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Vanesco
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Vanesco
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We know for a fact that there are definitely 2-3 mafia with a possible SK. With 13 possible players and 2 being confirmed town, that means that 2/11 or 3/11 are mafia while 3/11 or 4/11 are scum. If there are 3 mafia then it would make no sense (in my opinion) for them to be arguing and trying to throw each other under the bus. It's possible, but it seems very idiotic since it shines a bad light on all 3 of them. And if town decides to lynch one of them and the other two end up backing off then it seems even more obvious that they are all mafia together, which would be a terrible play. That is why I am saying that out of Ball, Odin, and Jonny there is 1 non-mafia for sure. Worse case scenario it could be 2 mafia and SK, but I think that almost like my previous post, SK and mafia would rather prefer to stay more in the dark and not in the spotlight. So assuming you agree with my logic thus far, we can conclude that these are the current possible mafia (not including SK): Tehpoofter onlywonderboy nyxnyxnyx Vonthin Vanesco E00e StorrZerg cakemanofdoom Max 2 of Balla24/JonnyLaw/OdinOfPergo From this list you can exclude yourself (if your town, if scum then shame on you). That leaves 9/11 players that could be mafia (I would even so far as just saying all of scum is in that list). So that means that 3/9 or 4/9 of the players currently left on that list are scum. I have also made this post since later on I will give more explanation on each player and hopefully this will help town move in the right direction as well as I will be referencing this later on (I didn't want to post A LOT at once, so I am doing it in slight increments). It's been a while since I last refreshed and the last post is by Balla24 at 10:31 so I apologize if something is repeating. I would also wish for this argument to end between the three of you since I think it has run its course and move on to something else for now. You can come back to each other in a while, but it seems like all 3 of you are getting very frustrated/angry. | ||
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Vanesco
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Vanesco
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For someone that wants to hear us talk about poofter, you seem very negligent to talk about him yourself. Looks kinda like trying to throw someone under the bus. | ||
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Vanesco
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For most of the game he has been trying to be fairly friendly to Balla, too friendly for my liking. Constantly asking questions as if he is confident that balla is not mafia (which only mafia would know). He has also been very aggressive against cake but when it comes to a vote he decides to vote on E00e after there was enough evidence and people voting to be able to jump on him without drawing suspicion. The entire game up till that point, almost every post he talked about his scum reads, cake was in, but then suddenly he decides on E00e after a few votes and accusations where put on him. Next he jumps on the July post, again when some votes and accusations are in. He has seemed to lost his cakeman accusation which he had for more than half the game and seems to be fine on sitting on the easy votes at that time, E00e and then July. He also votes on July after July had voted on him, maybe a revenge vote by poofter. Currently I am curious why his scum read of cake all game long went away and turned to E00e as soon as some votes and accusations of E00e were in. | ||
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Vanesco
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Vanesco
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I don't like how you are (nyx) picking at the way that storr has been formatting his opinion. This is the third time he has formatted that way (cake, july, and now you). I and many others have made long posts, does that make us automatically scum? Anyways nyx, we are trying to currently talk about Jonny and you end up jumping on storr at this moment and redirecting. Could you have waited a bit? (rhetorical question) On the topic of Jonny, I really did not like his early game at all. He came out with a weak accusation on me (which was a complete grab at something non-existent and I shot down every point he made). He also tags thepoofter at the very end because my thought process agreed with him on one thing. He then says he likes cakeman's posts but only those that address me or poofter. He then says he will get back to me and poofter in a minute and nothing happens. He then changes the subject on July and E00e. He then says that he is not sold on me but "whatever". That just seems like he doesn't want to push me because many people have commented back on him and he was in the questioning spotlight for a while. He seemed to back of just for the purpose of not being targeted anymore and instead went for 2 lurkers so that he would be safe for a while. Later Jonny says that he is against lynching odin, but is ok with July/E00e/nyx. Most of those were lurkers at the time but why not Odin. He literally posted nothing up till that point but yet you protect him? Makes no sense. He has been heavy on poofter since the get-go without ever giving actual reads on why he thinks poofter is scum. Now that I look at it more closely, poofter has been on cakeman's case and just a few posts ago cakeman said he still doesn't like poofter. I see no reason why Jonny has been so heavy on poofter but now I see that poofter was pretty aggressive on cake so maybe he is trying to deflect off of cake and onto poofter. He makes a post with a "formatting error" and then comes back 30 minutes later that he had JUST caught up when he was in the forums at least 30 min beforehand at least. I just get weird vibes from that. He then goes on Odin and saying that he was spamming when in fact both of them were arguing and spamming. Again later he says he will vote poofter if there will be majority. Afraid to vote and be called out again? Seems like now he just wants to blend in. Later on he agrees that his accusation on my was poor but "at least it got a discussion". Well if it was poor then why were you so hesitant to drop it? Later on he agrees with cakeman, who he has been the player that poofter didn't like early game. He keeps defending cakeman further saying that we only looked at the bad post on the first page. He also says "Odin coming in throwing out names and then voting cakeman who will not be lynched". He seems fairly confident that cakeman won't be lynched. Later on he comes out with this post I really wanted to push poofter into posting and see what he said about my post on Van. That's why I included him at the end of the post. Poofter was always the guy I wanted pressure but I thought doing it by pressuring van could be more effective. He did respond. Then I made my case on him, which I stand by. I do not think I could get poofter lynched day 1 and still do not. There are so many wrong things its hard to begin. You were pressuring me is basically your way of saying you tried to jump on me, town jumped on you instead and then you backed off. If you wanted to pressure poofter then do that, not somebody else. That is probably one of the most worst ways to ever pressure someone. If you did not think you could lynch poofter day 1 then why go on him with no reads given so far on him in the game. Seems like your waiting for him to tell you things instead of having your own actual reads. Jonny is also the first one to find that cakeman is listed twice. A strange coincidence to me. After that he keeps wanting an Odin lynch all the way until this very post. The only thing he has said about Odin is about him his lies of how many times he has read the thread. Those are not even really too relevant to the game. It is probably one of the weakest points you can make on Odin being scummy. OVERALL: Jonny is reading super scummy to me. None of his people he has had major reads on which are myself, poofter, and Odin have any good accusations and seem to be reaching. Also it seems like a pattern of Jonny defending cakeman has come up WAY to many times. I would say I think Jonny is a strong scum read for me atm with cakeman as his partner, but I would have to review cakeman's play 1 more time before feeling completely confident in adding him in with Jonny. | ||
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So I pressure cakeman early on and he tries to deflect to OWB. He has a small talk with Jonny where Jonny thinks that cake might be scum but he will not give his reasons why (I have already started pressuring cake so he is basically just bandwagoning and refusing to say why). Later on however it seems that cake is actually asking Jonny what seem to me as decent town questions. This doesn't mean he can't be mafia, but leans more town than mafia. But later on when he is giving his scum reads he leaves Jonny out of it which to me seemed strange because I thought that one of his few scum reads would be on Jonny, especially since he says he didn't "see much value in Jonny's case" but for some reason he doesn't. Again here he gives out his scum reads and he is riding hard on poofter (poofter also pretty hard on cake) but I still don't understand what made him think all of the sudden Jonny is not scummy from his earlier play. He also jumps on poofter but his accusations I think are very weak. Who else hasn't liked poofter very much up till this point? Jonny. I see some type of relationship bonding. Later on he defends Jonny by saying that Cuz Jonny, the guy you're attacking right now, is pretty far from being our lynch today. I suspected Jonny after his bad van case. His poofter case doesn't seem much better; I agree with the conclusion, but it seems more quotes than analysis. I do agree that Odin doesn't look great though; I can't tell whether the guy read the thread or not. He's said both that he's only on page 12 after he said he read the thread 4 times. And Odin seems to be rehashing old arguments for the most part. Pushing for an Odin lynch right now, though, seems more disruptive than anything else considering how there are other decent lynches. Also, I don't know why Jonny would be the first to defend me if he was mafia, since it should be more convenient for suspicion to stay on me. This reason doesn't apply to anyone else though since no one else can confirm that I'm town. So yeah, from anyone else's perspective I understand the suspicion on Jonny. But I don't think he can/should be lynched today. Most people seem to be suspecting July, E00e, or Storr. I'm not too sure about opinions on other people, but let's pick from one of those, unless a lot of people come out and claim vote desires that I haven't picked up on. ##Unvote Tehpoofter ##Vote: July617 I'm feeling that July's the one most people have their eyes on. Aside from maybe E00e, who I think has posted better than July. Here he states he suspected Jonny but never put him on his scum list? Looks like cake is just saying this for convenience sake. Also his saying that it doesn't make sense for Jonny to defend him is logical...unless both cake and jonny are mafia, then it completely makes sense for Jonny to defend cake. And again he seems fairly certain that Jonny will not be lynched. Things are just seeming to coincidental too many times between the two of them. Was defending me an easy defense? Jonny was the first to defend me, and I think mafia would have preferred to leave suspicion on me. Jonny's early defense on me looks towny to me, because I think scum would try to leave suspicion on me as long as possible. Aside from that, I don't see enough suspicion of him so I think votes on him would be wasted. Again and again, if you are both mafia then it makes complete sense. 3 times you have brought this point up. Also, Jonny's van case mentioned that I was looking more noob town. So did you suspect him or think of him as noob town. Your read on the same play has changed many times over the course of the game. Seems pretty scummy. And whoa, votes for E00e. I'm a bit worried since I don't trust owb or nyx right now, but E00e's still lurky and not posting except when directly called out does look bad enough that I'm okay with lynching him. Guess I'll be switch to vote him soon, unless some other wagon gets going? This here scared me alot. cake is basically saying "ya I have better reads on others. Not gonna try to convince town since it might make me look bad, so I'll just go with majority vote". I don't really know what to think of the Jonny vs. Odin. Jonny's cases were usually pretty bad And yet you have not once made Jonny one of your scum reads. | ||
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