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On November 03 2013 08:02 JonnyLaw wrote:
Vonthin, we went over this already. I said don't lynch july when he had 3 votes on him. Actually I said it multiple times. Go back a few pages and it was discussed.
I don't understand what you mean by "we went over this already", after you called me out the first time I said you were right, I said I missed the post about you defending him when he had 3 votes. After I responded that time I didn't ask you again about July unless you thought those questions I asked to Storr thought were directed to you?
On November 03 2013 08:22 JonnyLaw wrote:
@poofter Perfect mafia play is to have the town think you're one of them so people follow your lead. Balla's play seems straightforward enough but who can tell. The only resaon I brought it up was because he was here and I wanted an answer. Apparently he had to leave for a while. Let's leave it alone until he's around.
@vonthin It was you who brought up July yesterday and said, oh okay it's fine. You flip back and forth on the same people for the same points. You sheep onto popular votes continuously. I know you said you don't have motivation but at least put some effort into your game. If you want clarification go read my filter from page 3 on. I just did and after July started posting I saw no reason to lynch him. I said maybe as a third option behind pooftah and odin then back off that claim even.
Still a little confused about the first part of this post about bringing up July again, can you link the post that I am clearly missing. As for the later part, I have been trying to put more effort recently so I'm not dead weight. Besides me sheeping on you with the Van thing I have been trying to not sheep onto popular votes like I was the first to bring up the case on OWB recently as he started to fly under the radar again, and then my questions with Storr I don't think was sheeping since I was already somewhat suspicious of him and wanted a better read on him so I started asking him questions. Still confused about me bring up you and July again cause I didn't after I said you were right and then said I think you might be town cause I was wrong about July and I don't think you are stupid and would kill the person who was on to you right away as that would put you in the main focus of everyone.
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On November 03 2013 08:30 JonnyLaw wrote:
@Vonthin Okay Vonthin, explain to me how you agree with Vanesco's points. I'll give them to you since you don't want to commit any time to this game by your own admission.
When in this game have I tried to blend in?
It's strange that I notice the hosts have an error in the voting thread? I read it and saw cakeman listed twice. He was listed twice in the other voting post as well. It bothers me.
His post goes on to say I think poofter's scummy, I made poor cases and defended cakeman. There's nothing else there. Tell me how that post summarizes your ideas because you're still saying nothing.
The main points in Van post are:
1. You had really weak cases on the people who had major reads early on in the game.
2. Doesn't like how you defended Cake multiple times.
Your case against Van was very week and seemed forced at the time imo. Your case against Odin I felt was very weak for his posts at the time too, the reasons you pushed for him was his posts were a mess and kept contradicting himself because he said he read the thread multiple times, then that he was a spammer but you were spamming too since you were arguing with him which was unnecessary. As for your case with Poofter, I agree with some of it. I don't like your early argument where you just link him with Van saying they are both scum but don't give any reason for Poofter. This is the reason you end up giving
I really wanted to push poofter into posting and see what he said about my post on Van.
That's why I included him at the end of the post. Poofter was always the guy I wanted pressure but I thought doing it by pressuring van could be more effective. He did respond. Then I made my case on him, which I stand by. I do not think I could get poofter lynched day 1 and still do not.
I thouht that was a stupid reason. I do agree with the post about him http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=14#280 that was the reasons why I thought he could be scum early game.
As for the Cakeman thing, yeah the voting thing was sorta a stretch but you defend cake so many times besides the vote correction.
Your very first post about Poofter where he said he didn't like Cakes read on Storr, you don't really say what you think about Cake and try to change the subject to Storr so people talk less about Cake
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=14#262
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=23#443
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=21#420
First 2 posts were defending Cake and the third was another interaction with Cake that didn't seem that necessary. That is why Van made the possible connection between you and Cake, I didn't see why he had to defend him that much so thats why I agreed with Van.
That is why I agreed with Vans post. Moving on can you link me the post where I said you were trying to blend in cause looking at my filter I do not see that anywhere.
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I am going to bed now, been up for almost a day straight since I got stuck in nyc penn station for 4 & a half hours since I missed the last train due to DST. I wanted to make a post about Odins recent posts which I don't really like very much and about another post bout Poofter but I am about to pass out. Will try to be back before the deadline today to make the posts and to change my vote if needed, have 2 important tasks to do when I wake up and not sure how long they take but I think I should make it around 6ish. If I somehow miss the deadline I still think OWB is the best candidate currently so I'm keeping my vote on him for the reasons I posted here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=41#803
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My overdue thoughts on Poofter:
I always thought he was always someone scummy, never really had that strong of a read on him since I was mainly paying attention on other people plus he does not have a lot of posts. His posts early game seemed off like the "I really wish you would give us something" to July and his last post which didn't say anything useful besides I thought we would talk more about the night kill and that he is reading filters. I thought we talked a decent amount of the nightkill, thats where all the discussion about Jonny came from. Besides that I didn't like his reasoning on some things like how he got on the Cake bandwagon in the early game. His main reasoning was he just didn't like his reasoning on Storr and that other people accused him of being scummy. He then tries to defend his view on him being scummy by saying I don't like how he misinterpreted 2 things. Those things were also misinterpreted by other people including myself with the Nyx/LoL forum thing and I just see it as weak reasoning to think why Cake was scum at the time.
I will vote for him if we need a majority but I feel more comfortable with OWB
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Even after OWB most recent posts I still think he is a good candidate for a lynch today.
I think I explained my case about e00 pretty well. There are a lot of uncertainties surrounding the day 1 lynch. More times than not they come down to hunches rather than hard facts just because there is so much less information to work with. e00 was playing in a way that wasn't directly benefiting town and I thought there was a chance he was scum.
You did not explain your case about e00 pretty well. All you said was is that he is under suspicion from other people and then a feeling about him. That is not a strong case, that is just plain sheeping. You do not give any explanations about the vote at all. I would not have been mad if you actually made an explanation and had good reasoning and then left the vote on him.
He's been more active recently, but I think there's a chance he's a scum who knows he needs to work his ass off to try and turn the suspicion away from him. We'll see how the discussion goes down around deadline, but for the moment
What the fuck am I supposed to do about this? If I got called out for not posting enough do you just expect me to not post anything and continue being a dead weight to town like you are currently? You still haven't done anything all game besides besides just sheep on the e00e vote and call out lurkers when you are a lurker yourself. When you do start posting again you call me scum for weak reasoning mainly because I am the most vocal about you. You have made 0 reads on other people and are just trying to hop on my vote after Balla voted for me.
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On November 04 2013 07:40 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Vonthin, could you try to include the name/date portion of a quote.. It would make this a lot easier.
Also, you rehashing a lot of things, not bringing a whole lot in.. Frankly Poofter looks the worst out of lurkers and these post seem like you are just trying to focus on someone other than him if we have to lynch a lurker.
I said I would lynch him, I just think OWB is a better lynch. Poofter looks suspicious but I think he at least tried to contribute. OWB has done nothing all game imo
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On November 04 2013 07:43 OdinOfPergo wrote:
and what's your opinion on any of the other reads? It's not like you have a shortage of things to talk about.
what opinions do you want to know
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On November 04 2013 07:42 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 07:29 Vonthin wrote:Even after OWB most recent posts I still think he is a good candidate for a lynch today. I think I explained my case about e00 pretty well. There are a lot of uncertainties surrounding the day 1 lynch. More times than not they come down to hunches rather than hard facts just because there is so much less information to work with. e00 was playing in a way that wasn't directly benefiting town and I thought there was a chance he was scum. You did not explain your case about e00 pretty well. All you said was is that he is under suspicion from other people and then a feeling about him. That is not a strong case, that is just plain sheeping. You do not give any explanations about the vote at all. I would not have been mad if you actually made an explanation and had good reasoning and then left the vote on him. He's been more active recently, but I think there's a chance he's a scum who knows he needs to work his ass off to try and turn the suspicion away from him. We'll see how the discussion goes down around deadline, but for the moment What the fuck am I supposed to do about this? If I got called out for not posting enough do you just expect me to not post anything and continue being a dead weight to town like you are currently? You still haven't done anything all game besides besides just sheep on the e00e vote and call out lurkers when you are a lurker yourself. When you do start posting again you call me scum for weak reasoning mainly because I am the most vocal about you. You have made 0 reads on other people and are just trying to hop on my vote after Balla voted for me. I don't know that to tell you about the e00 vote. It's day 1, of course a lot of the votes are going to just come down to suspicions rather than hard facts. Balla even said the vote itself was a good town play despite not liking how I left the thread.. I also don't know how you can claim I'm jumping on voting for you just because Balla started it. I made my post calling you yesterday, I had you pegged as scum then even though I didn't put my official vote in.
Whenever I jumped on any votes early on and didn't give much reasoning I got called out by you ad others for sheeping my opinion? Now you are saying sheeping is OK since you were sheeping? As for calling me out you had weak reasoning, jthe main reason was that I was sheeping and was a lurker which is exactly what you are doing. And now that I am posting you say its just cause I got called out. Real strong argument.
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On November 04 2013 07:52 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Thoughts on my case of Jonny, Storr, Vonthin? Thoughts of Balla's cases, what do you think about the Nyx case? How do you feel about Cake right now? I realize you don't OWB, while I don't really agree with it that's not the only reason I don't like you right now. I want to know more.. You coming in posting a lot of irrelevant stuff and then a crumby case on a lurker instead of trying to kill scum is not a town oriented play style.
I think Jonny is town at this point, he had valid defenses for July and tried to stop the train. I don't think he was stupid enough to kill Van in the night since that put him in the spotlight. I think you(not sure if it was you but someone said it , doesnt really matter who since its a valid question) said wouldn't mafia want to kill people in the right direction? They should but when there were other people like Balla who might have been in the right direction why not kill him? Plus mafia coulda saw that hey Van was going hard on Jonny, if we kill him he will look really bad and might get lyched so thats a free kill for us.
I have a nuetral opinion on Storr, early on he didn't say much but recently I like his cases and questions against people. He also had good answers to the questions I had for him earlier.
Reading up on his Nyx case now. I don't like how he doesn't want to lynch lurkers especially when they have suspicious looking filters.
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I think Ballas case against me does bring valid points. My filter on Day 1 was really bad, no excuse for that. One of the main reasons I thought Cake could be scum was the possible Jonny connection plus I didn't like his first couple posts but I chalked that up to mistakes from super fast pressure that he wasn't expecting, but after I saw the Jonny connection when Jonny was one of my main targets I thought he could be scum to, but after my Jonny scum reads were cleared I didn't think Cake was that bad looking. Why not pressure easy targets though If I think they could be scum? I also did say I was going to address Poofter when I woke up and I did do just that.
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On November 04 2013 08:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:
did you not even read my post last night? I said the polar opposite of that. Why would mafia not want to kill someone who was about to throw them on the block?
You are directly contradicting yourself with that Storr statement.
You previous said that "Storr's filter look like OWB"
But now he's null?
At the point I thought he was suspicious his filter did look like OWB, but then he started posting good questions and cases whereas OWB did not. I did not go back and look for the question, was just going by memory and wanted to get a quick response out so I could get to other reads
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On November 04 2013 08:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ok Vonthin, I don't agree with you about it but I could see that as a bad townie play.
What about the fluff post and rehashing arguments from day 2?
Also, we need to settle on a lynch. I said before if we have to go for a lurker Poofter looks the worst.
##Unvote
##Vote: Tehpoofer
What fluff post/rehashing are you talking about, can you link me the post(s) in question so I can give a response.
Also I will switch to Poofter soon if we don't get more OWB votes or if Poofter makes some super amazing post that makes me think he is town
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##Unvote
##Vote: Tehpoofter
I still think OWB better lynch today, but Poofter I think does have a good chance of being mafia, worry a little since we haven't heard from him at all recently and didn't have a chance to defend himself.
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Does the no conditional voting thing count if you don't say anything? I know if you say vote for no vote like July did its ok but if you just don't straight up say anything is it ok? If he doesn't vote and get mod killed then we are wasting a lynch
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Yeah I wrote that post when I just saw your first post but not the second one, Mods can you please clarify what will happen so we know to switch?
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##Unvote
##Vote onlywonderboy
I don't feel comfortable with a Poofter lynch if he ends up not saying anything, While Poofters filter has some bad parts I don't want to vote for him if he hasn't said anything recently. If he doesn't end up posting then he will either get replaced and if he is town then we will get a better townie(this also means we can get a better mafia 2 which could be bad), if no replacement we get a mod kill and we waste a lynch. If he does post before the deadline and he doesn't say something that I think helps his case I will switch back.
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On November 04 2013 09:07 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I am fine with switching to Von or Storr.
why would you be ok with a storr lynch? Just cause Jonny said Storr by accident?
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I just don't see why he would be ok for a Storr vote at this point, the vote does not have a strong case compared to Poofter/OWB and yours and odins case against me
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##unvote
##vote tehpoofter
That post doesn't really help you at all.
Also Odin I know you have a case on Storr, I just don't think its strong enough to push for a lynch this close to the deadline when he only had 1 vote, thats what I was trying to say
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On November 04 2013 09:25 Tehpoofter wrote:
I screwed up and got confused on days and thought tomorrow was the end of the day. Its totally on me. Looking at filters I have no real reason to vote OWB because I don't want to get mod killed I honestly would rather go on Vonthin/Cake from what I was reading last night. Going back to read why I have for some reason a shit ton of votes.
Why did you vote for him then lol, why didn't you just vote for me or Cake
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