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On October 28 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Ok thats a really bad reason to call me scum Seuss. Show nested quote +Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like.
Still a lot of associations? Quote more than the one I said about Koshi/rayn/sent please. Marv and Prome get different treatment because of different meta's.
That was just one example of unexplained logic, but sure.
On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after.
Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town.
That's the only other example. I felt there were more but that was due to my final point. I find your posting style hard to follow so a lot of what I felt were non-sequitur arguments were, on further review, consistent.
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On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently  The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about.
It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up.
I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum.
I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy.
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On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something
Sorry, you got lost in the shuffle. I saw your point about Pandain's initial attack, but didn't respond directly since I was trying to catch up on the rest of the thread.
I concede your point on Pandain's initial attack. That was obviously a joke and Pandain should definitely have dropped that line of attack. We were talking past each other a lot earlier, as I was focused primarily on your delegate/undelegate and you must have been focused on your joke.
For the record your delegate/undelegate still bothers me. I looked through your arguments and your only defense when Pandain brought it up was to deflect attention by bringing up his fixation on your first joke action, so I don't think this is particularly resolved (though you obviously undid whatever it was). That said, with Pandain and Clarity_nl up on the chopping block right now that's a matter which can rest until later, especially as marvellosity will possibly have some new insights on it tomorrow.
I touched on this earlier, both in this post and in an earlier one, but I agree with Oatsmaster that Pandain's unwillingness to drop his vote when it was clear you were joking is suspicious. If that was all there was to it I'd write it off as a mistake, but he came out with that weak "late night emotions" excuse, and since hasn't been doing a good job arguing in his defense. He's got one post and all it says is:
On October 29 2013 00:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 29 2013 00:19 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall
It's just another weak excuse. Maybe I'm misreading, but it sounds like he's saying his own reasons for keeping his vote on your are no longer valid, so why is his vote still on you? I don't get it.
Regarding Clarity_nl, I understand why people think he's a decent target but I'm not sold on it. I do find his recent thread exit conspicuous and confusing, but as a scum play it's seems bad to run in, make people think you're scum, and exit stage right. The criticism of his initial post was warranted, but for most of his follow up posts if you'd hidden the names and made me try to choose between him, Oatsmaster, and you (rayn) I wouldn't have been able to do it.
This is all made more awkward by the fact that neither Pandain nor Clarity_nl are here to defend themselves any more.
While I was writing this we apparently started analyzing Koshi, so at least we won't be listless.
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On October 29 2013 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 05:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 29 2013 04:45 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something Sorry, you got lost in the shuffle. I saw your point about Pandain's initial attack, but didn't respond directly since I was trying to catch up on the rest of the thread. I concede your point on Pandain's initial attack. That was obviously a joke and Pandain should definitely have dropped that line of attack. We were talking past each other a lot earlier, as I was focused primarily on your delegate/undelegate and you must have been focused on your joke.For the record your delegate/undelegate still bothers me. I looked through your arguments and your only defense when Pandain brought it up was to deflect attention by bringing up his fixation on your first joke action, so I don't think this is particularly resolved (though you obviously undid whatever it was). That said, with Pandain and Clarity_nl up on the chopping block right now that's a matter which can rest until later, especially as marvellosity will possibly have some new insights on it tomorrow. I touched on this earlier, both in this post and in an earlier one, but I agree with Oatsmaster that Pandain's unwillingness to drop his vote when it was clear you were joking is suspicious. If that was all there was to it I'd write it off as a mistake, but he came out with that weak "late night emotions" excuse, and since hasn't been doing a good job arguing in his defense. He's got one post and all it says is: On October 29 2013 00:40 Pandain wrote:On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 29 2013 00:19 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall It's just another weak excuse. Maybe I'm misreading, but it sounds like he's saying his own reasons for keeping his vote on your are no longer valid, so why is his vote still on you? I don't get it. Regarding Clarity_nl, I understand why people think he's a decent target but I'm not sold on it. I do find his recent thread exit conspicuous and confusing, but as a scum play it's seems bad to run in, make people think you're scum, and exit stage right. The criticism of his initial post was warranted, but for most of his follow up posts if you'd hidden the names and made me try to choose between him, Oatsmaster, and you (rayn) I wouldn't have been able to do it. This is all made more awkward by the fact that neither Pandain nor Clarity_nl are here to defend themselves any more. While I was writing this we apparently started analyzing Koshi, so at least we won't be listless. The bolded part. I especially stated i am not talking about my power use on marv (like Oats pointed out aswell - Pandain called out my first obvjoke). About the power use. Pandain should know, that if anyone in this game, i am able to fake this kinda stuff. My question to you still stands (same thing i asked from Pandain). Why is he calling me out on something that he can't even know what it means. There is no possible way he can know what power i used on marv. Like Prome said it earlier, what if it is a mason power? Why bring up something that you can't possibly say is alignment indicative given the information you have available? To me it looks like he is calling me out for the sake of calling me out. There is absolutely no reason anyone should think i am scum because of i used a power on marv, as you can't possibly tell what the power in question is. That's a fact and i do not know why Pandain makes a case on me based on that (and other stupid stuff) and why you do feel the same. goddamn. for filter.
By itself your use of a power on marv is not proof of scumhood, it's just a point of data. Like it or not, it's going to fit into the narrative of raynpelikoneet for the rest of the game. It stands out amongst everything else you've done because it's an actual use of power and marv is going to reap the consequences or benefits tonight. I don't think anyone can make a case against you solely based on that, but you're probably going to be hearing a lot about it as the game goes on.
Thanks for clarifying that you didn't succeed in cancelling it by the way. Although it would likely have come out tomorrow anyway, it's useful information.
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On October 29 2013 05:10 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:29 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2013 22:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai marv.
I can talk about Prome for just a little bit atm if you'd like, but I'm nor sure how long I'll be around so we won't be able to pick each other's brains as per usual. What exactly were you saving up regarding your townread of him to tell me?
Oh and regarding Seuss (monte it's so weird to call you that) he seems pretty town to me. Like he said I coached him and his behaviour falls pretty in line with his last newbie, as well as what you determined to be him rolefishing. I give him the WaveofShadow newbie stamp of approval for now, though I would really like to hear some reads from him, as I know he is pretty capable of good analysis with way less to work with than has been posted in this thread. Yay stamp of approval. Now that I'm not distracted by marv here are my current thoughts. Promethelax: Probably town. When I, an unknown entity, entered the thread his first response was to solicit my opinion in a neutral way, and keep drawing more information from me regarding my mindset. This was good, pro-town play, as it lets him and everyone else get the chance to form a read on me. In general I'd call him inquisitive, he likes poking where there's gaps in information. He's been a bit more confrontational with some of the other posters, but confrontational isn't inherently anti-town. Without him we'd probably know a lot less right now. I can get why people would find his "I can't meta Pandain" and apparent lack of scum reads concerning, but on the whole I think he's clearly town. strongandbig: No idea, but unless he starts posting a crapton before the voting deadline I think we're better off pursuing someone else. We stand to learn absolutely nothing by lynching him, though applying pressure might help loosen his tongue.Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like. You guys move faster than I can analyze and parse. Waugh. Very poor post, list format instead of comprehensive. Also what is the middle paragraph which is a basic "I don't know." Also his other posts are really wishy-washy and constantly changing. I do think he's worth looking out for though shouldn't be a lynch target today.
I don't think you should find my middle paragraph so surprising, I was just following up on an earlier post of mine:
On October 28 2013 13:28 Seuss wrote:
That said, what was with strongandbig's Vanilla Town claim? He just appeared, claimed, and disappeared. Is this another "that's just strongandbig" thing?
Which was completely ignored, but probably with good reason as other interesting conversations were happening at the time and, admittedly, there's not much going on here. I was struggling with the whole "meta" thing a bit at the time because I'd been rebuffed fairly dismissively on "meta" ground for being suspicious of Oatsmaster.
You say I was bullshitting, but I had very clear goals when I made that post: Give my strongest town read, my strongest scum read, and follow up briefly on the only independent post I made. Was there anything wrong with my other two reads beyond being in list format?
As a final, somewhat unrelated question, what is this "comprehensive" format you're talking about (as far as I can tell it's basically list format without colons), and why is it better?
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On October 29 2013 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 05:13 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 29 2013 05:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 29 2013 04:45 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something Sorry, you got lost in the shuffle. I saw your point about Pandain's initial attack, but didn't respond directly since I was trying to catch up on the rest of the thread. I concede your point on Pandain's initial attack. That was obviously a joke and Pandain should definitely have dropped that line of attack. We were talking past each other a lot earlier, as I was focused primarily on your delegate/undelegate and you must have been focused on your joke.For the record your delegate/undelegate still bothers me. I looked through your arguments and your only defense when Pandain brought it up was to deflect attention by bringing up his fixation on your first joke action, so I don't think this is particularly resolved (though you obviously undid whatever it was). That said, with Pandain and Clarity_nl up on the chopping block right now that's a matter which can rest until later, especially as marvellosity will possibly have some new insights on it tomorrow. I touched on this earlier, both in this post and in an earlier one, but I agree with Oatsmaster that Pandain's unwillingness to drop his vote when it was clear you were joking is suspicious. If that was all there was to it I'd write it off as a mistake, but he came out with that weak "late night emotions" excuse, and since hasn't been doing a good job arguing in his defense. He's got one post and all it says is: On October 29 2013 00:40 Pandain wrote:On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 29 2013 00:19 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall It's just another weak excuse. Maybe I'm misreading, but it sounds like he's saying his own reasons for keeping his vote on your are no longer valid, so why is his vote still on you? I don't get it. Regarding Clarity_nl, I understand why people think he's a decent target but I'm not sold on it. I do find his recent thread exit conspicuous and confusing, but as a scum play it's seems bad to run in, make people think you're scum, and exit stage right. The criticism of his initial post was warranted, but for most of his follow up posts if you'd hidden the names and made me try to choose between him, Oatsmaster, and you (rayn) I wouldn't have been able to do it. This is all made more awkward by the fact that neither Pandain nor Clarity_nl are here to defend themselves any more. While I was writing this we apparently started analyzing Koshi, so at least we won't be listless. The bolded part. I especially stated i am not talking about my power use on marv (like Oats pointed out aswell - Pandain called out my first obvjoke). About the power use. Pandain should know, that if anyone in this game, i am able to fake this kinda stuff. My question to you still stands (same thing i asked from Pandain). Why is he calling me out on something that he can't even know what it means. There is no possible way he can know what power i used on marv. Like Prome said it earlier, what if it is a mason power? Why bring up something that you can't possibly say is alignment indicative given the information you have available? To me it looks like he is calling me out for the sake of calling me out. There is absolutely no reason anyone should think i am scum because of i used a power on marv, as you can't possibly tell what the power in question is. That's a fact and i do not know why Pandain makes a case on me based on that (and other stupid stuff) and why you do feel the same. goddamn. for filter. By itself your use of a power on marv is not proof of scumhood, it's just a point of data. Like it or not, it's going to fit into the narrative of raynpelikoneet for the rest of the game. It stands out amongst everything else you've done because it's an actual use of power and marv is going to reap the consequences or benefits tonight. I don't think anyone can make a case against you solely based on that, but you're probably going to be hearing a lot about it as the game goes on. Thanks for clarifying that you didn't succeed in cancelling it by the way. Although it would likely have come out tomorrow anyway, it's useful information. Of course it's a point of data. Everything is a point of data. Do you think a scum player would be more likely to out their power to someone who is town? Or do you think we are both scum with marv? Why would i as scum make a possibly target of myself regarding my power and uses of it (in case you think marv is town). How does that make sense? In case i am scum and marv is town i have given out my power and i will be held responsible of how i use it. I have no way to fuck up the town with it, i must do what's in town's best interest regarding my power and if i fail i will get lynched for it. So why is this again scummy for you in the first place?
Largely because of how you've generally been extremely evasive about it. Like I said before, when Pandain brought it up you didn't say, "This shouldn't seem scummy to you." You said, "But you got on my case because of my other action." which can't really be called a response despite all the heat Pandain's taken.
I think that in the heat of a mass power reveal is the perfect time for scum to reveal powers, and we don't really know what your power does yet so it's too early to write you off. There are a lot of possibilities when it comes to the relationship between you and marv, but they're not really relevant to the fact that you tend to change the subject quickly whenever your power comes up.
Lately you've been a little better and more forthcoming, but just as Pandain's taken a lot of heat for his vote due to its timing, I'm not going to ignore your earlier evasiveness just because you've shaped up a bit since.
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On October 29 2013 06:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 05:59 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 05:10 Pandain wrote:On October 28 2013 23:29 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2013 22:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai marv.
I can talk about Prome for just a little bit atm if you'd like, but I'm nor sure how long I'll be around so we won't be able to pick each other's brains as per usual. What exactly were you saving up regarding your townread of him to tell me?
Oh and regarding Seuss (monte it's so weird to call you that) he seems pretty town to me. Like he said I coached him and his behaviour falls pretty in line with his last newbie, as well as what you determined to be him rolefishing. I give him the WaveofShadow newbie stamp of approval for now, though I would really like to hear some reads from him, as I know he is pretty capable of good analysis with way less to work with than has been posted in this thread. Yay stamp of approval. Now that I'm not distracted by marv here are my current thoughts. Promethelax: Probably town. When I, an unknown entity, entered the thread his first response was to solicit my opinion in a neutral way, and keep drawing more information from me regarding my mindset. This was good, pro-town play, as it lets him and everyone else get the chance to form a read on me. In general I'd call him inquisitive, he likes poking where there's gaps in information. He's been a bit more confrontational with some of the other posters, but confrontational isn't inherently anti-town. Without him we'd probably know a lot less right now. I can get why people would find his "I can't meta Pandain" and apparent lack of scum reads concerning, but on the whole I think he's clearly town. strongandbig: No idea, but unless he starts posting a crapton before the voting deadline I think we're better off pursuing someone else. We stand to learn absolutely nothing by lynching him, though applying pressure might help loosen his tongue.Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like. You guys move faster than I can analyze and parse. Waugh. Very poor post, list format instead of comprehensive. Also what is the middle paragraph which is a basic "I don't know." Also his other posts are really wishy-washy and constantly changing. I do think he's worth looking out for though shouldn't be a lynch target today. I don't think you should find my middle paragraph so surprising, I was just following up on an earlier post of mine: On October 28 2013 13:28 Seuss wrote:
That said, what was with strongandbig's Vanilla Town claim? He just appeared, claimed, and disappeared. Is this another "that's just strongandbig" thing? Which was completely ignored, but probably with good reason as other interesting conversations were happening at the time and, admittedly, there's not much going on here. I was struggling with the whole "meta" thing a bit at the time because I'd been rebuffed fairly dismissively on "meta" ground for being suspicious of Oatsmaster. You say I was bullshitting, but I had very clear goals when I made that post: Give my strongest town read, my strongest scum read, and follow up briefly on the only independent post I made. Was there anything wrong with my other two reads beyond being in list format? As a final, somewhat unrelated question, what is this "comprehensive" format you're talking about (as far as I can tell it's basically list format without colons), and why is it better? I'd assume devoting a post to each person and using specific evidence to advance your argument.
Except he went hog wild for this post from rayn:
On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay marv this looks much better. First things first. You will not get the PM until the deadline, i asked about it from the hosts. This is important. As that is the case, consider my twerk null. Another interesting thing. Your Promethelax "townslip" thingy, or what makes you think he is town. I find that reasonable, although i am not sure if i agree with that. I know i could, as scum, do what you are giving Prome a townread for. What is really interesting about it is WoS' reaction to the post. He doesn't seem to be agreeing with what you said as his vote yet remains on Prome. That's not what's weird in it however, what is weird is that he does not address the post in any way, he just let's it be like it didn't happen. If he thinks that does not make Prome town, why not say "i disagree" or something, as, by default, he should disagree with the post in case he still has a scumread on Prome.
WaveofShadow why did you not say at any point, that you disagree with marv's reasoning about Prome being town and how does that not make sense? Why you just skip over the post and not address it in any way?
I agree what's been said about Clarity, his case on Oats makes no sense given Oats' play this game and their history. If anything, Oats could be scum for making more sense than usual, but the reasons Clarity brings up are definitely bullshit. ^^
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something.
Prome, what do you think of marv's reasoning on you being town? Do you think he is right in what he says?
I also agree with what's been said about Koshi. He's really "quiet" and doesn't seem to be trying to do anything...
Which, as far as I can tell, is similar to what I did except he didn't use colons or bold text. Just imagine the paragraphs starting with marv:, WaveOfShadow: etc. and I don't see the difference.
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On October 29 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh god that post is so bad...
Care to elaborate?
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On October 29 2013 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can't call me out for being evasive as i wanted to use a power on marv, you yourself said claiming powers is bad, and now i am scummy for being evasive about my power. What, should i claim?
Also the first chapter is a straight out lie.
It's not about claiming. You could simply say, "I can't answer short of claiming." Instead you change the subject.
The first "chapter" (paragraph) references this post:
On October 28 2013 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +Either you totally bullshitted and bullshitted for three posts which I couldn't know you were lying or it's super obvious that you used a power on Marv. Pandain why are you using this as a reasoning to why i am scum when it's clear that you voted for me because of my earlier "power use" that should have been an obvious joke for you?
You don't really address his suggestion at all. Like I said before, I'll grant that popular opinion is that Pandain got up in your grill for no reason and he's currently set to be lynched as a result, but that doesn't change the fact that you completely avoided his argument here.
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On October 29 2013 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Let me be more clear. This is what you say: Show nested quote +Largely because of how you've generally been extremely evasive about it. Like I said before, when Pandain brought it up you didn't say, "This shouldn't seem scummy to you." You said, "But you got on my case because of my other action." which can't really be called a response despite all the heat Pandain's taken. This is what i have been saying all the time: Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Pandain this has gone to role fishing. Stop it already. There is nothing alignment indicative in my role use, at least nothing scummy. Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 08:52 Pandain wrote:
I don't want your role, I think it's suspicious for a blue to reveal its effects to an unverified character.
You can't possibly say that if you do not know the effects. Now explain. Please.
On October 29 2013 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I said at first he was rolefishing, because to me it sounded like (1) he wanted to know if i actually did use a power or not or (2) if i did, based on what he said earlier, he was rolefishing (because somehow it would be scummy for me to use a power).
Fair point. The one post I quoted really stuck in my mind because of how far apart your response was from his inquiry, but your response is reasonable given your posts which preceded it. I can't really find any further fault beyond my general predisposition against the massive power reveal at the start, which is something of a personal preference and not an argument.
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On October 29 2013 06:44 Promethelax wrote:
Kinda...yeas I'm torn. Not that I'm very against the clarity lynch but well, Jesus look at the filter. And the cognitive dissonance is stunningly obvious, actually, I've convinced myself.
##Vote: OOOHCHILD
I'll help with the pressure. We had a bunch of people like this in my last game and it honestly killed a lot of the fun. Hopefully he comes make a better accounting of himself.
##Vote: OOHCHILD
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On October 29 2013 09:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 09:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 08:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Still busy for the next little bit but checking in:
Didn't believe me that OOHCHILD is a smurf? The 'test' is in all likelihood a check to make sure he was posting on the right account. I wouldn't feel bad policy lynching that shit if for no other reason than to show it's doable on TL. His case goes beyond simple lurker lynch imo and would not be a bad choice.
Rayn/koshi---i don't really understand how you're both so surprised about my comment. No offense but ever since Persona I've found the two of your town combination real annoying, and I was thinking that since a lot of people have scumreads on koshi it may mean they're not both town---hence the not being butt-buddies this game.
Koshi's list post gives me pause however; I think he MAY be town for it but I have to gather my thoughts and still post re: Prome when I can. I may just end up on the safe route and take OOHCHILD because I'm not sold on Clarity like I've said. I'm sorry, I'm trying not to comment on too many inconsequential things, but this is ludicrous. If someone is capable of smurfing, then someone is capable of looking at the top left to see who they're signed in as rather than having to post "test". This is spectacularly dumb, Wave. Really? Well I guess all of the smurfslips we've seen in past games are.....what exactly? Are people not looking at who they're signed in as. If you're thinking enough to post "test" then you're thinking enough to look at who you're signed in as. I disagree, but like you said, inconsequential. Convince me that Clarity is scum, marv. I literally could not have said anymore, and I think it's pretty dodgy you're saying this. Stop being bad please, it's giving me scumvibes. Too bad. If you want me to lynch your target then you should be looking to convince me, no? I'm not convinced. Be back in a little while. You, yourself, said "yuck" to Clarity's post, and since then, he just went to play dota and disappeared? Why aren't *you* convinced given what you've posted, or at least convinced enough to vote him over OOCHILD? That's really weak, WoS. So Clarity pushing an obviously bad case makes him scum? I see the point you make regarding he should know he's bad and not push it, but I posit that it's entirely possible that, you know, he wouldn't be pushing a bad case in the first place if he was scum because it looks like shit and would cause these problems for himself. I agreed with your 'yuck' I am not convinced it's bad-scum. And yet you're convinced enough that OOCHILD would make himself blatantly voteable by doing absolutely nothing and posting shit? That's more convincing to you? Ok Wave.
There's a notable difference between OOCHILD and Clarity_nl, effort. It takes effort to make an argument, even a bad one. It takes zero effort to do nothing and/or post utter shit.
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On October 29 2013 09:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 09:47 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 09:22 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 09:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Really?
Well I guess all of the smurfslips we've seen in past games are.....what exactly? Are people not looking at who they're signed in as. If you're thinking enough to post "test" then you're thinking enough to look at who you're signed in as. I disagree, but like you said, inconsequential. Convince me that Clarity is scum, marv. I literally could not have said anymore, and I think it's pretty dodgy you're saying this. Stop being bad please, it's giving me scumvibes. Too bad. If you want me to lynch your target then you should be looking to convince me, no? I'm not convinced. Be back in a little while. You, yourself, said "yuck" to Clarity's post, and since then, he just went to play dota and disappeared? Why aren't *you* convinced given what you've posted, or at least convinced enough to vote him over OOCHILD? That's really weak, WoS. So Clarity pushing an obviously bad case makes him scum? I see the point you make regarding he should know he's bad and not push it, but I posit that it's entirely possible that, you know, he wouldn't be pushing a bad case in the first place if he was scum because it looks like shit and would cause these problems for himself. I agreed with your 'yuck' I am not convinced it's bad-scum. And yet you're convinced enough that OOCHILD would make himself blatantly voteable by doing absolutely nothing and posting shit? That's more convincing to you? Ok Wave. There's a notable difference between OOCHILD and Clarity_nl, effort. It takes effort to make an argument, even a bad one. It takes zero effort to do nothing and/or post utter shit. Correct, and scum are liable to put some effort in, whereas usually players who do literally nothing (hello nyxnyxnyx) are the townies. Pretty surprised you're making this argument given how your game went actually. The scummers in your game actually put in effort, bad effort.
I have unshakeable faith in the lurker policy lynch.
I'm probably just biased because the lurkers in that game really made it a hair-pulling experience. Their presence was always looming in the background whenever I tried to make sense of anything, and it frustrated me (especially because it turned out they were all town, ugh). But you're right, there's a logical disconnect between "God lurkers are horrible and should all die" and "lurkers are scum and should be lynched".
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On October 29 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
As long as we're clear, Seuss, that you're policy lynching and not actually aiming for mafia.
Yeah. I honestly don't find OOHCHILD scummy or worth a lynch, but I voted for him and didn't say that aloud because I was hoping he'd feel pressure and post.
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On October 29 2013 23:36 OOHCHILD wrote:
Marvel how do you refute the "super bored at mafia" defense of Clarity?
If Clarity is off the table who do you want to lynch?
I don't know about marvellosity but I rate it slightly above "just hit puberty and discovered girls" in terms of convincing excuses. That and "hasn't read the thread" really hurt your defense of Clarity more than they helped.
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On October 29 2013 23:56 OOHCHILD wrote:
Why are you okay with lynch me Oats?
I think I have been town.
The fact at you basically ignore anyone who so much as looks at you funny really hurts your "I am town" case. You're actually posting now, which is an improvement from yesterday, but you're actively cutting off your communication with other players, which is distinctly anti-town.
I might be slightly off the mark, but people don't want to put up with that nonsense so you're on the chopping block.
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Before I forget:
##Twerk
##Refudiate Oatsmaster
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On October 30 2013 00:01 Koshi wrote:
WHAT ABOUT UPDATING KOSHI
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I'm only using hastags for people who I feel very confident are town. I don't have a strong read on you either way at the moment (Clarity is elitist as a reason for training him? What?), so I'm holding off.
I'm very much with marvellosity on the whole "We have a bunch of people will revealed powers, are they really all town?" question. I've got my fingers crossed that [UoN]Sentinel didn't ride the crazy train into a fully charged one-shot mafia power.
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I'm a little concerned at the moment that strongandbig has managed to fly under the radar due to all the Clarity_nl/OOHCHILD nonsense going on. When he's posted he's made cogent points, but that amounts to all of four or six posts thus far. Based on his posts alone I don't think he's scum, but he's depriving us of an important voice by lurking so hard.
On October 30 2013 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 30 2013 00:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats looks a lot less dickish than the scum games I've played with him
This is so bad because he looks less dickish than he is in his town games aswell and he is less dickish as scum in general. Could you push something please? Thanks. Don't like that you're kinda spectating all this. I am getting to that soon. I gotta eat first. But i want to lynch WoS or Sentinel, don't know which one yet. Dick move analysis say Clarity is town and i do not like OOHCHILD lynch at all. Based mainly on his self-suicidal behavior and the fact that when i said "i could lynch OOH just because" earlier on, suddenly some people voted for him with zero reasoning. Those votes would have been easy for scum to call out people for in case OOH was scum but nobody did do anything about it.
OOHCHILD is reminding me a lot of istandwithmitt from my previous game. He's so controversial and antagonistic you can't believe any sensible scum/third party would make themselves a target like that.
I'm less forgiving of Clarity_nl because July617 pulled a similar move Day 1 in my last game and he turned out to be the serial killer. I didn't think his initial post was as bad as Oatsmaster and others did, but Clarity's response has just been mind-boggling.
##Vote Clarity_nl
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On October 30 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 00:28 Seuss wrote:I'm a little concerned at the moment that strongandbig has managed to fly under the radar due to all the Clarity_nl/OOHCHILD nonsense going on. When he's posted he's made cogent points, but that amounts to all of four or six posts thus far. Based on his posts alone I don't think he's scum, but he's depriving us of an important voice by lurking so hard. On October 30 2013 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 30 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 30 2013 00:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats looks a lot less dickish than the scum games I've played with him
This is so bad because he looks less dickish than he is in his town games aswell and he is less dickish as scum in general. Could you push something please? Thanks. Don't like that you're kinda spectating all this. I am getting to that soon. I gotta eat first. But i want to lynch WoS or Sentinel, don't know which one yet. Dick move analysis say Clarity is town and i do not like OOHCHILD lynch at all. Based mainly on his self-suicidal behavior and the fact that when i said "i could lynch OOH just because" earlier on, suddenly some people voted for him with zero reasoning. Those votes would have been easy for scum to call out people for in case OOH was scum but nobody did do anything about it. OOHCHILD is reminding me a lot of istandwithmitt from my previous game. He's so controversial and antagonistic you can't believe any sensible scum/third party would make themselves a target like that. I'm less forgiving of Clarity_nl because July617 pulled a similar move Day 1 in my last game and he turned out to be the serial killer. I didn't think his initial post was as bad as Oatsmaster and others did, but Clarity's response has just been mind-boggling. ##Vote Clarity_nl We're not lynching Clarity today, so you need to rethink this, I don't want you wasting your vote.
Fair enough. I'll listen to my strongest town read, but I still think I'm seeing meaningful parallels.
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