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very sad we didn't start today :/ | ||
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lets gogogoogogo send out the pms! | ||
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Majority to lynch guys. we need to be pretty active, and decisive on our votes. im fine with lynching lurkers day 1 | ||
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On October 30 2013 09:41 Balla24 wrote: Let's keep the pace of the game up too, none of that long post bullshit unless you need to address a lot of points. Short and to the point high in content. Fast-paced posting makes it hard for scum to clearly think through what is going on and it makes it easier to find lurkers. And yes, lynch lurkers. idk what to think of this post... | ||
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On October 30 2013 09:49 Balla24 wrote: just curious you are storrzerg from eSports mafia correct? Yes i am also StorrZerg on tl as well as many other places :D | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:20 Balla24 wrote: I disagree with that cakeman... but i'm making assumptions based on what I know of Storrzerg.. he tends to just randomly put suspicion on people. Storrzerg, what made you say that? What's your experience with forum mafia? Still "newer" i'd say i've played a few, but i need a better understanding of the rules and how to scum hunt since things are different on forum from RL or on video chat | ||
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well i said what i meant i did not know what to think of it. I don't usually have people posting about how to play the game in this context, and probably why it was said was based on previous experience with the newby games. I can agree with things that are said (post content, "fast paced" lynch lurkers) I find it odd that you have to put the game in a very defined manner though. at least it feels to me you want the game to be played out like this, with no exceptions. | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:21 cakemanofdoom wrote: onlywonderboy's the one who's defending Balla. I'm simply questioning Storr right now: his pressure, if it's just pressure, came without any sort of explanation, or justification. At least, wouldn't something concrete (rather than a vague comment that can basically be ignored as personal musing) be better for forcing people to talk? i really hate people who look for "concrete" reasons to lynch someone, specially day 1.... we want to lynch mafia sure, but a "concrete" reason would imo be, a cop claiming his checks at night, then dieing that night. i think this is a pretty consistent thing regarding the median of mafia. personally i'm a bit sad so many people are going after cakeman since i wanted to pressure him more. | ||
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to the guy who made us start late and has yet to post lets see some action | ||
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On October 30 2013 14:07 Balla24 wrote: i do want the game to be played out like that... is that a bad thing? short answer no probably puts you more town for wanting to play that way. (that is how im feeling about you right now) | ||
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what do you want? we have 13 people and game is what 5 hours old? i'd be interested in the next 12-24 hours as people who are sleeping will be up and ready to post and we should be able to narrow down the lynch for today then until then its just do what we can | ||
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formal call out on you guys. post please, i don't want to hear from any of you that the thread is moving to fast and all you could come up was "latch onto random bandwagon" Also as for posting, idk why 40 pages is ideal, personally i'd like to see everyone at 2 pages on their own filter) | ||
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i still think we have a few who have yet to post. plz post. july's post was ok, but if this is your style of play, 1 post evey 12 hours. your really gonna have to make those 4 posts count to not get lynched. | ||
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i know he has had a lot of pressue, but he doesnt scream scum to me yet. @obzy push something else. no reason to sheep onto july yet. | ||
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On October 31 2013 01:55 onlywonderboy wrote: That seems...very aggro. I don't think there's anything wrong with giving people a heads up if you're going to be MIA. I mean I guess scum could hide behind those sort of posts, but just just putting a blanket out there that all MIA warnings are scummy seems weird to be. IDC about a heads up mia. No need to give reason on that too. My point is that you shouldn't use those rl reasons to validate someone as town or mafia. There for no reason to give a reason why. Content of posts and activity are what we should scum hunt on IMO. | ||
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as town we need to start consolidating on a lynch. one of the worst things we can do is to not lynch because we don't have majority. I know i am due to say much, and i haven't which sucks for me. So one thing ill say now is we know who the confirmed town is. I "attacked him" by telling him to not sheep what i was saying, and to actually look for something else. As a town i don't need to be buddy buddy with him, and i see no reason for him at the time to push onto a person who had yet to post. I would look closer at the people who are going buddy buddy with Obzy, agreeing with what ever he says. If i die early on esports mafia, ill try to input more tonight. if i don't then it will just have to wait till i get up. so thats just a heads up. | ||
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On October 31 2013 14:54 OdinOfPergo wrote: ROFL LOL I DIED ON THE FLOOR HAHHAHAHAHAHA OMG. OK guys soirry. Seriously. But just look at this. Fucking mod kill this traitor on principle. OKOKOK Sorry, expect to see this same quote when I post my case on him. But I couldn't let this slide ROFL should be pretty obvious it was a bait i mean i own a bw oz jacket ^_^ + Show Spoiler + http://i.imgur.com/ISD2P.jpg | ||
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On October 31 2013 15:06 Obzy wrote: I don't really expect to be sheeped; being confirmed doesn't exactly make my reads better, or more correct. You can just be certain that they're genuine lol. Storr, your post just now, once again, doesn't actually say anything about reads. It talks about general ideas in the game of mafia as a whole, but you don't seem to have opinions on anybody actually in the game except me because I'm IC. I don't really think anybody's done that yet - maybe Von, a little bit, with his read dump - but he's getting quite rightly lambasted for it. Rather, you actually haven't looked closely at anybody, you've merely stated that it would be wise to be wary of the people that are following the confirmed townie, because you yourself are currently that confirmed townie's target blah blah blah. Your recent post didn't actually say anything relevant to the game at hand, even though you're here, and capable of doing so. sheeping you as a mafia is a great way to stay under the radar and provide "content" with out actually doing anything. thinking its not a thing mafia would do is kinda stupid imo like you going on someone, they can follow with little back lash if they flip town, or if they flip mafia they get mega cred for helping to kill a mafia | ||
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On October 31 2013 15:14 Balla24 wrote: Can't you simply say that what you are doing right now, discussing sheepign on the IC (when nobody in particular is doing this, although you might be trying to subtly jab at me, I can't tell) is exactly "a great way to stay under the radar and provide "content" without actually doing anything." Who in particular do you think is doing what you're saying? idk if anyone is sheeping on the IC and i doubt that no one has i havn't been able to read the thread and comb through it yet. | ||
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disappointed its on me but i guess i can't really blame you. . | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:07 cakemanofdoom wrote: Storr's post seems to be just trying to randomly add suspicion on Balla. There's no justification behind it, only a weak suggestion that the post might be bad somehow. Almost like he's hoping for someone else to jump in and find a reason to get Balla lynched. Off the start he is scum hunting. He looked at something that was said and stamped it with his opinion and tbh, i don't think he was reaching when he said "randomly add suspicion on balla" Now looking through the rest of the filter, i don't see any "spam" i see posts looking to drive for scum hunting, he is concerned about himself, but thats shown in his posts. I feel a mafia player would show this concern to his buddies before hand and attempt to not look so concerned with one self. This is a newby game so maybe im wrong on my reasoning here, but im inclined to think he is town. now latter in the game On November 01 2013 01:30 cakemanofdoom wrote: The main thing I have against E00e right now is that he barely talks, and only when prodded. His post content... well, they could be worse. I'd be happier lynching July or Storr than E00e. July's point is decent in his first post, but everything else is just suspicious. Storr just hasn't been seriously helpful. poofter: Sure, the fact that you attack me makes sense. I still don't like the "new evidence" you brought while doing so, and according to you we've agreed to disagree or something like that. From there on, your posts until your case on me make sense, but they also aren't very useful. To reiterate, I think you're scummy because you haven't contributed anything substantial, but you've posted enough that it could be mafia pretending to be helpful. I think I've already phrased it like that, and I don't like how you cherry pick my openmindedness to criticize while ignoring the more direct accusations I make. You've accused me of twisting facts, but right now it seems like you're flat out ignoring some of them. You look very scum at the end of that post. ##Vote: Tehpoofter I'll be back to switch my vote if this doesn't gain traction. E00e if it's the only thing going. July or Storr if enough support. Not sure what to think about nyx? His posts aren't good, and people seem to agree with that, but it also looks like he's getting something of a pass because it's similar to bad posting from a previous game where he was town. Right now, though, he's had two retracted scumreads, and suspicion on poofter. I like the suspicion on poofter, but I'd still lynch if it was the only thing that would go through based on his lack of good posting earlier. Storr... thoughts are the same as in my previous post. Sure, he's recognizable, but it's not much use if he's not reading people. His directing the town to be productive is nice, but it's also fairly common-sense. Seems like an easy way for scum to pretend to be helpful. I was inclined to wait for his reads, but there isn't as much time for that right now. Summary of my vote preferences in order: poofter, Storr, July, E00e, nyx. His vote preference is similar to Obzy, and im inclined to believe he came up with this on his own considering obzy main focus has been on myself. (it also helps he posted this before obzy posted his top 3 lynches) Now i have not gotten around to tehpoofter yet but cake being around and willing to switch his vote near deadline is good for town since we have the majority to lynch | ||
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we will get information out of a vote regardless if they flip town or mafia or SK we will learn something and that will help us this game. the way i see no vote isn't necessarily "mafia move" but it for sure is a horrible town play | ||
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reading filters in between lol games, july is up next. | ||
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On October 31 2013 01:22 July617 wrote: If apologetic-ness/ questiony-ness is suspicious, then doesn't your post sound like a bit of an apology? "You're going to "try" and make reads (Often times mafia "try" to make reads to look like they're contributing ) , and you also agree with Jonny's points but you still question parts of it because they sound like a stretch ? I dunno, maybe i'm reading too into it or maybe i'm not but that's my town post for now . July starts off somewhat strong with his first post. the ending is a bit questionable with having to say" my town post for now" he then defends himself for reasoning to have fewer posts and not to post useless crap, fair enough. Now lets see how the rest of his posts go then. currently.. no read, no read no read no read On October 31 2013 04:12 July617 wrote: Because when I read what other people post, i just don't see what they're grasping for . Now imagine if you felt like that most of the game. People will obviously call you scum when in reality i'd just like a clearer explanation. like i don't understand this post, why are you not saying anything regarding the person? this is his first post regarding scum hunting since his first post imo. yet provides nothing really other than saying its "likely mafia" after this he makes his post to no lynch. It really is a pitty that he doesn't have any (well last post he made) On November 01 2013 03:18 July617 wrote: He's acting allot like Sagaz did in our last game and Sagaz turned out to be mafia, he's really agro for no apparent reason, attacking nyx mostly in his filter on page 2 and then grasping for straws on page 3 . Suspicious yes, either way whoever dies tonight we'll see what they flip whether they be town / mafia / or blue, I honestly feel like we're going in circles here, I'd like to just lynch and be done with it and see what happens day 2. I don't think we're going to get anything more from today, not unless someone screws up and slips . This post is probably the most "scum hunting" he has done all game. I like this post, he has reasons for why he doesn't like Jonnylaw. My issue is he had to be asked directly about this person, and he hasn't actually volunteered reads even though he has been pressured many times to do so. | ||
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the biggest votes right now are on E00e who has had the most people vote on him or pull off voting, and still in the lead with 3 then OdinOfPergo with 3 as well, and then July617 with 2. With the current listed as of right now, i am happy voting one of the 3, so i am content with focusing the rest of today on just these 3. Ill be looking at OdinOfPergo and E00e next to decide if i want to switch with them or stay on july. Regardless a lynch needs to happen, and anyone with a vote not on those 3 imo is hurting town. also @jonnylaw, idk what your complaining for, all your last post did was do nothing and complain that you need more from me. I personally feel i have been stepping up today. and calling me out for asking for a vote count lol? really... | ||
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On November 01 2013 05:26 July617 wrote: Cake i picked him because he's inactive and I though lynching inactive was a priority|? Sure but at this point, unless you have some damning evidence as to why we should switch to cake, its not happening. Too many people are needed to switch to ride a vote on him, and its questionable if we even have enough active people on right now that would be willing to switch to someone like cake. | ||
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need to look more, but his last post is just bleh | ||
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On November 01 2013 06:09 JonnyLaw wrote: @obzy I know what you're saying and I've considered it quite a lot. I've made my points on Odin confusing the thread and won't elaborate. Which lurker would you prefer to lynch in favor of Odin? Nyx? Owb? July? Storr? I've gone over the cases in my head a few times and reread their posting. OWB and Nyx are just difficult to read. July's posting doesn't give me a scummy vibe. I'm neutral there. Storr...I don't know at this point. I like the Odin lynch. Quick question for everyone. If you had control of seven votes who would you lynch today and why? honestly we don't have time for that question cause this game doesn't work like that... we really need to be focusing on the 3 lynches for today.. | ||
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@Jonnylaw if i was a day vig i would shoot you right now. you are disruptive on the vote right now when we only have 2 hours to go. you can switch focus to me tomorrow, but right now its not happening so stop trying to screw with town. | ||
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On November 01 2013 07:42 July617 wrote: I'm building a case give me a few . On November 01 2013 08:16 July617 wrote: Yeah , i've got nothing . Sorry for being a shitty town guys , shitty town maybe or mafia giving up if your town, you need to give us something before you die. probably one of the worst things you can do is tell us your building a case (which we have no idea what this means) and then to say you have nothing | ||
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On November 01 2013 09:11 JonnyLaw wrote: Okay, now that's over lets move on. I asked a question earlier which you all ignored. @everyone Who would you pick to lynch tomorrow if you have seven votes Storr effectively shut down that question without anyone answering when there was a lot of time remaining. I want this answer and I want some substance out of storrzerg. Odin, I still want to lynch you. Never fear that changing until I see something real out of you. think the the purpose of the question you asked... it makes no sense you might as well ask if you could vigi someone who would it be or more realistically who would you vote... | ||
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On November 01 2013 10:23 JonnyLaw wrote: I want people to answer that question so I can see where people stand individually instead of with someone as a shield for them. Is is that hard to see? It's easy to say let's lynch odin, oh no obzy is right let's lynch july. Where do the rest of the july lynch train stand on the next lynch? It's a simple question. I appreciate your answer and sorry I missed it. again asking people for their reasons why they think someone is town or scum does the exact same thing.... | ||
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On November 01 2013 12:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote: yay i wasn't on the wrongwagon! i would think one of the people who voted July is scum, and possibly also include other early-voters-who-went-inactive-before-deadline (sadly includes me) O_o not on the wrongwagon? On October 30 2013 17:14 nyxnyxnyx wrote: asians always get shafted wrt times ): so as promised, i'll try to make some reads this time rather than just not posting. so far i'm liking either Vanesco or cakeman for a day 1 lynch. cakeman constantly questioning himself is questionable (c wut i did thar?) and Vanesco's points are iterated nicely by Jonny above ^, although some parts are a stretch. barring any other sort of information so early on, i would think apologetic-ness / questiony-ness is suspicious to me. hmm gonna make some reads O_o On October 31 2013 04:07 nyxnyxnyx wrote: if i'm getting this right, the vote ends in 5 hours and i have to vote someone. ##Vote: E00e E00e hasn't said much so far, just a placeholder vote in lieu of better options, since i don't think cake or Van are scum after all. doesn't seem to have a personal read on E00e but puts the vote down here. Now we have this change of vote On October 31 2013 23:12 nyxnyxnyx wrote: once again this is a situation where timezones have a real effect. it's now 10 hours to deadline and we don't really have a clear consensus on who to vote for. i'll be around for a bit more but then i'll have to go to sleep before the rest of you guys scramble to vote in the last few hours. i don't like how tehpoofter posts. minus the inactivity thing, he posts a lot more when called to defend himself and makes minimal probes on others, as if he doesn't want to overplay his hand and accidentally reveal something. as such, my vote will be for him right now. ##Vote: Tehpoofter 10 hours a head of time his first real opinion on someone being voted On November 01 2013 02:14 nyxnyxnyx wrote: poofter has more content posted compared to E00e, who had close to nothing at the time of my vote for him. i don't like odin this game, jonny seems fine to me. do not like July either. On November 01 2013 03:51 nyxnyxnyx wrote: majority lynch would make lynching someone even harder come day 2. should just try and get lucky day 1. it's about bed time for me so i'm going back to my original vote for E00e just because it seems like the vote most likely to go through and i'm okay with that. ##Vote: E00e Another change, no real opinion on E00e other than "most likely to go through" , even though he had a much stronger opinion on Tehpoofter imo. And then finally On November 01 2013 05:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i actually believe E00e. let's just say i woke up at 4am for a reason and maybe it's to save you E00e. ##unvote ##Vote: OdinOfPergo Now obviously nyxnyxnyx was not around during the end of the voting. Personally i don't think you have been trying nyxnyxnyx in putting down your opinions on why your voting the way your going. You have quiet few posts for really no input. | ||
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On November 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote: @obzy I think Odin was 100% worth a day one lynch and YOU, no one else are responsible for not letting it happen. I asked you specifically what we need to do in order to lynch Odin and you didn't respond. You're town and you messed up. I don't know if he's worth pursuing beyond day one. We'll see soon. Day one we have a 25% chance of not killing a town player, 33% if you're counting in an SK. That's exactly why I said he's a detriment alive and he's a detriment dead. I explained this and you used it as a counter argument against my case and you lynched july. If you guys want to waste time evaluating me, then do it. Say something so we can move on. No one else has brought a case against a player then entire game except "he's not saying a lot." Do something. Ill be honest with you jonny, if you spent more time trying to convince people that odin was a better vote, instead of asking people bad questions "who would you vote for if you controlled the 7 votes" the vote could have gone to odin. Don't blame this on obzy. Your lack of ability to help swing votes is just as much to blame as Obzy as the IC. | ||
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On November 01 2013 13:59 Balla24 wrote: Holy shit yes Storr. Unfortunately, I couldn't see anything else that Jonny could possibly have picked on though, so even though he might have been a good lynch, him being away through his entire accusation certainly makes it hard to gain anything new. ill be honest, i think jonny had enough to convince me to go to odin, hell imo he had better reasons than myself going on july. | ||
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On November 01 2013 14:27 Balla24 wrote: Like what? I don't agree with this at all.. please elaborate. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=21#403 Quick summary. Odin is all over the place. He blatantly contradicts himself and pressures, then votes cake who will clearly not be lynched if he read the thread. He skimmed the posts and formed general opinions because he doesn't give a fuck who gets lynched. By his own admission he won't be here for another 24 hrs. So we have a spamming lurker on our hands. Kill the bastard. | ||
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On November 01 2013 14:16 nyxnyxnyx wrote: if you compare to last game i'm doing a lot more. better is relative, my friend talking about broken promises, i recall you were advocating a tighter game by towns, but you seem all over the place yourself. coulda condensed a lot of those 'reads' you had on me into one simple sentence, rather than a long post that serves no purpose. are you scum, storr? hardly breaking 10 posts for a 48 hour cycle with only 2 posts of some kind opinion, yet 3-4 vote swaps. | ||
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On November 01 2013 14:16 nyxnyxnyx wrote: if you compare to last game i'm doing a lot more. better is relative, my friend talking about broken promises, i recall you were advocating a tighter game by towns, but you seem all over the place yourself. coulda condensed a lot of those 'reads' you had on me into one simple sentence, rather than a long post that serves no purpose. are you scum, storr? what do are you looking for? I was advocating a lynch and very persistent that we got 7 people on someone. That happened. I tried to give town focus on 3 possible lynches. I gave my opinion. you saying the post is "long" and has "no purpose" w/e i posted it like that, so people could follow my train of thought. I didn't have a lot of fluff in my post. I had direct quotes of you, a sentence or two and an ending. | ||
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idk ill just refer to what i said earlier, if you spent more time trying to push for odin instead of silly questions, maybe something different would have happened. awaiting your reads well have some more information in a few hours as well | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:20 Obzy wrote: Imo Van almost certainly got killed because scum were trying to bluesnipe. Storr, why did you come to the same conclusion? I'm actually reconsidering that now as i'm reading vans filter | ||
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also imo posting a list of the names, and "town" or "scum" "idk" with out any reasons isn't necessarily good thing. it really doesn't help town and its pretty easy to do as mafia, and kind of "slide" with "lists" if you are going to give a list, a sentence or two on each person would really be beneficial | ||
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atm jonny, i was leaning more towards you just pushing bad ideas, but still wanting to do good for town. (although your post that july was obviously town seemed a bit bad to me and i called you out on that) as far as your alignment before the night kill happened, i don't think i would have pressured a vote on you. and cake, i defend you earlier, however I'll need to reread your filter. @ Vonthin you have 9 and 10 listed with no names. also again "lists" @vonthin you list E00e as scummy and @Balla24 you list him as town. could you guys go into more detail why. | ||
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This being the deciding vote on the lynch, and we know Vanesco was town this imo is a good thing. I do believe that town had good intentions on the lynch, we decided to group up on a lynch. I do believe it was a town lead lynch (i helped lead the lynch with the initial vote.) @onlywonderboy, correct me if i'm wrong, you had been unable to change your vote closer to the deadline correct? Will you be active during the next lynch closer to the dead line? Odin is the 8th, he goes from Cake, to JonnyLaw, to July Jonny is the last vote, who goes from vans (poor accusation that gets shot down), to odin, and then to july (who he knew was obviously town) My question to odin and especially jonny is "why did you guys switch when the vote was locked?" imo it was pretty clear that july was going to get lynched specially when jonny switched unless july claimed a blue role. and if he didn't claim, and someone switched off him, it would look super scummy yes? So why did you two feel the need to put your vote on and specially @jonny complain about it after? | ||
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On November 02 2013 10:42 Vonthin wrote: Only thing preventing me from voting for him is if he was mafia why kill the person who was putting the most heat on him? Wouldn't that make him even more suspicious then he already was before Van died? i was thinking this, but i wanted jonny to defend himself before mentioning this. Vans pressured several people, so if this is the case several people have been "marked" Should also look to see who vans thought was town and why. | ||
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you don't' need to act like this. you can get your points across with out being so negative. | ||
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On November 02 2013 14:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote: right now i'm liking StorrZerg for scum. few reasons: 1. vote has popular traction and is likely to take off without dividing town opinion 2. he's not as useful as he promised to be 3. if he's mafia, it'd be a good hit on a more experienced player. if he isn't, then ): i'd like to hear some impassioned defense by StorrZerg if possible. 1. i have no idea what this means 2. i have no idea what you mean 3. rofl? i'm town lkm when you post some actual accusation with reason | ||
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you claim to have read guides on how to play better, well? since im talking about you... On October 31 2013 13:44 nyxnyxnyx wrote: Jonny wasn't lying when he said i was active in LoL subforum. he means i usually post there, not that i was active and posting at that very moment. Odin why you gotta be like that ): all that anger and rage. anyway, unvoting since the vote's still a bit away ##Unvote YOu | ||
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you defend jonny, you want to vote tehpoofter. no real reasons other than "you don't like how he posts" you follow up with a few other reasons, personally i don't think any of them count for much. Again votes OdinOfPergo with no reason at all... says he is happy that he wasn't on the wrong wagon. I pointed at you before nyx, and right now if your not scum, your playing really crapy town. I'm inclined to believe you would do something this day. So why are you a good lynch? You haven't done anything, you don't actually give reasons beyond a word or a sentence at most. Your not playing for town in my eyes. Why are you a bad lynch? What will town learn if you flip mafia? (great we hit mafia woot, other than that nothing) what will we learn if you flip town. Nothing... | ||
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I'm not liking nyxnyxnyx kinda jumping on two possible bandwagons and not really giving any genuine new points about any players and just kinda stealing the ideas others have presented and using them for himself. I don't like how you are (nyx) picking at the way that storr has been formatting his opinion. This is the third time he has formatted that way (cake, july, and now you). I and many others have made long posts, does that make us automatically scum? Anyways nyx, we are trying to currently talk about Jonny and you end up jumping on storr at this moment and redirecting. Could you have waited a bit? (rhetorical question) TBH not much, and kind of expected. | ||
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On November 02 2013 16:03 cakemanofdoom wrote: Storr do you think nyx is a good lynch/mafia or not? I can't really tell from your posts, and I find it suspicious how you've been posting the most about him recently but you still haven't expressed a solid opinion on him. You're looking even scummier to me. Side note: Can you rephrase your post about van's thoughts? I have no clue what you mean by "TBH not much, and kind of expected." i specifically said why he was a good lynch and why he wasn't a good lynch in one of my posts So why are you a good lynch? You haven't done anything, you don't actually give reasons beyond a word or a sentence at most. Your not playing for town in my eyes. Why are you a bad lynch? What will town learn if you flip mafia? (great we hit mafia woot, other than that nothing) what will we learn if you flip town. Nothing... regarding vans. nyx hasn't said or done much thus vans opinion is little. (he does say vans has done some scummy stuff. | ||
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On November 02 2013 16:07 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i think you're clear cakeman, really think Storr's scum right now. ##Vote: StorrZerg won't be changing for anything On November 02 2013 16:10 nyxnyxnyx wrote: btw StorrZerg, +points for impassioned. You have no idea how much i want to lynch for this crap. You did not respond to a single thing, and you didn't even post anything on why. I'm spending far to much time looking at you and dealing with your nonsense. I honestly can't tell if your bad town or scum from this crap. I have to decide if your worth the lynch when i would rather you be contributing to town. and looking at others. I'm trying so hard to make this not a "well nyx called me mafia so nyx has to be mafia now" | ||
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@balla i had asked your guys opinion on E00e because one of you list him as town, one as mafia, but lack of reasoning. As for people i wouldn't want to see lynched today. Balla, Vonthin, jonny (yes i know but he is at least contributing, talking, and moving past his blunt nature i would still like to see more from him.) People that i would be ok with lynching today nyxnyxnyx for now. I still want to look for something better. gonna read the filters of owb and odin next when i get the time. | ||
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On November 03 2013 00:40 E00e wrote: Why are you against Vonthin as a possible lynch candidate Storr? It is just not clear to me from what opinions you and they generally had. he is active, and posting, i see reason to lynch someone who beneficial to town right now. he isn't worth a miss lynch today. You could be a lynch today, you haven't done anything today to make me think other wise. | ||
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I responded and thrashed nyx because he directly attacked and voted on me with poor reasoning. and i would even say he was trying to push a "comfortable lynch because of his 1st point, 1. vote has popular traction and is likely to take off without dividing town opinion | ||
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On November 03 2013 04:20 Balla24 wrote: Because it's been like 12hrs without a claim what claim? and if a town blocked you why would they claim... that just outs a blue role for no reason | ||
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On November 03 2013 04:21 Vonthin wrote: Alright here are some questions for you 1, Why didn't you take your pressure vote off July after he started to post, he didn't look scummy or at least scummy enough to keep the vote on him. I don't blame anyone for voting July but it just seems weird to me you voted for him before he even posted to get posting, and then when he did start posting you didn't take it off. 2. Who else do you think might be scum besides Nyx? At the moment I see you wanting to lynch Nyx as a mafia going after the weakest member of the flock. You said in the past you would work on posting more reads but you never really got around to scum hunting besides Nyx just now 1. why don't you read my filter and then tell me why. I stated why i didn't move my vote. I could just copy and quote my reasoning, but it seems you didn't bother to read my filter so i wont. 2. I'd like to work on that, want to give me 2 people to start on and then ill tell you my opinion on them? And to say i haven't been posting reads is a lie. Just because i don't say "this person is scum" And as far as "who might be with Nyx" i can't answer that because he seems to be like a black sheep. I can however try and read other people and give my opinion on them. If there are only 2 mafia, and even 3 mafia its still a bit hard to try and nail out the scum team with so many people still alive. | ||
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His day 1 and night cycle, i feel good about it. He is scum hunting, he was called out for lying, but i found his response to be genuine. I would not be comfortable lynching him today. I'm reading him as town. | ||
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On November 03 2013 04:49 Vonthin wrote: What are your thoughts on OWB and Poofter currently Just read his OWB filter. Has yet to post today as well OWB i'd lynch him today. Defends Nyx for bad reasons imo on day 1. So maybe they are linked. Votes of him and Nyx kinda link up on E00e. However On November 02 2013 04:52 onlywonderboy wrote: I know Balla just said to stay focused, but I want to make sure we don't let Vonthin slide under the radar here. We have plenty of time before the next lynch so we can focus really heavily after Day 2 starts In regards to Vonith, he has been mentioned a few times but never really put forward as a scum candidate. I realize I haven't been the most active poster, but Vonthin has managed even less content and less pro town information. He pushed e00 when he was the main lunch target but then suddenly changed his mind and decides he "wasn't the best target." This was right before the vote train on July had started on July. I realize Vonith had mentioned July as a scum candidate, but his read didn't say anything else that hadn't been said already. All that means is that he was comfortable joining the July train. Then he said he wasn't to hear from Odin before the July lunch through. Seems like he would have been totally okay jumping on that train as well had it gotten going. So Vonith has sheeped on almost every read and hasn't contributed any original content. Seems pretty scummy to me. That being said, i do like this post. The intentions behind it. | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:12 Balla24 wrote: No... however it is very likely, especially considering I was roleblocked. You need to drop this now... I see no reason to lynch balla to see if he was actually role blocked... could he be mafia saying this? sure could he be town saying this? sure Him flipping would tell us quite a bit regarding if a mafia has a role blocker. I see no point lynching him today, to see if he lied about being role blocked. This information will be available to us when balla flips regardless. He is being far to active in this game while we have far to many inactive players to even consider lynching him today. | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:19 cakemanofdoom wrote: Storr thoughts on poofter? vonthin asked you about him too. nothing yet... doing some other stuff atm ill get back on him latter. happy to see the thread picking up though | ||
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as i said I SEE NO POINT IN LYNCHING HIM (balla) TODAY | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:27 Balla24 wrote: But you're looking at situations, what's the point of doing that ??? ESPECIALLY if i'm not a lynch candidate. So I'm not allowed to look into the situation? I don't' see that in the rules. again balla, stop freaking out. | ||
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I actually don't' want to lynch him. I really liked the pressure he put on cake as well as his reasoning. my only problem, was he followed cake, to vote july. I feel if he was town he would have expressed more concern with following his #1 scum read onto the july vote. Honestly this is the biggest scum feeling i get from tehpoofter. If i take that out, i read him fairly town. | ||
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and i have far more people leaning town, who i wouldn't be interested in lynching today obzy balla jonny odin Vonthin tehpoofter null on cake E00e i don't think i missed anyone.. | ||
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leads me to believe more that nyx is scum and trying to slide under the radar when pushing the vote on me | ||
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as for why a town would rb balla? idk. but my point stands that with this set up it could have happened. no reason to grill me for bringing it up... If you believe bella's claim, then imo you pretty much treating him as a confirmed town. I personally can't say im willing to treat him as a confirmed town just cause he said he got role blocked. again.... i never wanted to lynch balla today. i only explained what would happen if we did... i haven't answered any of the questions brought up to me? are you kidding me? i spent so much time yesterday answering questions yesterday. Now i am willing to call that a blatant lie from you odin. Maybe you need to reread the past few pages since you hadn't been online. | ||
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##Vote: nyxnyxnyx 1. latches on to vote me (after others r wexpressed concerns about myself) 2. says he will not change vote no matter what. (so basically if it comes down to lynching someone else, and 1 more vote is needed, he will not move no matter what.) 3. Has not contributed anything today besides his attack on myself 4. On November 02 2013 16:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i think it was something i read in the quicktopic about how we should think about why people say the things they do, rather than the things they actually say. you seem ok, not quite sure how to put it in words. He doesn't actually explain any of this. This is the "reason" for voting me. Which makes absolutely no sense. 5. He has no read on me the first cycle. the only convo we had was about myself calling him inactive, and he was saying he had improved since his last game and that it was "relative" I will not buy this poor excuses. For apparent lack of involvement in this game. As well as his sheeping reads. 6. Like to end with his first point on his attack against myself vote has popular traction and is likely to take off without dividing town opinion "Vote has popular traction" no one has voted me besides nyx. People have voiced their concerns about myself yes. Why does he bring it up as a reason for himself to vote me? I'll tell you, because he is sheeping. He also says "likely to take off without dividing town opinion" Why would this be a good thing? I'll tell you its not. Town having a different views on players is good. When flips happens we learn information. If everyone wanted to vote me off, and it happened. When i flip town what does that tell town? Nothing since everyone pushed on me. So now i ask the rest of town. Why would you want a player like this in your game? Why would you want this inactive sheeping player that adds nothing to town. This play feels like mafia to me, and I want to remove it. His filter from last game.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430766&user=nyxnyxnyx Yes low post count However i feel his reads are actual reads, and not just sheeping. (at least one he states "I don't actually think istandwithmitt is mafia, although he is a bad poster." ) He has some passion in his defense. He shows concern about the set up and game ending too quickly. and at one of his lasts posts before dieing " i have no idea who the fuck is town or scum, just not me." he feels like a different player this game, still shrouded in "inactive/few posts" but the ones he does have vs last game read different to me. | ||
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Odin really only made 2 points on me. And the largest one, and most vocal point he was making was the RB crap, which he miss read. And the other yelling at me because i might change my vote, which i shot down. Cake you got nothing, your trying to frame me up right now and i don't like it. And btw, i'm sorry if im not answer everyones questions that are sent my way. A lot have been sent, and its easy to miss. | ||
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On November 04 2013 02:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote: ^ if anything this is solid evidence for StorrZerg being scum Is around when my post goes live still has not said anything helpful for town the kind of person scum is, Be around, don't contribute unless needed | ||
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often its hard for me to judge between bad and scum. Since scum are trying to get people lynched on "things that are not there" Scum know who town are, and they have to try and convince town that person is scum. It is far easier to sheep, than come up with your own original reads, which you know are wrong. All town players are in the dark, we don't know who anyone is, and this is a game of lies and secrets. we all get bad reads sometimes, but that's life. Example, look at july. Before the vote passed. He was a good lynch, he seemed to "fit the bill" and the "town" (yes i say town, since the Majority of town voted 9 out of 13) Thought july was a good lynch. Obviously my read on him, was wrong in regards to him being scum. However i still feel, he was playing bad town. Also look to the vote, look as to why july started to take off. We had E00e, and Odin. Odin who i have said is a pretty good town read today, however losing points because he has miss read my posts and is making an attack on nothing (this is a bad town thing to do and it is also a scum thing to do.) | ||
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On November 04 2013 02:44 cakemanofdoom wrote: Wait.. that post came really fast after Storr's. So I'm guessing nyx is lurking more than he posts or something? ding ding ding... | ||
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On November 04 2013 02:58 cakemanofdoom wrote: Storr, just calling people sheep doesn't excuse you from suspicion. I never said it did... Why do you bring this up at all as an "attack" I say attack, because i don't know any other way to read it. But anyways, the main argument against you so far has been your uselessness, which you're only just starting to change by directly accusing nyx of being scum. There isn't that much room for original arguments when the target in question is just sitting around being not helpful. Useless as a "scum tell" seems pretty ambiguous in this game. Sorry if the only way to be "Useful" in mafia is to say "your scum" yeah i call bull on that too. I assume the latter part is directed at me, for your inability to form your own opinions. I have posted a fair bit, and imo contributed far more than your making me out to be. So again, stop sheeping Cake. you just keep moving down and down. Though I think I was the first/main one to say that your guiding the town rather than finding scum is scummy, since it should be much easier for scum to make some common-sense posts about town direction. And compared to other useless people, I think you're among the top because you've been making the most posts, meaning you're doing the most blending in and trying to seem helpful even when you weren't being very productive. Sorry that im trying to actively contribute between doing other things? Honestly pushing common sense is a null tell. I'd do it as town, Scum, SK, Blue. W/e I do it in RL and Video mafia as well. Can't tell you how many times i've scene people go off on the wrong thing, or lynch the wrong person because the common sense wasn't pointed out. Yeah and the last part, your looking for something thats not even there. Not to mention that's a weak reason to lynch someone. Cake your basically saying "storr your trying hard, your not actually doing anything, there are other useless people not trying hard, but because your trying hard you should be lynched" Do you see how stupid that sounds? Anyways, now that you've actually called nyx scum I'll look into that and reevaluate you a bit. Honestly i should be happy your re-looking me right? Well i can't say that makes me feel any worse or better, considering your falling lower and lower into scum zone. | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:06 nyxnyxnyx wrote: 1. you say i latched on to a vote on you, yet you deny that the vote has popular traction. which is it? I say you latch, because you say so yourself that you think the vote has popular traction. That is you latching on. I deny the vote has traction, because no one else has slapped their vote down. Many others are pushing more than one person as well. You are not. 2. you claim to not want to lynch me even though you really want to, then you proceed to make a case for it. why? Read other filters, did not find anyone better to lynch over you. So now i want you lynched. 3. your 5th point is basically saying you want to lynch me for not being too active, even though you concede that i tend to not be active anyway, based on previous games. Sure, but i also explain why i think your play this game is different than your last game. 4. "So now i ask the rest of town. Why would you want a player like this in your game? Why would you want this inactive sheeping player that adds nothing to town. This play feels like mafia to me, and I want to remove it." so basically, 'not scum, but please lynch this guy!!!' No basically your playing like scum, so i want you gone. 5. "he feels like a different player this game..." cool, i'm not the only one to have feels Yeah, your last game was town, you feel different, i am reading you as playing differently, i am reading you as being scumy and trying to sheep your self this day. You literally have done nothing this day besides throw out sheeping accusations on myself. | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:25 cakemanofdoom wrote: As for you Storr... the nyx case seems to be based purely on the bad posts he made against you. Sensible thing to do, but it doesn't change the fact that just about the only people you've talked about are the people you were directly asked about or the people who've made posts about you. Plus imo it took way too long to prod you into finding scum. Basically, the nyx post doesn't do that much to change my opinion of you (though if you're wondering, it's improved). Not sure what you can do right now to completely clear yourself in my eyes. Well, I've said about everything I wanted about you. I'm happy with a lynch on you today, but if you avoid a lynch and continue being helpful I might seriously revise my thoughts on you. . Bad pints against myself, and other scummy behavior as well yes. You realize nearly everyone has asked me to say something, or have said something about me... A bad point your bringing up. "Took to long" Sorry if my approach to the game is different than yours.... on the note of "taking to long" Yeah lets just disregard half the town now because they have been inactive on Halloween. People live outside of this game cake, and im not one that usually cares to bring my RL into this game. I have reasons for being "inactive" and sometimes other people have pointed out why i am "inactive" How about you stop looking at arbitrary crap that has nothing to do with scum or town. I prefer to post, and do things in the game, rather than explain my inactivity from outside events. | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:32 nyxnyxnyx wrote: dat b sum fine circular logic you still got over 5 hours today to actually post something... and since the post is quite long, i have no idea what your referring to. | ||
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On November 04 2013 02:54 LoneMeow wrote: JonnyLaw (1): onlywonderboy (2): Vonthin, Obzy StorrZerg (1): nyxnyxnyx Vonthin (1): Balla24 nyxnyxnyx (1): StorrZerg Not voting (5): Tehpoofter, onlywonderboy, E00e, JonnyLaw, cakemanofdoom So we need 6 to lynch, closest being OWB. and 4 others with 1 vote including myself. We have 5 who have not put down there vote. I suggest they not put their vote down on someone new, unless you have a very very good case i doubt we will be able to get enough people to vote that person. It is also very likely we will not get enough votes to put on anyone today. I want a lynch to happen, and i have said i believe nyxnyxnyx is the best lynch today, and that i would lynch OWB. I really urge people to start putting down there votes sooner rather than latter. | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:43 Balla24 wrote: I think both nyx and OWB are silly lynches... they're both similar to july (pre-july-defense) that I can't get a full read on them... their plays are erratic and I can't see a reasoning for them. They aren't pushing anyone hard. If it ends up being one of them I would rather go with OWB as a feeling over any substance, but I think they are both bad lynches. Would much rather lynch Vonthin/Poofter (I put these two together since I see them on a similar level almost), Storr and finally Jonnylaw as my last lynch target. Would appreciate it if everybody put their votes down though... there's only like 5 hours or so left and half of us haven't voted... instead of saying silly lynches. Why don't you post a defense for them? or explain why they are town. On the note that you cant' get a full read on them, do you think you would be able to get a full read on them if they continue with how they are playing? | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:54 cakemanofdoom wrote: Addressing Storr: I was kinda buying this for a while, but I can't say I agree with this much in the end. Yeah, you can do other things in mafia that are helpful, but nothing's on the same level as finding scum and accusing them imo. Town wins by killing the mafia. | ||
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btw no duh town wins by killing mafia. And saying right now that im not scum hunting is a blatant lie. You have said, i have taken "too long" to make my reads" I have given an opinion on pretty much every person in this game so far. You are not attacking my reads at all, you are attacking me because i was "slow" to come up with them. | ||
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On November 04 2013 05:29 Balla24 wrote: I don't feel it necessary yet... I somewhat defended them anyways. Why don't you post a defense on the other lynch targets? first i need to defend myself from cakes bad accusation... and then ill defend tehpoofter and if i have time work on von | ||
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Yup, you'd push your common sense as any alignment. So why not do something towny if you're town? I don't think you were so busy as to be unable to be town for so long after the game started, especially if you were able to post your common sense. Even Odin was able to form some opinions on people, and his rl looks like a total mess. again i have posted.. so what if it took me time to form opinions. lynching me for being slow is bad... Now, we can debate over whether or not you were fake contributing or actually contributing. I maintain that almost all your contributions throughout the game were "fake" and designed to make yourself look good rather than help town win. I'm not sure I can go into this part more than I already have. idk how to defend myself from this... im town... i'm being honest with everything i've said... Too many of your posts had gone by without you doing the most important thing: catch and push lynches on scum. Meanwhile, those posts would have been really easy for scum to make to look good; you yourself say that you'd make those posts regardless of alignment. You ended up following town on July day one, before going back to your common sense posts. But i have posted about catching and lynching scum. Just because the majority of my posts are not "lynch this person" does not make me scum. I followed july day 1? Did i not start the vote? Did i not pressure him when his defense was weak? I didn't move my vote, because there was no other option to secure a lynch. You sir are wrong on the july comments... | ||
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Now, you're pushing nyx. I had thought he was too nooby to tell if he's scum or just noob town. I'll admit, with his recent posts his lack of explanation is really grating on me. Regardless of his alignment I want more, though I'd imagine the mafia qt would shout at him to stop making posts lacking in reason? I am getting more comfortable with a lynch on him, though I think there's still too decent a chance that he's just being nooby. I like that you push him, though, and that you've stated a solid opinion now. Or they are telling him to be quiet, and just slide by. very good chance he won't be lynched that way since to many people are saying they want more.... And no one else has voted him... why should he post? And now you voted me, so that takes even more pressure off him | ||
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On November 04 2013 06:46 JonnyLaw wrote: Owb you really should look at poofter. He's scummier to me at this point. I'd rather stay with him than move onto Von, but if it's an option that will go through I'm okay with that idea. @storr that's a great point about nyx but he's been getting that pressure all game. Do you think he's playing differently since the start? Honestly at the start of the game, he was doing better, at least "trying" imo. right now, he was obviously on line when i posted. Which imo means he has been reading the thread and lurking with out actually wanting to provide content. | ||
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On November 04 2013 06:58 OdinOfPergo wrote: My prefered day 1 lynch is probably looking Vonthin or Storr. I feel about the same on both of them and Storr making a quest against Nyx really makes me dislike him even more. If he stores getting votes I'm fine with changing over to it. give me a reasons why nyx is a bad lynch then... on a side note... why are lurkers a bad lynch on day 2. we have 2 hours to come together on a vote.. and it looks like i can't convince anyone to go on nyx which i find silly. | ||
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On November 04 2013 07:22 OdinOfPergo wrote: --Nyx The whole time he's been strait fward and confident in his pushes. The only real place he doesn't do this is very early D1 with E00? vote. Looks to me like he just mis-understood how long the day cycle was. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 02:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote: E00e was a crapshoot when i thought the voting was closing in 5 hours time. at that point E00e had pretty much nothing posted and was pretty much just a lurker vote for me to fulfill the 'must vote' condition. Considering he's right in his logic, the town didn't have any consensus, what's wrong with his reasoning? + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 02:14 nyxnyxnyx wrote: poofter has more content posted compared to E00e, who had close to nothing at the time of my vote for him. i don't like odin this game, jonny seems fine to me. do not like July either. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 05:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i actually believe E00e. let's just say i woke up at 4am for a reason and maybe it's to save you E00e. ##unvote ##Vote: OdinOfPergo We then get closer to the end of the day and he moves his votes around to whoever he is getting bad vibes from. While not being any level of in-depth, I can't say that suprises me. But when I look at his post from the time, it seems to me all his votes are justified at the time he post them. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 14:16 nyxnyxnyx wrote: if you compare to last game i'm doing a lot more. better is relative, my friend talking about broken promises, i recall you were advocating a tighter game by towns, but you seem all over the place yourself. coulda condensed a lot of those 'reads' you had on me into one simple sentence, rather than a long post that serves no purpose. are you scum, storr? This is how Nyx plays. He's going to tell you what he thinks, he's not really going to give you a lot to work with. He wants everyone to think for themselves for opinions. While this doesn't greatly help the town, it is something and certainly not hurting it. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 18:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote: any analytical soul wants to put the current conflicts into a nice, easily analyzable form so we can deduce relationships? Pro-town. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2013 01:48 nyxnyxnyx wrote: after going through both filters: jonny has some strong belief that july is not scum. this belief is proven correct when july flips town, so he's now mad that no one listened and is taking it out on you in particular because you prodded him. you are answering his questions, but not to his liking. at this point it seems like both of you are just getting pissy at each other when i believe both are in fact, town. Pro-town.. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2013 02:12 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i don't blame anyone for the july vote. if we went by what transpired last game and how he eventually flipped SK, i think it wasn't out of the question to think he could be non-town. Pro-town.. If he was just throwing random votes everywhere for no reason, then it would be hurting the town. But if you actually look into why he mentions something, it does usually make some sort of sense. His post are hard to read, to garner anything from them you have to look at the context surrounding them. Because he's not going to hold your hand while you do it. This is why I think your case on him is crap. Everything he's done this game makes me think he's town. Ok that was entirely day 1... I will give you, day 1. But his play day 2 has been abysmal. nothing like his day 1. We need to get a vote, and im not doing any good pushing on nyxnyxnyx ##Unvote: | ||
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On November 04 2013 07:41 OdinOfPergo wrote: His day 2 consist of the same style of play with less activity. I don't like the fact he's mia most of the time but I don't think he's scum for it. His D2 focus is mainly about you and I don't like you that much myself. he has been around day 2.. he responded asap to my post. and since then made 1 kinda post. and then rest 1 liners and then afk'd but there is no more point talking about him today. since we need a lynch. | ||
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and odin there is no point asking peoples opinions on nyx. he isn't going to change his vote, and i don't think there are enough people to vote him out. It honestly would be a very sketch vote to suddenly have 2-3 people switching on him. As far as lurkers, idk how forum lurking is in any way beneficial to town, but in RL or video mafia, i lynch those guys with fire... and i thought my case on nyx was good | ||
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i don't understand why you are waiting | ||
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i dont' have a good reason to go on him... but we need a lynch and we are running out of time ##vote: tehpoofter | ||
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you could count on tehpoofter to vote for owb to save his own skin probably i have no idea what obzy is doing with his vote. nyx is not going to switch what so ever (srsly how is this a town thing to do) | ||
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tehpoofter might as well be mod killed since he hasn't put a vote up... | ||
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but still 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. if he isn't voting, why don't we switch? he will just get mod killed rather go OWB (not sure what the vote count is let me check) | ||
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On November 04 2013 08:52 Vonthin wrote: Does the no conditional voting thing count if you don't say anything? I know if you say vote for no vote like July did its ok but if you just don't straight up say anything is it ok? If he doesn't vote and get mod killed then we are wasting a lynch yeah thats my point... | ||
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and JonnyLaw, Balla24, cakemanofdoom, OdinOfPergo obzy vonthin (6) on tehpoofter literally the only votes that can move to OWB right now are people on tehpoofter everyone else is inactive | ||
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##vote: tehpoofter just in case 1 min to go | ||
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Still willing to go on OWB | ||
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On November 04 2013 09:02 JonnyLaw wrote: Daylight savings bro. I do not want to switch to owb. I'd prefer Von or E00e. E00e can't happen imo, no one has voted for him and its very unlikely we have 6 people online able to switch, let alone willing to switch to him. Von is nearly in the same boat, the only person who has voted for him is OWB... | ||
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On November 04 2013 09:17 cakemanofdoom wrote: I thought we had 7 before Storr and Vonthin both switched off onto owb. Yeah, looks like no one's set to be lynched atm. im back on tehpoofter.... | ||
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On November 04 2013 09:15 JonnyLaw wrote: Storr makes me suspicious as well. He's helpful but not directing town except to take the lead on july who was town. Storr won't get lynched today. Drop it until day post at least please. well thanks for that at least. I'd say i am trying to direct town. I am trying to push what i think is right. I am willing just as yesterday to listen. As for directing town, i pushed the lynch i wanted. I've expressed my concern on nearly everyone in the game. And i have made it pretty clear what needs to happen for a lynch today, and trying my best to make sure it actually happens even if i can't convince town to go on my own reads. | ||
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On November 04 2013 09:23 Tehpoofter wrote: Well shit. I haven't read the thread just looking at votes adn know i have to vote. Looks Like I'm about to be hung :/ ## Vote Onlywonderboy better post something else as well you still have some time | ||
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On November 04 2013 09:47 Tehpoofter wrote: @Storr don't agree with me on the cake/johnny thing? I mean I assume since you're ignoring it you don't like my reasoning? Van clearly got lynched for a reason you still think it was scum hunting? I mean thats one reason to look at that night kill. I do think he was target because of his actions, because of his scum hunting, and not because he might be a blue role. He did look at more than just those 2. Considering how cake pressured myself today, i will be looking into him next cycle. Specially if you flip town. | ||
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On November 04 2013 10:03 OdinOfPergo wrote: Oh this is interesting.. I guess I'm going to have to re-evaluate my read on you Jonny. tbh, i couldn't imagine this kind of push to bus a partner on day 2 with plenty of other options to lynch. Might be more clear now on why Vans was lynched. Setting up cake/jonny is possible (more so on making jonny clear today than cake imo) | ||
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On November 04 2013 10:04 Balla24 wrote: I think we look at Vonthin/Storr. I was very convinced of Vonthin/Poofter yesterday, end of the day actions make me even more sure of that and I'd add Storr to that list as well... plz put your case on me early as for cute interactions. Said very similar things to july before he got lynched, instead he gave up. tehpoofter was still posting i saw no reason to not talk to him and get all his information out, even if it was misinformation | ||
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On November 04 2013 10:07 Balla24 wrote: I wasn't really paying attention for a while now... but I would certainly consider StorrZerg and Vonthins' votes as possible busses... look how late and how hesitant they were. your damn right i was hesitant. but i also made it clear we needed a lynch to happen. I also switched nearly the same time as odin... Not to mention how easy is it to just "not be around" I honestly could have just left, with a vote on OWB, or kept it on NYX and the vote on tehpoofter could have failed... | ||
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I am happy to defend myself otherwise, but don't be so hasty to define lynch targets right now | ||
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On November 04 2013 11:27 Balla24 wrote: I don't get this... why should we stop discussing next day lynch targets? We barely settled on a lynch today... it's not like it hurts us at all... sure they get a better idea of who to kill but we also get a better idea of who to use our blue abilities on, and we get all the information we possibly can out there. That is not what im saying... I'm saying its stupid to form a plan now, saying "we should def put only von storr" on the chopping block. honestly imo we should be looking at tehpoofter, what he said, his reads. and get information from that as a priority, look back on day to see who he pushed etc... | ||
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He goes hard on Cake Doesn't like Johnny defends myself, says he has null opinion on me. Says it would be easy to get me lynched His vote swapping on day 1 is interesting. As well as asking nyx to consider july or odin over E00e (tehpoofter switches latter to E00e) He switches to July as the (3rd or 4th person, i'd have to check it out to be sure) (also looking at the july vote, the vote that looks the scummiest to switch to him is Vonthin (6th person to vote july)) | ||
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On November 04 2013 11:45 Balla24 wrote: Storr... how come all day you were angry that we weren't lynching inactives (onlywonderboy/nyxnyx) but start becoming weird about lynching poofter? He was inactive too... you only brought up the fact that he wasn't voting till way later... and were mad about us not lynching inactives earlier then that without considering poofter as inactive.. had a town read on him when i first brought out OWB and nyx. he had "softly defended me" and agreed with some of my points. That was enough to push him out of my mind. I don't think i ever denied him being inactive. as for the differences, he was clearly just not here. and then "showed up" and could you point out the "weird stuff" | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:10 Balla24 wrote: Can you elaborate on your town read of him? Or point me to somewhere that you already posted it (if you did) So i started out On November 03 2013 05:35 StorrZerg wrote: just throwing it out, i haven't reread tehpoofter filter yet, but i'd probably lynch him today. only 2 pages shouldn't take that much time when im done with my calls to check him out First On November 03 2013 08:18 Tehpoofter wrote: I gave my case on cake and concluded that I didn't think enough people agreed with me to get a lynch yesterday and I wanted to make sure of a lynch so I basically said I was going to table that thought until tomorrow. I then went on E00e who at the time I thought was most scummy of the vote getters then later in the day after July had made his no lynch posts plus his "safe lynch" on me I changed to July tbh I didn't really notice that cake had moved his vote to July at the time something that would have made me way more hesitant. On November 03 2013 05:53 StorrZerg wrote: After finishing tehpoofter filter, yet another person who has yet to contribute to today. I actually don't' want to lynch him. I really liked the pressure he put on cake as well as his reasoning. my only problem, was he followed cake, to vote july. I feel if he was town he would have expressed more concern with following his #1 scum read onto the july vote. Honestly this is the biggest scum feeling i get from tehpoofter. If i take that out, i read him fairly town. (this was posted before his response ) and to be honest, he responded to me. and then i stopped looking at him from this point. Since i had to defend myself very hard for quite a long time. | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:26 Balla24 wrote: Hmm... understandable. No more questions from me, you should probably take a break from this game you've been here all day.. planned for this day to just not do much. and focus heavily on this game :/ I am enjoying myself with video mafia, i just happened to die n0, so more time to spend here | ||
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I think its very likely that the other mafia voted tehpoofter leads me to think that one of the outlying people is mafia. nyx E00e and owb | ||
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nyx then switches to odin. latter on tehpoofter switches to E00e, and says he miss read him and was "blinded" by what he said, and then he thought E00e was scummy | ||
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second game has started im not dead woot :D | ||
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From what i gather my conversation is "interesting" with tehpoofter. and it "makes sense if i flip scum" got anything else besides "interesting" cause im town | ||
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you can read into it how you wish, but that is why i posted that. | ||
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To much "planning" is in the air right now. Also tehpoofter last words are on johnny/cake looking at cake, what motivation does tehpoofter have to go on cake at the end? Its Clear vote will not flip So why does he say cake. | ||
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I know I'm in no danger of dieing. I have way to much pressure against myself. what does mafia gain by killing me at night? which is why I'm concerned with either of you leaving concrete plans. Cause its clear why mafia would kill balla or johnny. also at biting, sure thatsthat's the easy answer. Do you think he talked to his mafia buddies? Asking what to do? He should have known he was dead when he made his first post. When he read his mafia qt. What happens if he did not banter with myself? If he gave up like july? I don't think it was as simple as you make it out to be. | ||
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and I am not against talk.... stop putting words in my mouth. | ||
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im Worried for myself because it is setting up mafia for sure to kill him to miss lynch me. | ||
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name a person who has yet to call me scummy ive been one of the most active in this game and it just makes me laugh how people say i have been inactive | ||
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On November 05 2013 07:06 JonnyLaw wrote: @storr I pressured balla early on day 2 and he raged. If balla's scum I could see sacrificing poofter or even von if he's truly scum as well. Then balla looks legitimately clean and he'll make it till the end. Game over town. I don't like your cryptic you won't be killed smiley post though. Why not just respond to what I said about you. Your play is worse than July's or Nyx or Owb at this point. You want to lynch the lurkers yet you post and never say anything. All I get out of you is arguments which throw the town into confusion. Stop the cryptic argumentative bull shit and say who you want lynched today, respond to my posts on you and what are you opinions of Vonthin are as of now. can't lynch anyone today dork and before you yell at me for being nit picky ill try and get it done before 8 | ||
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On November 05 2013 07:32 JonnyLaw wrote: I never said inactive. I said you push inactive players. Then you post nothing about legit scum reads. We made a case on poofter and you still want to lynch inactive targets. I want you to help the town. Lynching lurkers on day 2 does nothing. If we're right we kill scum. If we're wrong we learn nothing. It's the same argument I had against July being lynched and oyu pushed that one hard. You're not new to this game. You're not stupid. Help us win this game. What do you think of Vonthin and Odin at this point in the game? I don't care what you think about nyx, owb or E00e. you maybe. check how many times i've been called out for "inactive" "not full filling promise to be active" seriously check it out.. Pretty obvious a mafia is pushing me or hiding in with the pushes. | ||
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On November 05 2013 07:37 Balla24 wrote: ROFL. Fight fight fight!! tonight will have a lot to tell about you as well and I've decided idc about speculating about stuff right now. Regarding why balla will not die tonight. My thoughts about your claim. I don't think mafia can risk shooting you. You claimed to be role blocked, you might just get "roleblocked again" If mafia shoot you, then we know they have a role blocker. If your mafia, you obviously won't die. cause of that. We can assume if there is a mafia role blocker, there has to be roles worth role blocking based on the set up. We can also conclude that the set up has at least 2 towns. I'd bet the set up has more VT than that. It is still possible an sk is around. | ||
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On November 05 2013 07:43 JonnyLaw wrote: @storr You've said three times now to lynch your accusers. I'm not certain that's what you're saying with "you maybe" but it seems that way. Twice about me and once about nyx when questioned about who you want to lynch and why. I was the one backing you up when others said you want to be active. I'm not calling you nit picky. I'm just asking questions that get no answers. And I know we cannot lynch someone "today." Today refers to next day phase. I think that's fairly obvious why hit on semantics and not answer my questions? 3x to lynch my accusers? Who hasn't accused me yet................................................. seriously? who has not said that storr could be scum? maybe owb? idk still tell me. also i answered your question about semantics, not sure why you felt the need to bring that up | ||
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On November 05 2013 07:42 Balla24 wrote: You're killing yourself Storr, you're killing yourself! Attacking the two confirmed townies AND discussing night kill when we've made it clear why we shouldnt talk about night kill. The fact you are so certain you are town is funny to me. No one has cop checked either of you and confirmed it. Get off your high horse on being confirmed. again, im gonna talk about night actions because i like discussing set up, i like talking about this shit. i don't care if it looks scummy. Again your getting someone in this game who is not used to reading pages and pages of shit, and plays mafia off gut and reactions and confirming people based on set up. | ||
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On November 05 2013 07:46 Balla24 wrote: Uhm... Storr the defense of everybody is pushing you is pretty bad.. we haven't even gotten to votes yet... and none of the other possible mafia have commented. don't care if the defense is bad. fkin hope a cop checks me so i have some ability to play next day phase | ||
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On November 05 2013 07:52 Balla24 wrote: I'm pretty sure talking about mafia night kills is scummy regardless of what style of mafia you are playing. video/RL during night phase no one talks. and night actions are preformed at night. so of course we talk about the night kills and yes we make a point to not direct cop checks or vig shots or medic checks to prevent mafia from screwing with night actions But we all ready had johnny martyring himself off to die... so all cards are off the table in my eyes | ||
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but regardless there are still people who have yet to break 4 pages... There is plenty to talk about... E00e, OWB, nyxnyxnyx, cake , Vonthin, OBZY (i know he is the IC so don't even yell at me for putting him on this) | ||
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On November 05 2013 07:58 Balla24 wrote: Nah dude... Jonny "martyring" himself was similar to a cop who got a red check sharing his reads before the town goes through with a formal in video chats... he's just saying "incase I die, here are my reads" nothing wrong with that, when he is townie in almost everyone's view... On November 05 2013 05:28 JonnyLaw wrote: Going into tomorrow all I have to say is On November 05 2013 06:01 JonnyLaw wrote: In order storr > odin > vonthin > owb > E00e > nyx for lynch candidates as of this moment. yeah excuses me if i take this as johnny knowing he will die.. hell even johnny admits it was too "planned" the difference in this game and video/rl when someone dies they don't flip. so a cop would never say that and say in case i die with out claiming. | ||
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What do you think of Vonthin and Odin at this point in the game? I don't care what you think about nyx, owb or E00e. I had a town read on odin, until he started doing weird shit and then starting going on the lets lynch storr train As for vonthin, he makes the most sense as scum for a person to be picked for their voting for previous 2 days imo. I really didn't have much of a case to not vote him yesterday, other than he was active. And because i felt he was active i didn't care to lynch him. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:06 Balla24 wrote: Well if you have anything new to say about people not E00e, Owb, nyx then I welcome it....... spoke too soon did you | ||
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hard to be decisive when everyone is against you. not to mention day has yet to hit. Took me a while yesterday to narrow down my lynch options but i did. (i say a while, took me nearly the first half of day 1 iirc) Will probably do the same again when day phase hits. btw if i happen to make it further on (past tomorrows lynch) I am going to blizzcon. it will be hard to be active in this thread and follow it to a key. i can keep the minimum of 1 post and vote for sure. (particularly the Saturday lynch) but ill be back on sunday. i could be like you and johnny and post my preferred lynch order. but i don't see the point. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:56 JonnyLaw wrote: @balla the point is discussing our lynch for tomorrow. I'm following your post from yesterday and we came to a consensus and lynched poofter. @obzy Your reads have been helping the town. I should not have raged at you. As I said, a long week for me. Of all of the posts I write then delete that's the most regrettable. @storr Why give up? If you're town, give us something. No one is committed to lynching you. I'm not letting you off this easy. What "weird shit" did odin post? His first day was the worst day. And why von's voting pattern when it mirrors yours? Wouldn't say i've given up yet.. possible given up that town can make the right choice about myself. As to no one is committed to lynching myself. Maybe we have different opinions on the matter. But put yourself in my shoes as a town. tell me you don't come to the conclusion that nearly everyone has made a case against myself to lynch me. As for my voting over Vonthin. We do differ quite a lot from day 1. Hell one thing that is fishy about Vonthin, iirc he asked me why i didn't pull my vote off july. (sorry if i get the names wrong ill have to check who exactly asked the question) But i respond with, read my filter and you tell me. And i don't think he responded to that. but as for why i stayed on july. He had done nothing to convince me to move to anyone else. His first post was a decent start. but after a few posts it was clear. And near the end, he just plan and simple gives up. And honestly at the end, i really didn't care so much about him being town or mafia, i was more concerned with getting a lynch off for information. I was willing to switch votes, if someone presented a case that i liked and could back. Johnny iirc actually did present a case (i think against odin) where he lied. To say we are similar on day 1 is wrong. Day 2 you could say we did similar things yes. I felt i was pretty clear on my stance. I was willing to switch votes, but not at the cost of having a no lynch day. Specially onto someone who i thought was more mafia than tehpoofter. (being owb) cake for all his crap yesterday, and for how much he kept falling and doing scummy things in my eyes was never considered realistically for a lynch at the end of day 2. | ||
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On November 05 2013 09:04 Obzy wrote: Oh also just as a quick aside, if a cop checked someone and got back town, it doesn't confirm them, they could easily be godfather. If a cop checks someone and gets back scum, it confirms them as antitown, and we should lynch without hesitation. (If it was a fakeclaim, then we just lynch the fake-claimer the following day.) --> That said, I think a cop should not check Storr, since if he has confidence asking for a check, if he's scum, he's godfather. And either way, it doesn't confirm him one way or another. *shrug* And when I said [myself excepted] - I was talking about me, not in your voice :x I don't think you ever implied I was scum. Last - "looking at the options, where the options are everyone" might as well just be a full reset. There are better lynches than Balla and Jonny at this point. Yes, if it was 2v1 lylo, it would be worth considering everybody. Right now, I don't really think it is. Probably gone until after work~ fair point about the cop check on me. as for "full reset" your again confused, just because i keep an open mind doesn't mean you need to put words in my mouth | ||
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On November 05 2013 09:17 Balla24 wrote: Why do you keep saying we're putting words in your mouth? You literally said "i could lynch everybody atm"... how is that not a full reset? why do i keep saying it? because people have. as for i could lynch anyone. because im frustrated? to win this game people have to be lynched. if a claim comes up tomorrow or something happens at night or w/e ill be open to it. Ill be open to look at it and think about it. I don't see the harm in being open about that... | ||
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On November 05 2013 09:17 Balla24 wrote: Why do you keep saying we're putting words in your mouth? You literally said "i could lynch everybody atm"... how is that not a full reset? tbh though your right this wasn't that clear on my part. | ||
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i've been spelling your name wrong this entire time >< so as for his kill. and why him things he did scum hunt successfully Possible to set up on the future lynches (this seemed to be the case for their last lynch. to set up johhny which back fired) who would the setup be on? On November 05 2013 06:01 JonnyLaw wrote: In order storr > odin > vonthin > owb > E00e > nyx for lynch candidates as of this moment. since i know i'm town. and at least he way i feel town is pressuring towards me, i'd suspect myself the most likely person to be lynched today. tbh, i think they killed him for the combination of those 2. johhny also felt genuinely he was going to die, and he didn't claim his role. I feel if he did have a role he would have claimed it, a min before the deadline hit with all his information. | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:07 onlywonderboy wrote: Turns out he wasn't wrong about his fate. I wonder what the hell the blue roles for this game even are. Johnny was a solid choice for a medic save, although I suppose Balla was also a potential target so they might have tried to save him. Ball and Storr probably aren't blue, so all of our blue power lies in our lurkers. I guess that's good because they aren't being targeted, but it sucks we aren't getting any blue information. i know I'm one to like to speculate stuff, so i really shouldn't be the one to call you out on this post... with only 15 mins in day 2, i feel its very weird you jump to these conclusions so easily | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:17 Balla24 wrote: @Storr, he had no role... it says vt i know... my point is scum did not hit him for being blue | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:19 Balla24 wrote: Yeah i feel the same way about that post... its like he was expecting jonny to flip blue or something... barely any time for anybody to claim anything yet he says we're not getting any blue information... weird.. not to mention how confident he is about you and i being VT | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:26 Balla24 wrote: But... if you think it wasn't a blue snipe then you can't think OWB is scummy for this IMO... one or the other. what are you talking about? if i think it wasn't a blue snipe, then i can't think owb is scummy for that post? or what specific point? i'm asking to clarify cause im inclined to disagree with what your saying, but i want to be sure... | ||
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On November 05 2013 11:13 Balla24 wrote: No, because you were agreeing with me on the fact that it looked like OWB seemed like he scum expecting a blue flip from Jonny. can you fully say what you thought? you basically said, if you think this then you can't think that... i don't understand that statement and i would like you to "spell it out" | ||
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On November 05 2013 11:44 Balla24 wrote: Look, it's simple: Here are the 2 hypotheses: 1. Jonnylaw was not an attempted blue snipe. 2. OWB was surprised that jonnylaw didn't flip blue right after the lynch, which makes him seem like a scum player who was attempting to blue snipe. They contradict each other, so it's one or the other. yeah i thought we had a miss understanding Part of the johnny being blue is, he would have said stuff, and not just a min before hand, IMO he really felt he was going to die, and he would have done bread comes or anything. Besides that, i wasn't reading him as a blue before that, and you add in the other 2 reasons why i thought he was killed. So i don't think OWB was expecting a blue flip. i think he is scummy from that post for calling out myself and you as VT | ||
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On November 05 2013 15:26 nyxnyxnyx wrote: no man, i think i've explained why i think storr is scum plenty nope bandwagonerrrr | ||
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On November 05 2013 15:32 cakemanofdoom wrote: Storr's made more posts since you last commented nyx. You could have at least analyzed those or something. Or clarify your case, it was pretty vague/not that great to begin with. because bandwagon on the 5 other cases that got made on me... he states it clearly in his 3 line post on why to lynch me. "lynch will not divide town" @cake also regarding myself attacking people who have attacked myself. You realize nearly everyone has made some sort of case against me save E00e. And then the people to call me scum with least force behind their posts would have to be OWB and Vonthin So please stop telling me to stop attacking people who attack me | ||
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When i say i'd lynch OWB on day 2, he doesn't defend himself. He just says he was busy and will try to read and post OWB "tunneled on von day 2 OWB does seem to throw some doubt onto nyxnyxnyx (which is pretty easy imo cause nyxnyxnyx does not like to explain why he does things. he just likes to throw votes out and call people scum least his day2 reasons are terrible and he has none for day 3) OWB then makes the weird post about the flips so my other thoughts on OWB he has been very detached from this game. He needs to invest more into this game for me to get a better read. I'd still lynch him at this point. | ||
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On November 05 2013 15:47 Balla24 wrote: Alright, here's what I think: 1. We kill vonthin: he flips scum, woohoo, we pinpoint last mafia by throwing out OWB. he flips town, we go from there with a focus on OWB 2. We kill OWB: he flips scum, woohoo, we pinpoint last mafia by throwing out Storr/Vonthin and find last mafia. he flips town, we go from there with a focus on vonthin/storr 3. We kill storr: he flips scum, woohoo, we pinpoint last mafia by throwing out OWB. he flips town, we go from there with focus on OWB. I think it's that clear cut. No matter who we lynch out of the three we end up in a similar situation regardless of what the outcome is. I'd like to lynch storr. The fact that there was no mafia roleblock sells it to me. He was the only one who was really pressuring me about that besides Jonnylaw (who is conveniently dead now....), what better way to do it then to try to act like there is no mafia roleblocker... it doesn't help that his night2 posts were absolutely and completely anti-town. ##vote StorrZerg Focus someone else first. I'm being active and trying. | ||
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but we still have blind bat nyxnyxnyx who hasn't done anything since day 2 other than call me scum. | ||
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only wantd to vote OWB or vonthin Does not agree about johhny's case abouse vanes Thinks cake is scummy Responds to johhny On October 31 2013 01:03 E00e wrote: I didnt understand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=9#175this post of Jonny's. Where does poofter dismiss Storr? Poof only wondered why Storr "was so quick to vote for July". Possible defense of poofter Says johhny and july are off because they are inconsistent Responds to Vanesco's vote on himself http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=14#265 Says tehpoofter had the most honest accusation against himself Would lynch odin http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=20#394 Does not switch his vote to july at all stays on odin. skipping a head to day2 vote On November 04 2013 08:31 E00e wrote: I think lynching poofter is better than lynching no one but I would prefer onlywonderboy. I will check this thread for the next 30 minutes. ##Vote: onlywonderboy This sticks out a bit because it was kinda tight on getting the required votes to get tehpoofter out. (4 votes on tehpoofter at the time) It is possible he put the vote up on OWB when tehpoofter had 3 votes and OWB had 2 My vote HAD been on OWB. His vote would have Tied OWB with tehpoofter. Other wise E00e posted knowing tehpoofter had 4 votes this then closes the gap and then I moved off to tehpoofter. Why would I change my vote at this time when i could have kept it on OWB? the vote for OWB that E00e made looks pretty bad at that point. I would also like to point out that E00e has never voted and switched. I would consider people switching votes to be a town move, specially in the majority lynch system. Where 1 mafia voting some place else or even 1 town, could cause a no lynch. So in the end i can't say i feel that strongly for him as town. I find his vote to OWB very sketchy. I find his ability to play with town poor, and i find his interest in the game poor as well. I would lynch E00e | ||
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On November 05 2013 15:59 Balla24 wrote: That might have flown in my first 2 games if I was town, but I know how easy of a defense that is for mafia. Many of my teammates used it to great success in those games. Just because you're active and trying doesn't mean anything to me. 'it should, your willing to do a trio lynch why lynch the active person who will tell you more when/if you lynch him latter and I WILL FLIP TOWN | ||
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OWB, E00e, Vonthin i have posted my case against the first 2 and as for Vonthin, ill post my thoughts on him. But the deal is balla, if you think im buddy with him, then ill lynch him idk what that proves to you if he flips sucm or town. I dont' know how i could Vote OWB right now and not look buddy buddy with Vontin Unless something drastic changes so we can lynch nyx idk. He may just be dumb town too focused on tunneling to do anything else in this game. And maybe @balla that is why you are more willing to push me first because he has thrown a vote, and you will only need 3 more to vote me then. Personally i think that is a poor excuses. also pointing out that nyxnyxnyx has come to the conclusion that i have to be paired with vonthin as well HMMMM | ||
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Also your vote onto tehpoofter was the 3rd vote, it made tehpoofter pass OWB that gives you good credit imo | ||
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day 1 he was the 6th person to vote onto July. At that point it was pretty clear that july was going to be the vote that day, no one else had enough votes and E00e who he was on only had 2 or 3 at most. day 2 In particular He was the 7th vote, he was not needed to vote tehpoofter off. and the 6th vote was OBZY (our IC) So imo no credit should be given to him at all for the tehpoofter vote. previously his vote was on OWB In the end, i personally feel a little more town on OWB cause of Voniths voting pattern on day 2. ( also the end of day day 2 vote the very end. End of the day 2 vote i was expressing concern that tehpoofter would be mod killed. I was willing to push a different vote in that case so we could get another lynch. Once tehpoofter came back i saw no reason to switch votes. its possible Vonthin had the same mindset for this, he did express concern over the mod kill as well. And i think he would express concern if tehpoofter was really away regardless of alignment. So the very end of him switching off, i don't read into that as a town, or a mafia play. | ||
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On November 05 2013 16:55 cakemanofdoom wrote: Sure other people have pinged you as suspicious Storr, but until the case on E00e you've only pushed the people who seriously tried to push you. Balla can you summarize your discussion with Jonny which concluded that owb couldn't be scum with Vonthin or Storr? I'm having a bit of trouble finding it. Pointing me at the page where it starts getting on that topic would help too. I wanna talk about Storr's case on E00e right now. On E00e: Thanks Storr for finally showing some initiative in scumhunting. Way too late, but I'll consider E00e. So Storr's case starts with a summary of some of the points E00e makes in his first post. I have no idea why this is here, it's not analyzed and the E00e's opinions there are reasonable. Jonny's case on Van was crap and suspicion on me was reasonable. ...is this first half of the post part even a case? This stuff doesn't look suspicious on E00e at all. I'll assume, Storr, that you're just summarizing his action for convenience and move on. What a waste of time. Moving on to his day 2 vote. I guess he wanted to try and switch the lynch to owb over poofter, I don't like that since it divides town. Looks sketchy, yeah. Overall: I dislike the inactivity and the vote. Otherwise I actually like the intent in his posts. He scumhunts when he can, and his posts tend to be logical. Worthy of suspicion, not worth a lynch. Sure he's not that useful, but it's not a good enough reason to use a lynch imo when we have more scummy suspects. (Storr, owb, vonthin, maybe even odin) I have been scum hunting, so stop saying i haven't Nearly every single person has pressured to lynch me, save for a handful. So stop bringing up that i only have attacked people who attack me I'm getting really fucking sick of you saying that shit | ||
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This is a new and original thought from you. I'm starting to think you might be who is scum with OWB. this irony? Because it is not original, balla all ready pointed it out... | ||
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Otherwise I actually like the intent in his posts. He scumhunts when he can, and his posts tend to be logical. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=52#1034 Also his day 2 preferred lynch. On November 04 2013 06:58 OdinOfPergo wrote: My prefered day 1 lynch is probably looking Vonthin or Storr. I feel about the same on both of them and Storr making a quest against Nyx really makes me dislike him even more. If he stores getting votes I'm fine with changing over to it. As well as odins push onto Jonny http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=48#945 Also Odins thoughts on the lurkers (doesn't list tehpoofter) On November 04 2013 06:57 OdinOfPergo wrote: I'm agains't lynching lurkers. Out of any of the lurkers if we have to lynch one I'd go for Poofter. Unless I really miss my mark Nyx is town. I think E00 looks ok for what he has said, and I'm pretty null on OWB atm. It is quite possible the mafia trio being odin nyx tehpoofter | ||
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Ball all ready said we could be scummy together Hence nyxnyxnyx does not have an original thought is it a "new thought" from him sure. But it is hardly original | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:58 nyxnyxnyx wrote: Actually I'm pretty sure it's owb/vonthin that can't be a pair why | ||
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we both have approached things a different way regarding ourselves. He has started to become more against a lynch on myself. I how ever have become ok with a lynch on him? IF we are a mafia team, then its possible that he is trying to save me cause i would be a power role then? maybe godfather cause i called out for a cop to check me. On the other hand, i know i'm town. I find it a bit weird how he is sticking out for me so hard today. I want to be thankful for him sticking up for myself, but yeah... | ||
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can people take a serious look at nyxnyxnyx? like day 1 he is cool ok. but day 2, and now day 3? seriously.... he has done absolutely nothing but sheep reads and give 0 reasoning to anything he has said. How is this play not punished for being scummy???? i know some of you are "sick" of me continuing to push on him, but can you fucking blame me? out of all the people to push on me, he clearly has the worst case. also @Balla not quite sure what happened to remove the pressure, what was it? | ||
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Maybe we have different opinions on push... but i have pushed him but regardless if by push you mean a more direct attack or a vote, im confused. I have someone defending me, and in my eyes for no reason. Why should i be forcing a lynch on one of the few people who think i am town? If i didn't have such heavy pressure i wouldn't bother with his defense of myself. Right now i have been playing more for self preservation, so when i am able to put my reads out and scum hunt, it just makes it even harder to push someone defending me. SO to say i haven't been pushing him today, i call bull. also regarding nyxnyxnyx. I am calling nyxnyxnyx for playing scummy day 2 and 3. He is the definition of sheeping reads and providing nothing to town. And i would not absolve him from that day 1 first vote on tehpoofter. I think it was pretty clear tehpoofter would not have been lynched that day. (had more to write after this but it was more about the voting patterns on day 1 and less about nyx so ill put that in a separate post. going back to nyxnyxnyx though, day 1 he had different opinions, he voted on several different people. He actually posted content. why can scum play "decent" day 1, and get a free pass the rest of the game. He imo "saved E00e" from the day 1 lynch. or at least he started the move off. Not even considering nyxnyxnyx for a lynch, or for possible scum is just giving him a free pass to do nothing. this is just wrong. | ||
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On November 06 2013 04:15 Balla24 wrote: wow is this a scum slip... "scene"? really? ................................... ?? my bad seen... i don't know what your calling a scum slip | ||
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On November 06 2013 04:32 Balla24 wrote: haha honestly i'm just waiting for obzy to chime in as well as OWB.. odin too? | ||
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regardless what he flips, i don't think i would be looking at these 4 for a lynch on the following day. OBZY balla cake storr which leaves Vonthin, odin, nyxnyxnyx, E00e Since Vonthin has defended myself, and has pushed OWB. I would feel better about him not being lynched. Which leaves odn and nyx. based on what "nyx" has said, i suppose he would fall short of the lynch then as well. His day 2 was terrible, his day 3 has been getting a bit better since he is attempting to not tunnel and leading to a OWB flip i think it buys him a day too. as of right now Odin, day 1 pushed 2 votes on town (cake and jonny) and pushed cake (whom im leaning town today on) day 2, he moved to tehpoofter before myself, maybe it was clear poofter was going to be the lynch that day since he had "vanished" he voted on jonny that day again, and vonthin (who if OWB flips scum, leads to a better looking vonthin, which means odin really has not pushed a scum to a vote yet... which is bad for odin) Odin would be a fine lynch if OWB flips scum E00e looks worse imo if OWB flips scum as well imo (doesn't explain the RB claim though i still have to think about that, and see what happens the following day for that ) | ||
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OWB has great pressure on himself right now and isn't doing ANYTHING WTF | ||
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I'd really prefer a lynch on Storr first. If he flips town, I'm pretty sure owb would be scum then and it should be an easy lynch. Other way around, if owb flips town Storr would be a massive pain to lynch. So first off, not an actual reason as to why i am mafia. Just "i would be a pain to lynch if OWB flipped town" not to sure why i am not a pain to lynch right now.... As for better reasons, I think Storr is more scummy than owb in that Storr has done more of the scummy "make easy posts without actually contributing". Ok so i comment on the game while doing other things, and stated. You can look up myself in the video mafia games, and see that i post inbetween. This of course is stupid out of game bullshit, and im pissed off i have to say this shit to defend my posts that are not "up to your standards" you want a better feel for my game style go read my filter and my qts from the previous hogwarts game. till then your point on easy posts can die in a fire Plus I don't like Storr's defenses to his accusations. I actually prefer how owb just admits when he looks scummy (admittedly, you're supposed to follow that up by being helpful to town, so it doesn't help much). But Storr decided to focus on trying to shut down valid accusations and calling his attackers scum, which is far worse imo. again bad point because i have been called scum by nearly everyone in this game. If i don't attack my accusers then man that just leaves E00e and OWB i guess maybe someone else. so again stupid point you bring up. And of course i would shut down accusations against me, because im town and they are looking for scum when IM TOWN. based on that logic, then vanes must have been scum because he shot down jonny. (which is untrue since they are both town) o man vanes went after someone that accused him.. again bad point cake stop reaching. | ||
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On November 06 2013 08:32 Balla24 wrote: Nah don't feel bad. More discussion is better. All 3 of these guys should feel like they are under major pressure at all times anyways... it's good that we're swinging back and forth. it feels like i have been under fucking pressure for ages... I doubt anyone has had to defend themselves from relentless attacks as much as i have. Actually for a fact i know no one has. don't mind me if im pissy cause you two are lolly gagging with your swinging back bull. | ||
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The inactivity was NOT my accusation; as I'd later pointed out my complaint was TOO MUCH activity without some scumhunting to go with it. Excessive barely-useful and easy activity is the scum move of blending in. And then Storr later lashed out at town again for accusing him of inactivity, but that time he just said he wasn't inactive instead of implying that he had good reasons for inactivity. Inconsistent responses while misrespresenting of an argument against him? Scum trying to look better at all costs. your fault you did not make yourself clear enough to me then. i see a bunch of shit trying to be smeared on myself, and i defended. your fault if you don't make your points clear enough As far as, too much activity with out "scum hunting" again read my hogwarts game and my qt. and i have all ready explained i post when i can often, even if im not always scum hunting in every post. again I obviously play the game differently than you, and its quiet obvious to me your reading me wrong. | ||
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Then Storr dismisses my attacks as saying that he was just too slow to come up with reads. --That's bad! Considering that he was definitely active early on, being so slow to come up with reads, and only on major attackers or people he was specifically asked about, seems like he was avoiding having to come up with opinions. yeah lets just not talk about how half the town did nothing the first 24 hours of day 2, while i at least attempted to try. and I did get reads in. I dismiss your attack, because idc that it took me longer to come up with reads. I did it my way. The fact is, I had my reads out with plenty of time to interact with town. | ||
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Plus, his comment about "right now" is misdirection: yes, he had begun to post more productively. That does not in any way erase his scumminess from earlier, which is what he seemed to be trying to make us think by brushing past his terrible start (and it's a bit inaccurate to just call it a start, Storr's unhelpfulness lasted pretty long) You are picking at stuff that i had no control over in RL. Stop it. I've helped i've done my duty to scum hunt and try to push the town in the right direction. the fact that i have a lot of "other posts that have nothing to do with scum hunting" is bad reasoning that i have to be mafia | ||
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Oh, also: there's a difference between people addressing him and him being asked about specific people. He had to be asked about specific people to give reads on them (fairly inconclusive ones at that, iirc). He seemed to imply at one point that he could only address people who had addressed him first. I'll give him that, but it doesn't change the fact that he could and should have formed opinions on people who hadn't been brought to his attention with specific questions or with a case on him. Day 1, i did not have an opinion on every single person on that day. I had people i would be ok with lynching and that was about it. day 2 i had opinions on every single person. As well as pushing my preferred 2 lynches. Again i have been defending myself pretty heavily, which implies that i have been answering questions that are brought up to me A LOT. This makes it pretty hard to seemingly "form magical opinions about people before they question myself" shit started out, on day 1, when i said i would put my read out on cake, and that i thought he wasn't a good lynch. It took a long time for me to find the time, and not be busy to post it. I guess i have learned my lesson, i should stop checking the thread from my phone, or in between other games and responding to posts then. I should be pretty inactive and just post simple opinions that i can sheep off someone else and go back to lurking since that apparently is an acceptable way to play. | ||
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This was Jonny's last case on Storr. You can wonder what scum were doing killing Jonny all you want, but townie logic is townie logic and should be seriously considered if the logic itself is sound. And I like at least some of Jonny's logic here; that weak pressure on poofter does look a bit suspicious. Also, Storr's response only mentions the vig comment, looking like Storr just wanted to discredit the case by attacking the weaker points. SO based on Jonny's case against me. We should also look into Vanes case on Jonny. So we should have lynched Jonny day 2... Yeah that makes perfect sense why Storr would be a good lynch day 3, because Jonny had a case on Storr. O not to mention Vanes had a case against you Cake iirc i was one of the earlier people to point out jonny as town, even when he was going nuts. I told him to calm down and focus. Guess what he did that and he helped lynch a mafia. I do put out a lot of speculation, i know. I have stated my point on that and you can take it for what you want. as for weak pressure on poofter, i have all ready explained that. He was not nearly as inactive as the other 2 i pressured, he responded to a question i gave. I choose to stick with nyxnyxnyx and owb as my prefered lynches. When i could not push my preferred lynches, I did what i thought was best to help town. Kill poofter. When poofter seemed like he could be mod killed, i pushed for a reconsideration on OWB. when poofter came back, his fate was sealed, no reason to lynch OWB over poofter since poofter didn't do anything drastic. | ||
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And then as soon as Jonny dies Storr comes out talking about how scum could have been framing him. We can't know exactly what mafia was thinking. But if the result is that Storr's trying to use the death to get suspicion off himself, it makes me think that's what the kill was intended for. No i brought this shit up in the night. When Jonny was martyring himself off, admitting he was going to die and that i was the first lynch. I pointed it out it was bad, and he agreed it was wrong that he went that way. Again this kill lines up with the n1 kill, vanes setting up jonny and cake. and they get 2 birds with 1 stone, they kill someone who successfully hunted scum, and put a lot of doubt on an innocent townie, | ||
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On November 06 2013 13:02 Balla24 wrote: I was rolling around cake/owb, storr/owb seems a bit outrageous but not impossible... lynch owb then easy peasy granted your rolling around plenty of other scum pairs too | ||
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On October 31 2013 11:34 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ok holy crap. Actually you know what, I'm not sorry. I work really freaking hard to support my lifestyle. If anyone wants to call me out for it... Well let's dance baby. Anyway, I need to re-read this thread again but on first glance I don't like Cake, July, or Jonny at all. Their post offer little content or crumby arguments. I need to persue these leads obv since I haven't been here. But give me like an hour. Maby two. I will type up an explanation for my reads. first feeling he has, doesnt like 2 towns, possible a 3rd (cake) Posts a lot defending himself with out actually giving reasons why for his reads. He finally gets around to reads on Cake, Jonny, july, nyx http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=17#322 I liked his call out on jonny, i agree with his case against cake, his july case is kinda null imo. He defends nyx based on nyx play last game, but also inquires that nyx explain himself more on his reasons. (something i've personally been pushing for nyx to do since day 2) overall it doesn't truly feel like "scum hunting" but i seem to at least understand his frustration in this post and why he is attacking these people. His opinion on people changes (cake in particular, which i like since i read cake as town) After rereading his filter from day 1. I like odin, His defense of nyx seems reasonable. His attacks seemed reasonable. The way he came around on cake, seemed like a town. It doesn't feel like 2 mafia poking each other and moving on. Going to reread the next cycle now. | ||
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On November 06 2013 13:27 OdinOfPergo wrote: Storr, now I'm not completely sold on it since I haven't had a lot of time to really digest what I've just finished reading since I've been gone.. I feel like Storr doesn't honestly expect to gain traction on OWB here. The thread being so dead helps in this regard, the modkill question on Poofter seems like it could be a last ditch call to get people to swap. This seems really illogical to me at first. But maby he intended this to look better when Poofter magically shows back up. But if he really thought that voting ended in 1 min I can assume he's counting on being on the scum vote to try to make himself look better. Not really sure how I should think about it. Then the post on not thinking OWB expecting a blue flip.. I read OWB post as if he was really hoping for a blue flip. And then it feels like the only reason OWB post at all here is that he wanted to try to fish blues to claim. So while he's still saying he's scummy for that post... other than the timing of the post coming up so fast, you disregard it's point entirely. I feel like the case against owb is still light enough that he doesn't honestly believe it will change anything. If we get a mod kill, and a lynch. we gain more information as town.... the mod kill only works if tehpoofter stayed inactive and no replacement was found. This would be a really low cheap shot to do... To plan this out and act on it as mafia... I would not do it, i was upset of the possibility of it happening in the hogwarts game. Read how you want the time, but i was completely honest on thinking the vote ended at that time. What point am i disregarding entirely? My case against OWB day 2 was light. he was not my #1 lynch.. | ||
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First thing that bothers me is odin miss reads / understands my comments about RB and balla. His initial read on Storr was light townie early in day 1, when "called out" on it he defends himself because he has yet to finish reading up on day 1. Now on day 2, he seems to have clearly changed his light town read to a light scummy read, but has not really explained why. His first dislike of me, is because i'm not interested in a defense on cake or jonny, but for them to add content into the game. I miss read this at first. But to answer the question, i had town reads on both of them, so i am more inclined to believe vanes was wrong and the kill was for a set up. (it is very clear now it was a setup) If i had been behind the kill why would i not attack cake and jonny? why would i not pressure them? However Odin at the time was clear to attack jonny, maybe not cake at the time. He then miss quotes me about the RB. I state it could have been a townie RB, but i am more inclined to think it was a Mafia RB. (looking at all the options, and then saying which i believe happened) He then thinks i wanted to lynch balla... which was read wrong as well. His case against me is weak and miss read entirely. The only thing that i see now, was the attack on me for not pressuring cake/jonny after Vanes flip. This push just seems forced and lacking. No comments about my reads or anything else, just reading my speculation wrong. His case against Jonny reads better to me. Seems more like scum hunting, but it also feels like a lot of attacks on semantics. He asserts to vonthin that the kill was because vanes was on the right track. (Vonthin had questioned why a mafia jonny would kill the person (vanes) that was hunting him hard. Odin was the 3rd person to go onto tehpoofter. Poofter had clearly been inactive, and maybe it was time for the bus. When poofter came back i honestly believed his reasons for not posting. (Thinking the lynch was the next day) If tehpoofter comes back sooner then odin can switch his vote easily while working with tehpoofter to save him. I am pretty uncomfortable with day 2 odin. He pushed a lynch on myself that was nearly all semantics, he pushed hard on jonny as well as the reasons for vanes kill and that jonny would kill vanes to save his own hide. (we know that this is false now and that vanes was likely killed to set up jonny or cake. i suppose it is possible vanes was right about cake but wrong about jonny, and thats why odin pressured jonny and not cake) | ||
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I am less inclined to believe this since i think cake is town. Looking back on vanes filter, it might be possible mafia killed him because he was on the right track on E00e. This gets overshadowed by his night 1 posts on Jonny and Cake | ||
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just a heads up so i don't get reamed for not being active enough then... (i should still be able to read and post, but it can be frustrating from my phone) | ||
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Thing is, your not on the list balla, your one of my town reads. Cake as well. This worries me slightly If odin is mafia with OWB then it makes sense though. Other wise if OWB flips town then it puts back a lot of pressure onto myself and vonthin imo People not posting sucks... | ||
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On November 07 2013 01:54 Balla24 wrote: So what are you saying? The 2 mafia are already in the OWB vote? It could very well be 5 town on OWB atm... if its 5 town on owb, then odin and owb are mafia. and that would be great. im saying if owb flips town, it does not look good for me.. it wont have any impact on you or cake (negative impact) if 2 mafia are on owb it leans to nyx, E00e, vonthin imo. | ||
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i I think it is pretty clear what imI'm talking about.. my reads when owb flips.... as well as my concern if he flips town and how that looks against myself... | ||
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On November 07 2013 02:23 Balla24 wrote: This is where I get my main read from you Storr, you keep doing things like this... I don't get why you care about this... you shouldn't care right? if OWB is your highest scum read then vote for him if you're town, what does it matter how bad it looks on you... Srry iI don't have perfect informatio. sorry i want to talk... why shouldnt i care? i care because of things stated before by yourself.. calling a plan to lynch owb/me/vonthin.... and you wonder why i care lolol | ||
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i want to talk... so I post | ||
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On November 07 2013 02:39 Balla24 wrote: But why bring up "if OWB flips town it's gonna make me look bad...", no shit it's gonna make you look bad but why bring that up? Just keep it to yourself? What will we gain from talking about it? We can't draw any conclusions and it's not going to change the outcome of the day or the next day at all... Sorry I don't have a mafia qt to voice my concerns or a mason buddy...you are cherry picking one comment out of a few to bash me on... move on ffs | ||
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On November 07 2013 03:09 Balla24 wrote: It was really incoherent.... I wasn't really able to make anything of it since I couldn't understand what he was saying, who he was talking to etc... let me try to understand it again.. What do you think about it? You first | ||
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i think its pretty weak to say only storr or you as a reason. as well as me looking bad. Why don't you comment on my reads, or heaven forbid put out reads of your own. | ||
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2 mafia goons and 2 role blocker | ||
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if an sk is in the game, is that something we want to start thinking about? | ||
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better to just scum hunt for the last mafia. and if game doesn't end look at things then. | ||
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I have Obzy (IC) Balla (obvious townie) Cake (been leaning town on him nearly all game) and i want to add Vonthin, i wanted to add him before the flip since he was feeling better and better. After the flip im feeling pretty safe on adding him to my circle. (seems pretty far for him to defend myself and sack OWB) This leaves E00e (who got RB) nyxnyxnyx who was shady as hell day 2, better day 3. Odin who i've made a case against. tbh i think we should pressure all 3, and see what happens. ATM i dislike Odin the most | ||
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On November 07 2013 10:46 Balla24 wrote: Storr: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++ There can be up to 3 blues in the setup we have. Although unlikely, because that means there would have to be 2 1 shots who haven't used their roles yet (since they would have claimed). There is probably 2 roles. not sure exactly how to read this. so are you saying its possible to have 3 blue roles ( 2 of them have to be 1 shots) or have 2 roles that are full? | ||
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I feel its a bit wrong to only focus on Odin tomorrow (i know you put cake as a possible but even at this point, he is contributing far more than either of those 2) I know im moving up on your list from this past lynch, so i ask you to consider my read on cake as town as well as my negative points about E00e and nyx. | ||
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On November 07 2013 11:55 Balla24 wrote: Especially E00... what's the thought process there? What reason do we have not to believe his RB claim? good point, if he doesn't claim, looks bad on me right? | ||
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not cop was hoping to die that night ##vote OdinOfPergo] | ||
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On November 09 2013 10:00 Mattchew wrote: your a beast, you were almost more confirmed than obsy good job keep playing like that LOL troll | ||
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