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On November 05 2013 10:07 onlywonderboy wrote:
Turns out he wasn't wrong about his fate.
I wonder what the hell the blue roles for this game even are. Johnny was a solid choice for a medic save, although I suppose Balla was also a potential target so they might have tried to save him. Ball and Storr probably aren't blue, so all of our blue power lies in our lurkers. I guess that's good because they aren't being targeted, but it sucks we aren't getting any blue information.
Not really... also means mafia isnt getting any blue information to kill...
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@Storr, he had no role... it says vt
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Yeah i feel the same way about that post... its like he was expecting jonny to flip blue or something... barely any time for anybody to claim anything yet he says we're not getting any blue information... weird..
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It's the timing i'm worried about. Had you said that 2 hours later I wouldn't find it weird at all
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On November 05 2013 10:19 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:19 Balla24 wrote:
Yeah i feel the same way about that post... its like he was expecting jonny to flip blue or something... barely any time for anybody to claim anything yet he says we're not getting any blue information... weird.. not to mention how confident he is about you and i being VT
But... if you think it wasn't a blue snipe then you can't think OWB is scummy for this IMO... one or the other.
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On November 05 2013 10:24 onlywonderboy wrote:
I saw he flipped town and that's the first thing that came to mind. I don't see how having two hours to think it over really changes anything. I had a thought come to mind and decided I should post it since I was getting so much shit for not talking.
understandable.... 2 hours gives time for claims... not everyone is around for deadline... especially not lynch deadline
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I want to hear from Odin... very suspiciously missing from everything...
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EBWOP: "especially not night deadline"
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On November 05 2013 10:32 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:27 Balla24 wrote:On November 05 2013 10:24 onlywonderboy wrote:
I saw he flipped town and that's the first thing that came to mind. I don't see how having two hours to think it over really changes anything. I had a thought come to mind and decided I should post it since I was getting so much shit for not talking. understandable.... 2 hours gives time for claims... not everyone is around for deadline... especially not lynch deadline Can you elaborate on this? I can't tell if you're being serious. I mean there is a lot that can happen in two hours, but I wanted to make sure I posted my thoughts since I had a chance to give my original opinion on something. There's been a lot of times in my thread where I've been so far behind it's been hard to come up with new reads and not just seem like I'm sheeping because other people have already stated most of my opinions.
What do you want me to elaborate on? It's pretty obvious what i'm trying to say. Waiting before posting about not having any blue information seems sensible instead of immediately assuming we're not going to get any blue information...
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Alrighty... i'll be back in one or 2 hours to make some cases.
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No, because you were agreeing with me on the fact that it looked like OWB seemed like he scum expecting a blue flip from Jonny.
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On November 05 2013 11:18 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 11:13 Balla24 wrote:
No, because you were agreeing with me on the fact that it looked like OWB seemed like he scum expecting a blue flip from Jonny. can you fully say what you thought? you basically said, if you think this then you can't think that... i don't understand that statement and i would like you to "spell it out"
Look, it's simple:
Here are the 2 hypotheses:
1. Jonnylaw was not an attempted blue snipe.
2. OWB was surprised that jonnylaw didn't flip blue right after the lynch, which makes him seem like a scum player who was attempting to blue snipe.
They contradict each other, so it's one or the other.
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On November 05 2013 11:39 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Balla can you explain the owb/odin pairing? I'm not sure I understood the arguments.
Sure. I have 2 reasons for thinking this is a possible pairing. This is no longer my highest pairing as it was when I posted it.
First, why Odin has a relationship with poofter: Jonny pointed out to me that Odin had quite a lot of votes when I switched to him, he had something like 3-5 votes, while July had less. Shortly after I switched, I noticed poofter switched to July off of E00. Why did he not go onto odin, who had more votes? Makes me suspicious of Odin/poofter combo.
Second: owb does not mention Odin once throughout his entire filter, besides two points where he is talking about what other people said in regards to odin. No opinions of his own.
I think it is very likely if odin or owb is scum, then they are a team together.
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Now let's discuss current lynch targets. I propose 3 targets...
OWB, Storr and Vonthin
Either kill will give us information on the other.
Jonny and I established that OWB cannot be a scumpair with either Storr or Vonthin, which makes him less likely to be mafia IMO, however killing him yields information about the other two if he does not flip scum.
Vonthin cannot be a scumteam with OWB, but he could easily be paired with Storr or someone else. As we talked about during nightphase and end of d2, Storr/Vonthin/Poofter looks very good.
Storr cannot be a scumteam with OWB. Storr was VERY disruptive/anti-town during nightphase IMO, which would make him a priority lynch if we weren't trying to find teams.
There are other teams possible, Jonny shared some and I shared some. We need to decide which person is the most likely to flip scum out of all the teams, and if he can give us good information if they end up flipping town..
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I also feel like I need to repeat this again: CHECK YOUR PMs. If you were roleblocked, please let the town know.
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Hey man I'm just laying out the possibilities. I've had a town read on him all game but there are some things that don't 100% add up. I still have a town read on him, but at this point I need to evaluate regarding poofter and decide whether it is strange or not. I think it's strange.
All I'm saying is:
Odin had 4 votes
July had 2 (you and StorrZerg)
Poofter votes July instead of Odin. Could mean something could not. I choose to believe it could mean something until proven otherwise. I'm not going to make it a priority to prove but i'm not ruling it out either.
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OWB not mentioning Odin could be purely coincidental, I do agree with the read that he doesn't have many opinions of his own. But the fact that he doesn't mention him at all in this game is odd to me.
As a 1st time scum player, I was making it my duty to NOT mention my teammates names ever... like if they made a case on something I would just ignore it and indirectly address it... it was the best way to avoid getting paired. As you get more experienced the best way is to put red-herrings in your play (call your teammate scum, etc).
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Alright, here's what I think:
1. We kill vonthin: he flips scum, woohoo, we pinpoint last mafia by throwing out OWB. he flips town, we go from there with a focus on OWB
2. We kill OWB: he flips scum, woohoo, we pinpoint last mafia by throwing out Storr/Vonthin and find last mafia. he flips town, we go from there with a focus on vonthin/storr
3. We kill storr: he flips scum, woohoo, we pinpoint last mafia by throwing out OWB. he flips town, we go from there with focus on OWB.
I think it's that clear cut. No matter who we lynch out of the three we end up in a similar situation regardless of what the outcome is. I'd like to lynch storr. The fact that there was no mafia roleblock sells it to me. He was the only one who was really pressuring me about that besides Jonnylaw (who is conveniently dead now....), what better way to do it then to try to act like there is no mafia roleblocker... it doesn't help that his night2 posts were absolutely and completely anti-town.
##vote StorrZerg
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What I mean by similar situation is "if we're right then we're in a good position, if we're wrong then we're in a decent position"... obviously we still want to lynch correctly. I think StorrZerg is our best chance at that.
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EPT
