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On November 05 2013 03:31 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm not sure Balla. Poofter was the fourth vote. You think he joined the bandwagon just to say he changed his mind and it was too easy?
I mean, I see where you're coming from with that point. Then poofter's vote is on E00e at some point so if he's caught it will draw attention away from himself. I think E00e's voting pattern is more significant.
I agree, that's why I'm railing into him about it ATM. He's not responding though.
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If I just look at OWB's filter, I get more and more scum vibes from him. As a townie, he was starting to loosen up last game, this game he's reverting back to his game 1 tendencies, and he's being a lot more inactive. He's always said he's had trouble starting out with stuff, and he reacted poorly under pressure in almost all situations. I could definitely see him rolling scum, not enjoying it and having trouble adapting and then rectifying that by lurking a lot.
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On November 04 2013 13:14 Balla24 wrote:
OWB:
OWB -> Poofter interactions:
- No real interaction with poofter. Didn't really like the day1 case on him (I didn't either).
- Day 2, says he will read his filter after admitting he was tunnel visioning on vonthin, then nothing until soon before vote where he says everybody has already made up their mind on poofter and his vote wouldn't matter. Kind of annoying.... means I don't know where he stood before the vote.
Voting patterns:
D1: E00, decided between E00 and Storr. "Surprised" at july vote, where he did somewhat defend him before he went AFK.
D2: Vonthin. Barely considered anyone else. Admitted he tunnel visioned.
Poofter -> OWB interactions:
-Doesn't mention OWB at ALL until end of D2 where he insta votes him on return to thread, says he doesn't really have reasoning to vote him. I don't buy that. There has to be a reason. Could be as simple as panic vote... could be as complicated as a buss. Who knows. Hard to read.
- Says to look at Jonny/Cake/OWB when he flips town... eh... kind of wanna disregard this completely...
When I look at my summary post here. This is definitely wayyyyyy more consistent with new scum players than E00's is.
OWB soft-defends poofter on day1, tunnel visions on vonthin. Neither of them really mention each other besides that until D2, where owb almost completly ignores the case on poofter even after admitting he tunnel visioned on vonthin.
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A note on Odin/OWB interactions:
OWB does not mention odin at all in his filter besides paraphrasing what others said about him. Might be onto something here.
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I just don't want people who have pushing certain people all game to be talking about that person still. For example, I don't want Storr to be talking about nyxx and nyx about storr. So yes, openmindedness.
At this point also, I think it would be beneficial to switch over to discussing your possible pairs instead of individual targets. We have 2 days worth of interactions. It becomes harder to analyze but also easier to come to conclusions. Especially when our main evidence on day3 is going to be interactions with poofter.
For now, i'd say my top pairs are (in order of most suspicious to least suspicious):
Owb/Odin
Vonthin/Storr
Vonthin/E00
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On November 05 2013 04:13 JonnyLaw wrote:
Looking at the voting owb and storr are not both scum. Owb would have thrown his vote on July before leaving for the day. Simple as that.
Storr put his vote on july early and left it there. He gained credibility early by posting advice on how to play the game. Then by leaving his vote there it makes people look at july every time there is a vote post. "oh yeah July's an option."
I'm poring over storr's filter at the moment. It's large.
Nah dude how can you say that... poofter was on E00 still... why would OWB switch to July when E00 still had some votes?
On Storr i'm willing to agree but hesitantly. Only reason being his day2 vote thing with poofter. No way he would have bussed poofter like that (when he thought the day was ending).
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On November 05 2013 04:14 onlywonderboy wrote:
Fuck. I know I've been playing like shit this game. Not trying to make excuses, but this has been by far the busiest I've been during a mafia game. I tried to contribute by focusing on Von, but I put all my eggs in one basket and didn't move onto other reads when I realized people weren't interested in voting Von day 2. I know I've made a lot of weak promises this game, but I hope I can find time to make some posts and participate in the discussion so I can better help the town with day 3 and of course prove my innocence.
Bullshit. Start now.
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EBWOP: @Jonny... sry sry sry i totally understand what you're saying I agree 100%
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On top of that Storr was interested in lynching OWB on day 2 pretty much the entire day.
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On November 05 2013 04:26 StorrZerg wrote:
im back, balla still want me to do that filter on tehpoofter about E00e?
Nah. You're good, do whatt u want to dooooooo~
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IIRC that post about dayviging you was in response to you backing off a bit from Odin and suggesting other targets instead of July:
On November 01 2013 06:45 JonnyLaw wrote:
As the deadline approaches I still don't see how july is the best lynch target. July's posting with confidence albeit it's not good.
If july flips town what have we learned? Absolutely nothing.
Even E00e is better because he condemned Odin so harshly.
Storr is even better at this point. He's still failing to contribute anything useful.
Fuck it, if we need 7th vote I'm doing it but I see no gain of information from July's shitposting.
Obzy and I were also a bit annoyed with that post, but looking back it was a good post. I would chalk that up to just being annoyed with the post and posting emotionally, i mean, dayviging isn't even in this game.
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Hahahaha I love that post, Jonny... dunno why I find it funny but yeahhhhhhhhh
Alright. I feel comfortable heading into day3 now. Only people i'd still like to hear from is Obzy and Odin and obviously defenses from the accused.
Should be an interesting night.
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I disagree... I kind of wish he had kept it to himself since it clogs up the thread and he's not confirmed town BUT better than nothing.
His thought process is simple: process of elimination. He listed people he was willing to clear as town due to interactions with poofter, and then he decided that the rest of them are the last candidates for scum. How is that bad?
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vonthin > owb > storr> odin
I think either vonthin/owb or owb/storr is a logical first lynch considering we've hypothesized that they are not scum pairs together.
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lol are you serious? why dont you just look it up? seems so forced... 8PM est as always
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Also willing to adjust. Certainly matters what happens at night anyways.
StorrZerg i'm getting annoyed by you saying "planning" day3 is bad. We're not planning anything. We're leaving our reads on the table incase we die.
Also, what reason do we have to look at poofter's dying words?... they mean absolutely nothing because they could mean ANYTHING and are most likely meant to throw us off...
BUT, i'll bite. It's obvious why poofter says jonny/cake. Mafia killed vanesco last night for the sole reason of pushing his reads to the forefront. It was a last minute ploy to try to get people to back off of him.
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I don't think so either... which is why I think it's useless to speculate about it.. there's so many ways he could be trying to throw us off. Not worth thinking about. It's like mango defending himself after someone red checks him. It just gets so confusing thinking about what he's saying.
On "plans". I completely disagree... it's helpful for when one of us do die... town can then speculate. It's discussion. Stop trying to stunt discussion.
Please don't discuss nightkill though... makes it harder to analyze nightkill when it occurs, because it adds even more circular logic to it.
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I don't really understand why you're interested in the answer? Seems like you want me to defend you... I've made my case on both of you previously. You can decide why on your own... Sorry, I really don't feel comfortable answering that Q.
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EPT
