamato. Why not somebody he played with in the newbies? Or somebody that understand how he posts. Or somebody he scumhunts easy with. Why Yamato read my posts regarding this topic. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:43 Koshi wrote: supersoft Do you really want to be Mayor? Your first post: Your second post is you trying to stir up Yamato/VE who were at that point the most active posters in the thread that also wanted to be Mayor. The same second that you posted this you should have known that they would be mad. Why did you post this? Oats said that you search for confrontation and are able to read people after that? But to me this looks like plain old shitting up the thread for no reason at all. ... You enter the thread claiming that you need to be elected. But instead of gathering support you are shitting up the thread and annoying the living shit out of VE and Yamato. Why? If you want to be elected, wouldn't it be better to play nice with these 2? Btw, what is your read on VE and Yamato atm? My campaign doesnt include being nice. I want people to vote for me because it's the right way to win this game. I die n1 in about 80% of my towngames, so it makes perfect sense to protect me. I don't care if they get angry or not or whatever. All i care about is finding scum among them. I love to see when people comment on me, since I know that I am town and scum knows that I am town. Only townies don't know my alignment and therefor their analysis of my play isn't artificial or biased. it's my way to play day1. after day1 when I have some flips, I reread the thread and see what people said about the people that flipped. But for now I only know my alignment. Does that make sense to you...? + If you filter me correctly and not only read my first few posts where i provoke reactions, you wouldn't ask questions about my reads on VE and yamato. I already said, that yamato established himself well as town, and i also already said, that i lean town on VE. | ||
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On November 16 2013 00:00 Koshi wrote: Ok I missed that 1 line in which supersoft says he leans town on VE and Yam. Not the biggest fan on how he entered the thread. But it's cool. o_o flip flop but yes, now I understand what you want from me. It's actually very reasonable. You question my motivations, which is good. And you make a fair point: I said I want to be mayor, however I attack everyone. And I didn't follow my mayoral campaign up, this ends now: ______________________________________________________________________ to make this clear: I am still running for mayor. - I think i'll have a positive impact on this game if i survive to day3-4 - I usually die early, so i need protection. - I happily lynch someone if I get elected, I am cool with lynching someone the majority choses, and I am even more cool with lynching someone I chose. - I think I can establish my townieness very, very well over the next days and therefor I am also cool with getting elected as pardoner. If you elect me as pardoner, I want you to know that I have a strict policy regarding lynches. I love to lynch for information. Almost every lynch is (95%) is good for town in my eyes. (Only a Palmar/BC d1 lynches suck) And therefor, I'll probably never use the pardonder power. My policy regarding the doublelynch is, we doublelynch after we catched scum, because then we have enough information to lynch 2 scummers. | ||
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On November 16 2013 00:38 Alakaslam wrote: This is also good. Avoid insults and read the thread and find mafia. Easier said than done but it can be done. And who provoked a good post like that? Man I am on fire this game. | ||
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okayokay BC, he's not directly playing the newbiecard, but between the lines, you're right: On November 15 2013 08:36 StorrZerg wrote: yamato77 will have to back me as well. he knows that I hunt for scum. also we should lynch people who claim mafia, 100% pro town tip On November 15 2013 08:38 StorrZerg wrote: Kill people who claim to be mafia claim rng for first lynch (prob not but need to keep people active) hunt scum lynch them with fire blargh, useless fillers. On November 15 2013 08:43 StorrZerg wrote: How about an active guy? a guy that is looking out for the town because he is town! time to let some fresh blood lead the town straight and true im the clear and easy town read, no chance to be scum. he proposes something and makes the proposal weak in the same post by exaggerating his point (bolded) On November 15 2013 09:50 StorrZerg wrote: Joke  ill be great whywon't peoplee let the scrub give it a go I'll try and make a bigger impact tomorrow, today is just not good for posting  newbiecard? + excuses. is he really that bad when scum? Or is he just trolling as town... | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:11 Pandain wrote: I'm wondering if I should run for mayor if I can confirm myself as town mmmm definetely no. I want BC and myself in that office. If you can confirm yourself, fine. Keep it for yourself until it matters. | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:25 Grackaroni wrote: nah I did. And I shall consider my attempt successful. Another step toward my inevitable mafia victory. it's not funny, if you make yourself impossible to analyze. | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain and supersoft could you comment on my case on HF? I am not sold on HF, yet. I read through his hogwartsscumgame and i think he was more apologetic in that game. "ah i screwed up" etc. I don't see things like that in this game. I am 0 on him. I will have a closer look at him later. | ||
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On November 16 2013 04:26 Koshi wrote: From the vets/actives I am not a supersoft fan. I said why. I am still waiting on follow ups/more posts from others. So you're no fan or do you think I am scum? | ||
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On November 16 2013 04:52 Koshi wrote: I just find it odd that you were such a friendly fellow in Hogwarts who was more in the background helping around. It was only after you died N1 that I found out that you were a vet. This game you entered the thread elbows forward and smacked down VE/Yamato and started the early shitfest between you people. Don't know if it is scummy. But it isn't ideal at all. Why not? I already explained, why I want people to comment on me. I explained it to you. You didn't ask again, so i assume you understood my plan. If I can convince you, that I am town, will you vote for me? | ||
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On November 16 2013 04:53 Koshi wrote: Also, I have it always a bit harder in the start of a game. Especially big games. note: Apologizes for bad start. note: He critisized me for my aggressive opener. ______________________________________________________________________ rayn, who of you two is the more experienced player? | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:06 Koshi wrote: ctrl + f "Koshi" in rayn his filter. I get mentioned too many times but he doesn't interact with me at all. Except for the "Koshi why do you play so weird". Also, I am not impressed by rayn at all. His case on Holyflare is bad and he is not convincing anybody that Holyflare is scum. he is not convincing anybody...? Why do you note that. Is this an indicator for scummy play? | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:10 supersoft wrote: he is not convincing anybody...? Why do you note that. Is this an indicator for scummy play? You realize that the fact that he's not convincing anyone is only interesting from a scum perspective. | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:13 Koshi wrote: Meh, he would try harder when he would be town and really found something that everybody else missed. Also like everybody said, his first 2 points were moot and rayn didn't bother find more reasons to why Holyflare is scum, he just hammers on the fact Holyflare called him town for reasons he shouldn't. Which isn't too big tbh. Rayn knows if he's town 100% sure, so if someone calls him town for weird reasons, he might assume that the other person knows his alignment, and is therefor scum. makes sense, obviously convinces noone, since noone else knows 100% sure if rayn is town | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:16 supersoft wrote: Rayn knows if he's town 100% sure, so if someone calls him town for weird reasons, he might assume that the other person knows his alignment, and is therefor scum. makes sense, obviously convinces noone, since noone else knows 100% sure if rayn is town in fact i am going to give it a second look right now, because it makes sense. | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:35 Koshi wrote: It's where rayn blames Holyflare for giving a scumread while Holyflare was actually giving him a slight townread. That's the strongest part of rayn his case against Holyflare. A point he didn't even understand when he read it. It's just sad. malicious tongue ;-) so scummy koshi | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Always friend. You're going to have to elaborate. I already elaborated this? this is a terrible idea. | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not saying I want him to use the power, I'm saying I'm not opposed to him deciding how/whether to use it. I mean, clearly you're going to disagree with this statement as you're opposed to his lynch choice (I assume) because he's presently talking about offing BC, but for my part I trust Yamato's judgement with the Pardoner power. Right now I'm way more sure about Yamato's alignment than I am about either you OR BC. I lean town on you both but I'm solidly town on Pardoner. I don't share the ideal that we can rig removing the power, so I want Yamato to have it. Does this make more sense to you in the context of it coming from me and not me speaking as the will of town? I don't care about the pardoner power. I care about the bulletprovevest. You're throwing this game right now, VE. | ||
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On November 16 2013 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote: OH PARDONER GETS ONE TOO God I'm dumb I need to read OPs. Okay nevermind scratch that. scratch Yamato. | ||
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On November 16 2013 06:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Posts like this make me think Supersoft knows VE's alignment. at some point, i have to ram some posts into the ground. two posts are that VE is town and Yamato is town. I won't question these reads until something serious happens that rattles these reads | ||
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On November 16 2013 06:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: to be honest I can see yamato as town, i just don't think hes someone who should get elected. You / me / ve currently should be snagging those vests. I haven't seen anything out of yamato that says he should have extra night lives 100% agree. From a scum perspective yamato is no priority target for n1. He has no strong reads, no cases, he doesnt push the discussion in a certain direction, he questions everything always. He doesn't switch from chaos-agressive-start-the-game-mode into reasonable-direct-the-game-mode. | ||
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On November 16 2013 07:23 OOHCHILD wrote: ok I'm caught up. Rayne proved himself super town in the last few hours. I'd vote for BC mayor or VE mayor or supersoft mayor. I am confident in the towiness / scumhunting credentials of those guys. But yeah everyone who people are pushing seem pretty town to me. HF is definitely town, koshi town, rayne town, grack probably town. I've got a lot of townreads and not much else. Not enough talk about MIG imo. Never played with this guy before but his posts are really hypocritical. He shitposts about how shitty other people's posts are. good post. However we should judge mig at the end of d1. He might have his reasons for his absense. | ||
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On November 16 2013 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll provide an updated list soon - I'm awaiting input from a select few. What do you think about Pandain? Sneak Peek: Pandain is on the new list. coagulation is also a name to consider btw... | ||
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On November 16 2013 14:26 Mig wrote: I am going to bed. I would probably vote VE right now if I had to but it would be nice if there was any other reasonable candidate to actually decide on. Here are my notes so far if anyone wants them. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing are you afraid of smth.? do you always just post your notes? did you do this before? i am on my phone right niw because i am not at home. but this looks odd | ||
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but i am happy to write up my thougts on mig when i get home. | ||
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On November 17 2013 03:56 OOHCHILD wrote: i still want to vote for bc or ss vet-dick-ride style so why don't you do it? Oh man, i don't know if you guys are scum or just terrible townies. yet another game where it's almost impossible to separate poor play from scummy play. | ||
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On November 17 2013 03:24 Stutters695 wrote: Well you guys post way too much, so I'm doing the people up for election before I get back to completely reading the thread. The post on p6 of VE's filter worries me (where he explains why he's ok with Yam as pardoner. The logic in that post comes off as contradictory to me. He's ok with Yam using the ability if he deems it pro-town because using the ability will provide info yet he doesn't want to reveal his top choice for lynch because scum can either encourage a mislynch or sway him off of a scum lynch. What about the info gained from pushes leading up to the lynch? Why is that less valuable than the info gained from a pardoner when at the end of the day VE still controls the lynch and it's essentially free info? Advocating the possible use of an ability that in most circumstances is anti-town while not even planning to use the role he wants to generate info leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Other than that I didn't see anything that would make me not want to vote him, but can you help me understand your thought process there VE? Do you plan to get useful anytime soon? | ||
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On November 16 2013 22:46 Sharrant wrote: Sorry, this is going to be slightly list-y but I need a good way to organize my thoughts. Townies: Me VE Rayn Yamato Alakaslam Kush (SS and BC, though with some hesitation) Most likely mafia (least to most): Hopeless1der: His posts about his activity read to me as very flat, and apathetic. I see "Oh, no. My internet is out. What ever shall I do? Woe is me. And now I am the busy. (Hahaha, sweet, I don't have to post)" rather than "Fuck! My internet got cut off for most of that time, and now I'm busy this weekend. This fucking sucks". He's my weakest mafia read, but strong enough I'm comfortable with his lynch. BlazingHand: Wants to random lynch Vayne (null), but his filter is made up of only three things: talking about random lynching, making small digs at other players, out of game talk. He has several posts but all he has said is "RNG Vayne, Risen Town". Would lynch in a heart beat because he seems to want to talk about anything but the game in progress. (HolyFlare/LoneMeow): I've thought HolyFlare looked scummy for most of the game, but this post: Reads as very townie to me. (I haven't checked if it's true yet, that's for later) but it makes me pretty confident in a LM lynch if it's true, or an HF lynch if it's not. (In the case that it's true AND LM flips town, I am left unsure of what I would think of HF, but probably still townie off of that post.) @VE Aside from the fact that you want to lynch me I'd be inclined to vote for you. So please ask me whatever you'd like so you can realize I'm town, and move on to lynching mafia. Elsewise I'll have to go with someone I'm not as confident in. Please stay active. I like your posts so far. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:07 OOHCHILD wrote: It should be obvious to you why I wouldn't vote for you at the moment. For me it really isn't so tell me. | ||
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On November 17 2013 03:04 Mattchew wrote: BC grack OOH can all die. BH too but not for alignment reasons could you please explain, why you want to see BC dead, because I think he's playing pretty protown so far. More than anyone else btw. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:20 hiro protagonist wrote: Im out till tomorrow afternoon. Feel free to talk about how awesome a Day 1 scum pardner lynch would be. Feel free to try and say otherwise, so I know I can put you in the Red column. tomorrow afternoon ended 3 hours ago. where are you. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:13 Onegu wrote: Did you even read the HF/LM part, and by his posts reasoning that should be his strongest scumread.... How can you like this post or are you being sarcastic. Thats it right sarcasm? I mean the other parts. Sharrant doesnt look like scum to me. That's what i mean with good. On November 17 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: That post is terribad supersoft. You probably won't acknowledge it though for one reason.. you mean that post? I don't know what you're talking about. If someone is convinced, that either BC or I are better mayors than VE and yamato, he should vote for us and not for them. Period. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:15 OOHCHILD wrote: Are you delusional? It's because you have literally no chance of becoming mayor. unless someone influential pushes it very hard (not me. I have not even caught up yet). In which case I would join them in voting you. That is the worst and scummiest reason i've ever seen. So you don't want to be in the minority for a couple of hours, therefor you just join the majority? That's incredibly opportunistic and scummy. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:19 Pandain wrote: What is this then. You thought it was a joke? You have some unfinished business in the votingthread. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: no supersoft i meant the Sharrant post that says absolutely nothing and you think it's really good. I said it's good, not really good and i said with good i mean looking town. Is something wrong with your eyes or what. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you tell me what taht post actually says? holy moses, can you please shut up. wtf are you trying to do here. Wanna say I am scum for looking through the filters and out the people in the thread, that have only one filterpage? Sharrant is the least scummyperson of the persons that have only one page. Am I scum for having that opinion or what? you're so annoying. Doing nothing. Sitting in this thread, and chatting with that koshkoshguy, you fail to analyze seriously, even though you were a hydra with him. Get out of my way. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:26 Blazinghand wrote: if I get RBed I'm still better off than getting lynched D1 by a pant-head http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=20#396 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328827¤tpage=22#428 some classic BH crumbs for you How the hell is some crumb alignment indicative? what am I doing here... I am talking to someone who crumbs tracker with panthead. wow. | ||
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There are people not voting for their favourites, because they don't want to be in the minority. They even say that openly in the thread. there are people that claim tracker with some comic reference. There are people who are willing to believe that claim. there is yamato (Green but completely useless in scumhunting) is leading in votes... FOR A PLACE IN THE OFFICE there is VE who just refuses to teamplay. there is rayn and koshi who chat with each other and fill about 5 pages with accusing each other without ANY substance behind the accuses. there is grackaroni who talks in third person like a retard there is pandain who is masoned to me and who is obviously scum. there is Lonemeow who only talks to crazyyamato there is mig claiming scum with his terrible notes and his more than obvious lack of interst in this game - which can easily be seen, because he doesnt follow up any questions. i ignore his questions intentionally, to test his interest in this game. He probably just forgot about them, because he just doesnt care. Ah, yes, there is coagulation, who claims randomly medic. I think twice and beside that doesnt post anything reasonable at all. And then there I am, OBVIOUSLY town, and obviously without any protection n1, so all in all, it would fit the pattern of this game really nicely if you'd lynch me day1. | ||
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On November 17 2013 03:47 Blazinghand wrote: I've played trolly and non-trolly as both scum and town. It's certainly not helpful when I'm a lurking troll D1 as town but it happens all the time and it's always the same conversation when it does. Here's how it goes. Some guy: hey why is bh so quiet and unhelpful? he did this once as scum, therefore he is scum Me, or sometimes someone who knows me: yeah that's not really alignment indicative. BH definitely CAN be lurky and useless as scum but it happens when he is town as well; and him being active is not a towntell for him either. Basically the only towntell for BH is him catching scum Some guy: but I want to lynch BH based on a poor understanding of his meta!!!! wahhh so in any case let me know if you want to have that conversation, again, with real words, or if this will suffice for you. Lynching me today is a terrible idea. don't do it. if take the letters at the beginning, you get ihsmafssm if you switch the h with the i you already have hismafssm and vigilante also has an i on the second position. Who don't we analyze that interesting peace of nonesense for the next couple of hours? | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:53 supersoft wrote: hm okay, now let's talk serious business here. I think i figured BHs claim out: if take the letters at the beginning, you get ihsmafssm if you switch the h with the i you already have hismafssm and vigilante also has an i on the second position. Who don't we analyze that interesting peace of nonesense for the next couple of hours? why* | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:56 Pandain wrote: Supersoft since you wont answer in mason chat, who do you want to lynch first Someone from this group probably: Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me. mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1. it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum. If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot. But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:08 supersoft wrote: Someone from this group probably: Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me. mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread***, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1. it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum. If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot. But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC. ***scumread obviously. He's like my strongest scumread by far. | ||
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mhm i didn't follow that one up, because I couldn't deceide whether hopeless is scum or bad townie. + i don't fully agree that these credentials are irellevant if you're town. I mean it might be interesting to read a game where your mayorcandidate actually is mayor before you vote him so i think that comment isn't really a tell. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote: Also super, I know your list includes a couple very low volume/contribution posters. Is cheesecake off the list because you think he's town, or just super duper forgettable and he should actually be on there? I don't want to kill someone who doesnt participate at all, these guys can be town or scum you never ever know it for sure. I know that if i get elected, I have to kill scum, to prevent the inevitable discussion whether I am scum for not killing scum or not. Yes there are still some of these people on that list, but I am here and I will work on my scumreads until the deadline comes. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote: Do you think that those two posts are enough to call someone scum or bad townie? I think these posts are definetely not enough. If I overthink them, i might come to any conclusion i guess :D | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:20 austinmcc wrote: Okay, just checking. I haven't engaged you and am unsure on elected-you. Last time you got an extra life, I think you were short on time (you were rezzed as a ghost in some game we played where I was scum), and the game was a MESS, but it didn't go very well. I know our team initially killed you because you were onto someone or someones, but once you were confirmed town and alive again, it just didn't feel like you did much, and your reads got turned around. I only remember i defended the shit out of some other ver (Foolishness or BC) and when i came back i think marv convinced me that he was scum, but he wasn't and I built a scumteam around him and failed completely :D Yes, that was the worst game i ever played. I am not immune to mistakes. And even if you might think i am arrogant and that I have a huge Ego, I admit my mistakes and I am always ready to think twice about my reads. + I always trust my brain and not my heart. I never lynch someone because I don't like him and I never show mercy because I like someone. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:33 austinmcc wrote: No, that game was ridiculous. We let marv and foolishness fight, caused town to DISTRUST a mod-confirmed flip, and a couple other things. It's not fully indicative of your normal play. We were also in bureaucracy together (and both got banned ) and I had no problem with your play there.I care mildly about ego/arrogance, only because I really do believe in happy atmospheres yielding good town results. I don't want you mayor because of that. I didn't get banned in bureaucrazy! I shot Foolishness the scumchief of the bureau :-P + I delivered you scumPalmar with my special Palmar-alignment-detection-tactic That was my best game ever lol | ||
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Grack a little comment on the following players would really help: coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD, pandain, mig just a few sentences and a ranking on the following skala: ++ = town + = slightly town 0 - = suspicious -- = scum okay? you got one hour. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:39 Onegu wrote: Ok its 3 am and I am falling asleep trying to read filters. I am halfway through supersoft and he trolls alot, while I wouldnt 100% call him scum I would never vote him for mayor, alot of his ideads are juat untown, and the way he justifies himself acting like this really sets off warning bells for me. Ok all my reads up until SS which I just gave you. 1. BC touched on this earlier null to slightly townie, would like him to answer my questions though. 2 Mattchew for someone people have talked about has nothing in his filter or has made any reads 3 Sharrant Scum 4 VE There is a Ton and I mean ton of spam. He gives a list of scum reads but no reason why those people are scum. This really makes me not want him to be mayor. Also if you read his filter its like he EXPECTS to be mayor. This sets off alarm bells for me also. I do not want him to be mayor. 5 Mig his notes made me feel a bit better about him, also his first post seemed townie to me. He needs to be more active and give better reads though. 6 Onegu Im town 7 koshi pregame goes on and on about wanting to be mayor, game starts he doesnt want to be mayor, then 30 hours into the day he wants mayor again, this just doesnt make much sense. Also we know he thinks rayn is scum but I would like him to flesh out his storr, and grack reads and find somemore scum. Null to town 8 coag nothing 9 mocsta very townie, I think he is one of the more townie people in the game. His cases and thought process is clear even though I disagree with a few. 10 Storrzerg I kept getting a lynchbait feel to him, yes he hasnt done anything, but just seems so many people just jumpped all over him for small reasons and that just snowballed and he hasnt really done anything about it. 11 Sknjbs this really looks like the same approach he had in hogwarts where he was town, he is slightly more active this game, but I think that is because there are more people he is famailar with from his other site, townie 12 hiro big lurks 13hopeless big lurks 14 grack he has zero serious scum reads, and he trolls a ton slightly scummy 15 Pandain I like his posts but disagree with almost all of them 16 Stutters big lurks 17 supersoft this is where I stopped and am not quite finished Anyway goodnight should have finished reading me, because I changed my playstyle several times during day1... but okay ranking the guys on my scumskala would also help... and right now youre voting yourself. I dont want to shatter your dreams, but you're not going to be elected. So far, you could vote for BC. You have him as slightly town on your list... | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:44 Grackaroni wrote: coag - null Hiro- null Hopeless - leaning scum Risen- Craaaaaazy OOHCHILD- Do not ever lynch in any game ever. Pandain - Fuck knows. His point on Rayn is actually decent. Mig- Probably town Storrzerg - Forgot about this guy. He could be scum. OOCHILD refuses to vote for me, because he doesnt want to vote for the underdog. What do you think of this. | ||
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comment on these: On November 17 2013 05:39 supersoft wrote: Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD, pandain, mig just a few sentences and a ranking on the following skala: ++ = town + = slightly town 0 - = suspicious -- = scum and everyone else you want to have eyes on. Enough chattering. Go. reread! | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:04 Koshi wrote: Nobody from that supersoft inactive list should be lynched except for maybe Storrzerg. BH, rayn look like the 2 best candidates. I still prefer rayn over everybody. SS are you serious when you say Mig and Pandain are scum? Pandain isnt imo. I am sersious about mig, not so sure about pandain. He looks better now. I had to take his time to decide what to do, so i give him credit for that, i think for today, he's off the table... I am currently rereading. If i really have to decide the lynch, i have to do a lot of work until then. I need all your help now, the time of the endless chat is over. We produced a lot of content and now we have to analyze it. | ||
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First of all, I think it doesn't matter if VE or I get mayor. We probably end up lynching the same target. I listen to VE and VE listens to me. Votewise I want you to make sure, that VE and I end up in that office and not Yamato. Yamato played well so far and I believe he's town, but we need to find other ways to protect him. And I think he's not the first person the scumteam worries about. I'll go back rereading now. | ||
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On November 17 2013 09:20 Grackaroni wrote: I don't see much of a difference at all between Mig from White Flag and Mig in this game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432880&user=Mig yes? I see a significant difference at least in basic activity. average post length, quantity etc. | ||
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Dunno what happens if VE or yamato get elected and don't send in their lynch in time... | ||
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On November 17 2013 09:29 Grackaroni wrote: Mig is a very reserved player. He will question people endlessly without giving his own opinion until he is asked. He wasn't more active that game than in this game. Yeeaaaaaaa, kind of. I remember mig as a way more dominant player about 3 years ago... But i also see a difference in his current play compared to white flags. Anyway. I won't lynch mig today. I want to give him another day. | ||
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On November 17 2013 09:44 Grackaroni wrote: I liked Artanis' points on Mocsta; that is honestly the best case in thread. I honestly haven't been looking too hard into the thread but I think lynching one of Koshi/Rayn could be a good idea. Koshi has been playing scared and Rayn's HF push was bad. I also think he honestly might have slipped with how he handled the BH claim when asking him who he would lynch as mayor. He already said he would lynch Vayne so why ask for clarification all of a sudden if he wasn't reconsidering BH for mayor. (prefer Rayn lynch) If it has to be an inactive, I think it should be hopeless. Looking through Pandain's filter I dislike a lot of what he has said recently. I'm ok with leaving him alive I should be able to get a good grasp of his allignment by day2 alright i am filterin mocsta right now. | ||
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I am rereading mocsta right now. I also want to have a look at mattchew. | ||
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On November 17 2013 09:52 supersoft wrote: I am unsure... If I cannot find a proper target, I am going with Hiro* Hopelessder or Coag... I am rereading mocsta right now. I also want to have a look at mattchew. and hiro. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:00 Pandain wrote: My town reads are usually right idk if that helps Which posts give you that impression? We have 15 minutes until I probably have to decide. I doubt that VE shows up and even if he shows up, i guess he'll consider mocsta, too... | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:02 Alakaslam wrote: He has 15 minutes to send the lynch or you have to. thanks very helpful :D | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:23 VayneAuthority wrote: It's not an argument, it's a history. Pretty much almost every mayor game on this site ever has had a scum in power. that's bullshit. Who told you this? | ||
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On November 17 2013 17:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Honestly I chose Skanjab1s because I expected more of him. I see now that he might have just been masoned with someone or something. But I like Skan and I really thought he'd play better. Incomplete information or whatever. I'm moving on. skanjab was a bad lynch. because we never talked about him at all. We have almost no information how people thought about him. We didnt even know that he was mason. Mocsta would have been a better lynch, since we had many opinions on him. Man, not even I filtered skanjab before you killed him. But it's okay. Doesn't change the posotove pitcome of the votings. two townies in the office is a decent start. | ||
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On November 17 2013 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote: How do you know SS? i dont question my reads all the time. VE is town for me, if nothing unexpected happens. | ||
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I told you from the beginning, that i want a SS/BC office. If you don't vote us, don't get pissed if VE lynchs suboptimally. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:03 VayneAuthority wrote: I do not think BC and supersoft are both scum, that was only a 5% chance of occurrence as stated in my filter lol... | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote: No because it relies on mafia assuming medics follow supersofts advice which is far from certain. And that assumption has to be strong enough to losing a mafia member in the hopes of getting two kills I think I happily sacrifize BC and a Medic for one dead scummer. We can trade 2 for 1 anytime. Especially in earlygame guys. Remember, we have no real evidence at the moment. If one scummember dies, this provades an immense amount of information. | ||
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I stopped reading, when you started making stuff up: I never said people should vote for mayor based on lynchchoices. I always said people should vote based on the townieness and skill of the candidate. | ||
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I have an issue with Oatsmaster wait! i come up with some stuff i noticed, whe looking through his filter ^_^ | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:47 supersoft wrote: oh fuck, i just realized i might die tonight, regardless of my two lives :D I have an issue with Oatsmaster wait! i come up with some stuff i noticed, whe looking through his filter ^_^ First peace of evidence: On November 15 2013 02:32 Oatsmaster wrote: BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes Mig Coagulation supersoft BlazingHand I see yamato. I see. Pregame. Ingame he votes Yamato for no good reason and doesn't partivipate at the discussion! | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:50 supersoft wrote: First peace of evidence: Pregame. Ingame he votes Yamato for no good reason and doesn't partivipate at the discussion! Second peace of evidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Oatsmaster&view=all one million questions, no follow-ups. Only oneliners, no opinions on anything. Questions are mostly pointless. If he has no serious notes, he's scum | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:51 supersoft wrote: Second peace of evidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Oatsmaster&view=all one million questions, no follow-ups. Only oneliners, no opinions on anything. Questions are mostly pointless. If he has no serious notes, he's scum This line of posts seem extremely fake: On November 15 2013 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote: nah yeah I think VE is town. On November 16 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote: What super? How do you tell the difference between town and assassin? Also explain Mig being scum, Im thinking he is town now actually. On November 17 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: what the fuck VE. What the fuck. I dont think VE cares about lynching scum now. On November 17 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: WHICH MEANS HES THE ASSASISN Also at least 1 mason is scum, we should lynch into the mason pool and all the masons should claim tmr morning with their reads on mason buddies. WHAT? why does that mean he's assassin? Why doesn't that mean he's scum? Ah i know why. Because Oats slipped terribly. VE isn't scum and he knows that! OATSMASTER is scum! | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:54 Alakaslam wrote: I have no clue why that throws me off so much but we want world peace, which is a piece of my mind. Sorry just wanted to note, I understand it is wholly selfish FUCK! i knew it something with that spelling was terribly wrong :D sorry for that piece of evidence obviously! ebarassing!!! but i am super tired! | ||
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First piece of evidence: On November 15 2013 02:32 Oatsmaster wrote: BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes Mig Coagulation supersoft BlazingHand I see yamato. I see. Pregame. Ingame he votes Yamato for no good reason and doesn't partivipate at the discussion! Second piece of evidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Oatsmaster&view=all one million questions, no follow-ups. Only oneliners, no opinions on anything. Questions are mostly pointless. If he has no serious notes, he's scum Third piece of evidence: This line of posts seem extremely fake: On November 15 2013 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote: nah yeah I think VE is town. On November 16 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote: What super? How do you tell the difference between town and assassin? Also explain Mig being scum, Im thinking he is town now actually. On November 17 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: what the fuck VE. What the fuck. I dont think VE cares about lynching scum now. On November 17 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: WHICH MEANS HES THE ASSASISN Also at least 1 mason is scum, we should lynch into the mason pool and all the masons should claim tmr morning with their reads on mason buddies. WHAT? why does that mean he's assassin? Why doesn't that mean he's scum? Ah i know why. Because Oats slipped terribly. VE isn't scum and he knows that! OATSMASTER is scum! ##vote: Oatsmaster let's get this day started! | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ^^ Flip also makes BC look worse imo. BH/BC/Mattchew good targets. being wrong =/= being scum | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mocsta doesn't like people calling BC scum. Or am I cray? interesting find. Got to think about this! But BC is not an issue d2. We give him at least one or two more days. I have plenty of other good targets, so he can wait. Either he happens to be a huge pain in the ass for the scumteam in the following time, or he must be hanged :-( | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:25 supersoft wrote: interesting find. Got to think about this! But BC is not an issue d2. We give him at least one or two more days. I have plenty of other good targets, so he can wait. Either he happens to be a huge pain in the ass for the scumteam in the following time, or he must be hanged :-( Another interesting fact is, that i wanted to kill mocsta. Now we have to look who was there at the time, who didnt unvote me and who tried to convince me not to kill mocsta .... pandain? ;-) | ||
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On November 18 2013 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also riddle me this. Why would scum not shoot into them (BH/BC) if they were town? They have no reason to expect BH is not a tracker. They have every reason to expect yamato is docced over BC. Fuck they did not even roleblock BH. we dont know that. RBs give no notification. | ||
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I am not sure, whether marv balances his setups. I talked with a few guys, don't know if marv was one of them about the idea, to make an allvet or an allnewb scumteam and see what happens, since often times people discuss that topic like we're doing right now. I remember the time when the setups were like that, and like in bureaucrazy-mafia, after wbg/syllo/sandro and I were alsmost sure about each other, we knew Palmar/foolish were scum. That was just too easy. Lately, I think the setups are more random. I don't think that BC or VE are scum atm. But as I said, regardless what I and you think their alignment is, i think we need to give them another day. I am rereading BH later and we have to consider Pandain and others who were around at the lynchtime and didn't switch after I said i'd kill mocsta. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: After Ego Mini mafia. Discussion closed. Now find scum supersoft and stop talking about shit. Are you insane? How are you talking to me? | ||
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I am going to dig through his former games and I am going to reread BH and dig through his former games. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:54 OOHCHILD wrote: gratz you guys have successfully made it nearly impossible for anyone but yourselves to read the whole game. well done. there's literally no way BC is going to have the time to catch up, and it's way harder to read someone who doesn't read. So please rayne koshi artanis everyone knows you are all town. Stfu and let other people talk please, and if you have something to say, CONSOLIDATE your thoughts. rayn has 17 filterpages. i have 7 and I am talking a lot. | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:37 Mig wrote: SS has done a bunch of stuff I have been suspicious of. Everyone says he is an amazing analyzer but I haven't seen him put in effort and do much of it (oats stuff is ok tho). That being said, he said he was probably going to kill Mocsta right at the end of the day if VE didn't come back. There is almost no way mafia would do this and throw away a 2kp vig for a day1 lynch. Unless he knew VE was coming back I have a hard time seeing him as mafia. A bunch of stuff? Like what? I wanted to kill mocsta and i was one vote away from doing it/10minutes away from doing it. and rayn, please stop dump nonesense in this thread. It's extremely annoying. You provide nothing. All you do is demanding masons to claim and creating wild theories about trollBH. | ||
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On November 19 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is supersoft doing nothing and not even reading the thread? I am going to report you. You asked me this TWICE now. TWICE! in only a few minutes. I haven't read any filters yet. I have a life and I don't spend 24 hours in this thread posting oneliners. Your filter is unreadable. Your filter has the length of an average newbiegame. I read my filters yesterday evening for about 2 hours of my valuable time. I came up with mocsta as my final lynchtarget and in the night i read through filters and found Oatsmaster, who i am highly suspicious of. I am creating more useful stuff than anyone else here. I am organising the game. Look what I did at the end of d1. Everyone was analysing and we had a PERFECT town atmosphere. Now look what you did to the thread! It's a MESS! Think about that! please! I am going to read through BH and others. But not when you expect me to. | ||
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On November 19 2013 05:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I was the one that actually made the case on Mocsta, don't go taking credit for that. I didnt read your shit. And you weren't even close to get elected and kill him. So I keep my credit okay? | ||
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Grack switched his vote on me when I said i'd lynch mocsta. At this point of time, i was one vote away from mayor. + If VE would not have shown up, i would have killed mocsta. That move would have been incredibly risky if Grack really was scum. Remember, Mocsta was a 2 shot Vig. No scumteam wants to sacrifice their 2 shot vig. That doesn't make sense. Just read this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275¤tpage=104 | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + First piece of evidence: On November 15 2013 02:32 Oatsmaster wrote: BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes Mig Coagulation supersoft BlazingHand I see yamato. I see. Pregame. Ingame he votes Yamato for no good reason and doesn't partivipate at the discussion! Second piece of evidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Oatsmaster&view=all one million questions, no follow-ups. Only oneliners, no opinions on anything. Questions are mostly pointless. If he has no serious notes, he's scum Third piece of evidence: This line of posts seem extremely fake: On November 15 2013 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote: nah yeah I think VE is town. On November 16 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote: What super? How do you tell the difference between town and assassin? Also explain Mig being scum, Im thinking he is town now actually. On November 17 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: what the fuck VE. What the fuck. I dont think VE cares about lynching scum now. On November 17 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: WHICH MEANS HES THE ASSASISN Also at least 1 mason is scum, we should lynch into the mason pool and all the masons should claim tmr morning with their reads on mason buddies. WHAT? why does that mean he's assassin? Why doesn't that mean he's scum? Ah i know why. Because Oats slipped terribly. VE isn't scum and he knows that! Fourth piece of evidence http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432880&user=Oatsmaster¤tpage=2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Oatsmaster¤tpage=2 On November 15 2013 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote: looks the same to me. yeah. I think so, too http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432504&user=Oatsmaster huge difference: Posts with actual content in between the massive amount of oneliners. See for yourself guys. On November 18 2013 13:50 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont know what SS wants me to post. but thats basically how I play every game. Good job SS, you managed to show that I play consistently with my other games. and this is a lie. Fifth piece of evidence: His defense: On November 18 2013 13:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Also I like how nobody mentioned me until SS and suddenly Im everyones top scumread. Namely Pandain and Hopeless. Hopeless is the most scum. ad hominem On November 18 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote: You havent done jack shit and you sheeped SS's case on me without bothering to rephrase anything. Rephrase the points you agree on Hopeless. more ad hominem. And most important: He doesnt try to explain each point individually. He just takes the weakest point of what I said about him - the oneliners - and says he does that every game. No explanation why he voted Yamato, No explanation why he thought VE was assassin and not scum. And finally, even his defense was a lie, since he doesnt play like this every game. OATSMASTER is scum! ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Mig was like an Idol to Palmar and me | ||
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On November 19 2013 07:36 supersoft wrote: + if mig is town, he's only a shadow of his former self. Mig was like an Idol to Palmar and me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299&user=Mig Look at this awesome game. Look at his play... These golden days... Man what a time And this was a PM game btw!!! My first larger game or this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=Mig&view=all aawww yeah :D also a PM game as far as I remember ^_^ wbgs first larger game i guess :D Mig. This is a joke. I am extremely disappointed... Your spreadsheet lol. So sad! | ||
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On November 19 2013 07:37 OOHCHILD wrote: ss if oats is scum, dont you think this quote is weird?? why not? he just points out 3 possible scenarios and casts confusion? he doesnt take any stance, does he? On November 19 2013 07:41 OOHCHILD wrote: furthermore I find your case against Oats completely unconvincing. You cannot say his meta is to try harder, because how hard you try usually depends on external circumstances. I think big games like this make it more likely for town to lurk because it's so much harder to keep up and have relevant ideas. I agree on that, but I think it's not only that. I think - what i pointed out above - that oats refuses to take any position in his scumgames. He just asks questions and makes short comments that say nothing. In his towngame he did the same, but in between he took positions. | ||
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On November 19 2013 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like Oats is scum because he voted yamato (who flipped town) mayor and called VE assasin? On November 19 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote: oats isn't scum. assassin at best. guys. I really appreciate any constructive critisism. But I don't know what to respond to this. Can you just point out what I am missing? Please some text. This is nothing personal. I just want to lynch scum and I have no problem, if I am wrong right now. Just tell me what you think. | ||
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On November 19 2013 08:01 OOHCHILD wrote: Let me just clarify. I dont think the quote is scum on scum because in a way it's tooscummytobescum. As scum he probably wouldn't take such a blatantly ambivalent stance on his scumbuddy. Okay, now i get it, but hasn't exactly this happened a lot in the past? If I read games after the flips, I am always like: "Woa, this is so cheap, how could we not see this." I think we overlook some things because we don't try to get behind the statements enough. yeah, you're right, if you're scum and you control what you say, you probably don't comment on a scumbuddy like this. It's really scummy. But in the situation, you're just chatting around a little, you might slip like that. Just saying... I don't think Oats is town because of that. At best I think this statement is 0. | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:24 VayneAuthority wrote: who talks like this to their scum partner though...if oats is anti-town I doubt it's scum. hmm no, i think these comments are short enough... Mocsta is ballsy enough to do that. He's just softly attacking Oats. He just says he's angry and shy etc. Not enough to rule out a scum/scum conversation in my eyes. On November 19 2013 08:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya VA is like totally town. VA thank you for being very obviously town this game. agree on that one btw. | ||
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On November 19 2013 08:16 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Double-Lynch-Mode: Activate I'm gonna read up on LM. My biggest issue is that Yamato died. That makes LM look really bad right? So why would scum do it? Like WIFOMsauce or whatever, but it just seems like a really dumb shot for scum to take if LM is scum. excellent. <:-) | ||
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On November 19 2013 08:24 thrawn2112 wrote: Hey super Who do you want me to mason tomorrow out of: VE BC yourself We don't talk in thread about who to mason. I expect you to choose wisely. The fact that there might be a suicidebomber out there who kills me regardless of my vest makes me sleep uncomfortable! | ||
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On November 19 2013 08:50 Mig wrote: super do you think I am scum or just bad? don't know. This doesnt even match your worst scumgame... I reread some of the old games, and i can see why you're not playing this one :-o Back in these days we thought Kurumi was a troll... now look at all these grackaronis and blazinghands.... We thought Palmar posts a lot... Now look at rayn... He easily triples the amount of posts Palmar had back then :-o | ||
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Shoot eachother n2 please, but don't bother our business! | ||
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On November 19 2013 09:14 supersoft wrote: Btw guys. I am pretty confident, that coagulation and BH are our assassins. Shoot eachother n2 please, but don't bother our business! You can now claim and battle this out like men. Face to face. mexican standoff. Do it. | ||
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On November 19 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Uh SS. Why is your case so bad? 1. How is me calling Hopeless useless ad hom? 2. Ive said why I thought VE was assassin. 3. Why would i vote for assassin and not obv town? you haven't said why. You contradict yourself all the time you called him an assassin AFTER the lynch. | ||
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On November 19 2013 10:57 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont see what difference it makes when I sayit in thread. You want to know why I thought Yamato was obv town? what? you called VE assassin, because of the person he lynched! How did you know before the lynch, that skanjab is town? lol. You're digging your own grave right now | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:02 Oatsmaster wrote: And? So the first time I think of something I HAVE to post it in the thread? Do you have a point here or do you just wanna say im contradictory and therefore Im scum when that is totally not the case. lol now you're just trying confuse me. lol. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont even. What? Who plays like this? i do this all the time, when I am scum. As town, i try to be useful. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:24 Oatsmaster wrote: i meant the part where you dont engage me and dont care about my answers to your totally weak points. and i thought you're trying to tell me, that your play is completely uncommon for scum. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:29 Oatsmaster wrote: its completely uncommon for my scum play. okay cool, so we try it the other way around: what did you do this game, what doesn't fit your scumplay? | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote: Warning: Conjecture ahead So I did a little research on the timestamps of when SS announced he would kill mocsta as mayor and the votes that followed after that. Supersoft says he would kill mocsta at 9:57, says he will filter mocsta at 9:47 Austinmcc switches his vote to supersoft at 9:23 Then switches back to VE at 9:47 as well. I was hoping it would be a little more conclusive but he would have had to change his vote in the same minute for this to have any merit...anyways something to keep in mind for austin. nice find! i overlooked that! hmm | ||
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WAIT! I already did that in one of my scumgames. Because if you cripple the thread for like 3 days or so, everyone loses interest = easy scumwin. | ||
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This is just madness. It doesn't help at all. If I were scum, I'd just talk to you for 10 pages from every now and then. It is that easy. | ||
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He's delivering everyone the excuse to not read the game. And I can't blame anyone for it. | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:33 Pandain wrote: Can you explain to me why you think BC is town? Or at least I got that impression from you in our chats and in thread. I think BC is either scum or playing poorly, and I don't think I can decide that yet to make a definitive decision to lynch him tomorrow. I'll explain my analysis: 1. He berated rayn for trying to find masons, yet in our first post in our mason chat he revealed something connected to you that I'm sure you know today. So that doesn't make sense. And I don't think I was town enough to justify revealing that info. 2. I revealed my mig notes' discovery which I felt pretty much definitively proved Mig is town. I don't like how BC was hesistant giving him a high town read. Here's his quote: It says he's town, but I don't like how it just seems hesistant. Maybe I'm overthinking this part. I looked over his town and scum games and the biggest thing that I found to differentiate them is that Town BC will find something suspicious and then analyze it himself. Scum BC will simply note it(until of course he gives a later big analysis) . I don't like other areas of BC's play either Just seems weird to me, add that I think his grack analysis was pretty poor. "HF, if you keep this up, we'll lynch you!" Guess scum HF now knows what to do. And other stuff like that, I can explain more if you want BC has to explain these things in your QT. I still believe he's town. Would be a grave mistake to vote him today. | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:39 Pandain wrote: Mattchew you keep inviting yourself to get lynched strong candidate for the "too bad to be scum"-award | ||
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BH is a troll in my eyes. He's unreadable. I am 0 on him. He might be assassin, of course, why not. I am not convinced that he's an assassin... Honestly I only took a shot in the dark and thought, that the other assassin might shot at him n2. But since you all want to hang the troll-Assassin/townie/scummer who isn't connected to anyone and has noone defending him ... go ahead... I am not stupid and defending BH who i give a 1/3 chance to flip red,(1/3 because I have so many solid townreads right now) and risk that the insane townmob lynches me because I stopped the lynch. I can wait for d3 to repush my oatslynch. I also have a few other targets i am observing closely. I'll give you cases at the end of night2 and everyoe is happy. Right now, I still think oats is the best lynch for today. | ||
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But hey, we have a doublelynch tomorrow. Can't we just kill him tomorrow? | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:56 supersoft wrote: I see the necessity to lynch him. Otherwise this town will never be able to analyze anything. But hey, we have a doublelynch tomorrow. Can't we just kill him tomorrow? and kill Oatsmaster today? | ||
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or mattchew...? Is also an acceptable target... | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh it was rounded down. Nevermind, BH is scum either way and therefore the best lynch. that is the reason, why I prefered a lynch we got more information out of like Oats. But okay, now it's too late. We kill BH and hope he's scum and i think after n2 we will have a lot more information on the table. (voteswitch on BH because of that btw.) | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:54 austinmcc wrote: Alright. Early bit of the day nice. Things that I found interesting while reading. (1) OOHCHILD came off very townie to me.
(2) Mig is town.
(3) I like the BH lynch. Someone touched on this i think, but didn't hammer it home. Read this post - + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 16:32 Blazinghand wrote: I think so. in a moc/grack/foo scumteam, grack is a weak link. Moc wants to live for multiple days and get his shots off, so it's a reasonable bus. It also ties in with grack's playstyle, the troll-serious-troll thing. Moc can back off his bus if he needs to, saying "oh that was grack trolling" or something, or he can ramp up the pressure if he thinks a grack lynch is coming, and he wants credit. Both are reasonable. It's a pretty flexible bus and it makes sense with the moc role. Look at dat. IF MOCSTA WERE BUSSING GRACK HE WOULD HAVE SHOT GRACK FOR SUPER DUPER FREE TOWN CRED. So not only could mocsta NOT bus anything D1 because it was mayoral, but mocsta COULD have bussed super duper sexy hard if he really wanted to. BH's reasoning for the mocsta/grack interaction reads SO illogical to me that it's just more fuel. It's not a case of not reading the thread, mocsta flipped assassin. ANYONE who thinks mocsta was bussing grack has to account for the fact that mocsta couldn't lynch anyone D1 and could have shot anyone N1. ##vote: BH (4) There's a separate post coming on some thrawn stuff (5) Koshi, why would you suggest that if BH flips town, we lynch a top scumread of his as one of the double lynches tomorrow? Someone else called you out for essentially saying we should follow a dude who, if town, has stated he doesn't have much time and isn't keeping up. But why would we EVER give a lynch to a single dude after death over town consensus? (6) rayn no longer scummy, imo. He's way way way too spammy, but oh well. He followed up on questions about Holyflare when nobody was discussing HF and he could have sat on other topics, he's made some good points today, and while I feel like he's...trying to post in too many directions at once for right now, i like MOST of them. Although he's been spammy and the thread is difficult to catch up with, it's not difficult to catch up with because rayn has been having THE SAME shitfight with people. He's spammy in a bunch of different directions, most of them townie and good, and that's a big positive, imo. It means less likely he's intentionally clogging thread, because he shouldn't be starting new discussions if he just wants to clog (or should start only meaningless discussions). (7) If VE were scum and posted a list D1 of 5 or whatever people to shoot, I would expect there to be scum on it. Never hard and fast rule, but if you think he's scum because so many of his possible D1 kills were town, then I'd be interested in hearing whether you think UNFLIPPED people on that list are likely scum (if VE is scum). (8) Probably a separate post on BC as well? I'll do thrawn and BC solo in separate posts. (9) I did not get the sense that HF was trying to read me in mason chat. I gave him a pass early, thought about going back to look, but never did, felt I was doing some stuff in thread and stuck with that. So...I didn't feel that EITHER of us was really trying to tease out the other's alignment. I was curious that he might find me slightly scummy, but never for super articulated reasons beyond the very obvious (amg he active but no reads, wut dis?)/ (10) ss also looks good for wanting to kill rayn to save the thread. He's had good posts today, the mocsta thing makes him look good as well. Everyone can say "but maybe he wouldn't have actually killed mocsta if we elected him!!!!" Nobody cares. Yes, he might have done any number of things, he could have spammed nothing but goatse pics as mayor. But your speculation over what he might have done holds less weight than his statements about what he was going to do, and saying "I will lynch mocsta with my mayoral lynch" --> "JK dudes, lynching this other guy" --> mocsta ever flipping would look TERRIBLE for ss. Absolutely not worth saying you'll do it and opening yourself up to looking that bad as scum. wow. I really like your Mig part! Didn't know that okay. That changes my read on him! | ||
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Fine we completely WASTED that day. ARGH Every game i tell myself NEVER LISTEN TO THE OTHER NEWBS AGAIN! I should have flooded the thread like others | ||
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On November 20 2013 10:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Im sorry what SS? Lynching people that arent town is bad? You hang tomorrow! Oh I get you hanged, even if i have to enlarge my filter to 100 pages! | ||
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On November 20 2013 10:14 Oatsmaster wrote: uh no, thats incorrect you arrogant fuck. You die tomorrow :-) | ||
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On November 20 2013 10:15 Oatsmaster wrote: You can try. And you will look totally stupid when I flip town. Do you want to look stupid and bad? hahaha I want your scalp as a trophy | ||
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claiming scum. very nice! | ||
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i will 100% be visited by scum tonight. oats, mattchew, BC are scum. :-/ protection on mig... :-( | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:02 Mig wrote: Hello my townie friends. I am going to claim and also say artanis/hf really fucked me up here. I am a 2shot Vig and I very much wanted to shoot BC tonight but since I have no clue if they were serious or not I shot mattchew. N1 I shot Sharrant, so there was 1 mafia kp missing. Either they were retarded and shot BH or the medic made a save (I asked marv and he said nobody is informed of a medic save so meh hard to tell). I thought about shooting thrawn because hiro replaced + hes one of the masons + he supported BC's idiotic Grack plan but the fact that mafia might have shot BH and BH claimed assassin to him stopped me. Ended up debating between mattchew/cc/risen/coag and ended up picking mattchew. I was really counting on being able to shoot BC honestly so had to rush this decision last second. I am going to be really annoyed if artanis was rbd or they were just fucking around and shooting someone else. If BC is not dead at the end of the night I am going to be hella pissed. But if he is somehow not dead please please lynch him. Also, thanks to everyone saying I am town I expect to be murdered tonight so parting reads- 99% trust Artanis/Rayne don't lynch these 2 ffs. Vanye I trust next most his posts just make sense and he went back and tried to look at my notes again later on when I doubt scum would still be that interested in them Murder List- BC #1 if somehow BC is town look strongly at SS, seriously why didnt SS post his mason logs fuck. Besides them I would look strongly at Pandain/thrawn/the lurkers. Make sure to look into the masons. We have 2 trackers 7 masons 2 vigs and a doctor right now. It is almost impossible to believe that some of the masons are not scum. FUCK YOU SHOT HIM AWWW NO!! Oats is scum FUCK and BC is town ARGH Or they have no RBer :D | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:56 Mig wrote: What do you mean super? And I show mattchew not bc Noooo I took care of Mattchew ARGH :D this cant be true | ||
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Oats is 100% scum. I know where the missing MafiaKP went. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:56 supersoft wrote: Noooo I took care of Mattchew ARGH :D this cant be true Ah wait nvm it's good, we took care of different things. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:58 Mig wrote: Can you share so I can comment in the 3 minutes I may have left to live I am townRBer. I blocked Oats - thats where the KP went. I blocked Mattchew right now. I claimed to BC, he made me pardoner. BC isnt scum otherwise they would have RBed me | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:59 supersoft wrote: I am townRBer. I blocked Oats - thats where the KP went. I blocked Mattchew right now. I claimed to BC, he made me pardoner. BC isnt scum otherwise they would have RBed me noone shot VE or BH!!! | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Funny fact. LoneMeow wondering why Sharrant was killed and the forgetting it somehow fits into this situation.  i wondered, too. sharrant was no scumkill that was obvious. I even asked you guys about him because i wanted to find out, if a KP went missing. And a KP is missing. I am really convinced that i blocked Oats and his KP. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + supersoft 11-20-2013 08:44 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE can i still talk in here? did you remason me? marv didnt sent me anything, but he didnt close it like yesterday... 88 supersoft 11-19-2013 07:57 PM ET (US) i really hope he's scum... the thread will be a complete mess if not... 87 supersoft 11-19-2013 06:09 PM ET (US) at least we have some discussion about that. In the end we lynch BH. Okay. 86 supersoft 11-19-2013 05:44 PM ET (US) okay, i understand that. okay 85 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 05:42 PM ET (US) Honestly. The only person anyone is likely going to agree to lynch today is me if not BH. Im moderately selfish in the fact that well, I'd like to live. BH is unreadable. I am 100% certain hes going to flip red. Id rather take the "safe" lynch to ensure mafia kp dropping. If we attempt to swamp it now so close to deadline im likely dying. If BH somehow flips green we know almost for sure grack is mafia. If he flips assassin then it removes him and 1 other player lowering our pool of players instantly by 2. Having a smaller pool to analyze and use the double lynch tommorrow to me is the safest and smartest play. 84 supersoft 11-19-2013 05:32 PM ET (US) oh my... okay... let's ignore this guy for now. We have bigger issues... BH, I think he's unreadable. I think he might be scum, but I think it is better to lynch him with the doublelynch. I mean there is almost no discussion about this lynch. Everyone is like yeah BH might be scum. If he flips green or assassin we got no further information for out doublelynch. I prefer Oats today and BH tomorrow. Oats gives us information, so we can find a partner for BH much easier. + ScumKP won't go down in case we hit red today. They stay the same. 83 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 05:27 PM ET (US) he knows we're masoned. I told him at the start of the cycle....which is why he thinks im scum. Because I told him but not the thread -_- 82 supersoft 11-19-2013 04:37 PM ET (US) you can tell Pandain that we're masoned... I think his latest post somewhat clears him in my eyes. Tell him that we talked about mig. I by the way still think he might be scum. He's eaily capable to play like this as scum As well as you are in pandains eyes. 81 supersoft 11-19-2013 04:31 PM ET (US) i mean i try to look like i am trying. I hope he wakes up from this madness 80 supersoft 11-19-2013 04:29 PM ET (US) I try to get rayn lynched. I think we cannot win if he stays alive. I am 100% sure, that almost noone follows this thread anymore. He's discussing townreads for millions of pages, this is just insane. 79 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 10:32 PM ET (US) he and i are masoned and he is actively analyzing there. Not in a way that I'd associate with scum. I dunno could he have fooled me? maybe but it really feels genuine. 78 Supers 11-18-2013 10:01 PM ET (US) okay good, because i am leaning either extremely town, or extremely scum on pandain. thats why i didnt adress this topic in the thread. i am completely unsure about him ^_^ 77 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 09:56 PM ET (US) I am going to have to take a step back from my tunneling ive been doing. I realize I am tunneling like I did against yamato only this time with grack -_- As a note I strongly disagree with your pandain read. I also can see mig based off today potentially being town. I don't like his lack of participation in thread but he is actively updating his reads on his spreadsheet and when he posted today he was making sense as much as it pisses me off to admit. Id place my reads more like Town Koshi VE You Me Artanis OOHchild Pandain Null Grack Mig Thrawn Rayn Lonemeow Scum Hopeless BH Leaning scum Oats Holyflare 76 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 09:45 PM ET (US) not sure about a missing kp tbh 5 dead one being red. Marv said there were 6 mafia in thread so their kp would be 3. That puts them at 4. Still need to filter dive oats as a ton of your case requires reading them all 75 Supers 11-18-2013 05:27 PM ET (US) i need your opinion on Oats... I am not sure, if there is a KP missing n1, 4 KP, one shot by Mocsta... I think there might be one missing. I am not entirely sure. Regardless of that, I really think my case has something in it. Do you have any objections you want to talk about? 74 Supers 11-18-2013 04:56 PM ET (US) Town Grack rayn koshi VE artanis OOHCHILD Lonemoew scum Oats pandain mig 73 Supers 11-18-2013 03:05 PM ET (US) Rayn is insane... I cannot understand the motivation he puts in this game. 18 filterpages. I never came even close to that, and I view myself as a really active player... Whatever. I think Grack is town. Based on his behaviour around the lynch. He switched on me, when I said that i lynch mocsta. He switched last minute to make it happen. He should be town, i don't believe that anyone plays so risky. I mean someone else could have switched and bam. And by that time it was clear, that I get to lynch if VE doesnt show up in time and VE was gone. 72 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 11:22 AM ET (US) Rayn really wants us to claim  71 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 10:57 AM ET (US) id prefer others but BH cannot be town. His play is that of scum or assassin. You could make a case likely for either side without any issue. I am unsure of oats currently based purely on the play this current cycle. I find that harder to see in a scum motivated player compared to a town one. 70 supersoft 11-18-2013 06:13 AM ET (US) i feel the necessity to lynch BH, but i prefer other targets... 69 supersoft 11-18-2013 06:11 AM ET (US) we should doublelynch today... 68 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 04:30 AM ET (US) REOPENED - Day 2 / Night 2 67 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 08:04 PM ET (US) CLOSED 66 supersoft 11-17-2013 07:32 PM ET (US) if there happen to be only 2 or less scumteamkills and no medicprotections and no doublestacks, Oats must die ^_^ 65 supersoft 11-17-2013 07:01 PM ET (US) okay no further nightactions: i blocked Oats, because I am pretty confident he's scum. If i die, you know it. 64 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 06:19 PM ET (US) fair enough, works for me 63 supersoft 11-17-2013 06:12 PM ET (US) yes, i have to take the risk that yamato goes completely insane and outs our circle in the thread. I'll introduce him to our moves step by step... 62 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 06:06 PM ET (US) it makes sense. It would also make him realize why the 3 of us are as tight as we are. The only downside I see is him then outing us both as masons 61 supersoft 11-17-2013 05:54 PM ET (US) i think i might have to mason Yamato to get him on out side... I think he's town and he's suspicious of our VE/BC/SS connection. I might have to add him to our circle 60 supersoft 11-17-2013 05:50 PM ET (US) good okay, you mason me and i mason VE i guess... 59 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 05:22 PM ET (US) honestly if he is masoning me then I will mason you. Leaves you able to mason VE or someone else to connect into the group. We can just keep using the masons to create a chat group essentially 58 supersoft 11-17-2013 09:22 AM ET (US) yes np. Pandain asked me if he should mason you, i told him to do that. He also suspects that i am a mason... He suggested that i should form a towncircle with VE and yamato hahaha 57 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 07:47 AM ET (US) im heading to work and will be back hopefully with good time before the cycle change. However I am expecting to be home around 530-6pm est given how busy I was told we were last night. 56 supersoft 11-16-2013 08:11 PM ET (US) btw. that was a typical VE move... That's why i didnt want him to be in the office at all. But okay, i won't get mad ARGHHHAHGGHDSGGGGGGGGGGGDSSDFAPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 55 supersoft 11-16-2013 07:57 PM ET (US) what about mocsta. he does look like scum to me... 54 supersoft 11-16-2013 07:31 PM ET (US) mig is a good RB target btw. i need a lynchtarget now... oh man this is hard 53 supersoft 11-16-2013 07:20 PM ET (US) re 52 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-16-2013 05:35 PM ET (US) i appreciate that. i have to bail for a bit soon to get together with someone from college. Mig is kinda scummy but you are right, offing him day 1 would be bad. Of any Vet the only one you'd get no real flak for killing is BH. His claim was super shitty and he didn't really crumb it / hasn't done anything worth while this game. 51 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-16-2013 05:33 PM ET (US) On November 17 2013 05:08 supersoft wrote: Someone from this group probably: Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me. mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1. it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum. If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot. But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC. Of that post I still strongly suggest grack or storr. I know i've more or less sank my teeth into them and won't let go but since gracks reappearance from what ive seen in the last few hours hes done nothing to really prove hes town aligned. He could be an assassin, or mafia but no way in hell is he town. Storr as much as I suspect has given me enough to not want him dead currently but it all comes down to his reappearance. kush is kush. I like offing him purely on principle but I don't think hes particularly bad so far this game. I can see his hesitance for voting for me purely on previous games together. Hiro, coag and hopeless are all lurkers. They are all safe lynches. They may flip red they might not, but they are safe in the sense they aren't contributing much and what they have hasnt been particularly useful or good. Risen I am currently unsure of. Hes had both good and bad posts. 50 supersoft 11-16-2013 05:32 PM ET (US) done. I take a short nap, i barely slept recently. i'll be here 90 minutes before the voting ends. I reread quite a bit, bit i am having a hard time to find someone equally scummy to mig. I don't want to lynch him d1, since it's against my general policy not to lynch vets day1 and if he is town, people will freak out completely. High risk, but high reward and the chances he's scum aren't too bad. 49 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-16-2013 05:28 PM ET (US) also get your vote back onto yourself, now! 48 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-16-2013 05:28 PM ET (US) good. As long as one of us gets in over yamato thats what matters. 47 supersoft 11-16-2013 03:33 PM ET (US) i raged, now i get voted... so that's how it works... 46 supersoft 11-16-2013 01:46 PM ET (US) lets vote you, to prevent yamato -_- 45 supers 11-16-2013 08:33 AM ET (US) okay assassin makes no sense, my mistake. I didnt properly read the OP regarding assassins :D 44 supers 11-16-2013 08:19 AM ET (US) the only reason, VE has no interest in protecting this circle and playing selfish is that hes assassin. i am pretty confident, that mig is scum. he just doesnt care at all. Voting VE fits that oattern. Why would mig just put his vote on the one with the most votes and not care at all about the pardoner. he didnt even think about it. you can see that in his conversation with you. 43 supers 11-16-2013 06:14 AM ET (US) d2* 42 supers 11-16-2013 06:13 AM ET (US) if VE wants me, mason/townRBer in the office he must vote me. he gas enough votes on himself... i will convince/force pandain to vote for me. i guess 5-6 votes should be enough. i think a SS/BC office is not going to happen with VE not supporting it. oh man... ve is so selfish... if he's just VT and he steals mine or your vest i'll be so mad. this is game deciding right now. if i manage to RB scum and there is a vest/medic protection on us, we have a good chance to make it to d3 and continue our circle. 41 supers 11-16-2013 02:47 AM ET (US) mig asked me a few questions. i won't respond and see if he follows up on that. so i can see whether he cares or not 40 supers 11-16-2013 02:43 AM ET (US) pandain masoned me 39 supers 11-16-2013 02:42 AM ET (US) i know. the roleblock is fantastic. if i block scum, we see that one kp is missing and therefor the rb is like a check. i just hope, that there are only 1-2 kills... if too many vigs/sk etc shoot, we wont see if kp miss or not 38 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 08:16 PM ET (US) VE is in agreement of the 2 of the 3 of us should be elected. 37 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) VE i can semi take care of if its any help. 36 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 07:15 PM ET (US) that is insanely powerful. Its also incredibly useful. BH has a really fucking dumb idea to bust out with for his first post a day after the game started. Mig i want to see more from and coag is coag. Id like to see more from coag as well as hes normally stupidly easy to read. 35 supersoft 11-15-2013 07:09 PM ET (US) If he's not cool with it, you can tell him, that he might deserve the position, because he established himself so well, but unfortunately he's no mason :-( + we will probably find a way to protect VE, too. I am not only mason, I am also Roleblocker :D and marv just told me that scummembers carry their KP, that means, I can prevent them from shooting... Oh man i went all in right now :D if you're scum, lol :D But I am pretty confident, that BH, Coagulation and/or mig are scum. 34 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 07:01 PM ET (US) passed it all on to him. Need his response in how we move from it 33 supersoft 11-15-2013 06:23 PM ET (US) We, you, VE and I should agree one two of us who get into office. I think we should vote and after that we should push this in the thread. Otherwise we might have the problem that only one of us gets into office. Regarding our roles, mason/mason, I vote for you and me... can you please discuss that topic with VE? and does he know the mig-plan? 32 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 06:01 PM ET (US) risens vote confuses me to be sure, but ill take it. I kinda like that idea. Its kinda a good way to gauge someone that id never thought of 31 supersoft 11-15-2013 05:54 PM ET (US) We have to defend mig all day long. I want to see if he comes back without pressure. This is a trap: if he doesn't come back, we can clearly see that he has no interest in helping us. If he comes back without pressure and plays very well, this is a much better sign. i always do that with palmar. If he doesnt play day1+day2 i cozy him around and tell everyone to shut up and if he shapes up immensely and kills scum, everything is fine. If he keeps doing nothing i get him killed. I think we can to that with mig, too. Townmig comes back and performs no matter what people say. A scummig might not come back without pressure. 30 supersoft 11-15-2013 05:48 PM ET (US) I mean he votes for you, even though I am the one he wants to lynch... what? 29 supersoft 11-15-2013 05:47 PM ET (US) I think Risen doesn't care about this game at all. But as long as he votes you i won't torture him. 28 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 04:32 PM ET (US) I also want to see more come out of LM and yamato (given that we know they claimed mason) more out of hopeless and more out of austin. all of em need to post more so we can solid reads. 27 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 04:28 PM ET (US) true. Mig when hes been around (near never) isn't saying bad things. Its just not well, enough. If he doesn't step up his game I think hes a solid person to dig into as is storr for reasons ive said before. 26 supersoft 11-15-2013 04:25 PM ET (US) storrzerg and mig are targets we need to keep an eye on. Both of them don't live up to the expectations. Especially mig who is just not playing. 25 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 04:16 PM ET (US) I honestly don't think he realizes the actual power of our masoning right now =\ 24 supersoft 11-15-2013 03:50 PM ET (US) and wtf is this about the use of the pardoner power?! I don't get it at all. 23 supersoft 11-15-2013 03:47 PM ET (US) VE can have my office spot if he's medic and if he keeps protecting me till his last breath! 22 supersoft 11-15-2013 03:43 PM ET (US) oh lord why does he want yamato as pardoner? is he aware of the possibilities that our 3 man cycle brings? yamato is a terrible choice. That guy may just vanish randomly anytime. he hat an explosive start, but i fear he won't keep it like that. + his reads usually are not on top -_- 21 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 03:33 PM ET (US) said he was going to work. So he might be on soon or might not. 20 supersoft 11-15-2013 03:12 PM ET (US) Koshi is in trouble... Where is VE? 19 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 12:39 PM ET (US) that is sizably better than this game jesus 18 supersoft 11-15-2013 12:27 PM ET (US) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...aroni¤tpage=3 holy shit. this is his townplay... 17 supersoft 11-15-2013 12:23 PM ET (US) + Onegu had a much better start this game, compared to his scumgame. amount of posts is higher, he's not excusing himself all the time... 16 supersoft 11-15-2013 12:19 PM ET (US) okay. I am just rereading Grack. Now i get what you mean hmhm... 15 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 12:15 PM ET (US) will start reading it myself now then. 14 supersoft 11-15-2013 12:12 PM ET (US) he's pretty new... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052 i am just rereading ogwartsmafia... Onegu was scum then, Sknjab got lynched as town. Maybe we can find any parallels 13 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 12:07 PM ET (US) I think its mainly because I haven't read any of his games I am seeing what I am seeing? He went back to trolling after being semi useful. I understand your reasoning on storr which is why hes not my #1 lynch. If he comes back and improves cool, but he has to improve a shit ton. Is skaj new? I can't figure out if hes a troll, bad, or scum. 12 supersoft 11-15-2013 12:03 PM ET (US) I agree on how we should use the powers. Now we have to make sure, that VE/You/me get into that office. regarding onegu, yes On November 16 2013 01:31 Onegu wrote: I disagree with this post all the way. A calm relaxed town is much better than a rattled unhappy town as it interfers with thier ability to think rational thoughts and posts. For super to use this as a reson for his attitude feels scummy, if he just said this is how I play deal with it, I would feel better about him. I don't like this post, it fits for scum to post this. He might be right to some extend, but this is not the current topic anymore and it doesnt make any sense to discuss this topic further. As scum you want to argue about things like that. What is the best townatmosphere, is being rude or agressive protown or not etc. These general policy discussions are easy for scum, since everyone has some kind of a positions and there is no real right or wrong. I also agree on Storrzerg. He posts so little. I'd like to read more from him... Cannot make a final decision on him. regarding Grack, I don't even read what he posts. I can't stand trolling and I just hope it ends. I hate it, because I don't even know if it really is a scumtell. I mean obviously trolling is terrible for town, but on the other hand too many townies kept trolling in games I played so far, so lynching for trolling isn't the best way to find scum in my opinion. And you get no information. It's like lynching a lurker. 11 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 11:53 AM ET (US) I would even say a mayor should double lynch power use to remove the pardoner should the pardon ever be used. 10 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 11:52 AM ET (US) when it comes to the election if either of us gets it I think its key we lynch into the heavy suspect pool you and I and VE and I come up with. Currently a ton of things overlap so I think that is a good position given that 3 heads seeing similar information is far better than 1. Pardoner should never be used, period. Lynching for information is fine and the pardoner removes that information not just from the lynch but from potentially a days worth of talking. Any pardoner caught using the power should be instantly removed. 9 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 11:49 AM ET (US) I really really really don't like onegu atm. He didn't make a good impact upon entering the thread and imo concentrated on all the wrong things. as a note VE's strongest reads atm (mirrorish my own) Grack, storr, rayn risen. 8 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 11:12 AM ET (US) nope, i masoned him. 7 supersoft 11-15-2013 11:08 AM ET (US) That is interesting VE masoned you right? 6 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 11:06 AM ET (US) Jesus christ this link of shit is amazing. (masons that is) Given you and I both believe VE is active I will be upfront with this. He and I are also masoned this cycle. Anything said there or here will be brought over by me to the other chat to well, share information before one of us bites it provided you are fine with this. As i have told VE (note i am only on page 40 currently) my two strongest scum reads are storrzerg and grack. If i had to choose between the two of them I would likely opt to lynch grack over storr at this time. VE is a solid townread by me. He isn't playing neccesarily how I like but clearly pushing the way he normally plays. Yamato is yamato. I can't read him. As such for the time being I shall differ to your read for the purposes of day 1, however I won't support him ever being elected. I shall dump more in here as I read things. 5 supersoft 11-15-2013 08:37 AM ET (US) Artanis looks green to me, too ^_^ 4 supersoft 11-15-2013 07:50 AM ET (US) Lonemoew is mason, too he masoned yamato. He might be a scummason. Depending on their history. 3 supersoft 11-15-2013 06:08 AM ET (US) + I want to talk to you in private to figure out if you're town, and if I should support your mayoral campaign. + I want you to support me. I am townmason obviously and I really think i will be able to have a positive impact on this game when I survive n1+n2. The bulletprovevest can help me there. __________________________________ I also love to lynch for information, therefor, I am happy to take the pardonerpower and never use it. I'd also happily decide the first lynch. But since I know about myself that I am town, and I think i can establish my townieness pretty well, I think I don't need the lynch to prove myself. I'd rather give it to you and hope you lynch scum, so I can clear your name on my list. 2 supersoft 11-15-2013 06:04 AM ET (US) Hi BC. opinions so far: VE, town; Yamato town; mig suspicious. his first post is good, but i am wondering why he doesn't follow it up. Got to check his latest game again. Obviously this is just a feeling. I'd never lynch him for that. VE is extremely active. I think he's posting without thinking much and without checking his post before posting. this looks green to me. Yamato plays exactly like the last game i played with him and he was town. I got to check a scumgame of him and see if he's also extremely agressive then. Idk. I remember him as a good scumplayer so i guess i have to reevaluate that feeling. Other players: rayn attacks me for bullshit reasons, but he follows it up... He's 0 right now, but i think i will keep an eye on him In general I am watching the reactions to my initial entrance in the thread right now. I always like to see how people react, since I think that a scumplayer who knows that I am town, probably reacts different to a townplayer that doesnt know my alignment. I am not entirely sure what to expect from them though :D got to think about this, too. so far. Now why did I mason you: I think your first post is pretty standart, i expected that no matter what alignment you are. I like your following posts. Not the specific content, but rather the fact, that you stayed active and tried to direct the threadconversation. Okay. 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 05:37 AM ET (US) supersoft/BC mason day 1 and night 1 Ss/Pandain + Show Spoiler + marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 08:04 PM ET (US) CLOSED 50 supersoft 11-17-2013 07:59 PM ET (US) was nice chatting to you! cu in thread ^_^ 49 supersoft 11-17-2013 07:59 PM ET (US) my oats-case is extremely real! he needs to die! 48 supersoft 11-17-2013 09:20 AM ET (US) well, yes masoning BC is a good idea. Please do that. Also if you have another ability combined with your masonpower, please make sure to protect BC. 47 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:10 PM ET (US) In like 12 hours or so when I wake up:p 46 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:05 PM ET (US) I'm going to give you a scum analysis of storr that I've noticed can you critique it 45 Pandain 11-16-2013 10:26 PM ET (US) well idk do what you want. I think I'm going to push BH tomorrow 44 Pandain 11-16-2013 10:25 PM ET (US) if your a mason btw i would start a town circle with ve and yam. 43 Pandain 11-16-2013 09:24 PM ET (US) getting town read on sharrant he's playing like previous games 42 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:28 PM ET (US) Do you think I should mason BC tomorrow and if so what are your thoughts on his alignment and how should I approach him. 41 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:24 PM ET (US) what if everyone is a mason lol you are too 40 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:13 PM ET (US) Have you played with Mocsta before? 39 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:12 PM ET (US) Wasn't that sure on Skanjabs but happy I was right. I would say definitely not three masons but the problem is that I have two roles so I can very easily conceive others having multiple roles. And Lone seems town to me 38 supersoft 11-16-2013 08:12 PM ET (US) ah yes, btw. that was a typical VEs move. That's why i didnt want him in the office. He wasted 10 minutes of time and he didnt discuss his choice. 37 supersoft 11-16-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Gj, so far. The thread looks good right now. We cannot let a paranoia last minute voteswitch happen. I've seen these things far too often and it's never good. We need to settle on VE and myself. 36 Pandain 11-16-2013 06:52 PM ET (US) Oops Basically I don't know I have too many thoughts vote who you want 35 Pandain 11-16-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) Idk do 34 Pandain 11-16-2013 06:45 PM ET (US) Without the tracker thing I say lynch Vayne or sharrant. 33 Pandain 11-16-2013 05:35 PM ET (US) I would lynch Vayne or Rayne. You can also lynch mig if you want but I'm far less confident on him then you are. 32 supersoft 11-16-2013 05:26 PM ET (US) hmm hmm this is difficult.. i am very tired tbh... i think i'll take a nap for about 90 minutes and come back later... you might be right, depending on how accurate my "list" is, voting me could be alignment indicative. I just hope Yamato doesnt get into office ._. 31 Pandain 11-16-2013 05:16 PM ET (US) Anyone who votes you is a town tell to be honest. Unless you're totally wrong of course. 30 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:56 PM ET (US) lynch liars unless they can have a benefit, BH's wouldn't for town. BH is a liar or he's awful 29 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:54 PM ET (US) why then I dont see how unless BH just did a really piss poor play which I wouldn't think he would with a tracker claim 28 supersoft 11-16-2013 03:45 PM ET (US) you might be overthinking this topic :-P 27 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:42 PM ET (US) is my reasoning actually bad im pretty confident or thought i was 26 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:12 PM ET (US) I heavily think Rayn is scum. I also think BH is scum, since he didn't admit he was retarded if he was tracker claiming tracker that means he supposedly thought about it beforehand. That's like cop claiming, you don't do it. His role is pretty important why claim tracker. If he's not, that invites actual trackers to claim. Don't like 25 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:06 PM ET (US) Btw since your town I'm also a veteran 24 supersoft 11-16-2013 02:56 PM ET (US) there is no new light. Both of them are useless trolls. Rayn even wants to lynch me. That idiot has no idea what he's doing. I tried to get something useful out of rayn, when i wanted him to analyze kosh. He proved himself as completely useless back then and that is still the case. Regarding BH i found something very interesting, i shared it in the thread! 23 Pandain 11-16-2013 02:22 PM ET (US) What do you think of Rayn and BH with new light. I think I'll vote you though who will you lynch as of now 22 supersoft 11-16-2013 01:57 PM ET (US) pandain, you fail to vote me. I am disappointed! 21 supersoft 11-16-2013 11:45 AM ET (US) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 look what VE did lategame. He did nothing. He got manipulated and almost modkilled. You don't want him to be mayor. period. 20 supersoft 11-16-2013 11:41 AM ET (US) BH is probably scum... mig is scum, too. coag is also one of my scumreads. Yamato isn't scum, you're right there, but he's no player you want to see in office. The day yamato gets elected into office over me, is the day I quit playing mafia. If marv, syllo, sandro, wbg, palmar or toad or anyone reasonable would be in this game, besides BC and mig (he's scum though) a Yamato mayor could NEVER happen. it blows my mind, that people consider voting for him. Same applys to a lesser degree on VE. Yes he's town, so what? VE is writing everything down he's thinking as town, therefor he's easy to read. But he doesn't kill scum by that. wait a second, I'll show you a game where I was scum and VE was town and I played him like a fiddle. 19 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:15 AM ET (US) What do you think about bh 18 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:11 AM ET (US) Not scummy but bad 17 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:11 AM ET (US) Actually yams recent post was pretty bad 16 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:09 AM ET (US) Btw the above paranoia and such thing was a joke 15 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:09 AM ET (US) I already trust you I didn't mason you to find out if your town. I think Yamato is really clearly town however. I also think he's not a dick as mayor which wouldn't relate to your scum hunting abilities. I think hopeless and Rayn are good scum possibilities. The only thing holding me back from scum mig is I would've thought he would play better as scum if he were scum. Is that a wrong way to approach him? 14 supers 11-16-2013 11:01 AM ET (US) i dont play the game for you. decide if you trust me or not research me. I get shot almost every game at n1. if i survive i do horrible things to scumteams. i need you to trust me on some things otherwise this QT is useless. if you don't help me, you're pushing a scumagenda. i dont want to cuddle with you around. i want that you see that i am town, even though you want to believe i am scum, because you dont like me. BC trusts me and he's undesputable an experienced and smart player. VE trusts me, too. 13 Pandain 11-16-2013 09:57 AM ET (US) I feel like I'm not finding out much from you. Who do you think is town? 12 Pandain 11-16-2013 09:39 AM ET (US) I'm noting paranoia, unwillingness to work with others, 11 supers 11-16-2013 09:11 AM ET (US) lol you're scum. this conversation ends here. 10 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:58 AM ET (US) To clarify I think your claims are unwarranted he would be mayor in a game of mafia not a king of a nation. I don't believe he is paranoid( without reason), maybe selfish but I couldn't say, and he can be convinced like anyone else. You yourself could be said to have the characteristics you see in him 9 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:51 AM ET (US) I'm not going to Unvote him for those reasons and why do you think BC is town. 8 supers 11-16-2013 08:36 AM ET (US) vote BC or me. It's important now. I am probably going to slaughter mig. Got to discuss that with BC first. 7 supers 11-16-2013 08:32 AM ET (US) you need to unvote him. Yamato in office is a worst case scenario for us. he is selfish, paranoid and no teamplayer. We cannot let this happen. 6 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:27 AM ET (US) Hi I'm going to be away from my desktop for like 12 hours. I think yam is town, he's been active throughout and I like his points. Also what I said about us having probably similar thoughts in this game if he's town is true. Idk about mig I gave you all my reads. Do you agree on aka jabs. I confused him a bit with spaghetticus 5 supers 11-16-2013 03:08 AM ET (US) omg you need to unvote yamato right now -_- 4 supers 11-16-2013 03:03 AM ET (US) what do you think about mig? who do you think should get elected? 3 supersoft 11-16-2013 01:29 AM ET (US) hi, I'll be here in about 6 hours. See you. 2 Pandain 11-15-2013 08:36 PM ET (US) Town: yam/ve/Mocsta/Skanjabs/Austin(less sure)/LoneMeow(masoned Yamato, lol scum isn't going to do that),Spaghettic(maybe, nothing to lend me as scum though he's not certain town. I like his post which while listy it was SO comprehensive so that made me think it's serious effort. At least not lynchable for this day, probably next) Hopeless/Storr best scum reads. Storr is so playing newbie card it actually hurts. I hate how much he is appealing to it. And yet he's running for mayor what? Think BC is suspicious tbh but it's mainly that he's not focusing his scumreads and his reads were really bad and I do have a high opinion of his reads. 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On November 21 2013 11:11 Holyflare wrote: Pandain 11-16-2013 03:06 PM ET (US) Btw since your town I'm also a veteran lolololol another vet and he calls supersoft town all in one go, slam dunk bro! scumteam is somewhere in this group: Oatsmaster, Pandain, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, (hiro) thrawn2112 | ||
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On November 21 2013 11:13 Holyflare wrote: also I hate you for not formatting those qt's SS yeah sorry, i started to format them, but it took me too long :-( | ||
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On November 21 2013 11:14 Holyflare wrote: Now you know the effort I put into my post! T_T indeed! here is another one :-) + Show Spoiler + supersoft 11-19-2013 08:13 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE wp really. But i don't remember, why i abandoned the idea that you're assassin :-D GG man 62 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 08:03 PM ET (US) gg friend. 61 supersoft 11-19-2013 07:21 PM ET (US) dunno i didnt really understand that part. 60 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) How do you say "He's unreadable" and then immediately say "I'm 100% sure he's going to flip red"? 59 supersoft 11-19-2013 07:07 PM ET (US) his reads yesterday: I am going to have to take a step back from my tunneling ive been doing. I realize I am tunneling like I did against yamato only this time with grack -_- As a note I strongly disagree with your pandain read. I also can see mig based off today potentially being town. I don't like his lack of participation in thread but he is actively updating his reads on his spreadsheet and when he posted today he was making sense as much as it pisses me off to admit. Id place my reads more like Town Koshi VE You Me Artanis OOHchild Pandain Null Grack Mig Thrawn Rayn Lonemeow Scum Hopeless BH Leaning scum Oats Holyflare __________________ i think he might have changed a few things lately. 58 supersoft 11-19-2013 07:06 PM ET (US) he was a little afraid at the time: Honestly. The only person anyone is likely going to agree to lynch today is me if not BH. Im moderately selfish in the fact that well, I'd like to live. BH is unreadable. I am 100% certain hes going to flip red. Id rather take the "safe" lynch to ensure mafia kp dropping. If we attempt to swamp it now so close to deadline im likely dying. If BH somehow flips green we know almost for sure grack is mafia. If he flips assassin then it removes him and 1 other player lowering our pool of players instantly by 2. Having a smaller pool to analyze and use the double lynch tommorrow to me is the safest and smartest play. 57 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 06:43 PM ET (US) What has BC said about Oats in your chats with him? Because he seemed to lightly agree that he looked bad but everything he says is about someone different - which I'm fine with to a point, but in the context of THIS lynch, it seems like he should be more interested in consolidating onto someone rather than bring up candidates no one is talking about... 56 supersoft 11-19-2013 06:38 PM ET (US) yes exactly, ah i love to talk to people who actually try to understand what i am saying. I know i am sometimes not really on spot with my phrasing... Thats one of my weakpoints when playing mafia :D And exactly what i want to train for RL. I mean you need to speak almost flawless english these days... (Offtopic) 55 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 06:32 PM ET (US) Yeah no, that makes total sense and is why initially I was with you on Oats in the first place. And his reaction imo to both of us targetting him was pretty telling imo. But yeah, with BH claiming everything under the sun and just fucking off what are we supposed to do? If he's town he's fucked us over and if he's scum he's like forcing us to lynch him pretty much. 54 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 06:30 PM ET (US) Ah okay, and making Oats a candidate would have forced them to say something. Yeah that makes sense. 53 supersoft 11-19-2013 06:24 PM ET (US) ah now i understand - let me rephrase: There are people defending oats. I don't know what they really think, because they actually dont give any reasons for their reads 52 supersoft 11-19-2013 06:23 PM ET (US) ah no of course not. 51 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 06:21 PM ET (US) Like what if we're wrong about BC and he's actually scum. Does that make either one of us scum? For thinking he's town? 50 supersoft 11-19-2013 06:14 PM ET (US) what? 49 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 06:10 PM ET (US) That doesn't mean anything - thinking scum is town doesn't make someone scum SS. Are you scum? 48 supersoft 11-19-2013 06:05 PM ET (US) nono, there are few people that think that oats is town 47 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 05:59 PM ET (US) I see no difference between the two. No one is defending Oats either because BH is a factor everyone just wants to kill BH. There's literally no difference between killing BH and Oats in terms of information gained this cycle. 46 supersoft 11-19-2013 05:44 PM ET (US) just discussed that with BC: BH, I think he's unreadable. I think he might be scum, but I think it is better to lynch him with the doublelynch. I mean there is almost no discussion about this lynch. Everyone is like yeah BH might be scum. If he flips green or assassin we got no further information for out doublelynch. I prefer Oats today and BH tomorrow. Oats gives us information, so we can find a partner for BH much easier. + ScumKP won't go down in case we hit red today. They stay the same. 45 supersoft 11-19-2013 04:31 PM ET (US) i mean i try to look like i am trying. I hope he wakes up from this madness 44 supersoft 11-19-2013 04:28 PM ET (US) I try to get rayn lynched. I think we cannot win if he stays alive. I am 100% sure, that almost noone follows this thread anymore. He's discussing townreads for millions of pages, this is just insane. 43 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 12:31 PM ET (US) K... 42 Supers 11-19-2013 04:29 AM ET (US) nono pandain masoned BC because i told him so. BC and I are still masoned. He masoned me and I masoned you. And BC masoning you wasn't strange, because he and I never worked together in any mafia game before... I usually got him lynched ^_^ 41 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 10:25 PM ET (US) For the record, I knew ever since BC masoned me first instead of you. <3 40 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 10:24 PM ET (US) Oh so this was PLANNED. So you and BC are scum TOGETHER and this was all PLANNED. Okay, thanks super! ^^ 39 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 10:03 PM ET (US) I was under the impression that there was a mason circle. With the circle broken there's no reason for me to keep it a secret any longer. 38 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 10:03 PM ET (US) Yes obviously. You don't find it weird that he didn't mason you? You know, keep the circle going? 37 Supers 11-18-2013 09:58 PM ET (US) bc and pandain are masoned ^^ 36 Supers 11-18-2013 09:17 PM ET (US) he's scum and now he's trying to confuse us and he's trying to get some mercy! 35 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 09:12 PM ET (US) Fucking Oats dude. Like he doesn't even read. He doesn't care and he doesn't read and he could be any fucking alignment at all, there's no way of knowing. That's not playing Mafia, that's being an annoying little shit and ruining the game for everyone. 34 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 08:58 PM ET (US) Was it so potent it assailed your dreams causing you to have nightmares? 33 Supers 11-18-2013 08:57 PM ET (US) lol. i woke up from the bullshit oatsmaster posted :D 32 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 08:03 PM ET (US) The alternative is that BH really is an Assassin, claimed to the wrong guy, played an exceptionally bad game, and then got outted at the most inopportune time possible for him (when the mayor and pardoner come out of the woodwork and both agree on a target that was NOT him) So you either think that the above is true, or you think that BH is either town or scum and fake-claimed two town powerroles and Assassin. I admit that either conclusion is hard to swallow - but I think the former is more likely, assuming BH is scum. I don't think a town BH would confound town like this. 31 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) Later dude. His claim makes him scum basically, not third party. 30 Supers 11-18-2013 07:36 PM ET (US) lol now i am confused -_- i am going to sleep now ^_^ cu tomorrow 29 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 07:27 PM ET (US) omg classic BH. We should probably just lynch it man. XD 28 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 07:22 PM ET (US) Ooooh watch what happens when I do this. 27 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 07:20 PM ET (US) Oh - Ya I don't know. I actually think BH might be an assassin, but I have /no/ idea what Coag is. He keeps saying he thinks it's weird how no one suspects him because of him not doing anything. Instead of...you know...doing something. It's really weird, and I'm not sure how to take it. 26 Supers 11-18-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) dunno... i think it's somehow fitting. I didn't think too much about it :D 25 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 07:16 PM ET (US) Problem solved. What makes you think Coag is an assassin? 24 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 07:16 PM ET (US) LMAO 23 Supers 11-18-2013 07:15 PM ET (US) thread ^_^ 22 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 07:14 PM ET (US) TELL ME! 21 Supers 11-18-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) i have an Idea! 20 Supers 11-18-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) true. Marv is the kind of guy who makes coagulation and BH assassins :D 19 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 07:10 PM ET (US) It's just this game though, that's what gets me. It's /just/ this game where I'm having a hard time reading him. Generally I can at least say whether I think he's town or scum, but this game for some reason I'm having a hard time saying one way or the other. He's not playing like he has extra information, but he's not playing like he gives a shit about town winning either. Maybe he actually /is/ an assassin. 18 Supers 11-18-2013 07:00 PM ET (US) true... i can't read anything out of what BH produces. He could be anything... I remember the days when we expected Kurumi to be unreadable... What people do lately makes Kurumi look like the paragon of serious play :-( 17 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 06:52 PM ET (US) Or I guess 49/49 or whatever because Assassins XD 16 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) For my part I'd say about 50/50. I like Oats for scum though. 15 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) Yeah I'm feelin that. FEELIN IT BRO. What do you think the chances of hitting scum lynching BH are? 14 Supers 11-18-2013 06:45 PM ET (US) more scum btw: pandain and mig. townies: BC Grack rayn koshi VE artanis OOHCHILD Lonemoew VA 13 Supers 11-18-2013 06:44 PM ET (US) we talked about it, but he didn't try to influence me there. I picked my target and told him after the deadline to make sure, if he's scum, he cannot change anything. But all in all, i am confident he's town. 12 Supers 11-18-2013 06:42 PM ET (US) because i think that BC is town, and we have a towncircle. Scum doesnt know that BC/you/me are connected. If they know, they might suicide on me and we're all dead. suicidebomber goes through my vest, your vest and obviously BC. :-o And it's more fun to look at peoples reactions, when we stick together like glue. And i can claim my RBings to you and if I die, you know who I blocked and you can use the information. And I don't have to claim my RBs in the thread. 11 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 06:40 PM ET (US) No did you discuss all that with him? 10 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 06:39 PM ET (US) I'm struggling with keeping my mason information from town though - explain to me why I need to not explain to town who is masoning me right now. 9 Supers 11-18-2013 06:39 PM ET (US) did he tell you about the RBing stuff? 8 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 06:37 PM ET (US) Ya no I don't wanna lynch BC yet - I just wanted to see your gut reaction when I said that. My impression is town from my PMs with him, but understand that /I/ understand that BC is extraordinarily skilled in PMs and I'm giving that little weight. From what I've seen in the thread, I'm saying I think he's town. 7 Supers 11-18-2013 06:36 PM ET (US) is trust you btw :D 6 Supers 11-18-2013 06:36 PM ET (US) i need to know who shot mocsta and i want to know if scum shot sharrant or a vig/assassin. Because I am townroleblocker and I blocked Oats. Would be fantastic if one KP misses, because then Oats would be confirmed scum. However oats didn't necessarily carry a scumKP. 5 Supers 11-18-2013 06:35 PM ET (US) no nvm i didnt tell him to. I just told him that he should convince you to vote for me 4 Supers 11-18-2013 06:34 PM ET (US) what? i told him to tell you my role! 3 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 06:33 PM ET (US) He didn't. Give me a sec to go reread it but I may MAY be willing to lynch BC. 2 Supers 11-18-2013 06:32 PM ET (US) finally my QT arrives... I wanted to go to sleep! So now let's talk about BC, what's your impression. What did he tell you about me. Did he tell you my role? 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On November 21 2013 11:17 austinmcc wrote: Real post? Cuz there are 5 scum left. And you say that the scumteam is somewhere within these 5 people. And I kinda shake my head a little and wonder why you clamor so hard for a vest. yeah. scumteam is these 5 people. so what? | ||
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On November 21 2013 11:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here. Veteran-doctor-Mason Pandain i thought he meant Vet like Forumveteran rofl | ||
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On November 21 2013 11:24 austinmcc wrote: It may be a native/non-native thing, unsure. Saying "somewhere in this group" implies that...you have a group of people and you think the scum is scattered in there somewhere. Like, here are 8 names, the 5 scum are in here somewhere in this group. But giving a list of 5 names when we have 5 scum left is just "here are all the scum." They're not SOMEWHERE IN that group, that group would be your scumteam. ah shit, and i forgot LM :D sorry i am pretty tired actually. Don't get confused and try to lynch me for these errors at 3:26 am. ... things changed quite a bit since my last real appearances in TLmafia :-/ | ||
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On November 21 2013 12:27 Risen wrote: ##unvote: Pandain ##vote: supersoft I was unaware of that HF. so in your world, pandain and I spntaniously faked these logs? | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: And if SS is town then Oats is probably scum, yeah? Because dat roleblock obviously hit mafia KP and it wasn't a gosudoc/double stack. yeah ofc lynch the possible RBer first and then the one who was blocked. makes sense, since the KP actually misses and noone counterclaims | ||
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HEY SHERLOCK! TAHT MUST HAVE BEEN A SCUMSLIP NO? GO VOTE ME FOR THAT SHIT! EVERYONE VOTE ME PLEASE, I ____BLOCKED_____ 1 SCUMKP. there is no other explanation right now. I blocked Oats and he is scum. I wrote a case about him. | ||
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On November 22 2013 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote: This is my point about how the game is in a shit state. SS of all people is clinging for dear life to the fact that Oats must be scum because he knows he blocked scum kp with his roleblock. What the fuck is that shit? SS can die too. p.s. Oats I'm sorry. i am not clinging for dear life you stuck-up ape. you are scum with Oats. | ||
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On November 22 2013 00:53 Hopeless1der wrote: His case is fucking trash and I'm sorry I ever considered Oats might be scum. Please point out my errors. Man you new guys, your way of finding scum is just random I don't even know why some people are voting me. They have no reason to vote me. They just say: Oh man SS could be scum... or BC... no i am voting SS man! Yolo | ||
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On November 22 2013 03:37 Koshi wrote: Towny town: leaning town: VA, austin, Holyflare, supersoft, Mig, Grack, leaning scum: Thrawn, Oats, rayn, Onegu, LoneMeow, Alakaslam, Risen, Coagulation, Hopeless1der, Pandain, Mr. Cheesecake Scummy scum: BloodyC0bbler That's were I am with what I have. People will move up down after todays lynch. dude, isnt your vote still on me? | ||
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On November 22 2013 03:57 Grackaroni wrote: oh god I have absolutely no clue what he is doing lol. He gave no reason for his vote change. If you ask him about it he will just tell you that not giving reasons for votes is a townie trait. I think it fits his town meta more to be honest. Why. Give me examples. Explain this to me! How does this whole game of Oats fit anyones townmeta. He is only destructive. contradicts himself, votes badly. Please tell me | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:45 Coagulation wrote: if your town why would you shift town focus in the wrong direction like that and at the same time risk a mis lynch? why would he do it as scum? | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:11 Risen wrote: Would rather lynch supersoft or Austin over grack but I'm lynching grack on policy not read. On November 21 2013 10:28 Risen wrote: Super is probably scum so... On November 21 2013 12:47 Risen wrote: Some things happened during N1. Namely SS logs not being posted immediately when asked to. Spontaneously would mean you saw the question and immediately posted them. Which did not happen. this is your case, right? I posted the MasonQTs too late. Nice catch, sherlock | ||
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On November 22 2013 06:46 supersoft wrote: this is your case, right? I posted the MasonQTs too late. Nice catch, sherlock btw. Your game right now, compared to a former game of yours: now: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Risen&view=all then: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047&user=Risen&view=all this is the most ridiculous metachange in the history of this game. Oatsmaster Risen thrawn Coagulation and Risen makes look BC bad. Somewhere in our masonchat we talked about you, Risen. | ||
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On November 22 2013 06:56 Koshi wrote: I like those 4 names. hmm yes. I am pretty confident about Oats and Risen. Thrawn needs a second look, but looks extremely suspicious just based on the thread and a quick filtering. I really need to dive into my PMs and in our former games. I have a few notices about thrawn in my past i will get to use now :D My Coag read is purely based on his meta, since his Filter is completely empty. He's useless and as scum he's always useless. As town he's has his moments. "TL Mafia LXIII: Time to scroll..." this guys is actually pretty funny. beside that his filter is pretty empty. could be blue or scum. scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...oagulation&view=all towngame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...oagulation&view=all some larger posts in the towngame unlike our current game. Meta suggests scum. content is nonexistant. BC needs a really, really close look now. I didnt have the time for him. To figure him out is a project. I wouldnt kill him right now. Based on gamebalance he should be scum, since I and Mig are town. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:08 BC wrote: Of that post I still strongly suggest grack or storr. I know i've more or less sank my teeth into them and won't let go but since gracks reappearance from what ive seen in the last few hours hes done nothing to really prove hes town aligned. He could be an assassin, or mafia but no way in hell is he town. Storr as much as I suspect has given me enough to not want him dead currently but it all comes down to his reappearance. kush is kush. I like offing him purely on principle but I don't think hes particularly bad so far this game. I can see his hesitance for voting for me purely on previous games together. Hiro, coag and hopeless are all lurkers. They are all safe lynches. They may flip red they might not, but they are safe in the sense they aren't contributing much and what they have hasnt been particularly useful or good. Risen I am currently unsure of. Hes had both good and bad posts. _____________________________________________________________________________ these are a lot of IFs, but if my list is correct about 3/4, he defends scum and if my townread on Grack is correct, he proposes a townlynch. lot of ifs but still _____________________________________________________________________________ earlier: On November 17 2013 05:08 BC wrote: I really really really don't like onegu atm. He didn't make a good impact upon entering the thread and imo concentrated on all the wrong things. as a note VE's strongest reads atm (mirrorish my own) Grack, storr, rayn risen. On November 17 2013 05:08 BC wrote: risens vote confuses me to be sure, but ill take it. + Show Spoiler + I kinda like that idea. Its kinda a good way to gauge someone that id never thought of | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:24 Holyflare wrote: I also want to know who you rb'd the following days after oats, if you thought oats was delivering the nk why didn't you block him over and over again?? they can decide who delivers the kill and i blocked Mattchew like i claimed. And i confused Austinmcc with Slam, sorry. Their places need to be switched. I made the list in here and didn't copy paste it from elsewhere. | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:30 austinmcc wrote: Who here is active and thinks BC is town? I want to maek chat. i am at least unsure. does that count? what is a maek chat... | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:32 austinmcc wrote: maek = make. Sorry. Stupid accents don't come out well in text. You are mainly unsure about BC because of your D1 mason chat, yes? not only this. I have a history with BC and I always think he's scum. And well, i can understand most things he's saying, even if i disagree with him. I don't understand many things other players do, like Risen. Risen plays completely absurd in my eyes. Oatsmaster, too. I just don't buy it. Hell yes BC had this moments when I thought, was that really honest: VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined. However he follows that up nicely. Rules out Oats, has thrawn as scum, well: On November 17 2013 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: read time Grackeroni I have already harped on this guy. nothing has changed, at all. He hasn't posted anything groundbreaking, he hasn't attempted to really help the town in any way. Given that he has shown no compulsion to help even after being called out, I see no reason to think hes town. Storrzerg My read here has altered slightly in that I still think hes red, but he could end up being town. I am moving him to a null read given that if he keeps posting like he has been I am willing to say my initial read was wrong Hiro He has 0 content to his posts, insanely inactive, and i know hes capable of doing more than he is. Its possible hes just busy, but ive seen the guy lurk as red before and skate by on minimum posting standards as such I am keeping him to red until he proves otherwise Blazinghand The guy is fucking retarded. He is inactive for 24 hours, busts out with a shitty campaign post spouting horseshit, says hes gonna catch up and post then proceeds to have spotty play. He doesn't post any reads, he still defends bad play, he even then when called on it and sees his name up for a possible lynch claims tracker with the worst possible bread crumb in the world. He has done nothing useful whatsoever. I expect far more out of him than what he has given. I do think at this point barring weird fucking circumstances i can confidently say Supersoft, VE are town, yamato and artanis i have strong leanings on being town. I do buy this post: On November 20 2013 07:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus fucking christ. I come home from work, after attempting to clear myself of tunnel vision and instead of finding a thread filled with happy bunnies and butterfly style of posting I get retardation at its finest. Seriously. What the fuck happened in the last few years that made people who trolled, actively played against win cons, etc... that this is considered town play and also acceptable play? Jesus. Mattchew has done fucking nothing all game but spout bullshit and vanish into the mists. Is he being discussed for it no? Why the fuck would you, people who've been playing the game for years are allowed to do retarded shit and be ignored. Holyflare has also done nothing fucking all game. He is harrassed for ages about not doing shit all then makes a giant post on 3 people under huge suspicion. He then goes to vote for one who apparently wasn't his top scum pick. He actively says so. Since when is lurking, only posting when pushes/analyzed, posting analysis on 3 top targets of the day, and then NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUM READ FUCKING TOWN PLAY. That fucking logic? A guy is caught in thread, LYING ACTIVELY, trolls for days, actively doesn't help and rather than realize that scum would go "fuck this guy". BH is a Vet player. If he was town he'd have at least done something. Dropped analysis, dropped a bombshell of something to try and save himself. Is he doing that? No he gave up. But don't worry. Scum would actively not bus a teammate who got caught out completely in thread just to spare themselves 1 kp. Dont worry guys, Holyfaggot has figured the game out! Dear fucking god people. Hopeless1nder. Why has no one really talked about him? The guy fucking does what? Nothing? Ever? Wanders into the thread, a wild hopeless1nder appears. He uses dickall and peace. Its apparently super effective. Why? Because hes being ignored completely, not posting shit all, and skating by for it. However its not like I can blame you fucks for it because we have people who are allowed to troll/spam/be utterly useless pieces of trash cluttering the thread. Grackerfuckingroni. You know what. Im not going to bother to make a case on this fucker. Hes scum. If any of you can name 5 fucking things hes done all game that have helped this town then Ill change that view. Seriously. Find me 5 points where he helps. The guy since being "confirmed town" has done absolutely dick fuck to help anyone. He has actively said hes not going to stop trolling ie hes going to continue being an unhelpful piece of trash. Hey though, TL towns know that being a town member is about being retardedly bad so its ok! Pandain. Go fuck yourself. You are actively viewing me as scum for the most bullshit logic I've ever heard. If you don't realize the reasons you were told what you were was specifically because of my read of you then your fucking stupid. Seriously. Alakslam doesnt contribute really anything. He doesn't justify his current vote at all, hell his vote swap went completely unnoticed. Hey its ok tho, the guy doesn't do shit all game but hug peoples coattails anyway. Im glad this shit is acceptable because thats how you get solid reads on people right? Let them not do shit at all and be ignored. Yep, good glad im learning something. How about Risen? Whats he done lately other than to appear and jump onto a bandwagon, what did he do at all actually? Nothing, got yea. Im glad to see this shit is fine. The only players in this game not playing like complete garbage are SS, Rayn, arguably VE and maybe artanis. There are a few trying at least to not play like garbage. Myself in that list. However given the entire clusterfuck of this thread and how retarded virtually everyone is being, the entire scum team is likely on that list of people I just mentioned. You know why? Because town is so bloody unorganized and we currently have people trying to swap people OFF OF A CONFIRMED LIAR WHOS DONE NOTHING BEFORE OR SINCE TO A) JUSTIFY HIS REASONS FOR IT OR B) ATTEMPTING TO PROVE HIMSELF NOW. Seriously? What motivation is there for any player to take someone they have 100% certainty is fucking scum, and goes "lets lynch someone else" Jesus, i know ive played like ass this game, but the level of retardation going on is just fucking ridiculous. little contradiction in my eyes, Rayn killed the thread, and BC calls him playing decent. well All in all. ahhhh i need to read more and i need to read back into our former games. | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:37 austinmcc wrote: EBWOP: You should have been RBed or oats should not have delivered a kill. yes exactly! that's why i think BC is either town, or they have no RBer! | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:00 austinmcc wrote: Ya. But it's public info that artanis claimed he was going to shoot BC and got RBed (i guess technically if both BC and I are mafia together then artanis could have been RBed for claiming BC and then I got saved by that AND am faking vet?). BC has made some persuasive posts for people today. But I want to see how they feel when EVERYTHING is on the table. People keep picking and choosing bits and pieces of what someone has done, and it needs to stop. There seems to be a lot of (relative) short term memory loss, where people are making reads based off of what JUST happened and what someone JUST posted. We got NKs, we got claimed actions, we got DAYS of posting. As I said, I need more time for BC. How do you like my list and my short-form-cases on thrawn, coag, risen? - cant sleep - | ||
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I totally agree with BC what he says about the game. I feel this too and I am town. As scum I'd be angry, too. because of this randomness in here, but not so much. I really buy that BC is frustrated, since i am frustrated, too. It is exactly like he described it. You come here in the thread, you post a case or a piece of analysis and the threads reaction is: "LOL this is trash man, he always plays like this" "completely normal Oats man, he always trolls and keeps switching reads for no reason" "supersoft definetely scum!" And i am sitting in front of my computer and i am just wondering, if I am playing with 16 year olds. It's okay to provoke, i mean roleplay is part of the game, like i said earlier. But this just never ends. All in all I think BC is town based on his reactions here. I have different reads, but i need to check his reads first, grack is town to me. I mean it's sad, yes, but that is actually his towngame. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:19 Mig wrote: Super do you get the feeling that BC is actually trying to figure anything out? I see him tunnel me I see him tunnel Grack. I don't see any actual search for information or changing reads whatsoever. No but I always have this feeling about him, in every game i play with him. I always think that he analyzes strange things and i see the game from a different perspective. I am always suspicious of him and in the end he somehow gets scum killed and it's completely unexpected for me I am not completely confident in my reads right now. We have 1 redflip and that's it. My technic to find scum doesnt necessarily catch them all. Some slip through my net. I have the impression, that BC might be the one who catches these guys. I really need to reread some of out former games. This is too much blabla from me. But I am not sure about him. You and BC could both be town. I don't know yet. I find it hard to believe, that BC fakes all this. BC you need to explain me that mig-read you have once again. Are we still masoned? | ||
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I could imagine me doing it. I am really afraid that BC is playing me like a fiddle right now :D | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:34 supersoft wrote: on the other hand, man BC could be good enough to do this :D I could imagine me doing it. I am really afraid that BC is playing me like a fiddle right now :D I wanna be sure. I wanna see other flips before i get back to BC seriously. I highly doubt that anyone of you has a clean scumread on BC and if he has, he's either dumb and he really hasnt or he misses some things. He's on the edge. and btw. if this is his scumplay, it was sadly more helpful for the town, than most peoples townplay in here. Honestly. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: How do you feel about supersoft saying nothing about this all in thread and refusing to post the mason logs? just on a sidenote: I immediately posted them when mig asked me to post them. I didnt even consider posting them when you asked me to. | ||
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On November 20 2013 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well first of all, fuck the plan. It would have been so good but it's not allowed. I was planning on using the double lynch to lynch supersoft/supersoft so we could have passed the pardoner protection from the lynch but that's not possible to vote for the same person for both of the lynches. Anyways, here i presesent to you supersoft the mafia pardoner: This is supersoft's to lynch -list near end of D1: Grackaroni, Coagulation, Hopeless, Storrzerg, Hiro/thrawn, Risen, kushmasta, Pandain, and Mig (he corrected in the next post Mig is not a townread but strong scumread). Next thing he does is he starts asking people to give +/- on those people. Some people answer, mainly Grackaroni. After some time supersoft says Pandain looks a bit better and he does want to give Mig another day, does not comment on any other of his candidates. So if we take out Pandain, the list looks like this: Grackaroni, Coagulation, Hopeless, Storrzerg, Hiro/thrawn, Risen and kushmasta. Then this piece of conversation happens: Does this sound legit to you? Grackaroni, one of supersoft's lynch targets tells him Mocsta is the best lynch according to Artanis' case. supersoft does not read Artanis' case, he has admitted that later on. He just says "okay i read my top scumreads target's filter, the target is btw someone who wasn't on my lynch list earlier, and i will not even look at the ready case there is, but don't worry, i read the filter, np ezpz there still 13 minutes to the lynch". Notice that here is also when austin suddenly makes a voteswitch onto VE like Vayne pointed out. Then here is what happens next: 8 minutes before the lynch, has another target still, wants to look into Mocsta and Mattchew (who was not on the initial list aswell). Does he even read these filters because he has time to find new target compared to Mocsta all the time. I don't believe he is even reading Mocsta's filter because he just keeps on posting new targets instead of reading. Here he says he'd kill Mocsta. But notice the underlined. This is already backpedalling! Then the time is up and VE is the mayor. Pandain says he has a townread on Mocsta. Another move that seems like backpedalling. Notice that Pandain is also a person that supersoft at least does not think is town because a while ago he was his scumread, yet he says "hey gimme some townie points on Mocsta". This comment screams insecureness and fear. "Do i really need to decide the lynch if VE does not come back.. fuuuccckkkk". Also notice that supersoft is supposed to be rereading Mocsta's filter, yet he has time to post every other minute. Mocsta is his top scumread (apparently), yet he is not telling VE to lynch Mocsta in case he comes back. "OKAY I GUESS THAT'S A SOLID LYNCHCANDIDATE"?!?!!?!??! More like "phew.. i got out of this shitty situation". Fuck, Skanjabs is NOT even a scumread for supersoft. supersoft had 8 scumreads, Mocsta "#1", VE lynches outside his pool and it's a "solid lynchcandidate". WTF, ARE YOU OKAY WITH LYNCHING EVERYONE IN THIS GAME? This is fucking bullshit. And what does he tell VE later on: BUT HE WAS AN OKAY LYNCH WHEN VE KILLED HIM??? Of course he was a good lynch because supersoft didn't need to squirm out of Mocsta lynch!!! Now when Mocsta is under no pressure he was obviously a bad lynch and Mocsta was so much better! rofl. Then suddenly, OUT OF NOWHERE, this: Suddenly there is a big scumread on someone completely different from his lynch list. No filtering for his scumreds from D1, no Mocsta, apparently supersoft dropped all his scumreads from D1, even Mocsta who was totally scum, to find BAD OATSMASTER! resoning for Oatsmaster scumread is this: 1) Oats asks a lot of questions and posts many onliners and has no thoughts - that's what Oats always does, and he has had thoughts. 2) Oats has an assassin read on VE - guess fucking what VE was? So yeah, as a TLDR;
What has supersoft done after this and after N1:
So yeah, the only thing people can even remotely think supersoft is town is because he said "i guess i will lynch Mocsta". If someone is considered town because of one comment like that (which i have pointed out is fucking fishy in the first place) i might aswell give up this game. Everything else supersoft has done this game has been HELLA SCUMMY! Notice also that we are talking about a guy who is supposed to be a town leader. He's fucking vet who is considered really good at this game, yet he is plaing like absolute shit, and not only shit, but SCUMMY! Lynch supersoft the mafia pardoner on D3, let's burn his pardon down and lynch him again on D4. Also lynch austin as a second lynch on D3. Thank you for listening. this is actually not a good case. Nothing is scummy about my behaviour. I tried really hard to have a good lynchtarget day1. I reread the whole thread and of course i wasn't sure about my reads. It was day. Do you see my reaction in the QTs? Whatever. I guess you're just not smart enough for this game. It's okay. I won't talk to you again. You have one little bit of my play and you read something into it. You don't see the whole thing. My gameplan. You're not digging deep enough. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: But why is supersoft not here calling out Pandain for lying? lol. This is unbelieveable. There are like 10 people playing like complete shit. Voting completely randomly and not giving any reasons or reads and you focus me. nice. Your way of playing this game is just stupid. You don't go after the people who play protown primarily. If you have one scumflip in a huge game like this, you try to catch the bad scumplayers first. Don't focus on the big fishs like Mig, BC and myself. I am actually pushing several targets. If Oats, Risen and thrawn are town - okay lynch me. But as long as none of my scumreads flipped town, you cant seriously suggest to lynch me. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:52 Hopeless1der wrote: I...um...yes. ##Unvote: BC ##Vote: supersoft WHAT??? | ||
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I have clean town/scumreads and some i don't know just yet. Rofl. How dumb are you guys? like seriously? | ||
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Why would you lynch me before Oats? One MP is missing - if oats is scum, i am like confirmed town. If you lynch me now and I flip what I am, you have to lynch Oats anyway and you won't have the opportunity to get your Bulletprovevest-Mason-RBer back. Just saying. + I am easily top3 scumhunter in this game. But okay. Do what you have to do you paranoid idiots. | ||
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why would i want to lynch an idiot if i can lynch scum. | ||
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beautiful theory, has nothing to do with the thread. I believe you just went through the playerlist and copy pasted a few names together you thought might fit austin: ofc i didnt alter any logs. | ||
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I don't know his role btw. I thought he's just a mason. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:18 Risen wrote: A final note on SS's mindset in what he just said to me. It shows a very scum mindset from SS to expect me to have a concrete scum list to lynch into. The nature of being completely vanilla means I don't have outside information, so I have to give town general guidelines to work from. Scum has killed off just about everyone who had credibility or was willing to build cases. The people that are left seem to be easily led/don't care much about the game/have done really scummy things like troll, lie, be retarded. I feel like I've been prodded to put in a little more effort so lynch these people no matter what townies: Supersoft, Pandain, Holyflare. After that work through the list/see how the game has developed. Can't believe other townies and I are reading the same game. My scum reads on ss/pandain have literally nothing to do with their interaction with me. HF comes from the very distinct difference between his town play in WHC and his play here. I hate meta, but in this case I am simply pointing out that HF is willing to put in effort in WHC as town, but is not doing so here. He also doesn't mislead there and is very clearly town, here not so much. Aight, I'm out again. Last time. Promise. Maybe. that is just bullshit. You are a terrible mafiaplayer thats it. Scumnightkills are terribly bad so far. They only killed useless people. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:20 Risen wrote: ##unvote: Alakaslam ##unvote: Grackaroni ##vote: Supersoft ##vote: Pandain next time do that in the voting thread. Noone is interested in your horrible guesswork. You don't analyze, you just guess. Your meta shows that you can analyze. So don't bullshit me. You're just scum. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:21 supersoft wrote: next time do that in the voting thread. Noone is interested in your horrible guesswork. You don't analyze, you just guess. Your meta shows that you can analyze. So don't bullshit me. You're just scum. I am actually extremely close to call you town, because you're too bad to be scum... You're just so bad this game. You must be scum you try nothing. But you are so wrong, you cant have the scuminformation. | ||
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Oats thrawn risen these three are my options. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:43 Risen wrote: So... Oats b/c why again? (Not that I disagree) Thrawn because why again? (Not that I disagree) I understand you wanting to lynch me. I've been very vocal when I have posted about wanting you dead. i dont care what you post against me. I dont lynch because i dont agree with someone or i dont like someone. I lynch scum. I know you guys don't play like that... You lynch if someone doesn't post enough "<3" at the end of his sentences. I want to lynch you because your Meta says that you can play okayish and you analyze. You played terribly this game. You contradict yourself and it's obvious you don't invest too much time in this game. thats why i want to lynch you. thrawn doesnt play this game. And hiro looked like scum. Townthrawn is more vocal more agressive. I played with him and thats not his townplay. He was supereasy to read last time i played with him. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:46 Risen wrote: Makes sense to me. Any consideration for him withholding a KP to get oats lynched at a later point in time? I'm fine with not lynching super now. But that means Oats needs to go so we can lynch super after if Oats flips town. That's just the way it has to be. For now: ##unvote: supersoft Don't know how you're town. I think you're scum going for the 1 for 1. I'd be impressed by this bus, though not surprised. haha i am scum going for a 1 for 1? I am like under no pressure right now. Why would i do that as scum. What the fuck are you thinking. I am playing to win as town and as scum. As scum i'd just agree with all your terrible reads and discuss anything nonrelevant with you. | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:18 Coagulation wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275¤tpage=229#4574 YOU GUYS ARE BOTH ELBOWS AND ASSHOLES IN BULLSHIT. ? really don't get what you want from me. We talked about BHs tracker-claim... Pandain never claimed tracker to me?! | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:19 Grackaroni wrote: Does anyone have a case for Risen being scum? we had one, but risen somehow defends himself kind of convincingly... | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:21 austinmcc wrote: Read post 25 supersoft. Pandain claims veteran to you. He later tells the thread that DID NOT HAPPEN, that you altered the logs. You say you didn't alter the logs. 26 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:12 PM ET (US) I heavily think Rayn is scum. I also think BH is scum, since he didn't admit he was retarded if he was tracker claiming tracker that means he supposedly thought about it beforehand. That's like cop claiming, you don't do it. His role is pretty important why claim tracker. If he's not, that invites actual trackers to claim. Don't like 25 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:06 PM ET (US) Btw since your town I'm also a veteran no he doesnt claim anything. He says he's a veteranplayer and that's all. There is no fucking trackerclaim anywhere. He's talking about BHs trackerclaim?! WTF | ||
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This wasnt a claim in my eyes!!! and i never said that he's tracker | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:25 Coagulation wrote: HE CLAIMED VET. THE ROLE VET. BECAUSE IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOUR TOWN OR SCUM IF HES SAYING HES A VETERAN PLAYER JESUS WTF. HE SAID YOU DOCTORED THE LOGS. THAT RIGHT THERE IS FUCKING ABSOLUTE CONFIRMATION ONE OF YOU HAS LIED FOR FUCKS SAKE. what where did he say that. rofl i completely missed that | ||
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Just for your memory: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Oatsmaster&view=all this is his filter. There is absolutely nothing constructive. There is 0 analysis in it. This is my case still standing: On November 19 2013 07:18 supersoft wrote: I _still_ have an issue with Oatsmaster: + Show Spoiler + First piece of evidence: On November 15 2013 02:32 Oatsmaster wrote: BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes Mig Coagulation supersoft BlazingHand I see yamato. I see. Pregame. Ingame he votes Yamato for no good reason and doesn't partivipate at the discussion! Second piece of evidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Oatsmaster&view=all one million questions, no follow-ups. Only oneliners, no opinions on anything. Questions are mostly pointless. If he has no serious notes, he's scum Third piece of evidence: This line of posts seem extremely fake: On November 15 2013 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote: nah yeah I think VE is town. On November 16 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote: What super? How do you tell the difference between town and assassin? Also explain Mig being scum, Im thinking he is town now actually. On November 17 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: what the fuck VE. What the fuck. I dont think VE cares about lynching scum now. On November 17 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: WHICH MEANS HES THE ASSASISN Also at least 1 mason is scum, we should lynch into the mason pool and all the masons should claim tmr morning with their reads on mason buddies. WHAT? why does that mean he's assassin? Why doesn't that mean he's scum? Ah i know why. Because Oats slipped terribly. VE isn't scum and he knows that! Fourth piece of evidence http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432880&user=Oatsmaster¤tpage=2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Oatsmaster¤tpage=2 yeah. I think so, too http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432504&user=Oatsmaster huge difference: Posts with actual content in between the massive amount of oneliners. See for yourself guys. and this is a lie. Fifth piece of evidence: His defense: ad hominem more ad hominem. And most important: He doesnt try to explain each point individually. He just takes the weakest point of what I said about him - the oneliners - and says he does that every game. No explanation why he voted Yamato, No explanation why he thought VE was assassin and not scum. And finally, even his defense was a lie, since he doesnt play like this every game. And the final piece of the puzzle is that I blocked him n1 and the KP is missing ever since! GUYS OATSMASTER is scum! ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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PEOPLE TRUST ME ON THIS ONE!!! WOA I am fucking afraid. We're losing this game man! Why dont we just lynch Oats. If Oats is scum, BC likely isnt. And as second target we can kill Risen. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:26 austinmcc wrote: I like oats's D1 filter and do not want to vote him. I disagree with ss's case, and I think the only major thing against oats FOR ME is the missing KP. FUCK the day1 filter!!!! he has done nothing townish!!! NOTHING!!! HE IS SCUM!!! | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:25 Pandain wrote: Supersoft didn't put my real role in the thread. I don't know why he faked it, but I'm grateful because for all you know I'm a tracker and so I get shot. He is town AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH NOW I SEE IT: Okay people. He is lying. He claimed what i copied you. lol. Actually that's a nice plan. He claims tracker or whatever gets shot and eats one hit, since he's vet. Yes sorry. I didnt actually realize that this "vet" thing was a claim haha. Either way. I see nothing scummy about me or him in this incident. If i had faked the log to save our tracker. what's scummy about that? If he now lies about his role. Nothing scummy about it, since i only see that his lie affects the scumteam and not us. Sadly noone thought about this for a single second and the one who accuse Pandain or me for that are actually mafia. Plus this really townish move by Pandain makes me much more confident that he's town. Unvote him ASAP nerds!!! | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:29 austinmcc wrote: I disagree with you saying he has done nothing townish. I read a decent amount of townish stuff in his filter. Post it here and don't just talk about it! | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My read on mig is that he has played a game that imo doesn't correspond with how he claims to play. Albeit I think my read of him is far less solid then it once was which is why he is now so far town on my scum list. He should be offed only after the first 4 + oats. Simple. I harassed him on his night actions, and i wasn't satisfied with the results, but at the same time the way he has played over this day cycle has been really solid aside from those interactions. I think his night actions are suspect, I dont like how he responded, I also don't like that he isn't being a more vocal and active voice in the game. Overall hes way too passive for what I know he can do and should be doing. forget mig. He's town. I know it 94,7% sure! | ||
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This wagon is terrible! Get off him! | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I asked you ages ago for 5 valid contributions youve done and you couldn't do it. Since then I have scanned your filter and guess what? I don't need to answer your, or analyze you post by post. You have 0 fucking content. You have been riding the "i pushed mocsta and almost got him lynched card" Thats all you got. Given that most people didn't want me constantly filling the thread with "grack is scum and heres a page of analysis why" I stopped. Sucks for you that I pegged you. Sucks for me no one believes me. i am afraid playing antitown is the new townmeta around. :-( vote risen. I wanna kill at least one scummer today... | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:45 austinmcc wrote: I don't want to lynch risen. I would rather consolidate onto rayn. only to purify the thread? no. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course you would because you are fucking scum. yeah yeah everyone is scum. we get it. Now shut up and live! I'll save your ass you annoying bummer. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:49 Coagulation wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l9chR3K.png) nice, can you make me one of these, too? | ||
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I am either terribly wrong and BC played me like a fiddle or I am right and we're lynching this dude who is in my eyes one of the most helpful and friendly players in this town  | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Baddies be bad brosky. Can't blame them for being terrible. Only upshot is a few people finally stepped up to do shit. Who cares if I die for it BC.  | ||
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I just know it doesnt help anything. Would get us both lynched :-D | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:58 Risen wrote: DOUBLE TOWN LYNCH PLEASE IF THERE IS A GOD DELIVER IT TO ME AND I PROMISE ILL SAY GRACE AT THANKSGIVING THIS YEAR shut up man you're scum :-( | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:05 Mig wrote: holy fuck rayne you could have saved yourself and lynched another mafia in Risen you fucker ##################################################################################### THIS and yes i screwed that BC read up! OKAY! | ||
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Risen needs to die tonight. I don't care how, but someone has to activate anything. | ||
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this role is somehow extremely fitting :D | ||
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At the same time i was talking to mig in our QT and posting in the thread and rereading. What do you expect from me? | ||
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On November 24 2013 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I was right then I went a bit off. Still, I said it once. Everyone is right at some point. You have to be right at the end of the lynch. Otherwise you are fucking useless or scum. 1. Risen 2. Thrawn 3. Coag 4. [redOats [/red] we lynch down that list atm. Regardless who flips tonight. The fact that BC is scum doesnt help Oats much. He still might be the scumRBer. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + supersoft 11-23-2013 05:21 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE ah i overlooked that shit yes... 136 Mig 11-23-2013 02:36 PM ET (US) Whatever you do hammer Risen hard. He is so full of shit. He knows there isnt any night KP left. He would not have fought so hard to survive just to give up he is trying to trick the town by playing dead. 135 Mig 11-23-2013 11:31 AM ET (US) We already had a doc die unfortunately. So we would need a second doc to exist. 134 supersoft 11-23-2013 11:15 AM ET (US) + they have one RBer for sure. Maybe even a madhatter. Pandain is confirmed town now btw. I thought he'd die at the end of d3. There is no way that he's scum and they take this huge risk. 133 supersoft 11-23-2013 11:12 AM ET (US) i think we might have even 7-8 since they had a doctor and a 2shot vig. Thats a lot of powerroles already in their hands. A madhatter and a Vet in addition could make sense. The amount of Masons doesnt matter. 132 supersoft 11-23-2013 11:11 AM ET (US) about 6 blues make sense. We had 2 trackers, 2 vigs, 1 RBer and 1 doc. That makes sense doesnt it? 131 supersoft 11-23-2013 11:05 AM ET (US) why not. they had one. 130 Mig 11-23-2013 11:00 AM ET (US) Why do you think we have a doc? 129 supersoft 11-23-2013 10:56 AM ET (US) sure. they are my top3 scumreads aswell... Risen has to die first. I wont block risen. They know i think he's scum. I guess i go with coag... I don't think you will die tonight. We have a doctor for sure. And it makes sense to call protection on you. 128 Mig 11-23-2013 10:43 AM ET (US) When I die tonight SS it will be your job to lead the town. Murder Risen/thrawn/Coag! 127 Mig 11-23-2013 10:23 AM ET (US) I would say rb one of coag/thrawn/risen all of them seem verrrrry likely mafia. 126 supersoft 11-22-2013 08:50 PM ET (US) at least that makes room for other blues/docs to operate 125 supersoft 11-22-2013 08:49 PM ET (US) ah true. they have 4 people left yes. We need to kill that RBer. 124 Mig 11-22-2013 08:27 PM ET (US) Thank god I stayed strong on BC. You even had me doubting there last minute 123 Mig 11-22-2013 08:18 PM ET (US) I think they are going to rb you tonight unfortunately. 122 supersoft 11-22-2013 08:13 PM ET (US) okay now we need to land one fucking awesome RB and we got this game. 121 supersoft 11-22-2013 08:03 PM ET (US) awesome. we probably had 2 scum nailed. Risen is confirmed scum... SHIT. now we have one empty day!!! 120 supersoft 11-22-2013 08:01 PM ET (US) AH SHOULD I SAVE PANDAIN? 119 supersoft 11-22-2013 08:00 PM ET (US) rofl he's scum!!! 118 supersoft 11-22-2013 08:00 PM ET (US) this day could end terribly... dude bc must be town... Oats is scum the worst part is, that noone actually listens 117 Mig 11-22-2013 07:57 PM ET (US) Please god let Risen be mafia 116 supersoft 11-22-2013 07:24 PM ET (US) meeeh i wanna see Oats dead. He must die. He is so scummy. He does the same as Risen, only worse 115 Mig 11-22-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) Risen voting Pandain/rayn. The 2 guys he is competing not to die with. Shocker. 114 Mig 11-22-2013 07:10 PM ET (US) LM's vote is a bit shady. Votes in vote thread without saying so in regular thread and he voted so late it was just an addon vote for BC who was very likely to die. 113 supersoft 11-22-2013 07:06 PM ET (US) people voting BC aren't scum on my list... hmm at least that looks okay so far. No scum on the wagon on the other hand is also suspicious... 112 supersoft 11-22-2013 06:17 PM ET (US) we should lynch risen. "while playing a second game" i saw that, too and I laughed out loud in front of my PC. This guy is sick! I never ever played two games. It's just way too much. I was sitting in my exam today and at one point I was thinking about BC being scum or not :D this game consumes so much free time :D Okay. Risen should die tonight he hasnt done anything protown so far. thats for sure. Not even his defense is protown. His play fits a devent scumplayer thats that. Nothing points towards town. i looked through his stuff there is nothing. Pandain is so calm and everything. he agrees on my reads... i know could be scum buddying me. I mean he buddied me since day1. _MAYBE_ a little too much, that's why i was suspicious of him from time to time... And he said Mocsta isnt a good lynch. But yes. 111 Mig 11-22-2013 06:12 PM ET (US) Should we be trying to push the lynch onto risen and off of pandain? If pandain is actually vet it is a big loss for town. 110 Mig 11-22-2013 05:58 PM ET (US) I am feeling better about a Risen lynch after HFs post. I agree with him Risen was really shitting up the thread hard. 109 Mig 11-22-2013 05:55 PM ET (US) random thought, marv played in world heavyweight championship (which risen "won" as mafia), and if he rigged alignments in this game, I wouldn't be surprised if he made risen mafia 108 Mig 11-22-2013 05:38 PM ET (US) I mean I guess it is possible. But he has 34 pages of filter lol and that was while playing a second game. He made a really nice plan to try and figure out the mason circle with VE thinking he could catch a liar with it. He can be mafia, honestly his filter is so big I haven't read through all of it but fuck how many mafia have 34 page filters while playing 2 games. Would be insane dedication. 107 supersoft 11-22-2013 05:35 PM ET (US) what about rayn as scum... is he in marvs eyes good enough to replace BC as the scumteamvet? 106 Mig 11-22-2013 05:27 PM ET (US) Well I will hope you are wrong and I hope BC dies. 105 supersoft 11-22-2013 05:23 PM ET (US) bah, Risen is scum. He is. That defense lacks actual content. Perfect scumdefense 104 supersoft 11-22-2013 05:22 PM ET (US) okay. I vote for Risen, but i cannot vote for BC. seriously I can't. He's not scum. I sense it. 103 Mig 11-22-2013 04:41 PM ET (US) I kind of just want to keep murdering risen. He brought so much chaos into the town. Seems like awesome scum play. 102 Mig 11-22-2013 04:39 PM ET (US) These guys are so fucking stupid it is unreal. Pandain said you doctored the logs because (if he is town) he wants mafia to think he is another role and not vet so they shoot him. This is incredibly obvious. So obvious I almost want to put it in thread but it is bad if the mafia are as dense as these monkeys. 101 Mig 11-22-2013 04:31 PM ET (US) This is a nightmare. I am so afraid we are just being owned by Risen. But I have no clue. 100 Mig 11-22-2013 04:18 PM ET (US) lol I was thinking the same, fuck if hes scum hes good but he keeps bragging about how good as scum he was in world heavy weight. I mean he didnt try at all before now now that he is about to be lynched hes going nuts 99 supersoft 11-22-2013 04:17 PM ET (US) wtf is he doing now... wow okay. 98 supersoft 11-22-2013 04:15 PM ET (US) actually this: i understand why you want to lynch me is genius... If he's scum he's really good... lol 97 supersoft 11-22-2013 04:13 PM ET (US) i honestly don't know :D he looks like a decent scumplayer to me. This defense fits a scumplayer somehow. Note that he refuses to give any reasonable and serious reads. 96 Mig 11-22-2013 04:10 PM ET (US) So what do we do about Risen lol 95 supersoft 11-22-2013 04:07 PM ET (US) ahh okay youre right about this. 94 Mig 11-22-2013 04:03 PM ET (US) Their strategy seems to be shoot 1 vet 1 useless person. The fact that you expressed so much suspicion to BC is probably what kept me alive lol. Also remember you called for a medic on me last night and it makes him look pretty bad if I die after calling him out. 93 supersoft 11-22-2013 03:58 PM ET (US) btw. in my eyes you are basically confirmed town now. Why would scum shoot 2 extremely scummy townies and claim 2 shot vig. That never ever happened. + your playstyle fits the 2shotvig so well :D it makes complete sense. As scum I'd RBed or shot you n1. I really dont think BC is scum. Think about it. Who would be BCs most important targets! I think you would be dead by now. who would scumBC shoot? 92 supersoft 11-22-2013 03:55 PM ET (US) it is... an Oats-redflip would be so good right now. I really need this to make all these voices that want me dead to shut up. Risens defense is somehow strange. I need to reread some parts of this thread... brb 91 Mig 11-22-2013 03:53 PM ET (US) But there is seriously nobody defending risen lol everybody seems happy to murder him. 90 Mig 11-22-2013 03:50 PM ET (US) Makes sense to me. Any consideration for him withholding a KP to get oats lynched at a later point in time? I'm fine with not lynching super now. But that means Oats needs to go so we can lynch super after if Oats flips town. That's just the way it has to be. For now: ##unvote: supersoft Don't know how you're town. I think you're scum going for the 1 for 1. I'd be impressed by this bus, though not surprised. This post seems shady to me, especially of Oats is town. Why would Oats being town make you mafia. The idea that you would trade yourself 1 for 1 doesnt make any sense. 89 Mig 11-22-2013 03:47 PM ET (US) How about Oats agreeing with BC and voting me lol. This game is a nightmare. 88 supersoft 11-22-2013 03:44 PM ET (US) i am torn about risen, too. His reads are too bad to be scum same applys for BC btw. 87 supersoft 11-22-2013 03:44 PM ET (US) thrawn has to die at some point. Same applys for oats. They won't get out of this 86 Mig 11-22-2013 03:41 PM ET (US) I am so torn, because Risen's defense is pretty solid but I would expect a scum Risen to not go down without a fight? Not sure. Thrawn seems like a good choice regardless tho. 85 supersoft 11-22-2013 03:40 PM ET (US) I write up a case 84 supersoft 11-22-2013 03:40 PM ET (US) sure thrawn is a really strong scumread of mine. Okay. 83 Mig 11-22-2013 03:29 PM ET (US) Hey do you think we should maybe switch from Risen to thrawn? He hasn't posted in forever and keeps posting in the other game. 65 times! 82 Mig 11-22-2013 03:25 PM ET (US) From reading that, HF thinks pandain is doc and you covered for him by altering the mason logs from him claiming doc to vet. 81 supersoft 11-22-2013 02:56 PM ET (US) BloodyC0bbler - scummy, based on what I just said Mig - BC does put doubt into my mind about him but as I see it he didn't shoot BC because me and artanis were putting up a smokescreen to shoot BC, Mig didn't want to waste a bullet by shooting the same target and he can't possibly know there is a rb'er on their team if nobody has said so so far and if this whole affair wasn't mentioned my original read on him was town Onegu - He hasn't been here but his first posts were only targetting me and for shitty reasons, he then focused austin and that's his entire contribution this game, he just returned and made a god awful list of who he thought was scum without any reasoning. I think he might be scum. Koshi - He looks like towny koshi, he's trying to get rayn killed right now because he thinks he is justified in his read on him. I don't think he'd go out of his way to go past thread sentiment and get people to vote rayn Coagulation - I do not know anything about him hiro protagonist thrawn2112 - is posting in another game and not here after being called out by austin (even if that case seemed misguided) also scummy Hopeless1der - original scum read, hasn't changed, not contributing Grackaroni - mocsta flip made him look towny, I do not know what to honestly think of him other than his total lack of real contributions, I'd have to wait for a BC flip because if BC flips scum I think grack is also scum Pandain - looked scummy based off of rayn's/hopeless' case, hasn't said much after day 2 half way. Haven't got awful vibes from him and I'm pretty sure he claimed doctor to you based on his reactions. Still a bit surprised that he claimed 25 posts into a mason qt with you because he had no way of knowing if you were town based on that, looks like a case of too much knowledge if anything supersoft - i really liked your day 1, I've felt that you have slipped off a bit. I liked that you didn't want to lynch BH because I was pushing the same vendetta to gain information. I think you are pretty towny for that, covered up a potential doc too so yeh VayneAuthority - no reason not to believe he isn't hatter, hasn't promoted an agenda like people say his scum games have raynpelikoneet - towny from sheer amount of posts and confusion on his part, dumb, but towny austinmcc - think he might be vet, his questions day 1 didn't really lead anywhere towards his reads, in mason chat with me he also ignored me when i was talking about mocsta until I called him out for it and then he said "oh yeh dont think mocsta is scum", wary of him but his play today suggests towny Risen - ......nothing to comment on but ruining town Mr. Cheesecake - lurker, no idea LoneMeow - also lurker, made a case on why he could be scum and I think that applies, been sitting back whilst we shit on everything Alakaslam - don't think he's scum based off of day 1/2 but can't be sure as he's changed his style a lot Oatsmaster - I made a case on him with BC and hopeless as my other reads, I think his play was really bad and everytime I mention him people throw me off of him saying useless is his town meta... -.- ____________________________________________ this is his stuff 80 supersoft 11-22-2013 02:54 PM ET (US) or is he the doctor? or the victim? lol. 79 supersoft 11-22-2013 02:53 PM ET (US) mig, i am masoned to holyflare right now, he masoned me this morning: He gave me a list of his reads: that's the one about me: supersoft - i really liked your day 1, I've felt that you have slipped off a bit. I liked that you didn't want to lynch BH because I was pushing the same vendetta to gain information. I think you are pretty towny for that, covered up a potential doc too so yeh last sentence. What did I do? Does he have informations i don't have? does that mean hes scum and knows oats didnt carry a KP so there must be a doc? What? 78 supersoft 11-22-2013 01:30 PM ET (US) haha dont worry ^_^ yes the Risenlynch is happening pretty fast... I just came home had a 5 hour exam :-o 77 Mig 11-22-2013 01:07 PM ET (US) I defended you in thread. If you are somehow scum I will hate you forever. Keep this in mind! 76 Mig 11-22-2013 12:16 PM ET (US) what do you think about koshi's rayn case? 75 Mig 11-22-2013 07:22 AM ET (US) Hey are you concerned with how little resistance there is to the Risen lynch? Risen just instantly jumped to 5 votes as soon as we voted him. BC lynch is struggling went to 7 then down to 4 etc there is some resistance. 74 Mig 11-21-2013 10:29 PM ET (US) What do you think about the fact that artanis was rbd after he said he was going to shoot BC. Would mafia rb him then and not let him kill BC? BC is a persuasive guy look at all the people unvoting him. Seems like a terrible move by mafia to let him live if so. 73 Mig 11-21-2013 10:28 PM ET (US) Honestly not sure BC is going to be lynched today lol. 72 Mig 11-21-2013 10:25 PM ET (US) I could see being frustrated that nobody listens to his cases. I don't know if I buy his anger post on d2 tho. We were already lynching BH, who he wanted to lynch! And in your mason log he wasn't acting angry at all. Dunno I also don't know if I believe the "I am so bad at town blah blah blah". I haven't actually played with bc for a couple years but he used to have wayyyyy more confidence in himself. In the end I just have more respect for BC to where I don't think he would really be tunneling me and grack endlessly as town. Could be wrong but I don't think so. It makes sense with Risen as scum also. Did you notice Risen disappeared when I asked him what makes him town. 71 supersoft 11-21-2013 07:40 PM ET (US) his points are hard to understand for me and they are mainly his perspective... aaaaaah BC :D always the same. He always looks scummy to me... 70 supersoft 11-21-2013 07:38 PM ET (US) his holyflare-read could be something i can agree on. Need to check him out myself. 69 supersoft 11-21-2013 07:28 PM ET (US) BCs reads are terrible. You two are basically my strongest townreads. But his behaviour isnt scummy. He pushed me day1 into the vest, i wasn't RBed, his frustration is real 68 supersoft 11-21-2013 05:29 PM ET (US) i made a few lists. As i said. I need some more time to have a really deep look into BC. Everything is in the thread ^_^ 67 supersoft 11-21-2013 05:16 PM ET (US) yeah i had to laugh when i opened this filter and that HUGE post popped up on my screen ^_^ 66 Mig 11-21-2013 05:08 PM ET (US) lol after reading that filter how can this Risen be town. It is like he is purposefully being dense just to fuck the town. 65 supersoft 11-21-2013 04:52 PM ET (US) ah if Risen is scum, scumBC makes sense. I need to find this! 64 supersoft 11-21-2013 04:48 PM ET (US) ROFL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...user=Risen&view=all look at that filter and look at his filter this game. This is the most ridiculous difference in meta i ever saw! 63 Mig 11-21-2013 04:18 PM ET (US) I have no clue what to make of Risen. I feel like he is actively trying to harm town but does that make him scum or someone who really cares none at all. 62 supersoft 11-21-2013 02:44 PM ET (US) coag: TL Mafia LXIII: Time to scroll... this guys is actually pretty funny. beside that his filter is pretty empty. could be blue or scum. scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...oagulation&view=all towngame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...oagulation&view=all some larger posts in the towngame unlike our current game. Meta suggests scum. content is nonexistant. 61 Mig 11-21-2013 02:05 PM ET (US) Right the way he defends BC is what is suspicious to me. If he defended BC hard I could see it as Mocsta defending for town cred/to buddy up with BC. But he soft defends without ever calling BC town just trying to get the pressure off of him without looking like hes supporting. 60 supersoft 11-21-2013 01:36 PM ET (US) "BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further. it comes down to asset management." this is a key statement in my eyes. He attacks the way yamato attacks BC. He doesnt try to defend BC directly. He doesnt say BC is town. Ahhhh it's difficult... i'd really like to lynch Oats before BC... Whatever, moving on to Thrawn. I gotta read him. I remember, that he's extremely agressive as town usually and more active. He adapted some of my scumhuntingtechnics, i "coached" him one time :-P 59 supersoft 11-21-2013 01:33 PM ET (US) well okay. I checked this Oats/BC thing, yes BC is very diffident about Oats. that is true. He said he looks bad etc. but he didnt support me. And all in all, BCs support of the BH lynch is suspicious. I didn't understand that lynch at all... 58 Mig 11-21-2013 12:51 PM ET (US) Also btw if you think Thrawn is scum what do you think about him supporting BC's terrible Grack case? 57 Mig 11-21-2013 12:49 PM ET (US) Wouldn't a mislynch of BC day1 be really good for mafia? And his defense of BC is so weak he doesnt say BC is town it isn't buddying. 56 Mig 11-21-2013 12:47 PM ET (US) Super what do you think about mocsta defending BC day1 warn delete filter user info no yam you may be a town read for me, but thats not enough to secure my vote. BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further. it comes down to asset management. BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum. there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg. the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion. ??? a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum. if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before. I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet. its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance. BC fits into that grouping. now I know for fact you are worthless as a mayor. too self absorbed to even consider if you are wrong, I want to win the game, not be voted in as mayor, clearly we have two different objectives, He also used this to describe Yam as mayor. BC in his mason log with you said almost the exact same thing (yam being self absorbed) 55 Mig 11-21-2013 12:31 PM ET (US) k noted 54 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-21-2013 12:16 PM ET (US) /m53 I removed the replacement list at some point in Day 2, because I felt it unrealistic to replace into a game that long. 53 Mig 11-21-2013 12:13 PM ET (US) Also the fact that hiro replaced out makes him slightly more scum in my eyes. Stutters was just modkilled. 52 Mig 11-21-2013 12:08 PM ET (US) I agree on Thrawn. His interaction with BH was weird he was totally convinced he was town/assassin only wouldn't consider the possibility that he could be scum. I was really close to shooting him instead of mattchew except for the missing kp. 51 supersoft 11-21-2013 10:53 AM ET (US) It's always like that in games with mayors. People focus on the "vets" day1 and continue to do so after that. Why don't we just start where we start every game. Lynch scummy people and not try to find the "biggest and best and most dangerous" scumplayer at the beginning. 50 supersoft 11-21-2013 10:51 AM ET (US) I also don't really get how all these guys approach this game. It's impossible to filter single persons, since noone quotes important stuff and the majority of the posts are oneliner-dialogues. Okay. Enough whining about this. I really don't want to lynch BC today, I prefer thrawn and Oats. I know thrawn well, this is not his townplay. I am going to write a case about him. Yes these two are likely not the big fishs in the scumteam but they are very likely to be scum in my eyes. I really don't see any possibility that they are not. I have lots of strong townreads so far and obviously BC is on the edge, but I don't want to lynch someone who is on the edge rather than stron scumreads! 49 supersoft 11-21-2013 10:47 AM ET (US) I don't see anything scummy about my play. I wrote a completely reasonable case on oats. Noone ever really told my what i overlook about him. Sure. BC looks not exactly town. Yes, balance wise he looks terribly. I believe your claim, you shot two townies, but I had them as scum on my list, too. Thats why i immediately asked if someone else shot sharrant. And yes. I don't agree with his reads. I didnt agree with his read on Grack and ever since then only his townreads on yamato/VE/myself were on spot. I don't agree with his read on you, but from his perspective, if he's town, he has the same point balancewise against you that i have/you have against him. Under the assumption that he thinks that I am town, it makes sense, that he's suspicious of you. But, I probably wasn't RBed. The reason for this could either be that they have no RBer, that BC thought I'd block town - unlikely since i had Mocsta - their vig - down as scum on my list and he knew that. 48 Mig 11-21-2013 10:22 AM ET (US) " And I currently think SS is scummier for having worse reads than BC. Also noob claiming." worse reads than BC lol what good reads has BC had. 47 Mig 11-21-2013 10:21 AM ET (US) Oats says so either BC or SS is scum then votes you lol. Unquestionably if you compare you and BC BC is way scummier right? 46 Mig 11-21-2013 10:19 AM ET (US) Have you noticed that Oats/BC have pretty much avoided each other the entire game. Oats Like why hasn't BC voted Oats with you? He trusts you completely as town right and you are totally sure he is mafia + your rber thing. Why would BC keep tunneling Grack and never switch to oats with you? Like even yesterday when Oats got like 7 votes BC never voted him. BC got 4 votes yesterday Oats not one of them. 45 Mig 11-21-2013 10:17 AM ET (US) Rethinking Oats here Oatsmaster Singapore. November 15 2013 11:42. Posts 7865 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote Edit # warn delete filter user info So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice. The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too. On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly. So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta. This post is pretty bad. Coming up with null on Mocsta after saying what he is doing is scummy 44 Mig 11-21-2013 10:02 AM ET (US) How about the fact that I shot mattchew (one of BCs top scum reads) and BC immediately decides that makes me mafia 43 Mig 11-21-2013 09:30 AM ET (US) If BC is town he is one of the worst players I have ever seen. Not even exaggerating. Did you read his arguments against me for why I would claim the shots as mafia? He couldn't be more full of shit. 42 supersoft 11-21-2013 09:18 AM ET (US) no note really. I played with BC for so many times, and he's always like that. I need Oats to flip. If oats is scum I highly doubt that BC is scum, too and right now, Oats looks terrible to me. 41 Mig 11-20-2013 11:52 PM ET (US) Can you agree BC is obviously mafia now? 40 Mig 11-20-2013 10:35 PM ET (US) Fuck I wish I had just shot BC lol. If BC was town I would have 0 qualms about going after pandain/Oats 39 Mig 11-20-2013 10:34 PM ET (US) Who do you want as your second lynch target besides oats? 38 Mig 11-20-2013 10:34 PM ET (US) The possibility of you blocking a kp with Oats is nice but relies on so much stuff (oats must be scum and scum couldn't have shot bh and there couldn't have been a medic save). And the problem is there is guaranteed at least 1 rber in the game. But on the flip side if we lynched oats and he flipped scum you are guaranteed town no question. 37 Mig 11-20-2013 10:28 PM ET (US) There is so much weird stuff. Town really has a roleblocker 2 trackers a doc 2 2 shot vigs, possible mad hatter, possibly 2 vets. 5 million masons. Ridiculous zone here. 36 Mig 11-20-2013 10:25 PM ET (US) Yes better lol. Sorry if I don't trust as instantly as you seem to. 35 supersoft 11-20-2013 09:06 PM ET (US) i honestly don't know. I need to filter some of his games for that... I didnt to much work on this game d2 tbh, since BH was a clear lynch since the beginning of the day. I got to get my stuff going again. 34 Mig 11-20-2013 09:01 PM ET (US) Also what do you think about Risen? I have never played with before. Is he always like this? 33 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:58 PM ET (US) yes. 32 Mig 11-20-2013 08:58 PM ET (US) Can I see your logs with BC/VE/pandain would help a lot. 31 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:50 PM ET (US) Oatsmaster, Pandain, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, (hiro) thrawn2112 and Mocsta. that could do it. Pandain is good, oats is good. Coag is expected to be a decent scumplayer. Hiro is decent and mocsta is decent. it think that team could do it. The average skilllvl in this game is pretty high i guess. 30 Mig 11-20-2013 08:49 PM ET (US) And there are so many scenarios here, what if they did rb you but also wasted a shot on bh. We would never know. 29 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:47 PM ET (US) i claimed only to BC. i told VE on d2 and we talked about BC then. I knew that VE wasnt scum. 28 Mig 11-20-2013 08:46 PM ET (US) This is going to take some thinking lol. We know for a fact that mafia have a rber because artanis was rbd. I am trying to decide if you were the rber lol. So weird you claimed day 1 to 2 different people that's so nuts. But ok lets go hypothetical if you and BC were both town then who is the scum team. Is pandain/Oats strong enough of a team for marv to have balanced it that way? 27 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:42 PM ET (US) I thought if BC is scum, they never let mocsta deliver a KP since i might RB him, my latest target. unfortunately he was vig and they went for the shot regardless. 26 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:41 PM ET (US) no they chose the KPbearer. Thats why i didnt block mocsta.... :-( 25 Mig 11-20-2013 08:38 PM ET (US) Is the KP given out randomly? 24 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:37 PM ET (US) I thought Oats doesnt delive a KP twice, if i RBed him successfully. I mean they have 5 people to carry 2 KP 23 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:36 PM ET (US) Yes, i have huuuuge issues with the balancing. If I had to rank the people in the game, like Marv would do it, the list looks somehow like this: BloodyC0bbler / supersoft / mig?* BH / VE pandain / oats / mocsta / mattchew ah it's difficult. I don't know their historys. Marv doesn't play mafia as long as i do, but he played in the shorter time a lot more games. He probably knows these newer players very well. I know that marv expects something from me and BC. *I don't know if he knew you. VE and BH make perfect sense as assassins. They show that he definetely influenced the roles.. there is nothing random about this choice. 22 Mig 11-20-2013 08:32 PM ET (US) Also why did you rb mattchew and not oats again? 21 Mig 11-20-2013 08:31 PM ET (US) So isn't there a chance Mafia didn't even rb you even if BC was mafia. 20 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:30 PM ET (US) obviously only 10min before deadline, so it didnt affect their nightactions. 19 Mig 11-20-2013 08:29 PM ET (US) Hey also did you tell BC who you were going to RB? 18 Mig 11-20-2013 08:24 PM ET (US) Ok lets discuss balancing. Do you think Marv would have balanced the players in the game? 17 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:23 PM ET (US) Meeeeh, i don't know... I'd kill Oats today. He's scummy, one KP is missing, i possibly RBed him... 16 Mig 11-20-2013 08:21 PM ET (US) Definitely not on VE of course. BH is possible if they really believed he was a tracker. From mafia perspective they knew he wasnt mafia so maybe they did actually believe his claim. Or possibly a doctor saved someone. 15 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:21 PM ET (US) i wanted to be mayor. I thought i know when i get RBed, because I thought my Masonpower suffers from RBs. I was wrong. I found out just before your long post, and my post where is said BC is scum. 14 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:20 PM ET (US) aaaaah he didnt shoot BC okaaaay... ahm okay. Gotta think: BC is scum ----> he knows i am RBer. ----> they RBed me, -----> 1 KP is missing. BC is town ----> he knows, but they don't know -----> I may have blocked a shot -----> Oats is scum. Or the shot is somewhere else. (unlikely on BH and not on VE either, since he has a vest and a single shot. no) 13 Mig 11-20-2013 08:19 PM ET (US) But so you did claim to him. So day1 you claimed to TWO different people lol. What the fuck. 12 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:18 PM ET (US) VE wasn't scum. I was 99% sure of that. 11 Mig 11-20-2013 08:18 PM ET (US) Nobody shot BC he was going to survive regardless. Artanis shot austin 10 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:17 PM ET (US) I think it's scenario 3 9 Mig 11-20-2013 08:17 PM ET (US) Pretty fishy for you to claim to BC on day1, you understand that right. Like what could he have said that made you trust him so completely. And wtf did you claim to VE also? Because VE seemed to know that somebody had a power and was mason as well. 8 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:17 PM ET (US) scenario 1: If they have a RBer and BC is scum, I would have been blocked n1 and I could not have prevented a KP = one shot is missing. scenario 2: No RBer. Makes no sense that BC survived. scenario 3: BC is town, they have a RBer didnt use it on me, i blocked the shot, oats is scum 7 Mig 11-20-2013 08:14 PM ET (US) I am wondering if BC is town would they just let artanis shoot him or would they rb artanis in the hopes we mislynch bc after. 6 Mig 11-20-2013 08:13 PM ET (US) The fact that austin is still alive means that pretty much no matter what artanis was rbd. The question now is did they believe him when he said he was going to shoot bc and that is why they rbd? 5 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:13 PM ET (US) i kind of trusted him. i thought you were scum. Now you're blue and your absense makes perfect sense. If the KP didnt go missing else where, Oats is scum and BC is scum 4 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:12 PM ET (US) i claimed what i am. I am townRBer and i blocked Oats and Mattchew. 3 Mig 11-20-2013 08:11 PM ET (US) Yea quite unfortunate I murdered 2 townies. Ok so when did you claim to BC and wtf why did you claim to him? 2 supersoft 11-20-2013 08:10 PM ET (US) well well well, so you shot two townies... I admit, i RBed your last target. I thought BC is dead. We have a problem now. Why didnt he die? do they have a RBer? Did my RB block scumKP or did it went missing on another way? 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-20-2013 08:04 PM ET (US) supersoft and Mig mason day 3/night 3 I guess mig is cool with that. We had no secret plans or anything. Just discussed the game | ||
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On November 22 2013 06:46 supersoft wrote: this is your case, right? I posted the MasonQTs too late. Nice catch, sherlock Woa On November 22 2013 07:15 supersoft wrote: BC wrote in my mason QT: _____________________________________________________________________________ these are a lot of IFs, but if my list is correct about 3/4, he defends scum and if my townread on Grack is correct, he proposes a townlynch. lot of ifs but still _____________________________________________________________________________ earlier: On November 23 2013 05:20 supersoft wrote: that is just bullshit. You are a terrible mafiaplayer thats it. Scumnightkills are terribly bad so far. They only killed useless people. ____________________________________________________________________ "Scum has killed off just about everyone who had credibility or was willing to build cases." RISEN SCUMSLIP Fuck this is all in my filter! Risen is 100000000% scum! | ||
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On November 24 2013 08:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: also coag good pick for scum. at least 3 scum in those names. Risen is scum 100% one of thrawn/coag is guaranteed scum very likely both Oats looks terrible, too. Voting pattern, reads, activity. | ||
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This is the gameplan now. If they try to kill mig tonight, they will need n4 and n5 to kill me. If we kill their RBer, they will probably never be able to kill me. The game looks extremely good right now. Now one thing: Don't get fucking paranoid now. If anyone doubts my alignment, think of the balancing of this game. Think about who was assassin, think about who flipped red. Mig and I VS. BC makes complete sense. BH and VE as assassins makes complete sense. 7-8 blues make sense VS 6scum and one scumDoc, scumRB, scum2vig this game is very very very well figured out. We have almost confirmed town in: Grack, Pandain, Mig, Vayne and myself We have very, very townish looking people in: Austinmcc and Holyflare this is almost unwinable as scum. | ||
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We have wait: 9 hitpoints on EXTREMELY townish looking people. That is 9 nights. That means we can lynch down about 8 days: 8 lynches into this list from top to bottom: 1. Risen 2. hiro protagonist thrawn2112 3. Coagulation 4. Oatsmaster 5. Onegu 6. LoneMeow 7. Hopeless1der 8. Mr. Cheesecake 9. Alakaslam 10. Koshi And if we kill their RBer, so I can RB them we have even more time LOL! You may surrender now. | ||
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On November 24 2013 08:50 Pandain wrote: Eh actually I would say no. His reads are fine town can solve it afterwards. Worried about suicide bomber ruining things. o_o completely forgot about these pals. But lol if risen is no suicidebomber, they drop down to only 2 guys tomorrow if they suicide now. And if the suicidebomber isn't coag/thrawn/oats, the game will end day7 100% guaranteed. Pff even it is one of them hahaha this is won. either way. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:46 Coagulation wrote: yeah if I check out tonight lynch thrawn or oats what is this? i mean i totally agree with you there, but why would the scumteam - if you are town, i doubt it - kill you? are you distancing yourself from thrawn and oats? | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:46 austinmcc wrote: Okay. I got no problem as long as people know. I don't THINK there's a way for you to get caught in this if you're scum, you can always lie about your target, but...just in case it's good to have somewhere. they won't kill all three of us. | ||
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1. Risen 2. hiro protagonist thrawn2112 3. Coagulation 4. Oatsmaster 5. Onegu 6. LoneMeow 7. Hopeless1der 8. Mr. Cheesecake 9. Alakaslam 10. Koshi this list. = townwin. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I want a formal massclaim tomorrow, actions and all. Dont fakeclaim as town. I want to count the blues and see whats what we may do that. i actually like the idea just to make sure what's going on... | ||
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