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On October 16 2013 23:54 Koshi wrote: damn 4 am cest deadline. Isn't it 10pm cest? | ||
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On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote: Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia. Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house. Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? | ||
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On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote: I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote: Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? | ||
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He's saying everyone knows how many scum there are. | ||
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On October 17 2013 07:49 Hopeless1der wrote: (From phone) Re: gracks indifference to the item. I think he is of the opinion that the houses are just a flavor thing and that we have no real way to manipulate the item/contest to benefit town by getting it all for his self. Assuming town>scum in each house the overall effect should be the same, no? Who cares if townie A or townie B gets it? Well. You don't know how many scum are where. What if an entire house is scum? Surely you play to our win con - find and kill scum scum. These items imply that they will be nothing but helpful in doing so. If you know you are town, why would you not want something beneficial to use to help our victory, especially doing something as simple as googling a pick up line. What is the DOWNSIDE to not participating? | ||
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On October 17 2013 08:14 Grackaroni wrote: Ok, you don't like that I'm willing to let others control the power instead of myself. But why focus on it? A scum player should also be interested in trying to make the power based on his decisions. There is little to go on and this is something that struck me as odd. Just like everyone else has been doing. Yes, they would. However, why would you be concerened how other people perceive what you're doing? You know you're town, you take control, you win the game. Who cares what scum are interested in doing? | ||
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On October 17 2013 08:18 Grackaroni wrote: I'm not. I want to know why you think what I have done is more likely to come from a scum player than a town player. Pretty simple question. So many hypotheticals that it's hard to believe you are actually asking me this question: 1) You might be the only one in the house and so most probably can't sway it in your favour, let other houses with more scum win and increase your chance. 2) It's a flavour thing and you don't need items to find out who scum are because you know who is scum and who is town. etc etc. How was that hard to understand? | ||
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On October 17 2013 08:16 Skanjab1s wrote: So your plan for catching scum is "post things that aren't important, because then people will talk about unimportant things and that will give me reads" What do you think of him OMGUSing this. His defenses have been kind of shitty IMO and then when someone says they want to generate discussion he is surprised by it? Any discussion that isn't the normal policy lynch crap is good discussion. Look at what we've got already, people soft defending, people criticising and people discussing. Why is he attacking for this? | ||
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On October 17 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Holy, do you believe grack STATING that he wouldnt submit a line to be null, like koshi suggests? It's null so much as that it could be scum or town. Obviously he could just not say it but what information does he have that it won't get displayed later? It's just an odd thing to say when it's very easy to open a new tab and google 'harry potter pick up lines' and copy paste. Better to at least have it in writing as either alignment than not say it at all and possibly get picked out for it later. Either way. I don't know, I'm kinda getting tired of discussing it for now. I've said all that can be said. Unfortunately toad went to bed so I can't discuss the other stuff he mentioned before about Skan. But since you guys are around; On October 17 2013 08:35 Holyflare wrote: What do you think of him OMGUSing this. His defenses have been kind of shitty IMO and then when someone says they want to generate discussion he is surprised by it? Any discussion that isn't the normal policy lynch crap is good discussion. Look at what we've got already, people soft defending, people criticising and people discussing. Why is he attacking for this? | ||
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He's shitflinging and not really helping us. | ||
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On October 17 2013 08:53 Skanjab1s wrote: You're pointing out that what I said was pointless in a post where I point out what he was said was pointless. Really now. He's telling you the reasoning behind his actions. He's pointing out new information that we could not have unless we were in his house QT that he deemed not very relevant but we MAY. It's the divulgence which is useful. To call his post pointless was dismissing these facts. I am calling out the fact that you seem against deciphering new information. All information is good information. | ||
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On October 17 2013 09:02 Skanjab1s wrote: Please tell me how any read whatsoever could be divulged from the information that he shared? He posted that Sn0_Man was answering in QT. He was not posting in here at the time. That is extra information that we could not gather unless he stated it. Already, we see that he picked on a little point and there have been many pages discussing it. That is more information for reads to be formulated later in the game. The way people defend themselves, the way people defend others. That is all information that you scour through later in the game to formulate a case and win the game. If people post "oh I like this policy", they are just posting opinions, THAT woud be useless information. He has generated discussion about a person that is infinitely more useful. Stifling that is abhorrent. Why question it? | ||
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On October 17 2013 13:36 Pandain wrote: From what has resulted so far there are some very good observations that can be made.
Suspicious weak justification, and if it was in his opinion correct play why would we lynch him. Thanks for telling us what we can see... The people that you mention as being lurkers. What time zone are they in? They could be asleep so not participating just yet seems a little bit hasty. You also mention the things about Grack that we have already brought up and discussed. Why? You call him townish based on another game but then give him pointers..? We've already discussed what he should do. What need is there to reinforce what's already been said? I don't see any pressure from storr either? It looks like sarcasm if that's the post you're referring to. However, he does highlight sn0 who I am inclined to agree with him on. Sn0_man has posted one thing of use. That point highlights scum motives behind Grack's moves. However, many things were also going on at the time and he had no input on them at all since then. He was active in QT but not so much here too. I would like to know why and want to hear a lot more input. | ||
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On October 17 2013 15:35 Pandain wrote: The problem with lurkers is even if they have a good reason to lurk more often then not town players try to overcome their being disadvantaged from lurking while scum players will embrace it and act dumb. I have played for instance with the two players in my house Cephiro and Stutters and they both purposely lurked in Noir. The fact they could be asleep is also offset by the fact that Cephiro recently made a long post that clearly showed thought yet put off contributing in thread. Cephiro would you like to explain that? I have a town read on Grack because he is embracing his role but is still making some good points, but he is making a really weird point about not contributing which is really nonsensical to me. There could be a scum motivation to it, such as if his house is only him and therefore he doesn't want to help contribute, or there is the more likely instance that he simply hasn't thought it through. I want to eliminate the possibilities. Skanjab I have a town read on and I don't have a good read on Toad yet. Was your intent with this post to pressure me or are you serious; you've been looking for flaws where there really aren't any and it's contradicting with what I think you would be doing in looking for actually suspicious people. You don't think StorrZerg, being an esports mafia veteran taking a back seat in his first game of forum mafia is suspicious? You are putting assumptions about what I'm doing without any real logic, and I don't see any town reason. If you say this, is any response really going to help you? You say I left so much out, do you really expect me to put everything? You set higher standards for me then what is expected and I am interested in why. It's a bit of light pressure, wanted to know why you left out arguably the biggest parts of the thread. It was your first post of the game and you come in with certain parts left out, was intrigued. I like asking with loaded questions. As for your Grack town read it's based on meta so I can't really add much as I haven't played on you. However, I implore you not to sit on people because they look like their meta. Still didn't answer about mocsta. He came in with a self-aware miller, what's your take on that? | ||
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On October 17 2013 16:48 Pandain wrote: What's yours?. ... I don't see him lying about being a self aware miller, however, I've heard stories of his claims so that's always in the back of my mind. That being said what he has posted has been somewhat constructive to generating discussion. What he's said is what he thinks is in the best interest for us. He seems to speak his mind and question whatever he thinks isn't right, as shown by his LastArgument call out and quizzing on others. By no means is he towny yet, but he also isn't scummy. | ||
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This is where mocsta asks the question to LA but he still doesn't respond. At all. He still talks about revealing houses and more about items. I agree that it's somewhat odd but what reason would he have to not talk about anything at all? | ||
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I was adding to my previous post. | ||
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On October 17 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote: Because he doesn't have any reads, because he's mafia? It's my impression that LA is a relatively new player and he could very well be using the setup as an excuse to look active when he has a difficult time actually posting as mafia. I know I do that. Ah, didn't see his post count. All I can really decipher in terms of motive from his posts are that he really wants us to reveal which players are in which houses. People have already done that but I don't see any logical reason why we would need to withold or reveal that information, unless there are roles which require it? Definitely doesn't warrant so much talking about. | ||
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In terms of their posts so far. Toad was being aggressive on Skan and koshi jumped all over him after that, seemed a bit overloaded over something so small. Skan made sense for one or two of his points but there was still a lot of pointless nitpicking going on, on koshi's end. He kinda went absent after that so not sure if he was around for the rest of the conversations but Skan is also new so his responses are of course going to be flustered, would have assumed koshi would look at something like that instead of being so biased. | ||
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I am also confused by Toad's vote: On October 18 2013 04:36 I-be-Pro wrote: I like the Cephiro vote. Guy is usually a really quircky ##grab tornado-guy who's funny and all that shit. Not the most collected guy, certainly can't handle being mafia and is overwhelmed by it everytime I saw him play mafia either in IRC or in here. He usually was overwhelmed as town as well, he's posting a bunch more and doesn't make a lot of sense as town as well but I don't see that yet. Not enough ##vote Ceph Cephiro is overwhelmed as both alignments but he's more sure that he is leaning scum over other people in the thread that have actively posted and interacted with other people? At the current rate he's going he will be warned/killed because he doesn't meet activity requirements. It seems like an easy place to park a vote. Also, if a role inhibits you for voting people you actually thought could be scum then why would that be any different for Cephiro?? | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:43 Palmar wrote: Where did I say I've read the thread? And no, I want to have a conversation with him. So is that the only thing you're going to do day 1? Imply you haven't read the rest of the thread and wait for mocsta to come for a conversation? Why not contribute a bit on other people and develop some scum reads, there are more than 1 after all. | ||
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People are defending "slow" players too like it's their god given right to stay in the game. This IMO is utter shit play. You can sit on reads like Palmar to day 3 only to find out he was actually scum all you want, but I will not do it. It does not prove he is town to me and if he continues playing like that during day 1 my vote could most definitely end up on him. Meta works, to an extent, but slow play meta is something I despise. That being said I want to steer this town in the correct direction so some of you people can actually pull your fingers out of your arses and we can win the game. SO; Palmar + Show Spoiler + This guy..... Yeh, great, he's a veteran. He is also in my house QT. Does that excuse him from playing the same game as we are playing? No. On October 17 2013 23:27 Palmar wrote: @Mocsta: Why did you claim the self-aware miller? What's the point? What did you hope to achieve? This is literally the only question he asks in the entire thread so far, it's been a while too. Sure, Mocsta hasn't replied yet, so you'd think he'd be doing something more productive at this point. How can it be possible for us to determine what role he is if he doesn't say a thing in the entire thread other than he's waiting for mocsta. Furthermore, + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 05:43 Palmar wrote: Where did I say I've read the thread? And no, I want to have a conversation with him. Mocsta has posted much more then a self-aware miller claim. Surely it would be nice to hear about that too? Or anyone else? I am most comfortable lynching him today. Call it policy, call it scummy behaviour, call it what you will. This is a game where you contribute so that we can determine who you are. Riding through days does not do this. Stutters695 + Show Spoiler + Did not honestly realise this guy was in the game until I re-checked the thread. What can I say? 4 total posts in the entire game so far and the only one that really counts is: On October 18 2013 03:22 Stutters695 wrote: Last time I played with Palmar was YANMM or LX or some big game where he argued really strongly in favor of policy lynching a claimed SAM in similar circumstances as town. I'd like to see him contribute more, but as of now, I think his frustration is genuine. This defence on Palmer who has literally done nothing in the entire game so far other than question Mocsta on a miller claim is a bit odd to say the least. Why would you specifically mention Palmer over everyone else in the game so far? There are a LOT of pages to go by but he only mentions a bit of meta from another game. It's ok though, he justifies things: On October 18 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote: As far as I remember I've never seen him roll scum/read a game where he is, but I would expect more out of him in line with emulating his usual play. If he was lazy in his last scum game I'm probably off on this, but off of memory he spent most of d1 in that game I'm talking about just crying for a policy lynch on whoever claimed. Basically I don't have faith he'll flip scum based off of this, but I'll follow up on it next time I get to a pc to browse older games. He's never seen a Palmer scum game, he's basing meta off one town game when he has no idea how he'd react as another faction. This seems overly defensive, it looks like he knows his alignment. Either way, he's not talking about other things, he's not active. Comfortable with this lynch too. Sn0_Man + Show Spoiler + Yes, storrzerg makes sense, even if he is looking tunnely in the thread. In the QT at least it's a bit of a different story. This was storr's case The only thing I add to it that was criticised by Ceph is evidence. This is his desert mini mafia filter he was town in this game and at least posted quite a lot. His posts were informative and had elements of scum hunting. Definitely different from this game due to activity, even his first few posts aren't really the same. There are a lot of people in this game, a lot of filters to dive through. I've been reading and re-reading but there is nothing blatantly scummy that I can wholeheartedly see yet. There are one or two suspicions I have that I want to see played out and I will be pressing some people over things later, but for now one of these 3 I will be comfortable lynching. Stutters, I will give the benefit of the doubt to as he said he will be reaching a PC. Sn0 or Palmar are therefore my choices. I want to hear their responses before I confirm my vote direction though. | ||
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On October 18 2013 10:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So HF (or anyone else) what do you make of Cephiro making one post here and 7 posts in our house QT explaining why he has not posted or why he posted what he did or what he is about to post next? -rayn I have no idea about his meta, what he posted made sense though but it has most definitely not vindicated himself from a potential lynch. He is one of the people that I want to hear more from. Applying pressure to people where it's needed and such, otherwise he'll go right back to where he was before. On October 18 2013 10:17 Grackaroni wrote: This is how I view your scum reads Stutters/Palmar/Sn0 Man: Lurker 1, Lurker 2 and Lurker 3 Sn0 Man I have no clue. Stutters I don't like because he has 2 posts, 1 defending Palmar for genuine frustration. (What frustration??) and another saying that he's not scum because his play would look more like his town meta (it normally doesn't) but I don't know if that makes him scum. Palmar I like lynching because he enjoys scumhunting, not being scum and he doesn't care about this game. I would think if this was his first town game in a while he would have more enthusiasm to play. If you have better ideas for a lynch, I'm all ears. Lurkers will be lurkers and you will not discover anything about them because of it, they will forever remain in the darkness until they are lynched or contribute - which by then could be too late. On October 18 2013 10:46 Sn0_Man wrote: Huh Cephiro looked like a good lynch too oh well. Anybody who thinks storrzerg's arguments have merit aren't reading I dont think. Mostly because storrzerg doesn't have arguments. Its literally "I think sno's scum who is with me? *biblethump*" recently spiced up with "well he's now afk certain scum" or something. Wish I had good thoughts on who is actually scum instead of dumb. I could lynch palmar maybe. I'll be around for a bit maybe tonight and the 6 hours preceeding the lynch. Welcome back. While storr is definitely making the most biased tunnely cases I've seen, they made sense because of your lack of activity, so you weren't helping yourself. What are your takes on things? What about the 2 other lynchable players I mentioned (Palmar and stutters?) I know you said you could lynch palmar but what would YOUR reasons be? You also mentioned your townreads being: LA/Toad/ET/SS. What makes the others (you've explained ET now, towny)? | ||
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I have checked almost all of them and then did a ctrl+f search for "sorry", it appears in EVERY game many times. So I do not think it is alignment indicative for Onegu, especially to base a whole case off of. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] + Newbie Mini Mafia XLII Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII Mafia Tracker Lynched Day 3 Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 3 Nuclear Winter Mafia Town Immune One Endgamed Day 5 A Bluelightz Mafia The Attack Mafia Vigilante Survived Day 4 GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 Desert Mini Mafia Mafia Conditional Vigilante Survived Night 5 Persona 4 Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 Town Dog Killed Night 3 However, since that case, Onegu has indeed not posted much and so I'll probably add him to my Palmar/Stutters/Sn0 lynchables for now. What I do actually want to point out though is: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote: Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours. @pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes. Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least. This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe. Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him. Will make deeper analysis when I'm back. ##Vote: Onegu Nice scum/town slip. | ||
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More importantly, has he been active in the QT since his big post? | ||
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Also, why only elaborate on a few other reads? He had a whole list of other ones (including you in there) that he said he would mention at another time. | ||
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On October 18 2013 12:18 Pandain wrote: Holy vote Palmar with me until he starts to contribute. Holy, who are your town reads. You say you will pressure people later, why not pressure them now and lay out the questions so we can see what you're thinking? Anything interesting from your QT? I don't think it would add any pressure, just want to hear what he says first before I place my vote. It's obvious if I mention things out of the blue. Would rather communicate with said person throwing out ideas. Looks much more natural so that person would be less defensive and a better environment to scum hunt. We stalked LA's steam and facebook. | ||
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I agree with your calls though Mocsta, mattchew has been buddy buddying up to people in QT/thread, without giving proper reads, seems to be on the defensive a lot. I haven't checked his meta or whatever to see what he normally does but I'd expect some scum reads at least at this stage in the game. A lot has happened after all. Zaragon/BH, well it's BH's birthday or whatever so it's expected afking but that shouldn't be an excuse either. Your meta points about Zara also are noteworthy, I will investigate for myself. On the flipside BH posts normally contain content and I have reads on him so I would prefer to say, keep him in over other lurkers. i.e. Onegu, Palmar (depends on reactions), Stutters, Sn0 (potentially), Tunkeg??????? Onegu's apologetic posts were already said to be alignment neutral, he says sorry in all factions. However, his posting has been inexcusable since then. Matt has expressed that Onegu's posts (despite lacking) contain what he thinks to be town orientated meta for Onegu. I find it hard to determine based on the meta I've read and what he's posted though, need some actual content. Lynchworthy if posting doesn't seriously pick up. Anyway, Mocsta. There are a myriad of choices for lynching into lurkers that I'd be comfortable with. What I want to know though is your take on the Cephiro situation. He has posted one post in this entire thread - that yes - had content, however, rayn has been mentioning that he's been posting in the QT a lot more and also gave some compelling reasons for a scum Cephiro. His post here: Click me!. | ||
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On October 18 2013 14:28 VayneAuthority wrote: as input from another gryffindor I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching cephiro yet. He needs to explain his scum reads and a few other things before his alignment can be discerned. What do you think about rayn's post on him then? Why so much hidden activity? | ||
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The posts before and after this are the reasons I will be voting Cephiro. For the points I brought up, they still stand. Why would he post so much in a QT that may be heavily influenced with scum when he has an entire thread he could be bouncing these ideas off? His original post pretty much listed half the thread as extra scum reads that were not further elaborated on in the thread despite saying that he would. His second post of the game: + Show Spoiler + On October 19 2013 03:33 Cephiro wrote: 1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever. At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs. I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming". Irregardless of any meta that people have brought up (Toad) or not, we have NO idea what value you are adding if you are only posting 1 post, how can you blame us? This aggression coupled with previously mentioned posts make me ##Vote Cephiro | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:48 Cephiro wrote: 1. This guy has no idea what and how much I have posted in the QT. I have posted very little in the QT, which of most were the rage posts directed mainly at rayn. But for some reason, this is still a valid scumtell. Because guis, I posted so freaking much in the QT. SO MUCH. I POSTED THERE EVERY TIME YOU BLINKED AN EYE. And hey, guess what. THE QT MIGHT BE HEAVILY INFLUENCED WITH SCUM???? No FUCKING SHIT. Guess what, this thread has a whopping 6 SCUM PLAYERS IN IT. WE ARE ALL BEING INFLUENCED BY SCUM?!?!? 4 small cases + 4 small suspicions = "Half the thread" 8/24 = 25% at most. Yeah. Fuck this. Very little in QT, very little in thread, why should we assume you are town then!? Your whole logic is flawed, you get 'angry' at the fact people are calling you scum even though their motives are correct. Even if you posted 4 times in the QT that's 100% more than you had posted here at that time. 8/24 is 33%, you pointed out 4 people, 4 other suspicions BUT HAVE NOT ELABORATED ON THEM OR PUSHED YOUR SUSPICIONS. Why is that townlike to you? | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:58 Sn0_Man wrote: To be fair to ceph, nobody has great reasons for him being scum other than poorly substantiated meta and some confirmation bias along the lines of "well if he is scum I think he'd play like this". I mean, sure his scumhunting isn't there but WHOSE IS? I mean, I'd be somewhat pissed to discover that many votes on me when the key argument is "lurking" and there are players like Stutters and JAT and BH and more contributing equally little. On the other hand, meta may still be a reason and I'm not sure who else we lynch (not palmar people). This is NOTHING to do with meta. He posted 1 post at the time, cast suspicion on people that already had suspicion on themselves, he posted a few other names that were not mentioned by anyone else but then never followed up on them. Half of his post was explaining himself Rayn made an excellent point: Here about it. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:07 syllogism wrote: This doesn't look like resistance at all, mafia doesnt do that 1 hour before the lynch when there is essentially only one wagon Yet your vote is still on him. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:11 justanothertownie wrote: Do you think scum would try to save him now? Good scum probably would. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:48 LoneMeow wrote: I feel Cephiro is unsafe lynch, despite the lack of (earlier) content. I don't understand why he'd play this way, but to me it seems his current frustration is genuine. I'd far rather lynch Palmar, his filter has a distinct lack of scum hunting in it. ##Vote: Palmar What about the other people with similar circumstances, stutters, sn0, onegu, BH etc etc. Why specifically palmar? Is it because he has votes on him already and was an easy place to put your vote that wasn't on a wagon? People have expressed this attitude is also town Palmar. If Cephiro's frustration is a town read to you then you should be aggressively pushing a lynch onto someone else because we are about to lynch a towny? His posts as just linked by Mocsta illustrate that they are the exact same as a scum game of his, what does that imply to you? The same questions go to: Palmar (4) : Pandain, Grackeroni, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow all of these people too. | ||
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"Then there is this. As far as I know you can read people more easily when they get emotional invested so why would you tell him to step back if you are interested in learning about his alignment?" Those are your words and you haven't voted. Ceph has been emotionally invested in his past few posts. What is your take on him? What do you even mean try again?? | ||
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Here: On October 19 2013 02:04 Mattchew wrote: yeah imma put a placeholder on ceph and read into him and the game more here: On October 19 2013 02:14 Mattchew wrote: this ceph lynch seems to be happening pretty easily and here: On October 19 2013 03:35 Mattchew wrote: can you just claim? i could get down on a switch He also voted for sn0 and yet again soft defended him too, while asking other people if they thought it would be alright: On October 18 2013 21:44 Mattchew wrote: Yeah w.e i should have listened to everyone early last game too ##unvote ##vote sn0_man On October 19 2013 00:45 Mattchew wrote: Palmar i think sn0 looks better with his posts recently, am i stupid I've never played with him but he hasn't really contributed anything that I think is good. His soft defences and wanting advice from another player (who could well be scum) is also scummy to me. He has also been buddying up with other people during the game. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:49 Sn0_Man wrote: I have mattchew as leaning town as well. His voting is too stupid to be scum basically lol. Worst reason I've ever heard. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:51 Sn0_Man wrote: Not really. His motivations for votes are discernably not scummy. If he was scum he wouldn't be begging ceph to full claim for example  That's baseless. If he was scum he'd know Ceph's alignment. Begging to make him reveal his role not only reveals a potential role that scum could get rid off but gives Matt credit for trying to save a towny. | ||
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On October 19 2013 19:08 LastArgument wrote: Holyflare, you are significantly less active than the towngames of yours that I have looked at, what gives? How is that even true? | ||
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On October 19 2013 19:31 LastArgument wrote: You had a 6 page filter by the end of Day 1 in a 9 player mini, here you have a 3 page filter midway through Night 1 in a 24 player Themed game. How is it not true? Which mini are we talking about? The 3 that are in my profile are all 3 pages long day 1's, if it's world heavyweight it's because I was forced to defend myself the entire day. While this does have more players in it that doesn't constitute more activity, I'm still around the same amount of time as I would be in a mini. | ||
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On October 20 2013 05:25 Skanjab1s wrote: Are they modconf town partners, or did he not specify? He said in the thread don't kill stutters trust me, it's kind of obvious | ||
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On October 20 2013 08:25 raynpelikonoshi wrote: How many vigies do we have rofl. I need to see that spreadsheet endgame. So scum has 2 kp and lets say a scum vigi and then there was a town vigi and an sk? With the lover twins it would make 6. Crazy shizzle. Supersoft was yelling that both cephiro and snowman are scum. WIFOM kill or respect kill? Also 4 pages of filter and possible active inside the house? The other 2 townies I need to reread still. LA made a good post. A long one with a lot of reads that were really different than my reads D: but he was onto LM so thats impressive. I forgot the rest. AND THEN 3 scumkills :D so awesome. I need to know how that happened. Who had the balls to shoot Pandain. Damn sexy. LM same but less sexy but still sexy. And then scummers probably killed off ET. Thank you! Rofl. So yeah. Today I can take a day off and sheep BH and syllo. Yay for town! Not sure if serious. ET was scum? IMO ET got vig shot because he was coming under suspicion from a lot of people at night. As he was partnered with toad they both died. The 2 kp were obviously SS and LA and then Pandain is either SK or random vigi shot which would make no sense so I'm leaning more towards an SK. LM is also vig shot because of more suspicion. | ||
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On October 20 2013 08:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Well we should ask Pandain why he always kill........WAIT A SECOND. PANDAIN WAS SCUM AND BH IS ALIVE. BH is going to be scum ]: This. Look at BH's filter, 3 pages and it's all useless spam shit. What is more curious is how mocsta could have an entire read on Zaragon/BH and he can see BH doing this trolly shit but he doesn't even mention that shit in his last case post on mattchew???? | ||
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Here is Mocsta's original case: Click me! and this: On October 19 2013 00:05 Mocsta wrote: Because zaragon was my best scum read. Bh doesn't affect that. I will give cephiro some co sideratiin when I get home. I don't feel confident with him in general after noir regardless. So fat one gu looks better too so I'm not interested in him currently. There's 1 kp, scum just got hit hard, I don't think they'd be in the position to bus right now, so why has mocsta dropped this entire read for mattchew instead? Especially as the evidence he's given isn't very damning for mattchew. I had a case on mattchew before the lynch too that was much more substantial but I've been discussing this with him in our QT, his reactions to me were very puzzled at how nobody could understand why he was doing the things he was doing (not something I'd expect from a scum) but I'm still a little wary. Mocsta also switched his vote during the Cephiro/Palmar situation to BH. He switched after I said day 2 was better to get a read off him but then switched to Palmar who arguably was the same. Why? Palmar was going after Mocsta and only him. It's obviously an easy wagon to join. | ||
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On October 20 2013 08:57 Mocsta wrote: You are tunneled and making fallacious arguments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent I can not help it if you do not like my reasoning. It is what it is. But where you can help yourself: is by not jumping to one conclusion to provide answers to satiate your theory. It is most definitely not tunneling and I of course know what that is. I can say the same thing about all of your last posts confirming/disproving towns/scum. A lot of those were confirmation biased opinions. This is just stating facts. Either way, I am comfortable lynching BH in light of this and it gives us more time to discuss other scenarios/scum. ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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On October 20 2013 09:11 Mocsta wrote: Ohh i agree completely my mattchew post was a leap of faith. I did not call it a case either. If you read any of my games, this is how I play. I'm a high risk gambler. Can't help it. I think it contributes to why people find me hard to read, I dunno. Yet you called my post fallacious without actually stating why. So what is the wrong reasoning here? | ||
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On October 20 2013 12:32 Hopeless1der wrote: ...so much for loyalty ##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare By process of elimination Huh? | ||
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On October 20 2013 12:37 Hopeless1der wrote: did you miss the part where grack told the thread one of us is scum? PoE is a scumhunting tactic. I know what process of elimination is -.- I'm asking your reasoning. If the only thing that's making you lean town for others is that they pointed out something that made someone else look town that's dumb. | ||
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On October 20 2013 12:40 Hopeless1der wrote: pandain's filter gives me a much stronger indication that storr and matt are town. That leaves you and grack, and I think grack is more likely town. At least that makes some sense. Mocsta already mentioned pandain including mafia in his call outs, what do you make of that? | ||
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On October 20 2013 12:57 VayneAuthority wrote: I see no reason to confirm townreads on 3 lynchable people as scum. do you? He is now binded to us 3 essentially, a strong strategy to do as town as it cements you in a good and unbending spot, while as scum you would never want to do this. I used this tactic late in thug life with austinmcc and mr.cheesecake and neither of them wished to do it, cheesecake being the last mafia and austin just being a stubborn town (as usual, chalk that more up to personality) That's great until you realise the only read he has is matt. Storr was the one that pointed this out. | ||
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On October 20 2013 13:35 VayneAuthority wrote: the point still stands. so your rebuttal to my long post is annoyingly pointless when it doesnt refute or move the conversation anywhere. I've been told not to write anything in the thread by them so yes. | ||
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On October 20 2013 13:36 Grackaroni wrote: Pretty much everyone in Hufflepuff gave townreads on the majority of people in our house prior to this within our QT. BAM. Point refuted. The difference being everyone had really really bad points of why they were town reads. | ||
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On October 20 2013 14:27 StorrZerg wrote: Feels very unlikely 2 mafia would be paired up with town though 2 mafia and 1 town? Only LA and stutters had mason | ||
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On October 20 2013 06:57 Blazinghand wrote: man so i now i havet o liek read and stuff damn On October 20 2013 07:09 Blazinghand wrote: FINE FINE ILL READ THET HREAD | ||
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On October 20 2013 16:29 syllogism wrote: Holyflare still seems mafia to me for this post, for these reasons The whole last paragraph of his post is essentially suspicious fluff I completely missed this post the first time around, however, to say it is pointless fluff is ridiculous. Quite clearly in the thread people were not coming to any conclusions on who to lynch hence flailing like fish (how can that phrase even be alignment indicative?), this post was an attempt to consolidate people who were around. The 3 people I chose may have been lurkers but they were people with actual posts/content that looked suspicious. I didn't mention others because they either had no posts or (you mentioned yourself as a slow player) had actually posted stuff that wasn't mocsta tunnel. If you even check who my vote is on now, it's on BH. I've made a case against him because he is yet again, trolling the shit out of people and 'slow playing the game', exactly what I said I hated. The fact that you only read my filter but not around the suspicious posts is ridiculous. This is especially pertinent when it comes to: + Show Spoiler + On October 20 2013 16:48 syllogism wrote: On day 1 Holyflare was mostly focused on lynching a lurker, but he ignored LonelyMeow/Tunkeg, despite definitely being aware of him being in the game. In fact, this interaction he had with him is suspicious He doesn't specify whether the post is suspicious or not, just that he doesn't "like things like this". Yet he supposedly wants to ask the same question from Pandain/Grackeroni/Vayne His suspicious interactions with mafia aren't limited to just Lonelymeow: He looks up Onegu's meta, concludes that ET's case is based on false premises, but then decides that he is worth lynching anyway due to the lack of activity. The spoiler tagged comment at the end of his post is completely nonsensical. Why would you point out that something is either a mafia or town slip? As I said above lonemeow had 0 posts when I made that case, would you like me to target every lurker in the game? No, that would be ridiculous that is hardly consolidating the thread and the flailing like fish argument would still stand. I also didn't mention you, JAT, lonemeow, onegu, vayne or other people that had disappeared from the thread. The palmar vote was suspicious as fuck and I had made a lonemeow case at the end of night 1 because of it. His meta wasn't in line with his noir game (he was one of the people I was going to push later, which i've quite clearly mentioned before PROOF ) his vote went to palmar who was not there at the time when only 3 people were on palmar. I wanted to know why these people were on palmar when a lot of people were saying he was displaying town palmar attributes. This is why I did not put my vote on an 'easy' target and instead DID ACTUAL SCUM HUNTING. I made a case on mattchew, some people swapped for a few seconds and then went straight back to palmar. Why would I bother doing these things if my motive was just to get an easy lynch? I was quite clearly questioning peoples motives and trying to get to the bottom of things. As for + Show Spoiler + On October 20 2013 16:55 syllogism wrote: First of all, it's now hard to believe that we ignored this guy. Secondly, this Holyflare mention is completely out of place and nonsensical and suspicious. He is "interesting" , but "will eventually slip up"? What? Pandain seems to have been fond of throwing out a few townie suspicions and one mafia for good measure. This seems to be a high point of my interactions with ET for you. + Show Spoiler + On October 20 2013 22:13 syllogism wrote: If he is mafia, his motive was to "interact" with ET and provide some easy content that anyone can do regardless of alignment. He probably didn't even realize that it made ET look bad; he definitely did not trash the case. Anyway, neither townies or mafia play perfectly and consider everything. 1) Mattchew in our house QT stated that although Onegu had posted nothing he was playing to his town meta. 2) I got interested in this meta and consulted the TL Database 3) I found that ET's conclusion was wrong and mattchew was in fact right on his point about meta. 5) I posted to clear this suspicion. 6) It doesn't entirely vindicate him because he hasn't posted anything. That doesn't make me scummy it makes HIM scummy, I'm going out of my way to research peoples reads on other people to confirm motives and cases. 7) This is what annoys me about this. You think I didn't chase it up because ET was scum? No. If you read around the case and my post it quite clearly shows that me and mocsta were agreeing. There is nothing more you can do if a person does not want to post, how can I pressure someone who isn't around? You also mention vayne's point about hopeless posting towny things. We were specifically told not to post in the thread from the QT so I stuck to that reasoning. I almost made a rage post at vayne and actually copied it to a notepad so I could see sense before I posted it so here it is + Show Spoiler + Here's the thing. It's easy to say "trololol I went through pandain's filter so these must be town" and I'm confused as to why you wouldn't check this before suggesting that his moves are town orientated because someone else did the same in another game. Pandain's filter also contains (conveniently left out): On October 17 2013 15:43 Pandain wrote: Grack is not certain town but probably town. He posted a lot early on and made jokes. I haven't seen scum do that early on though I acknowledge it could happen. Usually town are the very first ones to post, and him making jokes amplifies my town reads. He also made very weak arguments in Thug Life which is why I thought he was scum, but it ended up being wrong. This is fine for an explanation, what about you? On October 17 2013 05:16 Pandain wrote: Grack is town pretty obvious so far Here he has mentioned Grack as not certain town but probably town and also pretty obvious town. Does this confirm him? No. On October 18 2013 05:09 Pandain wrote: The people who contributed greatly earlier on in the thread were: Hopeless Last Argument Skanjabs Yamato I have town reads on all of these people and others, upon analyzing them, should confirm/deny this from their own perspective. I also would like it if someone took the time to summarize their House QT for the thread. There are 4 more people you can also cross off your scum list because he said they were town right? -.- The fact that someone who is scum has mentioned people as probably town reads is by no means an indicator of their actual alignment. If that were the case people would just spout of their entire team as town reads every game but that doesn't happen does it. There is nothing stopping hopeless being mafia, he knows people are town he finds any link he can to prove it to them that he is town, that is basic mafia play 101 and if you don't think so then I was wrong about you looking at things logically. Not to mention the things he has pointed out are incredibly WIFOM. You say that the motivation behind hopeless is townlike because he is confirming 3 other people and is now linked to them. That link means nothing if you are no longer seeing him as a lynch candidate. He clearly didn't mention grack who was the most pertinent read in pandain's entire filter? Why is that? Hopeless has had no activity in the qt the entire day 1 and has only just started posting - moreso - now that storr has outed 1 mafia. It's already been mentioned how our reads and ideas were put into the QT beforehand so I'm not going to mention it again. In regards to this entire debate, storr checks a house at night and finds out if any of the people come back red. He mentioned that this could theoretically show an SK too. There have been a few theories thrown around but one that I think is most plausable is the framer situation. Mattchew was a 3rd possible wagon at the time of the palmar lynch. He wasn't likely to be night killed that night and so if there was a framer around he would be the perfect candidate to be framed. This would consequently show hufflepuff as having 1 mafia to a house cop check. | ||
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On October 21 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont understand the rage post involving grack considering I made it perfectly clear that I would lynch grack over you holyflare but you are the 2 most suspect to me. I'm saying that the hopeless case is baseless because the most obvious person in pandain's filter is grack. That only leaves me out. I do not care if that is incriminating, that is why it was a rage post and was deleted. It was written in the heat of the moment so don't expect it to be coherent. | ||
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On October 21 2013 02:47 syllogism wrote: I find that hard to believe since squib is the vt role. No, squib is someone with no magical powers, hence why my 'power' is not a power, it is a vote. | ||
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On October 21 2013 02:50 justanothertownie wrote: Squib is the vt role. So why do you think of a scumslip when you see ET posting this HF? This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe. Makes no sense to me. I never said it was a scum slip at all? | ||
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On October 21 2013 02:52 StorrZerg wrote: What about someone who kills anyone that visits them at night 2 mafia with .5 kp use it on 1 person, and both end up dieing This is the only other alternative if there is no SK. | ||
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On October 21 2013 02:56 Skanjab1s wrote: If there isn't a framer it is either Hopeless for not contributing the entire first day in our QT and then activity spiking when storr made a cop claim, mattchew for reasons stated earlier although I'm leaning less on him due to responses he's said in the QT or grack because nobody really has a read on him other than his "carefree attitude". | ||
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On October 21 2013 03:24 syllogism wrote: Hopeless did you do something on n1? He did something on toad. | ||
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On October 21 2013 03:23 Onegu wrote: You really cant narrow it down further than that?! It storr is cop and you arent you just named everyone else in your house.... On October 21 2013 03:00 Holyflare wrote: In that order by the way. | ||
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On October 21 2013 03:28 Onegu wrote: In that order with how much space in between? Is it close between all three or what? Until I read filters I won't know. | ||
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On October 21 2013 03:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I don't understand why Palmar was still counted. He was dead. People don't die they just get "stunned" so technically he's only in hopsital and therefore still part of the house? I think at least. | ||
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On October 21 2013 03:39 syllogism wrote: Holyfire I don't understand why you thought squib was a town slip if you have a power and you didn't think that it was the VT role. because I asked about it in QT | ||
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On October 21 2013 03:50 Onegu wrote: @HF Why did you switch to Mattchew over Ceph. Your reasoning was Mattchew defended Ceph, if you had a scum read on them both why switch your vote? Quite clearly ceph's notes were more reason to note vote him so I checked over people's filters to see what was going on and thus my case on mattchew, he was soft defending ceph before he even posted more than his first post, he was asking people who hadn't even flipped (palmar) about changing votes to someone else etc etc. I wrote about it. | ||
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On October 21 2013 04:07 syllogism wrote: Frankly this vt/squib/green role with an active ##power (presumably) is quite difficult to swallow. I don't think I've ever seen that in a game. I don't make the game. | ||
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On October 21 2013 04:15 Skanjab1s wrote: but grak wut abwt da hufelpuf scum. y do u nt care 4 huflepufe grak? y u do dis grak Hufflepuff has 1 scum in it and that won't change. We do not know who it is, we know who it could be. We presumably/definitely have cops that can eliminate/confirm suspicions so wouldn't it be best to systematically determine who the scum is in hufflepuff that way? I do not mind who you check and in what order but at least this way we can find other scum at the same time. | ||
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On October 21 2013 04:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Is there any particular reason why people have forgotten about Cephiro? -rayn because this whole hufflepuff thing was thrown out | ||
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On October 21 2013 04:23 Onegu wrote: This is all you ever said on it. Just trying to get a grasp on your thought process for the Mattchew vote switch. You thought because Mattchew knew ceph was town and was trying to get town cred for for the lynch? Were you convinced ceph was town at that point since you just said a ceph lynch wasnt happening at that point? Not necessarily and No. Mattchew was hinting at ceph being a bad vote throughout the day, this seemed suspicious to me, coupled with the fact that he wanted to initiate a vote switch before any evidence that ceph was doing something was also suspicious so I checked into him. He was doing the same thing for other players at that time too and so I made a case on him as I thought it looked like a case of "I know too much". The fact he wanted to get a lynch off of cephiro does not make cephiro's alignment anymore clear, he could be scum trying to get the heat off another scum or scum knowing cephiro is town. Since this case, I have leaned more town on him due to responses in the QT though. | ||
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On October 21 2013 08:16 StorrZerg wrote: i think holy needs to use his power now then Why would I waste my vote now? I could have quite clearly said I was a shit VT and be done with this whole situation beforehand but I didnt. I want to win this game and my vote could do that at the end. | ||
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On October 21 2013 08:44 Mocsta wrote: no I won't rayn I know what ceph meant. 6 of us know. but we are not allowed to talk about it. I don't know what the consequences are though. sorry. Does it prove ceph's alignment? | ||
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On October 21 2013 08:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Ok cool. I think Mattchew and Storrzerg are both scum. And with that I go to bed. gn. I do not think storr is scum. He has been asking way too many questions and throwing out ideas of what we shold do than anyone else. I do not think his house cop claim was a lie eithr. | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:00 StorrZerg wrote: Sn0_Man what do you mean 3p? Someone who isn't town or mafia, ie. SK etc. | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:13 Cephiro wrote: Matt actually provided me with what I wanted. (Reads on the other three persons in his house). I found it extremely useful. He also thinks optimal play is to lynch in hufflepuff right now. He says if that's what people think, he's up for being lynched as well. (This was mentioned in a small manner enough to make me believe it was a genuine opinion of optimal play rather than martyring.) I'm baffled how so many people are even considering lynching somewhere else than hufflepuff. But yes, that and assuming Storr's claim is true, and the beforementioned reasons on Grack leaves me only you and holy. Holy with worse play in general, but you're not being useful right now when it's needed the most. If he wasn't even considered in a lynch of course he's going to say whatever you want to hear. His play has been ridiculous and i had no idea how people had town reads on him until he actually explained himself for his posts which was really shit explanation like i said before but made him look more towny. Apart from that his play was really bad. Storr is definitely town and i believe his claim, he ws quizzing people about his reads in the qt and he was pushing people. I raged at hm because he was asking everyone for town reads non stop and not actually hunting for the people that could be scum. This is the same as mattchew. Storr at least did dive after this, mattchew only echoed his points. Grack... Has done like.. Not much either and hopeless skewed pandains filter to ignore grack. I would be happy lynching any of those 3 or bh, yamato, stutters ANYONE that fucking sits back and doesn't contribute so we can actually find scum. Why do you say my play has been bad? | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:34 Blazinghand wrote: I'm Blaise Zabini, the non-conseq doctor. I can protect people from one kp. I saved sn0 last night What is your reasoning for sn0 save? | ||
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On October 22 2013 10:15 Mocsta wrote: Will be funny if the one scum in hp is actually storr. Though I will say holyflare was underwhelming the second half of day2. I wasn't even here.............................. | ||
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On October 22 2013 10:45 Mocsta wrote: Did u not post u were in a lecture and was phone posting. That stuff was all underwhelming regardless of circumstance I can't fucking read up on shit in a lecture and post stuff, I saw people do dumbass things and wanted to rant that what they were doing was stupid. No shit it was underwhelming but it saved me for another day that I can actually do useful things in. | ||
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On October 22 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote: Ur tone now is similar to et when I chastised him Talk about over reaction Not looking good for you holyflare a) you're using my "underwhelming" performance to paint me in a negative light b) it annoys me because it should be obvious why and you are still pointing it out c) tomorrow will be 100% better than today I guarentee you I will solve this game in 1 case, mark my words. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:05 raynpelikonoshi wrote: What's my power? -rayn I don't know? | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I thought these people were Gryffindors... rayn ceph vayne -rayn sorry i mean hufflepuff, wishful thinking I was in a useful house | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So noone can be lying? Everything is confirmed? That's why the extra vote must be in those 6 people right? -rayn No, but I'm in the game trying to work things out from the top of my head. Obviously people can be lying. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:17 Holyflare wrote: Obviously when deadlines are over/next day. -.- | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote: What's the point of your argument? It's like me saying "these three people are scum and we must lynch them" knowing that i can't prove that and that my reasoning is flimsy in the first place.. -rayn On October 22 2013 14:17 Holyflare wrote: I'm pretty much telling those 6 people to claim their powers to be honest. If people all role claim and nobody has a secret vote then that gives us less confirmed people than previously thought. It's better than "oh no let's speculate" | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:28 Mocsta wrote: This has become super spammy. & Holyflare has really fallen to pieces since Day2 started. I guess pandain was right. Really, what is wrong with my power speculation? I'm trying to find the person who threw out a secret vote to quite clearly get stutters lynched. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:32 Mocsta wrote: Based on what evidence. You listed BH as a medic. There is no way to have knowledge of that currently; and to make a judgement call on 6 people because of that ASSUMPTION is ridiculous. I'm trying to piece together what is going on. These are the people that have listed their powers. If BH is scum and flips it then great, that will all change. For now he is medic and my speculation continues. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:36 Mocsta wrote: So Holyflare; I will admit I have not filter dived you yet, and the thread is so spammy over the past 5 pages I am not sure if this has been stated. Your Day2 vote ended up on BH. Why? - you were present & If you had such a scum read on him; why is the medic claim taken at face value. I was not present. I posted from my phone and then stole a guys ipad when it ran out of battery. My scum read on him was quite clearly in my filter, that has seemingly changed because his activity has risen and this is quite obvious as none of you voted him for those reasons anymore. You were voting him WITH me at that time, in fact he was your HIGHEST SCUM READ day 1 and the start of day 2, has that changed? You are saying i've fallen off day 2 but you just say you didn't filter dive me at all..... wtf are you smoking? My case was on him was quite clearly an "I hate people that do no shit all game" "lynch this guy off" stated it multiple times over and over. What I want to know as I've seemingly missed it is: Why would the vote be between a guy that was mason confirmed and a guy that got replaced? Who started this? There were at least 3-4 people pushing for hufflepuff ONLY kills as a mafia was confirmed to be in there. How did this change? Why did cephiro let this shit happen or mattchew, they were quite clearly advocates of the hufflepuff lynches. All I know is that | ||
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Will do; Also in regards to my play 'becoming worse', please read heavyweight championship, same thing. | ||
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On October 22 2013 15:00 Mocsta wrote: I hope so, because by 1/2 Day1; you and LastArgument were my two best town reads. I will be severely disappointed if you con me that hard. Told you i'd step it up again soon. | ||
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On October 22 2013 03:56 Blazinghand wrote: Reading through stutters' filter, it seems he's posting just enough not to get modkilled. I'm comfortable lynching him. Since we have a lot of space after the N1 actions, it's reasonable to use a lynch or two to clear out chaff. ##unvote ##vote sutters695 hopeless situation will resolve itself though, right? This guy...? Why even switch from 1 lurker to another? Especially as that 1 lurker was masoned with marv? | ||
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On October 22 2013 15:26 Grackaroni wrote: Shall we begin the random speculations? Cleeeeeeeaarly Vayne was angry with the state of his mafia team! Harry potter died, he's heartbroken. Ask's God why, no response. Think God wouldn't be this unfair, reasons that there can't be a God that would do this to a human being let alone harry fucking potter. Resents the entire thought of a God. Beats up people that think God exists. Get's temp banned. | ||
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On October 22 2013 04:16 Mattchew wrote: i will not vote my town read stutters, i will not vote CR, i will not vote cephiro. I will only lynch within hufflepuff This guy is very adament. There are 2 more scum if he thinks 1 is in hufflepuff, why is he so against lynching outside of hufflepuff? also: On October 22 2013 04:44 Mattchew wrote: hey syllo, cr is probs town and you should be leading the switch... where you at broski This is typical give your vote to a towny because you don't want to be responsible syndrome that people totally jumped all over stutters for but then..... On October 22 2013 04:47 Mattchew wrote: when CR flips town i will be confirmed mmkay? and stutters will no longer be a town read for me... far from it How does that even make sense: I'm not going to vote this guy but when he flips town I MUST BE SAFE. On October 22 2013 04:50 Mattchew wrote: i dont care enough about ray dying to amass a vote switch onto stutters .................................. what the actual fuck? He doesn't want to vote them because town reads but he doesn't care, seems quite comfortable wasting 96 more hours of his time on lynching into nothingness? His whole filter of this event is that he wants to win the game but then doesn't give a shit if his 2 town reads are getting lynched off. He finds it weird that people are voting ray when he appears townlike when posting but doesn't even place his vote to save ray, he just doesn't care? I find this wanting to win the game and avoiding a decision a bit of a contradiction. It was 6-6, a no lynch, where was his vote?? On October 22 2013 04:58 You-Know-Who wrote: VOTE COUNT DAY 2: Blazinghand (1) : Mattchew (0) : Cephiro (2) : Mocsta, Mocsta (0) : Grackaroni (1) : VayneAuthority Holyflare (0) : Hopeless1der (1) : Chairman Ray (6) : syllogism, Onegu, Stutters695 (7) : Not voting (0) : Stutters has been lynched. On someone totally irrelevant. He calls them town reads and his vote acts like they're town reads but they are seemingly "meh" town reads because he doesn't care if they get lynched, he is wasting time between days. If it was a no-lynch then that's 1 less person we could get a potential read off of. His townread on stutters was also a pathetic reason. | ||
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On October 22 2013 15:50 Blazinghand wrote: i dion't understand what's your problem with my reasoning nothing anymore? My problem is that both of them were worthy lynch candidates but for some reason it was so contested. My problem is with mattchew. | ||
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Ceph/CR up for lynch. You say either CR or stutters is good but would prefer stutters cz he isn't posting after 2 days, that's fine, it was odd that you pulled votes off ray for this because he also didn't post at the time but now that I look at it, it's really insignificant. Then people start agreeing with you and switching to stutters. That's cool. So why, when mattchew posts that ray can't play for more than 1 hour a day do people not switch back to him, or at least make a vote less contested? Why was it SO contested? A no lynch would have been shit with no information. Mattchew wanted ray modkilled but wouldn't vote him off, he then said he didn't care who get lynched anymore, his vote was still in a useless place despite the contested votes. + what I wrote in my last posts. I'm also confused why you picked stutters who was a mason with a town over someone else that was a lurker. Vayne has 3 pages of filter in almost 3 days, so does Onegu, Stutters pretty much has 3 too. So why out of all of those unconfirmed roles do you pick the one guy that has a confirmed blue alignment? | ||
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On October 23 2013 00:02 Mocsta wrote: yeah looked at lastargument filter + supersoft supersoft was most likely a respect kill lastargument was on lonemeow, mattchew + holyflare aside from storr thinking mattchew is town, there does not seem to be too much going for him? What..? Marv said he was leaning town on mattchew, he liked my content and he hated skanjabs reply after night/lonemeow and et. You even reading? | ||
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On October 23 2013 03:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote: But still nobody in Hufflepuff can tell us why they have townreads on each other. Except for "because" and "active". And now it seems Grack (and I guess that means HufflePuff, unless the 600 posts in the QT are about birds and bees) has scumreads on everybody outside his house except for JAT, BH and Snowman. Impressive House. Impressive. don't know how many times i've said mattchew | ||
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On October 23 2013 03:18 Sn0_Man wrote: I get to spill my role in 45 mins who's excited? I really really really wanted to share my role when I first figured out what had happened since I knew more than literally every other person in the thread. Oh well. Also glad vayne's flipping since I'm giving him decent odds at scum and the more AFK's we get rid of the better. you are a watcher and you were on syllo night 1, gg ez | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:01 Sn0_Man wrote: PS Holyflare scum he knew I targetted syllo "let's not heal the guy with confirmed town status" | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:16 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Explain a bit better please. I don't get it. I said he was a watcher and targeted syllo before grace period. | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:20 Sn0_Man wrote: Why couldn't I kill everybody who visits LastArgument? Then have a medic (BH) on Syllo? Only mafia know who BOTH .5KP members visited. because I checked roles on mafiascum and there wasn't one that did that without dying themselves, hence why I assumed watcher -.- | ||
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If sn0 says "I know what happened" at the start of day 2 after all this shit then I presume he knows how the 2 0.5's died. Therefore, they targeted syllo. How is that hard to understand? Do people's brains not work under the assumption of logic? | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Dude if you think he is a watcher that kills visitors, then how did syllo survive? Another medic? You just said you don't believe in 2 medics. I didn't think HE was medic, that doesn't mean there wasn't one? Now that he is revealed a medic it just makes BH claim look bad to me. | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:40 syllogism wrote: No, I don't know what he is. Somehow hufflepuff isn't making sense to me right now. Framer | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:41 Sn0_Man wrote: A reasonable possibility. His role PM knowledge is good but that could be fakeclaim iunno. He initiated a switch off ray/ceph to stutters. | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:48 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Hmm. Unless Holyflare can do 1 secret and 1 visible vote. A lot of roles have multiple skills to use. I wasn't here at all during that vote. | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: CR claimed VT. now he's going to die for it | ||
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On October 23 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Like grack and holyflare are BOTH causing me to lose faith in humanity AT THE SAME TIME. Please inform me how, my logic made sense for the watcher thing you just jump to conclusions, I also didn't know the thread knew storr got 0.5hp because they said they'd keep it a secret | ||
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On October 23 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote: ALSO SCUM KNEW CUZ ITS IN THE HUFFLEPUFF QT Plus somebody mentioned that "you should use it on Storr" then everything went quiet of course you used it on him. Also me being a watcher still doesn't make an IOTA of sense AND theres still no way you can explain why I was on syllo (regardless of role) not one of the other 2 scum shots. I've done it multiple times are you blind? Syllo is confirmed town. People guard confirm towns and also are very likely to use powers to watch over them to check heals etc etc. You start in the day saying "I know what's happened", therefore you know what happened to the 2 0.5's. Therefore you were on syllo and knew it was the 2 0.5's I'm so sick of you not getting this. I didn't say you were anything other than watcher. | ||
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On October 23 2013 05:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Time to be honest. We have doc claims anyway. (btw there is no way that there are 2 docs with mafia KP being 1) It starts at 2 | ||
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On October 23 2013 05:45 Mattchew wrote: I lied to you guys... But it seems to have worked why is nobody pushing this.........? | ||
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On October 23 2013 06:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why wouldn't hosts fix this... Slackers not reading the thread? But I do not believe you would lie about contact with the hosts so arffffffffffffffffffffffffffff. Did they say that changed it or did they just tell you how it works because if there is an infiltrator on day 2 then your check would make sense if it didn't include palmar. | ||
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On October 23 2013 06:13 Skanjab1s wrote: Seems more like asking someone else to push it I could totally just leave it and then it would be buried, stfu | ||
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On October 23 2013 06:21 Sn0_Man wrote: OK it sounds like Grack is merely trying to spread as much confusion as possible now? Interesting plan. "let's call everyone in hufflepuff scummy but then question them no further" why do that? happy to just sit on a ray lynch? | ||
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On October 23 2013 06:14 Sn0_Man wrote: And he lied about chatting with the hosts. you clearly misread grack posting it too, stop being a useless dick | ||
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On October 23 2013 06:55 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, you people just keep stating that. Who needs reasons? Other than your lack of real activity, lack of scum hunting, no power claim and shit all else? yeh who needs reasons | ||
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Sn0_Man - heal Grackaroni - vt..........? fake claimed? raynpelikonoshi - 3 candys Mattchew - house cop Onegu - ? syllogism - child Skanjab1s - ? Zaragon Blazinghand - heals Mocsta - vig/SAM justanothertownie - ? Hopeless1der - potions Holyflare - vote StorrZerg - mason recruiter yamato77 Chairman Ray - ? | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:04 raynpelikonoshi wrote: rofl. so the wholse hufflepuff bullshit has been bullshit right? what was the intention of this? If there is one scum in Gryffindor why is it not Pandain who has flipped scum? -rayn the mods changed it so that it only reflects alive people so pandain doesn't count | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote: fuck you the check is from N2. Liar. -rayn They included palmar in the original 1 but now they are saying the mods fixed it and told them and so it only includes people alive. | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote: BH obviously. But snowman saved him. The problem is the BH claiming RB, if scum has RB, why not kill syllo and make Hopeless look bad because the potion got lost again? what about town RB? | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:14 raynpelikonoshi wrote: There is one scum in our house QT. Pandain has flipped scum. Matt is house cop. There is STILL ONE SCUM IN OUR QT! ROFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -rayn how have you not got it, if they were lying that could quite clearly make it up and say 2 mafia to follow their day 1 but obviously mods have changed it so it only shows alive people??? | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:16 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Mattchew checked on N1, Pandain was not dead on N1. LIAR! SCUM! mattchew checked fucking hufflepuff day 1.................... | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: He is saying he did check us on N1.... -rayn HE LIED NIGHT 2................................... -.- | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote: bECAUSE YOU FUCKING IDIOTS DID NOT LYNCH HIM ON D1. NOW LYNCH JAT. -rayn HOW CAN YOU CLAIM GRACK IS LYING ABOUT VT BUT THEN SWITCH TO JAT, HUFFLEPUFF ALSO HAD A SCUM REMEMBER?!?!!??! This literally makes no sense, wtf is wrong with you. | ||
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On October 23 2013 07:23 Holyflare wrote: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM GRACK IS LYING ABOUT VT BUT THEN SWITCH TO JAT, HUFFLEPUFF ALSO HAD A SCUM REMEMBER?!?!!??! This literally makes no sense, wtf is wrong with you. On October 23 2013 07:23 Holyflare wrote: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM GRACK IS LYING ABOUT VT BUT THEN SWITCH TO JAT, HUFFLEPUFF ALSO HAD A SCUM REMEMBER?!?!!??! This literally makes no sense, wtf is wrong with you. On October 23 2013 07:23 Holyflare wrote: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM GRACK IS LYING ABOUT VT BUT THEN SWITCH TO JAT, HUFFLEPUFF ALSO HAD A SCUM REMEMBER?!?!!??! This literally makes no sense, wtf is wrong with you. On October 23 2013 07:23 Holyflare wrote: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM GRACK IS LYING ABOUT VT BUT THEN SWITCH TO JAT, HUFFLEPUFF ALSO HAD A SCUM REMEMBER?!?!!??! This literally makes no sense, wtf is wrong with you. On October 23 2013 07:23 Holyflare wrote: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM GRACK IS LYING ABOUT VT BUT THEN SWITCH TO JAT, HUFFLEPUFF ALSO HAD A SCUM REMEMBER?!?!!??! This literally makes no sense, wtf is wrong with you. | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:28 StorrZerg wrote: we have 2 medics wtf are you talking about lol Are you trolling too? Sn0 didn't reveal until grace | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: Get off your high horse holyflare. Bh was a good choice. I had a scum read on zaragon, and everyone willing to believe he was medic, bh was the ideal choice to execute night kill. If I didn't rb bh, and no Nk happened. We would be in a worse spot than now arguably... I.e. still no night kill. It really comes down to what is more plausible. Bh fake claiming and getting blocked Or Scum playing the long game, which suggests are reads are all wrong. If I was scum, 3 man down and under pressure. I would just want to start shooting town. Long game is too much balls. Did you even care to ask if nk's are factional? | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:34 Cephiro wrote: You are no-one to talk like that to a spellcaster of my level. I have useful abilities that work better when not tampered with. Does the scum you have a problem with that or is your mind all huffle and puff like it seems to be for most in your house? Stop with this shit voldemort, I've been consistent with my reads all game don't lump me in with that bunch of confusing people. There are 3 scum one of them is jat or you, another is in my house. I'm going to lynch there regardless. | ||
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Also i clearly miss said ray as i literally just posted this before On October 23 2013 09:36 Holyflare wrote: Stop with this shit voldemort, I've been consistent with my reads all game don't lump me in with that bunch of confusing people. There are 3 scum one of them is jat or you, another is in my house. I'm going to lynch there regardless. | ||
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On October 23 2013 13:39 syllogism wrote: (1) JAT can you just role claim? (2) I doubt Storr was shot because you supposedly get notified if you take damage if you don't die. I think one of the 0.5 kp roles mentioned this. (3) It was very obvious Mattchew was the cop I will likely have more soon. Only harry potter says the target will be notified, the other 0.5 doesn't so its safe to assume 1kp doesn't either. If nobody died then it had to be storr? | ||
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Also, from a framers point of view, why would he frame someone from gryffindor? There was posts from storr in our qt that said he wqs checking scum in either ravenclaw or slytherin so if there ws mafia in hufflepuff a frame on gryffindor would be really dumb. So either cop flips red and everything makes sense or cop flips green and hufflepuff is less suspicious. Based on this information i think the cephiro lynch is actually quite apt unless he reveals his powers because syllo seems definite mattchew is town/cop even though i don't see it. Especially as storr said he was breadcrumbing cop in day 1 before the mattchew qt started, i think, can't check that on phone right now. | ||
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On October 24 2013 02:26 syllogism wrote: If so, that's one of the worst lies I've seen. I didn't even bother asking you to demonstrate your power because there was no reason to lie about something like that This is the 3rd "bending of truth" that people have done about their powers. You were on track to lynching me and my power looks very scummy. I could quite clearly have not said anything and just afkd today but I'm telling you the truth. That is why I'm equally confused about the secret vote on stutters. Why would i do that instead of voting myself as they were both apt lynches. I'm not intentionally hiding my intentions here. | ||
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On October 24 2013 02:33 syllogism wrote: If you are town, don't do that again. You are going to inevitably get caught and look bad, and just claiming your "suspicious" power is usually going to make you look better, not worse. Well i wanted to be the only one to claim in hufflepuff qt but then storr and matt started asking everyone to reveal | ||
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On October 24 2013 02:27 Holyflare wrote: We do not know if the cop claim was entirely accurate so instead of lynching a potentially framed house member i think we should be lynching one of those 3, ray is looking like the most probable one to be scum. Also, from a framers point of view, why would he frame someone from gryffindor? There was posts from storr in our qt that said he wqs checking scum in either ravenclaw or slytherin so if there ws mafia in hufflepuff a frame on gryffindor would be really dumb. So either cop flips red and everything makes sense or cop flips green and hufflepuff is less suspicious. Based on this information i think the cephiro lynch is actually quite apt unless he reveals his powers because syllo seems definite mattchew is town/cop even though i don't see it. Especially as storr said he was breadcrumbing cop in day 1 before the mattchew qt started, i think, can't check that on phone right now. I'm talking about this | ||
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On October 24 2013 02:59 Sn0_Man wrote: I think ur double voting today regardless. Town is commandingly in the lead I still think no reason for shenannies to be possible. Regardless of anything BH may say. I know i am double voting regardless, just want cephiro to full claim before i lynch him | ||
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On October 24 2013 08:38 Cephiro wrote: Also for this... I did crumb beforehand who I'd check. I also crumbed the result, but that crumb is so complicated that there is a snowflakes chance in hell anyone finds it out. I'll give a hint though for those who don't think it's bs: Finland. If you find this one out before I claim it tomorrow, I'll be very, very impressed. For now, good night. On October 21 2013 21:24 Cephiro wrote: EBWOP: To add on the above statement, scum doesn't clearly consider me a threat or a possibility behind some night actions, the mis-lynch on me would've been pushed much harder at this point. So I believe they think either: 1) I am no threat to them. 2) I am a pro-scum role that is not aligned with them. 3) Have planned something for me later. Also, I am almost 100% certain Ron Weasley is town. that's not really breadcrumbing if you come out and say it...... | ||
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On October 24 2013 09:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So why is everyone wanting to lynch outside me/Cephiro? It's a 50% chance of hitting scum. For Cephiro, if he is town, lynching me would be 100% and he is hesitant to lynch me.. lol.. I do not believe there is a framer. Given that the only check we know of is a house check, which means framer is incredibly powerful, as instead of hitting one person, it hits a most of 6. If a check says "there is X scum in house Y", what happens when there are 3 people left in the house (see our house atm). We lynch one. They turn up town. We lynch another one. They turn up town. The last guy must be scum. They turn up town. Framer role would be indredibly BS, there is no way there is a framer. -rayn That's why there are cop roles to check. | ||
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and this: Also, from a framers point of view, why would he frame someone from gryffindor? There was posts from storr in our qt that said he was checking scum in either ravenclaw or slytherin so if there ws mafia in hufflepuff a frame on gryffindor would be really dumb. So either cop flips red and everything makes sense or cop flips green and hufflepuff is less suspicious. Based on this information i think the cephiro lynch is actually quite apt unless he reveals his powers because syllo seems definite mattchew is town/cop even though i don't see it. | ||
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On October 24 2013 10:02 Holyflare wrote: Or there is no framer. | ||
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On October 23 2013 08:32 Cephiro wrote: Okay, so I'm caught up. I had originally planned skipping this evening of discussion since I'm really fired up (don't provocate me now.) about a discussion of our classification system in the machine dance gaming organization in Finland. I'll be here for ~30 minutes and I should go to sleep then or I'm going to be sorry for it tomorrow morning. I don't know what to think of this hufflepuff shit anymore. If the claim is true, then we should obviously lynch JAT. (I know myself to be town, I have a greencheck on rayko from N1, which I claimed here: Based on our discussions in the QT, I'd like to raise the hufflepuffian way of discussion and claim that the check is either bullshit or we've been framed. I do not believe JAT to be scum currently. That is the post cephiro is referring to for his D3 claim. Find the breadcrumb, get a cookie | ||
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That's way too obvious... He said it was a "snowflake of a chance"............. Also, how did he know you were draco? | ||
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On October 23 2013 09:55 Cephiro wrote: Also Mocsta, if you wanted to be more convincing you could've at least gone ##Sectumsempra. Although I guess everyone knows Draco is too skilless to perform even that. To think a muggle-born like me outclasses a pureblood like you so heavily... ...........? | ||
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On October 23 2013 18:38 Cephiro wrote: Semi-available for three hours at most. After I leave for practice, I won't be available until a little before the deadline. Mocsta is being as anti-town as possible and is effectively trying to work against any usefulness my masonry has. He also does not have a second coin. I think I already made it quite clear that I have 6 coins to give out during the whole game, which have all been given out. (Pandain, LastArgument, I-be-Pro, Mocsta on D1, Sn0_Man, Grackaroni on D2) I am able to send a secret message to the coin owners once a day. Additionally, if they die, I will be able to use more of my spells. (1-shot each.) If I was an SK and shot LoneMeow, why wouldn't I have fakeclaimed town vigi? Mocstas crap makes no sense. And he keeps forgetting his abilities etc... He also isn't putting nearly as much effort into finding scum as in recent towngames of his. I think he's a valid target as well. Like he knows your name so that must mean he checked you right, so why does he say you're a valid target!? | ||
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On October 24 2013 10:16 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Holyflare what the fuck is the point of multiple quotes that do not tell us shit? Why are you quoting random Cephiro's posts? Does it help us if you find the breadcrumb (which he obviously is not lying about as he brought it up)? What...the...hell..are...you...doing? -rayn It's not fucking useless, you find who he checks, you find inconsistencies. Just like this draco bs that I'm pointing out. He knows mocstas name is draco but then he's saying he's an apt lynch. Those 2 things do not go together. | ||
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First time Cephiro calls him draco: Page 173: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=173#3448 Cephiro wants Mocsta lynched: Page 177: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=177#3525 | ||
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On October 24 2013 12:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Don't worry you might get more candy tonight Grack. Holyflare. I am a bit confused. We had a talk about my role/actions claim and Grack's claim at the start of D3. Are you not paying attention or how is it possible you don't know what Grack meant when he said he will be RB'd? -rayn I didn't know when it took effect and how long it lasts. | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:54 justanothertownie wrote: I don't say such things. If you are not scum HolyFlare get interesting for example. You're telling me to get interesting........? Coming from you???? | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:55 justanothertownie wrote: Hm? You are telling me 2 secret voters for town are very likely? Do you know what the scum powers are? If hopeless potion stops someone from voting, don't you think that is a counter to secret votes? We only know about invunerability so far, how do we know he isn't lying? Plus there are potentially 2 other scum when cephiro flips red and you don't know their powers. Or do YOU? | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:56 Cephiro wrote: Yeah like your tens of "Why is no-one pressuring this guy?" -quotes. Because pushing them yourself would be scummy? Meh... As I said, this one is one of the four to lynch after I flip. You're so full of crap, I've pushed plenty of scummy things. Mattchew, you, etc. | ||
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On October 25 2013 03:59 Cephiro wrote: Matt = Town housecop Me = Town secretmasonvoter Yes, very scummy. totally why everyones votes are on you | ||
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On October 25 2013 04:04 Cephiro wrote: Not like town hasn't ever mislynched before. Would you like to tell us why you claimed that the immortality might be a lie when syllo has already confirmed that is what the potion did? You're next, scummer. Where the hell did I say immortality was a lie? He has 4 different potions, immortality certainly isn't town aligned but yes the reveal in pm suggests otherwise. The point is that you don't know scum powers so you do not know what counters secret votes. | ||
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On October 25 2013 04:22 Cephiro wrote: On a confirmed town, certainly not. As for the latter, you make it sound like you do. Care to share? Clearly confirmed townie. This is bs shitflinging and you know it. | ||
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On October 25 2013 07:14 Holyflare wrote: You guys are actually kidding right? There's a POSITIVE COP CHECK on people in gryffindor ON THE HOUSE THAT WASN'T GOING TO GET COP CHECKED, there is absolutely no way that a fucking framer does that shit. We lynch jat or rayn and there is no other option. Stop playing dumb. On October 25 2013 07:15 Holyflare wrote: Seeing as jat called LM vig shot then it must be rayn, there is no other option. I also don't see how the rest of hufflepuff has not confirmed this to be the case and actively agreeing with this point? Grack I can see as town and have done for most of the game and I realise he's been distracted by the scum hunting and participation that he has been doing but hopeless has pretty much given out 1 potion and afkd. If they read what I wrote and what storr/matt wrote they'd see the logic and realise it could only be rayn. | ||
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On October 25 2013 15:41 Mocsta wrote: the use of maybe does not align with the stated outcome of him being sk in either scenario Why do you even think there is a 3p and why is it jat? 1) Nobody else can explain the LM kill. 2) Scum check in gryffindor | ||
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On October 25 2013 15:51 Onegu wrote: So you just go from him being 3p to him being vigi scum who shot his own team N1 dafuq? Also isnt wording with SK that they show up as scum or show up as red on checks? Yes | ||
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On October 25 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote: God... Holyflare.. Again.. if you want to cross that bridge. Please Make a case With 3 modkills we are running out of lets lucky dip the scum We need calm, calculated lynches Seriously, I have 12 hours to write that shit out, I'm certainly not going to do it now. For now I can speculate and question things all I want. There is ALWAYS things that people haven't thought of and if something interesting comes up in the interim between now and making my case on who I think we should lynch then that is nothing but positive. If you do not like what I am saying then fine, stay away from it but do not stifle the conversation. | ||
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Also, this is the second night BH has been role blocked and no kill has gone through. I was very suspicious of him as the game started and leaned off because of the medic claim, but this is pretty coincedental. (why does mocsta keep blocking him anyway?) I have no idea why you blocked him a second night when he was going to save the other medic, the first block was crazy dumb, this is just also getting ridiculous... However, if you were scum rb, you'd know the medic was rb and would kill sn0 so IMO that makes you towny (already was town on you already). The case on rayn I made actually just ended up being proof he was town too. The rayn I played with when scum was a dog with a bone, however, that bone was actually a retard stick and he wouldn't let go of it. He wqs aggressive on really really minor points and couldn't coherently come up with proper reasoning for scum motives. This rayn is different, he's still a dog with a bone but it's a bone that is made of logic and reasoning. Yes, at the start koshi picked up on skan for nothing but that is koshi, i don't understand that guy, ever. Rayn has been pushing people and falling off when it seems like something makes sense, he's pressured grack A LOT and helpfully that made grack post more and we could get a read on him. That is why I think the gryffindor check must have been tampered with. If jat is vigi, which he must be then there is no other choice. The only scum team that I can see is a ray/bh/skan team. I was wary of Onegu because I don't think his content is that good and he has beeb pushing things that were already discussed so I had him as one of the scum too, however, syllo explained that there was extra action in the QT that made him look town so I can't really say anything about that, although I would like to know from syllo what onegu was saying. All in all, I am confident that ray will flip scum and I have also pm'd about a 24 hour day. ##Vote: Chairman ray | ||
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Yesterday people knew bh wasn't getting protected and he is a 'medic', everyone kind of silently agreed with this to a point but now he isn't dead. That is ridiculously suspicious, not to mention that scum shot onegu?? Like wtf? Nobody even knew that guys role why the hell would they shoot him over a medic? If mocsta was scum (hypothetically) then he would have just killed the other medic, sn0, but that didn't happen either. So what happened? I think bh tried to shoot sn0 but Mocsta caught BH out again, onegu fake claims vet to take the heat off and make it seem like BH is innocent. If we lynch onegu first, we can still rb bh to see if nk's go through and then we won't lose a medic in the process while still verifying an onegu/bh scum team. The third person I think is skan, so onegu to confirm this all and then follow up from there IMO. | ||
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On October 28 2013 05:13 justanothertownie wrote: Who would you have shot? Most people were save some way. Grack the pretty much town read for all, hopeless the potion of op, rayn?? Or onegu the guy who has pretty much said nothing of worth in the entire thread... | ||
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On October 28 2013 05:16 Blazinghand wrote: as a scum player though if you see a townie who has done nothing all game long and softclaimed blue, that kinda scares you doesn't it? Everyone in this game is blue pretty much. | ||
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On October 28 2013 05:18 Blazinghand wrote: ok true but some of the people had hard claimed important roles and we had coordinated saves. scum would shoot outside of the pool of people who are obviously being saved Sn0 couldn't save you last night, why aren't you the unconfirmed medic, dead? | ||
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On October 28 2013 05:22 Blazinghand wrote: Also HF how convenient you bring this up now rather than BEFORE the CR mislynch? Well I've been having tests all day and thought it would be a skan/cr/you team, now cr is out onegu fits really well. | ||
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On October 28 2013 05:29 syllogism wrote: What about his play in particular fits "really well"? Bh gets roleblocked twice in a row and there's no night kills, he's going to get a lot of flak, so onegu conveniently claims to get shot? Fits really well. Not to mention his play all game it has been tunneled. He has been soft pushing BH but with no real evidence for it. He has been on me and not really much else. I seriously do not believe town has a vet on top of the powers people have already, it just doesn't make sense. JAT also asked me if I'm ignoring cop checks, if he is the vig and I have a town read on rayn then yes, I have to assume a miller or framer so I'm not going to trust cop checka over something that seems obvious. Mocsta can't be scum because sn0 would be dead. Literally the only people that weren't being saved/immune were Me, grack, bh, onegu, rayn, skan, sn0. In that group are 2 medics and 2 very town reads for people. So they shoot onegu who has the least lengthy, questionable filter in the game and they don't know his role? I don't think so, scum needs definite kills to win right now, surely they take out surefire town reads to make the game harder, not onegu? | ||
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On October 28 2013 06:50 Holyflare wrote: Bh gets roleblocked twice in a row and there's no night kills, he's going to get a lot of flak, so onegu conveniently claims to get shot? Fits really well. Not to mention his play all game it has been tunneled. He has been soft pushing BH but with no real evidence for it. He has been on me and not really much else. I seriously do not believe town has a vet on top of the powers people have already, it just doesn't make sense. JAT also asked me if I'm ignoring cop checks, if he is the vig and I have a town read on rayn then yes, I have to assume a miller or framer so I'm not going to trust cop checka over something that seems obvious. Mocsta can't be scum because sn0 would be dead. Literally the only people that weren't being saved/immune were Me, grack, bh, onegu, rayn, skan, sn0. In that group are 2 medics and 2 very town reads for people. So they shoot onegu who has the least lengthy, questionable filter in the game and they don't know his role? I don't think so, scum needs definite kills to win right now, surely they take out surefire town reads to make the game harder, not onegu? At least rayn fucking understands.... | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:10 Mocsta wrote: In got Onegu was clearly town in pm and was lynch bait in thread. Syllo thinks onegu is town because of qt. Do u really think onegu could trick syllo?? So let me get this straight. On top of the entire game being immune you think there is a vet that GOT SHOT LAST NIGHT. You think bh is scum and should be lynched first because of your rbs but if you were rbing him then onegu's claim is surely bs?? He looks nothing like a towny in his filter have you even read it? Et's push on him as I've said before wqs REALLY shit in context, all you have to do is read the thread it was really out of the blue at a time where there were many more things going on than onegu saying sorry lile he always does. His play this game has been pushing me and lightly pushing bh but he never follows up on it, ever. We can't see qt and syllo has been wrong all game, you just questioned his fucking role but now you believe him?? I swear to god you look so scummy for saying these things. | ||
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Mocsta, you said previously about me saying et soft pushed onegu? I never said that, re-read what I've been writing. I said he vehemently (aggressively) pushed him at a time that many other things were going on, over him saying sorry a lot and wouldn't drop it. You also point out that i still call onegu bad because he hadn't posted since then WHICH YOU AGREE TO IN YOUR NEXT POST. In context these posts all make sense. I reas your points on BH/zaragon because i wanted to see why you were voting him but i couldn't see the reasons myself and I've played games with BH, +it was hia bday so i gave him the benefit of the doubt. This is what annoys me because syllo just peddles some more bs about how this is weird for someone who doesn't like slowplay when evidently the beginning of day 2 i straight up vote bh for staying shit. Also onegu scum slip of framer is just icing on the cake, i guarantee he is scum now. There is no way after looking at his filter that he is town (has anyone even done that)? He's done literally nothing. Like I've said he has the smallest filter with the most questionable content in this game. No way scum shot him, no way there is a vet, no way is he not scum. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:05 Mocsta wrote: this is bad dude. how can you put onegu in front of BH, let alone hopeless. what's worse is hopeless is a 50/50....since when have you even considered hopeless as scum, and if my case had any bearing, why is it only 50/50 me no likey It does not matter what order they are in if I'm telling you who is scum because they will all flip red. Hopeless/skan is process of elimination so regardless of your case or not it doesn't matter. Obviously lynch order is interchangeable -.-... | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote: holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=Onegu&view=all that's onegu most recent scum game... u keep talking about onegu filter being scummy, I don't see the similarities between desert and this game.mainly onegu is more assertive and opinionated as scum. feel free to walk me through it. He selectively picks and chooses when to believe cop checks or not, his top scum read was mattchew day 1 who i literally made a case on to get lynched, his next read after that was me and bh. So he has a scum read on me despite me actively 'bussing' 2 scum? There is just no real content... Just him saying he's read things. Can't really get into meta even though I love it, not got the time to quote enough on phone. Cephiro made a good case on him and there is a red check on ravenclaw, why would they frame onegu WHO THEY WERE SHOOTING????? On October 23 2013 02:03 Onegu wrote: Check my meta sn0 I like to bus as scum, please dont let this be the only reason you give me a town read. I am going to catch more scum though!!! He's ok bussing team mates (hence the bh 'scum reads') why even mention this if he is town or scum? It's not very relevant to point out as either alignment. | ||
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On October 29 2013 01:31 Onegu wrote: So you arent reading the thread or purposely trying to make me look bad. Don't try and trash what i say, he only claimed today: On October 26 2013 04:11 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I lied. In fact I was not unkillable tonight. Don't ask me why I did that - I had my reasons and I guarantee you won't understand until postgame. If scum was bold enough to shoot me don't speculate about my role (which role I rolled each night and how I used it for example because the pool will be revealed to you if I flip and it is quite big) there is nothing to gain by that. I rolled Housecop tonight. Checked Ravenclaw. Cephiro was right btw. I am Neville Longbottom the forgetful. Mocsta said he was town pandain, so no cop check, only syllo uttered something about being joat and only revealed he had a rb today, his lumos is completely different from a cop check. Why are you ignoring the rest of what I've posted?? | ||
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On October 29 2013 02:26 syllogism wrote: Holyflare what's your working theory regarding NK last night? They shot someone who got healed/bh got rb'd again. It looks so bad for bh AGAIN and onegu is literally forced to reveal today because of thread pressure that the only thing he can do is scum preservation and the balls to the wall play of linking him and Bh together. There is nothing else they can do at this point | ||
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On October 29 2013 02:41 syllogism wrote: Why is either fine if your theory is that Onegu was forced to claim to save BH, who Onegu is by the way also bussing then. On October 23 2013 02:03 Onegu wrote: Check my meta sn0 I like to bus as scum, please dont let this be the only reason you give me a town read. I am going to catch more scum though!!! No need to mention that either? I am so sure that this isn't town BH that I'm comfortable lynching him first it really doesn't matter what order it's in if i think both are scum does it? | ||
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On October 29 2013 02:49 syllogism wrote: Well your theory is that he was forced to claim to save BH and he isn't even trying to save him and frankly if it's a fake claim, it seems very unlikely that mafia thought that would save BH, assuming he is mafia. What's your theory then oh great one. | ||
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Mocsta i understand your hopeless shit but don't you think at least the night to prove himself would be ok compared to the BH that "saved" sn0 tonight? He wasn't roleblocked, sn0 is still dead. | ||
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On October 29 2013 12:12 Holyflare wrote: How many people visited your house? | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:21 Mocsta wrote: anyways, I asked my house to make BH a squib. with the challenge potion. I put down my vote, it not sure if its a house majority thing. BTW holy. I find it suiper unlikely skanjab is Mafia. Why have your reads changed so drastically x_x | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:40 syllogism wrote: This is interesting by the way So squib is a vanilla role without any powers. What does that say about Holyflare? Highlighted for what I've said over and over again until you actually get it. Masons have powers becauae they can secretly communicate to another player. Other people were squibs with extra flavor attached too, i.e toad etc. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:00 syllogism wrote: All they have to do is state that state that the information provided is incorrect and a squib does not equal vanilla townie. If a host makes an error, the fair play is to correct said error even if that has implications on the alignment of a player. It is by far worse not to. Thus essentially confirming a player as town........... You're kidding right? | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:13 syllogism wrote: Absolutely not, it confirms the player a squib with a power. Mafia could be a squib with power as well. So in a game where the whole point is guessing a role and alignment, you want the mods to confirm that a role is correct, like i said, delusional. The only time they would correct that would be end game in an apology. I find it hard to believe that you'd only bring that up right now despite that occurring on day 2. Much has happened since then, bh's post looks like shit, sn0 died when he was on him, mocsta has lumos results etc etc and the only person you want to vote is the guy whose role is slightly unbelievable? I literally would have fake claimed vt as scum and nobody would have given it a second thought but no, I told you my 'power' when i didn't actually have to in the hopes of divulging information. If you have something actually substantial on me then be my guest and state it. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:21 syllogism wrote: I'm done discussing this with you. Feel free to spend your time more productively, for instance by pleading to the host. You are right, there should be an apology if you flip town, but it should be from the hosts of the game to town collectively. I've made my issues known about your play previously and those things still largely stand. No, you have not, you pointed out things that I have proven to be just not true. You've abused the fact that you are an IC with suboptimal play to say the least. If you weren't modconfimed I would have seriously contemplated lynching you this game for it. I have done nothing but try and hunt for scum the entirety of this game and to be voted off because you don't like how mods distribute power is ridiculous. There are people like BH who you say if sn0 dies it PROVES he is scum but you arent voting him off, there are people that have quite literally done nothing this entire game like skanjabs who will continue to do so. Yet here you are, coasting, voting for the player with an odd role. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:29 syllogism wrote: Plus the way you are arguing about this essentially confirms you as mafia. I just said that hosts have corrected critical errors many times. You have no way of knowing whether what you are postulating about hosts not correcting errors is true. You already know that "the error" is not going to be corrected, because the only error here is yours. I'm arguing because you are full of shit. If i was a host i would absolutely not do that. It ruins the game. You essentially confirm it as a possibility in a game where it is about logic. I do not care if you vote me because of my power but I do care if you base it on wanting a mod to confirm or not. | ||
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On October 30 2013 05:43 Skanjab1s wrote: Hey guys, lovely day today isn't it? Claim right now | ||
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Why aren't you contributing and why aren't you explaining your vote. | ||
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I do not need to defend this squib thing again, you wasted the entirety of day 2 doing the same thing and quite clearly i have rectified myself since then. Yet somehow, people have seemingly ignored it right until now? That's a little TOO convenient don't you think? It's not the hardest fucking thing in the world. I don't need to make any counter cases because I've solved the game for you. BH DIDN'T SAVE SN0 AND WASN'T RB'D his pissy shit sob story is pathetic. Skan refuses to reveal his role at this point in the game, doesn't contribute, parks a vote on a wagon and afks. Has questionable day 1, shit rest of the game because?? Demoralised?? Totally useless. Onegu claims vet and that he was shot after rb'd bh, has nothing but tunnel, soft pushes bh and then totally drops it after last night even though BH evidence is damning. | ||
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I am not going to yell or cry and make excuses about what you are doing other than call your play shit. Some guy posts nothing for 2 days and claims medic at the end of a day after a lot of pressure and doing nothing. His medic was put to the test last night. It quite clearly failed. Yet, that's not enough evidence for you?? His posts were nothing like town bh meta and then he's quite clearly forced into saying how hes demoralised, you wabt to know the really stupid part?? THAT YOU BELIEVE IT. Syllo claims that if sn0 gets shot that is like BH claiming mafia. Yet he has done nothing to follow up on that and quite clearly won't today. I'm tired of letting him past and I've been on this guy for like 3 straight days but when my suspicions come fo fruition and actually become really obvious to everyone they turn around and lynch me. Yeh great town you're with there. Onegu has been a dark horse. His play isn't like his meta which I've semi properly read now, his play as been constantly tunneled upon me with inconsistencies. He thought the 2 people that I was pressuring hard;Bh abd mattchew were scum but that was how he initially derived a scum read on me? How does that make sense. He's fake pushed me all game and has come up with no evidence of why I am scum, he just states that I am and that he has read. Look at his votes? They follow thrwad sentiment all they way, never following his suspicions, never making cases on his scum reads, and then claims vet because after the entire thread has revealed, he has to right? Not to mention that they even shot him in the first place. I have no idea why people find that believable. Scum would not visit the house that contains the person with lumos in it to shoot a guy whose powers they don't know over 2 medics who couldn't heal each other and 2-3 town reads. | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:39 Mocsta wrote: Yes, that was a major down point for Holyflare. Especially given that the response to the "slip" by ET was spoilered. I literally just told you i spoiler long quotes or cases. | ||
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Format will be terrible because phone but hopefully effort will shine through: Onegu All game he has done nothing but state things. No cases, reads based off of nothing, i can't comprehend why you see him as town. Firstly, let's start right back at the start of the game. All of onegu's first few posts are based in him telling us he is catching up - will catch up etc etc. While this is not alignment indicative there are certain tells that make him scum. Take for instance :+ Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 18:22 Onegu wrote: Lol you got me, sorry about that. But for realz you going on about setup speculation and how there are going to be many power roles because it is a themed game is just like you are backpeddleing from a slip and the onlything you have to go on is speculation. This is his first real interaction with ET. Bear in mind that at this point ET had made a case on onegu for saying sorry a lot, which he dignified with a 1-2 line response and the rest of it was throwing in town reads. At this point ET has straight up voted for onegu and his only reply is to respond to ET speculation. Nothing about his case, no content, nothing. This is because he knows the pressure is fake and won't need to back it up. Not to mention he is only piggybacking off of rayn/koshis post adding nothing new. Why would you not try and actively disuade pressure from yourself? Compare this to his game where he is town. People make cases on Onegu and he fights, trying to determine motives, trying to establish reads for other townies to see and constructing posts that are helpful to read + Show Spoiler + On August 24 2013 14:57 Onegu wrote: So Im in the hospital now so this will be brief, I should be out tomorrow but not sure. So the two biggest things that stuck out to me. Im not really up for a yamato lynch. Have to go over his filter again but why wouldnt we lynch the other scummy person in sn0? Second we need to take a closer look at firmtofu there are a few reasons for this. This post is a big reason, why would you ever ignore a red check? If we just ignore it there will always talk about it, or it will come back, makeing a even bigger waste of time. He should be vig shot or lynched otherwise town atmosphre will be completely destroyed. My scum games I am very active vayne made a post about its so much easier to play when you know everything. Firm knows this. I like this post alot makes me feel better about crazy. Anyway my pain meds are kicking in. So Im out for now. He states reasons, he backs up reads, he does stuff that is useful. Now look at this game. His culmination of day 1 is displaying his town reads. He votes mattchew early because of 1 case of his even though he says: On October 19 2013 04:49 Onegu wrote: Im fighting the internet gods now so going to put a vote down on mattchew as of page 58 where I am he never answered my question to him and his vote was random with very little reasoning ##VOTE MATTCHEW There is so little basis for this it dumbfounds me. He switches after I make a case on matt so that means he follows it right? He must think reasoning is solid and he votes after mocsta. However if he thinks mattchew is scum, where does his incredibly adamant scum read on me come from? Let's get to the bottom of this. We saw Onegu's town post, he constructs thoughts when he can of who is scum, he actively tries to say why and come up with reasons. Does that occur in this thread? He briefly questions storr on matt asking things like: Why is matt town to you? How are you sure matt is town. He never questions anything else to do with hufflepuff other than my vote on mattchew. After this it becomes: On October 22 2013 02:13 Onegu wrote: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE BH Stutters is around and will give CR a chance to post or get modkilled. With no reasoning and then with the post straight after: On October 22 2013 02:49 Onegu wrote: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE CHAIRMANRAY With no reasoning again. This is very unlike town onegus posts from his filters in other games. This is pretty much the only interaction I've had with onegu all game at this point: + Show Spoiler + On October 21 2013 03:28 Onegu wrote: In that order with how much space in between? Is it close between all three or what? I'm glad he can get a read off of all this interaction because seemingly at this point half of the thread said i was towny. He must have mystical powers. Not to mention he makes a post identical to this straight after. His scum read on me stems from here. That is why ot is not logical. Currently I had pushed a case n mattchew (his top scum read) abd bh (his second scum read) so what reasoning does he give for his scum read on me? Oh yeh, none, like the rest of his content this game. This is a recurring theme in his filter that just isn't consistent with townish onegu. On October 22 2013 18:36 Onegu wrote: Im going to filter JAT and skan tonight as I dont have a food read on either of them at this point. He posts that he will read and then just self confirms in the hope that someone will believe he has read through: On October 23 2013 00:53 Onegu wrote: You guys have any questions for me? I just finished reading JAT I doubt he is scum, going to go over skanjabs now. Despite all of this unnecessary setup speculation (thought he hated that when he said it to ET) mocsta shuts him down with logic + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote: Alright Ill drop it for now, can lynch HF or CR tomorrow. So he replies with whatever the shit he wants - an unsubstantiated claim on me or on CR. Despite the facts checks at this point can be seen to most probably tampered with. He doesn't care he'll vote whatever because it doesn't matter and he doesn't need a reason. Now if his play wasn't questionable enough for you there is this: + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2013 23:30 Onegu wrote: He is saying if bh is scum he has to say he protects sn0 if sn0 still dies BH confirmed scum... Then i get into a confrontation with him because of his claim. It's dumb and now that I've reread it i have found out he was in fact quite categorically lying. We'll get to that in a second though: + Show Spoiler + After everything i said he ignores it all and writes 1 line about it which doesn't address anything I've written bar 1 oversight. However, apart from his replies being incredibly lackluster like most of his game there was the dispute on why somebody would frame chairman ray that night. Clearly at that point mocsta was a revealed town pandain abd hopeless was questionable but with 1 cop check that he used. So why on earth would a framer if there is one target ray if nothing was said about cephiro. Quite clearly scum knows a house cop is dead, there is one vig who did not reveal till the grace period of the next day that he was a joat and there was syllo who had a watcher ability from the night befoere. There is no way scum would use a frame on ray at this point. Syllos lower is too dangerous because townies would just claim they visited that night and confirm syllos count. Thus leaving an odd count if someone didn't reveal. That risk is way too high. Not only that but that risk is doubly amplified by somebody going to kill onegu for the same reason. That night sn0 could not protect bh , so why didn't sn0 or bh die? Why would they not use their 1kp on free healer kills, 1)because bh is mafia, 2)because bh was rbd, 3)because they have 1kp any free healer kill is a no brainer over an unconfirmed role from onegu. There is nowl justification anyone can make to say otherwise. He was forced to claim vet at this time to draw suspicion off of bh because no kill occured, bh was unprotected and a free kill. The fact he didn't die was way too suspicous. Finally, as bh is a no brainer lynch onegu becomes very aprehensive and doesn't vote him at all but wheb it all piles onto me he does his trademark vote with no reason On October 29 2013 23:56 Onegu wrote: ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE Onegu, bh scum team gg. Yes this badly laid out, i have a tiny box on my phone to read from. | ||
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On October 30 2013 15:01 syllogism wrote: It's not the only strong point against him. See e.g. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20022026 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20022049 Whenever I read that day 1 post from him I keep concluding that there is no way a townie would make a post like that. Besides what I stated in those posts, look at what he is saying. He is suggesting that town is, 24 hours into day 1, lacking direction and he has to give it some. The direction he offers is 100% repackaged content and wants to lynch Palmar ridiculous reasons. Look at his "case" against Palmar - does it look like a lynch you should be "MOST comfortable with" and would that be the kind of direction town desperately needs. Nowhere does he even say that Palmar's play makes him mafia and in fact he suggests that Palmar playing more would help town. None of it is repackaged, i fully stated that is was lurker policy lynching thrown in, i added that it could change based on future posting. I have 20+ pages of filter and the only posts you can point out are those, you are total garbage my friend. I quite clearly answered you coherently and sensibly and that is why you dropped that previous line of nonsense here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=94#1861 If you are going to pretty much afk the game and only come back and vote me because of the wording of my role that's fine. But do not make it seem like you are putting effort in by rehashing a past resolved post. Thwt is really bad play. | ||
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On October 30 2013 15:57 syllogism wrote: I'm sorry, quoting my own posts is not repackaging and the context is not the same as all as you were claiming to be giving town direction it desperately needed when all you did it was repeat what had been said before and presented a policy or a lurker lynch as the road map to winning the game. Again, I'm not going to discuss this any further with you as I'm not trying to convince you of anything. It's ridiculous because A) one of the people i mentioned got policy lynched anyway B) stutters case made sense C) sn0 had content that looked fishy If 2 out of the 3 people i made a case in got lybched during the course of the game, that's totally an irrelevant case basis in the first 24 hours of the game isn't it. | ||
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On October 30 2013 17:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Apparently you had something to hide as you fakeclaimed? I said i could make my vote count twice, intentionally not revealing anything else just in case and then when i revealed storr and matt made everyone else reveal. The whole qt was a real witch hunt and if i said it was a secret vote they would of lynched me, despite everyone calling each other town reads. | ||
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On October 30 2013 17:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Then why did you promise to use it on Cephiro in the first place (you did so right?)? I don't think i promised to and i wasn't able to switch votes etc because i was in a lecture, I've already explained that. | ||
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On October 30 2013 17:25 syllogism wrote: He could have easily said that his first potion does something completely different as he had already used it. There was no need to say that it also makes the target unlynchable, but apparently hopeless1der wasn't worried about what his role would make him look like. Why are you still talking to me when you have "nothing to convince me of" | ||
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On October 30 2013 17:38 syllogism wrote: And of course this same self-preserving attitude resurfaced when Mattchew's house check was announced; Holyflare continued to pursue lynches outside his house while most of his housemates were focused on finding the mafia in hufflepuff. This obviously makes sense as they had more information about Hufflepuff members than other players in the game due to having access to the QT. The check did not appear to make Holyflare reconsider any of his Hufflepuff reads. Yeh, ignore the case on mattchew for the stutters/ray lynch and ignore that i thought he was scum day 1. I've literally said it a thousand times. | ||
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On October 30 2013 17:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote: That post makes absolutely zero sense given that you are at that time yourself lying about your role. That's why i posted it??? "oh everyone is lying then -.-" why does that make me the scummiest? 4 or 5 people have done the same thing. | ||
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On October 30 2013 17:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why do you do this? Why do you lie about your power in the first place if you are town? Why o why? Because i do not see any reason to do so... Like syllo said, self preservation. I am confident in my abilities to scum hunt that I would like to stay in later in the game abd I find it unforgivable if a towny doesn't go down without a fight. If it meant i had to mislead people for a day so be it. I had no need to claim my power, i could have just said vt like grack. | ||
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On October 24 2013 02:30 Holyflare wrote: This is the 3rd "bending of truth" that people have done about their powers. You were on track to lynching me and my power looks very scummy. I could quite clearly have not said anything and just afkd today but I'm telling you the truth. That is why I'm equally confused about the secret vote on stutters. Why would i do that instead of voting myself as they were both apt lynches. I'm not intentionally hiding my intentions here. Why are you bending the truth? | ||
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On October 30 2013 18:13 syllogism wrote: i said i didn't want to waste it on a lynch that was going through so easily, i wanted to win the game with it. Obviously the pressure afterwards ment i had to use it regardless of what i thought so i did. Some Hufflepuff players said that you were asked to demonstrate your power on the QT, but did not | ||
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If you want to lynch me properly, make a case based on facts, bot how you remember the events and i shall respond appropriately. Until then i need to sleep as I've stayed up all night trying to solve the game but you absolutely will not listen to me. I we lose because of you i hope you rectify your tunnel in the future. | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:51 syllogism wrote: I'm reading your mafia QT posts and it's pretty amazing that you thought that the case against you was weak. e: holyflare You had no case other than role pm. You just linked your old one that had flawed reasoning. | ||
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On November 03 2013 06:12 syllogism wrote: Those posts from day 1 were posts no townie would ever make, but sadly I wasn't thinking clearly after having Cephiro and CR flip town. Besides that, you lied about your role ability in a way that makes no sense and there was a host confirmation that you were lying about the role completely. I am very much willing to admit when my cases are weak and when I'm wrong, but this is absolutely not such a situation. Those posts? You linked 1 post linking to lonemeow that i would absolutely post as town in every game. People said palmar was town. Lonemeow comes back in with 0 posts and votes him with no reasoning. I am going to post it out and also question the other people on palmar. I also made a case on him to confirm after the night but he got vigd. Day 1 you are also not likely to hit mafia abd so killing lurkers as policy like i said is the most optimal as they were the ones posting enough to keep themselves in but not contributing. You also made no case if you just linked to an old one that you clearly had a good enough reason to drop after my answers. So your only case was a mod pm. | ||
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On November 03 2013 06:31 Grackaroni wrote: Syllo had some good points against him when the 1 scum Hufflepuff check came out I still can't believe that you were scum acting excited that another scum town slipped by saying squib. Also that you claimed a secre vote after that doing that. I haven't played enough mafia to know when a role is considered blue or not so I thought if I could say it was a 1 shot vote then I would fit in. Especially as scum had a role cop, if i was checked by a town role cop it would show my vote. | ||
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Case on sn0 contained meta to back up a point already made about him. Palmar wasn't being questioned or pushed in any way. Stutters posts were not ordinary for someone who hasn't seen more than 1 game of palmars. Of course 24 hours in a case will be very weak though there isn't much content to go on. However, to blindly say a townie wouldn't do that is silly. Seeing as 2 out of 3 people got lynched for the exact reasons in that case then other people also saw sense in them. These people were all under the radar picks that nobody was focusing on (bar sn0),that is why it looks scummy out of context, something you seemingly have a habit to do. | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:23 supersoft wrote: I think scum should focus more on shooting blues. I mean why do you shoot me? I basically claimed VT in here. And in my QT. Sidenote: I expected much more squibs in this game tbh... And if you know Syllo is innocent child, you need to try to get to the medics first, before you try to kill him. Marv wasn't the best kill n1, too since you had the info that he's only a mason. Yes we probably were the ones who established their "townieness" best but snajab, storrzerg and koshi were decent n1 targets, too. Maybe even sn0_man, since he had been in the focus for a bit and it's unlikely, that he comes in the focus again. G_G We had BH's power for someone else to deliver powers and so we got toad to deliver ET's kill as toad looked a bit suspicious, to me anyway, after his night 1 claim. I would have expected him to get cop checked etc. So we framed him too. Pandain said he was a 0.5 vig and nothing else so we could have got him to claim a power for visiting syllo that would have kept him alive a little bit longer. The doctor vig wasn't accounted for because it killed toad and thus killed ET. | ||
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(in mafia game not irl)
