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On October 31 2013 02:27 July617 wrote: I don't need to grasp when you're doing the digging yourself . I don't understand how he is digging a hole for himself when all he said he didn't know how to post a link to the post, was no reminder how he is new to mafia, just didn't know how the forum works, You look bad to me going after him for such a stupid reason | ||
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Cakeman- Still agree with what I said earlier, just overreacted a lil to the early pressure to him, since then his posts seem fine to me. Possibly can be scum but I am 60/40 on him in favor of him being town, watching him closely. Jonnylaw - I think he is town so far, good at pressuring people and making them talk July- Liking him as scum but haven't really seen enough for anything definite. Storr- Maybe scum, almost all his posts are bout how the game should be played and player activity/rl excuses which is important but doesn't really contribute much to the game E00e- 2 little posts for me to form a good opinion Balla- Town, lots of posts with good questions and reads, nothing standing out in to me that says he is scum OWB- Not sure, think he is town. Talked a lot about meta stuff at the start but when someone pointed him out about it then started posting good stuff. Van- Town, been putting pressure on a lot of people for good reasons and brings up good points. Poofter- Scum from what I've seen so far. Pretty much all the reasons Jonny has given. His posts haven't had substance to them besides when he jumped on Cake Odin- Town from what I can tell, didn't like how he was aggro at the start but was prob just rl stress. Now that he is explaining stuff looks town to me. Don't agree with his Cake read though Feel free to ask me any questions will be around for a couple more hours till I have to go to sleep. | ||
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On October 31 2013 14:30 Obzy wrote: Sure. Given that every read in your post is a sheep, please explain why we shouldn't lynch you instead. Also, please put your vote on somebody, since you seem to afk for such long periods of time that you might otherwise miss the deadline. I honestly don't know what to say to prevent you from lynching me, everything that I think is scummy about someone has been said so far and I felt I had to post something or else I would be lynched for inactivity anyways. I will put my vote on to someone before I leave my computer tonight in hope I can get better reads on someone than I have now | ||
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On October 31 2013 14:37 Balla24 wrote: Vonthin, i HATE those posts. I'd like you to address you top 2 scum reads with more detailed reasoning.. alright give me a lil, will start a a detailed write up right now on who my top 2 reads are | ||
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With the redirect thing that started with the Storr comment I think was just a quick overreaction from the early pressure he didn't expect and then when people questioned him about it afterwards I think he answered fine and handled the pressure great after that. @balla E00e is my top scum read at this point. His first post he talks about how he thinks Jonnys pressure seems wrong and doesn't say way, and I thought he was raising good questions to pressure people at that point. Then he hops on the cake is scum wagon and doesn't say why. After that he didn't say much besides he thought Julys and Jonnys posts are inconsistent which I don't understand and when asked to explain the post he doesn't really give good reasons why they are inconsistent. For Jonny he says he didn't form a plan after to catch mafia after he said we should make one. He didn't tell us a plan but after that post about making a plan he put a lot of pressure onpeople by asking questions which what townies should be doing. A towns job isn't to stay alive, its to find the mafia even if it means their own death, to ask the questions like who isn't like the others so the team can win. His reason for July for being inconsistent was that he didn't make on point posts when he said he was going to. I would agree with that statement if it was made a little bit later but at the time he posted that July made 2 posts which I thought were on point(not a good point though) and after that he didn't really post anything. Second scum read is July. July looks suspicious since he hasn't posted a lot like myself and in the few posts he has had he called out Nyx's poor first post which Nyx later explained a lot better then jumps on Balla for saying his reasoning for disliking Nyx's post is not enough. The thing that looks really scummy for me is he jumps on Vanesco saying he was new and that it wasn't helping his case when all Van was saying he was just new to the TL forum format and didn't know how to link a post. I don't know how July misinterpreted that when Van was clear about what he was talking about. After Van told him what he meant July was like you are just digging a hole for himself which he wasn't imo. After that he says the pointless banter between him and vanesco won't continue since he doesn't want to be a bad town and have useless posts but he was the one who started the banter in the first place.When Balla points that out he plays the i am new/bad at this game but words it differently by saying he doesn't grasp what points people are trying to make across, I find that funny because the whole reason the Vanesco/July thing started was July telling Van that being new wasn't a valid excuse | ||
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voting for him now cause he is one of my main 2 scum reads as I posted above and voting for him over July since we need majority to lynch and E00e currently has more votes than July currently. Also first day phase ends at 8 pm eastern right or am I reading this countdown wrong | ||
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Forgot to bold. | ||
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##unvote Don't think E00e is the best vote anymore from what I've read since I've gotten back, still gotta finish reading then I will vote again | ||
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I'm honestly not sure about Odin, he played similar to how he did last game but a lot more angry, would throw in insults to people for no reason like when he was didn't like when Balla asked him to get to his reads already and stopped posting useless crap and he replied with I'm pretty sure your town but you can humor me anyway. It will only help me confirm my read on you. Anyway..,I can't have hunches? Ye, ok. Excuse me for having to do more than your little gig at pappa johns requires. I just don't see this post nescesarry when all Balla was asking was to get to his reads already, especially the insult about the papa johns. He also has a couple more fluff posts like this one On October 31 2013 14:54 OdinOfPergo wrote: ROFL LOL I DIED ON THE FLOOR HAHHAHAHAHAHA OMG. OK guys soirry. Seriously. But just look at this. Fucking mod kill this traitor on principle. OKOKOK Sorry, expect to see this same quote when I post my case on him. But I couldn't let this slide ROFL and even talks about this fluff post again in his last post before he goes to sleep. Rest of his posts seem alright since they are all reads, but I don't really agree with them like how he thinks Cake and Jonny are scummy. Want to see what he posts when he gets back ##Vote July My opinion on July has gotten even worse since last night. Don't agree with that we shouldn't lynch anyone. Lynch on Poofter was bad just cause he said he was inactive then switched to he doesn't want to get anyone lynched, doesn't give any reads. Completely useless Also that Mat was the worst, lost my wall of text  | ||
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I mainly want to see what his current reads are and if he still thinks Cake is scum and will keep his vote on him. Also responses to the people who think he is scummy and voted for him | ||
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On November 02 2013 04:52 onlywonderboy wrote: I know Balla just said to stay focused, but I want to make sure we don't let Vonthin slide under the radar here. We have plenty of time before the next lynch so we can focus really heavily after Day 2 starts In regards to Vonith, he has been mentioned a few times but never really put forward as a scum candidate. I realize I haven't been the most active poster, but Vonthin has managed even less content and less pro town information. He pushed e00 when he was the main lunch target but then suddenly changed his mind and decides he "wasn't the best target." This was right before the vote train on July had started on July. I realize Vonith had mentioned July as a scum candidate, but his read didn't say anything else that hadn't been said already. All that means is that he was comfortable joining the July train. Then he said he wasn't to hear from Odin before the July lunch through. Seems like he would have been totally okay jumping on that train as well had it gotten going. So Vonith has sheeped on almost every read and hasn't contributed any original content. Seems pretty scummy to me. I wanted to hear from Odin before we lynched July because his posts seemed really off and over aggro to me like I said compared to his play last game. If his posts were more of the same as he posted already I would think he could possibly be scum, didn't want to lynch him on those posts alone. His posts since he got back have been a lot better imo and seemed like like his town play from last game so I don't think he is currently scum. I always thought July was suspicious even before the lynch train was happening, he just wasn't playing like he was last game plus some of the reasons I posted already about him. I was comfortable joining the July train since I felt we needed to lynch someone especially if there is a chance we think that person is scum which I thought July was. I don't really know how not to sheep on reads if all the people I think are scum have already been mentioned for those reasons. Should I just post less than I already am If the reasons I think someone are scum have already been said? @Ballas concerns about me I'll be honest, I've been extremely lazy playing this game if you couldn't tell by my post count and posts, While I have had the time to play this game I keep getting side tracked by playing other games with friends and going out to bars to watch the world series. I already decided I am gonna take a break from mafia no matter the outcome of this game since I never put enough time into it since I have been failing to do my job as tow. I've been playing town by just trying to survive and just respond to accusations to me and not doing towns actual job of hunting down scum even if it means their own life. The first post you referred too that you called me out on to get better reads was half assed by me, when you called me out on it I went and reread filters and got a better read on E00e and thought he was looked scummy to me with that small sample size of posts. After I got back hours later I unvoted him since I think he responded OK to mine and Vans accusations to him, I still think there is a chance of him being scum at that point but not as much as July, but yeah I did a bad job of not saying why I was unvoting E00e as I wanted to get around to my current reads where I talked about July and Odin. I never actually actually said Odin was scummy, I said I was unsure since he was playing weird at the time I made that post and whats why I wanted to hear more from him. Not gonna make any good excuses for not posting before the vote happened, I just was playing Hearthstone since I just got a inv to it and sorta forgot about this game. Even if I was looking at the thread I don't know what I would post since I thought July was scum. Not gonna post indepth reads till after Night actions since a lot can change plus don't want to make this post even longer 1.Poofter-Scummy, haven't looked at his filter since the night started to see if he posted anything to change my opinion 2. Balla- Town Still asking good questions to look for mafia 3. OWB - Still unsure like I said in my first post with reads 4.Nyx- Could be town, posting exactly the same as last game where he was town but with more detail and reasoning which is better 5. Van- town 6.e00e - scum 7. Stor- sort of in the same boat with him as I am with OWB, not really sure 8. Jonny - Not sure again, I liked his posts till night phase, then he started asking stupid questions like the who would you lynch tomorrow if you had 7 votes question 9.Now that he isn't drunk/stressed out from work playing exactly how he did last game which I thought was solid town. 10. Maybe scum, not that strong of an opinion on him currently | ||
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Everything Van said in this post about him is spot on imo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=36#708 While sounds sheepish of me, I honestly can't add much to that argument since Van made such a good case against him. Since that post that Van made Jonny only made one post On November 02 2013 06:33 JonnyLaw wrote: Hey guys, I don't have a lot of time right now but I'll be off work soon. I read through the posts briefly since last night. Whoever said I was frustrated last night by the July lynch was correct. July's play was transparent and just plain bad. He said whatever he wanted when pressured and his best defense was "fuck off I'm town." Ehh...he didn't come off as stupid so that defense wasn't in line with him being scum. Oh well, what's done is done. When I get home I'll check the filters again. Particularly intrigued to see when and how people placed their votes. No one has addressed this issue and it's really the best reads we can get from that lynch. We need look at who joined the July lynch party and when. Examine these facts in relationship to their other posts and we can start to form a picture of the web that got July lynched and we can come up with a better lynch target for day2. If it happens to be me that you decide on after actual fact analysis, so be it. I'll look for myself soon and see what I can come up with here. In regards to cakeman. I don't know if he's scum or town but since the day 1 pressure that came from a couple shitty posts he's been improving his play and acts as though he's genuinely trying to catch scum. I'll check that filter along with the rest. In this post he says he was frustrated with the July lynch, if he was frustrated why vote for him? When he started on Julys defense it was when July had 6 votes and it looked like he was going to get the 7th we needed to lynch him any second, I think it would be a good mafia strat to say some guy is innocent when he knows that guy is gonna die then he gets cred later saying he tried to say he was town, if he really thought July was town wouldn't he try to make a good case against someone else and then vote for that person instead of making a half assed case against Odin and then voting for July anyways? Then like Van pointed out he defends and talks about Cakeman again. | ||
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