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LastArgument
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Blazinghand
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Holyflare
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Mattchew
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Onegu
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On October 19 2013 20:57 Mattchew wrote: Onegu i was sheeping Ok then do you have any scum reads of your own at this point? And a update on grack in your qt would be nice also as you said he was active earlier. | ||
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syllogism
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I-be-Pro
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On October 19 2013 16:49 supersoft wrote: sorry toad your claim right now is retarded. are you female? is grack female? + if youre both town. scum will shoot one of you for sure. 2 for 1 thats a great deal That's the thing. It is retarded but I've come to the conclusion that not claiming it would have been even more retarded given the situation. Rather get it out now than later on in a "but we still have 1,5 cycles left! No need to rush"-situation and bam, game over because I never mentioned it. Mafia will get that "great" deal sooner or later anyways because at some point I'm going to die or my partner is going to die. Now if I get shot by a townie or lynched instead of being shot by mafia it would be omfg-fucking-worst-case for us because mafia gets 2 with 0 bullets and the "great deal" you're talking about is something you can't do anything about anyways. About the guy who's being my buddy, I either know the guy 100% or someone lied to me in QT. To people asking about names: Don't ever claim your name unless you have to. Claiming your ability/describing your ability is fine but really don't ever claim your name. There have been roles in games that discourage role-claiming like the vig that can shoot multiple times but only if he knows his targets role-name from pokemon and so on. Your name is irrelevant either way so it has 0 advantages to claim it, seeing as chars like myself are town, while having possible, big drawbacks. But like I said I'm going to shower, go for a walk with my dog, reread as much as I can and give you everything I have later on. Most likely going to happen around 2 hours prior to deadline as a general idea + real close to deadline if I have something I don't want mafia to know before deadline hits. And well, there's still the possibility that the guy in question is mafia. Anyways mafia is going to shoot syllo, syllo needs protection. I'm trying to draw hits away from syllo with this. | ||
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syllogism
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I-be-Pro
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+ Show Spoiler + One being a "hi" post One telling me how there aren't that many characters in Harry potter and I shouldn't be fishing for them (the latter part is my interpretation) and One about my first post in this game as I said (I think?) something along the lines of "sup I am town" and how hard it is to play with me because of that One about being left out that I don't know what he was referring to. I didn't like the 2 in the middle at all. The "it's hard to play with you"-post seems faked and like a lie. The second one as it's just been flat out negative, I can't quote the phrasing but it doesn't look good to me. And I want to make sure that every single description I gave here for every single phrase he put in our QT is longer than what he really wrote. That's from the point of view you're not having, our QT. From what I've seen in here I've not seen a lot comming from him. I would have expected more being involved from him and it seems distanced whenever he's posting something, but like I said that's my gut feeling about him. He's the first guy I'll reread once I get back. | ||
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Mocsta
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he is a slippery one worthy of the serpent. in Slytherin, he is the top scum potential. hmmm, BH and zaragon scum for me still. cephrio made a weird ass post about charms etc prior as well. night . | ||
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Pandain
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yamato77
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and by shortly, I mean I'm going to take my sweet ass time and might post once during this night period. | ||
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I-be-Pro
Azerbaijan97 Posts
I'll post examples in spoilers: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 18:42 EchelonTee wrote: The post itself is useless but it has to be useless because someone has to do it. So it's not particularly telling for him at all, however the fact that no other Slytherin cared enough to get "easy bonus points" by stating that and being helpful makes THEM ever so slightly more townish. ET being the one posting this doesn't make him look bad at all, but it doesn't make him look better. Now my gripe with this one is the defensive/apologetical last line. There are people around who post very friendly and think it's proper manners (I disagree with that in a game of mafia) but if that kind of stuff happens a lot it's a mafiatell.Slytherin house is Mocsta, EchelonTee, Zaragon, I-Be-Pro, Sn0_Man, Skanjab1s btw. No idea why it wasn't posted yet. green color is for flavor inb4 tunneling + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 18:34 EchelonTee wrote: While I disagree with the statement at hand because more posts does not equate more healthy discussion and the QT's are an amazing place to let out your urge to spam for players like me my problem with this is the 2nd part.I really, really dislike this. The QT's are basically imperfect mason circles; while a mason circle with confirmed townies is extremely powerful to bounce reads off one another, one that almost definitely has scum in it is very open to manipulation. Any interesting information (people's town lists anyone?) that is listed in a QT, but not in the thread will still make it to the scum, giving them an edge. The QTs are also inferior compared to PM circles, as you can pick and choose who you PM and try to get share information only with people you believe to be town. The majority of the activity should be in thread. I don't doubt that Toad will be active in the thread, but hidden information in QTs is decisively negative. I'm also still considering if the town as a whole should decide on how to use the prizes from challenges or not; putting it up to a town vote would 1.) generate healthy discussion, 2.)allow the town to have more control how these power items will be used. "I don't doubt that Toad will be active in the thread", good to know, but like I said I like agressive tone in games of mafia and there's no need to soft-pad my or anyone elses shoulders like that. If you've got a problem with what I say say so and don't go "I think it's really stupid although he's probably going to be fine anyways" The last part, the part about the items reminds me an awful lot about mayor posts in the essence that it looks really nice to most people but it's utter garbage. He's saying he wants town to have more controle over items, which obviously will make people think it's a good thing but he himself should know that those "plans" never go through anyways. It's not bad but imo it's something he put the for the sake of looking nice, thus my comparison with mayor-election-posts. + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 19:30 EchelonTee wrote: You stated: In exclusion, this statement directly implies that I dislike toad. When I first read this part I thought you were claiming I called toad scummy. Not a big deal I just didn't like the lack of clarity. Are you kidding me? I directly replied to one of Toad's post saying that I disagree with he said. Did I have to put "Toad, what do you think about what I've said?" to satisfy you? Also, my first posts will be about setup. That's how mafia works. Downplaying my analysis of the setup as a "generic observation", instead of responding to my actual content, is just strange. Toad is difficult to read. This is not news unless he has significantly changed his play. For those wondering, I basically stated "why do you claim town toad, it sux". You cut off the part where I directly quote him, just turn back a page and you'll see. If I directly reply to someone's post saying I really, really dislike what they said, then yes they are expected to respond. I feel like you're just wasting my time. You're trying to imply that I'm posting fluff and beating around the bush when I'm talking about something that is incredibly pertinent, the amount of activity in QT vs the amount of activity in thread. Stop it. Just quoted the big one to get the parts with Mocsta in here as well. Take note, that the bolded part was bolded by him, not by me and quite frankly speaking I completly missed that and didn't even catch it. That being said if I was expected to respond because he "really really dislikes" what I said, despite saying he thinks I'm good he should have pressured it. No hey toad you are supposed to answer this to me directly. He's talking about how I am supposed to answer it with Mocsta. I've already given my opinion on the town-claim part. I think it sounded fake, I don't think anyone in here gave a crap about me getting in the thread stating "sup I'm town" and I'm pretty sure everyone thought it's a null that I would have done no matter of alignment, yet he's telling me that it's making me hard to read for whatever reason. + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 19:53 EchelonTee wrote: unrelated to mafia: This is just how I talk in Mafia, Mocsta, I hope you don't take it personally. Again one of those defensive/apologetical posts. + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 20:09 EchelonTee wrote: This clearly articulates why I dislike the QT activity that does not get fully transferred over to thread No it's not, it's saying "don't say it's his meta without explaining what his meta is". At that time it hadn't anything to do with QT activity at all, though plugging his own contribution is something a townie might do as well + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 17:28 EchelonTee wrote: I agree with the sentiment that it was weird that ET got mad and I thought it looked fake as well. He has been cool all game long and suddenly that very harsh line out of nowhere. I don't like his explanation "it's because it's my first game in a while" at all. Idk, I took a pause because it got very frustrating and I got really angry to cool off. I don't think you'll get more angry after a long pause at all, nor do I think he should have given an explanation about why in the first place. Again, it seems defensive to me. He would have been perfectly fine just saying he'll cool off but instead he opted to go into detail making it sound like he's scared about the question at hand.I'll admit I'm putting it on too hard which is likely because this is my first game in a while. I'll cool it. so yes, I mad + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 22:48 EchelonTee wrote: ...I don't even remember justanothertownie. It's really annoying me that the majority of Cephiro's posts are in QT. It'd be nice of 1 of Pandain VayneAuthority raynpelikonoshi Stutters695 justanothertownie could do an analysis of Cephiro's in QT posts. The WHOLE point of ET d1 was something along the lines of: Don't talk in QT because analyzing someone in QT in unreliable because you are not allowed to copy&past thus exact wording get's lost and makes it utterly useless. Weird to ask someone to analyze Ceph when he thinks that's useless I really get the feeling he's faking like I said about the 2 QT posts and the one in thread someone else pointed out and he's very careful about looking good when it comes to "I think we should let town vote about items" and "inbefore people going to vote me because I made it green. That being said afk for an hour walking with my dog | ||
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syllogism
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You-Know-Who
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raynpelikonoshi
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Shit goes down here: On October 19 2013 04:30 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Okay so.. I'm happy that I'm good enough to play with the same style as both scum and town and having them viable. I'm sad that established TL-players are so confident in their "meta-gaming skills". Maybe they'll learn one day. Maybe. I remember being sad about it over a year ago when I went to the army. I guess things don't change that much. Someone asked me about my opinion on the Sn0_Man lynch, I personally think it's a mislynch. The flaws in his play are that he hasn't been very committal nor active at scumhunting, but the way he responds to pressure and says his opinions make me think he's town. As well as the fact that even though he is on my wagon, he doesn't seem to be very content with it. (Of course a townie has to put his vote somewhere, and scum pushed me up well enough to not leave many other options.) It seems like players haven't even considered other options properly. Someone suggested I should die, painted me to look a little worse than what I really am due to my lack of activity, and boom, case closed. Train full speed ahead. Gonna post all my reads now since I'm not very positive about myself surviving. Even though I am a main character, I don't consider my role extremely powerful, so maybe a worse mislynch may get prevented if anything. Since time is short, this is a straight copypaste from my notepad file. This is up to date to my first post only (page 42-ish), but holds very true. + Show Spoiler + Hogwarts Mafia Player list by house: ******************* Gryffindor: ******************* 1. Cephiro - Towniest Town Alive Give coin to Toad 3. Pandain - Probably Town 5. VayneAuthority (Ginny Weasley?) - Bad start in thread. Puts time into setup speculation. Fishes for reaction from yamato, tbh I like. Plays too ignorantly. 6. raynpelikonoshi - Pushes at start for bad reasons. Ugh. Why not push if you could? Too wishywashy. Makes me look bad on purpose. 18. Stutters695 - Null/Lurk 20. justanothertownie - super null ******************** Slytherin: Active QT ******************** 2. Sn0_Man - Good points. Sharp. Fluff. 7. EchelonTee - Wants to hear from Mattchew, good pickup. Good points. Shares his house, late in the game. Valid points. Defends himself properly. 12. I-be-Pro - Seems ok, good points. Pro-town. Setup speculation. Thinks his role is anti-town. 14. Skanjab1s - Suspicious question in QT, good logic but false example. Ambigious answers. Defends rayko after pressured by him. Tries hard. Crap. Not useful. wants to fill? Seems like he gets helped by scumbuddies. 16. Blazinghand 19. Mocsta - Self-aware Miller claim. Seems like town. Would fit within theme. (Good guy Slytherin looks bad because Slytherin?) Plays pro-town. Coin? ********************* Hufflepuff: G+2H lots of discussion in topic instead of QT.. good thing? ********************* 4. Grackaroni - Suspicious about his own house. Town w/ hopeless? Wants to stay under the radar. Town blue? Too easy townread on yamato. 8. Mattchew - Almost insta-jump on miller claim, nothing else. Weird.. Random jump to talk with yamato, nothing else. Weirder.. Just like really bad. Addresses all points made on him, but poorly. 11. Palmar - Jumps in to question Mocsta claim, nothing else. Sticks to that. Nothing else. EXTREMELY useless. Too focused on claim. 21. Hopeless1der - A bit more careful in the G+2H discussion. Town? Interesting ability speculation. Reasonable in his opinions. Coin? Maybe not very tricky? 22. Holyflare - Seemingly ok attitude about QT, weird defense on Skanjab1s Very concentrated on Grack/Hopeless about not competing. A bit too trigger-happy? Interesting opinion about not caring about what scum does? 23. StorrZerg - Asked about how much mafia in where. Same as Skanjab1s Seems to be chiming in for irrelevant stuff. Random Sn0_Man accusation. ********************* Ravenclaw: ********************* 9. Onegu - Useless, too many sorries or truly busy? 10. LoneMeow - 13. syllogism - Setup post that he claims useless, doesn't make much sense. Points things out favourably for his opinion. (Ignores StorrZerg comment.) Good points when it doesn't hurt mafia play. 15. supersoft - generally good vibe 17. LastArgument - Valid point, I like. Coin? 24. yamato77 - Just bad, shares information related to activity only. Filler activity. Does, doesn't. Notices Matt's buddying attempt, good. Wants himself to be analysed. Not pro-mafia. + Show Spoiler + REDACTED Suggestions(Townreads): LastArgument Hopeless1der Mocsta EchelonTee Pandain I-be-Pro Scum: StorrZerg Mattchew Maybe?: rayko holyflare syllo Palmar VayneAuthority skanjab1s The first one to get his vote off Cephiro is sn0man. On October 19 2013 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Stutters Apologies for not giving stutter's full name but it wasn't in the post count and i'm lazy There is NOTHING in the thread to explain this change and he moves to one of his "scumreads". Snowman has no reads this game but decided to go off Cephiro as first, not pushing an or his alternative. Hmm. I don't really like it. On October 19 2013 04:33 Sn0_Man wrote: What is this coin stuff (I assume it has to do with your role?) Second to get his vote off Cephiro am I. I had to leave for soccer in 9 minutes and felt like StorrZerg was the better lynch On October 19 2013 04:41 raynpelikonoshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: StorrZerg He and Mattchew are actually people I don't really like. I am liking Cephiro now. But only because of those notes. Cephiro: 1 fucking post is not enough, stop whining about we metaing you when it is the only thing we have when you decide to bitch and whine 24/7 and make 1 good post in 47 hours. With 15 minutes to go we get following votes: On October 19 2013 04:45 Hopeless1der wrote: deal with palmar tomorrow please. especially if he's going to get himself modkilled, but I'd rather give him a chance to try instead of last-minute hammering him. I also dislike mocsta insisting we lynch the guy who has been replaced, but I guess thats just me. ##Unvote Will end up on Stutters On October 19 2013 04:46 I-be-Pro wrote: ##unvote ##vote palmar That notesheet doesn't fit the reason we're lynching Ceph for. On October 19 2013 04:47 Cephiro wrote: ##vote Palmar reason: On October 19 2013 04:45 Cephiro wrote: I prefer Mattchew as my first lynch option, but to avoid myself from dying I will vote for anyone but myself that is about to gain votes. (I only know myself to be town, so from my perspective lynching anyone else than me > lynching me.) and afterwards when mattchew gets traction: On October 19 2013 04:51 Cephiro wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Mattchew Holyflare makes a case on Mattchew in the thread and votes accordingly: On October 19 2013 04:48 Holyflare wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew People sheep: On October 19 2013 04:49 Mocsta wrote: ##Vote: MAttchew On October 19 2013 04:50 Onegu wrote: ##VOTE MATTCHEW On October 19 2013 04:51 Cephiro wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Mattchew Now 8 fucking minutes before deadline it gets interesting. Remember kids: There was not much time left and Holyflare might have forced scum to show face with his case Mocsta moves off Mattchew AFTER 2 more people vote Mattchew and withing 3 minutes after his previous vote!!!!! On October 19 2013 04:52 Mocsta wrote: ##unvote ##vote: blazinghand And look at this. Cephiro his first vote and preffered lynch target was Mattchew. Guess what suddenly happens: On October 19 2013 04:54 Cephiro wrote: ##unvote ##vote Palmar This is not to save himself like Cephiro first used as reason to vote Palmar. This looks like trying to save Mattchew. The guy HE WANTS TO LYNCH. This happens 4 minutes after he votes for his favorite lynch of the day.... On October 19 2013 04:54 LastArgument wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar Joins the Palmar lynch. Reason: On October 19 2013 04:54 LastArgument wrote: I'm going back on what I said earlier about Palmar and voting to lynch him. Plus I like to sheep syllogism. Cephiro, if you're pulling this bullshit as mafia, I'll be distinctly unimpressed, and you will not be allowed to skirt by not contributing during the next cycle. Would prefer to kill Palmar than Mattchew, we're not losing an asset in Palmar if he's not willing to play, and I don't like the fact that Palmar is avoiding syllogism ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar The fact that LastArgument states that he is going against his earlier read is towny imo. Also, his town read on syllo was correct. On October 19 2013 04:55 justanothertownie wrote: More towny players on Palmar than there are on Mattchew. ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar Look at the indecision of JAT On October 19 2013 04:53 justanothertownie wrote: ##unvote On October 19 2013 04:44 justanothertownie wrote: I would switch to palmar. On October 19 2013 04:50 justanothertownie wrote: I could do mattchew. I really did not like his defense of palmar and stutters. On October 19 2013 04:55 justanothertownie wrote: More towny players on Palmar than there are on Mattchew. ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar Now because I think that Mattchew is scum I am really disliking JAT atm. See, I don't like Mocsta at all anymore. He goes from Mattchew which was in his eyes a good lynch --> Too Blazinghands because he is certain about Zaragon ---> PALMAR??????? Then there are these guys: On October 19 2013 04:57 Sn0_Man wrote: ##unvote ##vote Palmar Only because stutters wont fly.  Mehhh. On October 19 2013 04:58 StorrZerg wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Palmar Ninjavote This is what Mattchew was doing during the vote race: NOTHING This is what he said when it was (almost) done: On October 19 2013 04:57 Mattchew wrote: wait what the fuck is going on Conclusion If Mattchew is scum I would take serious looks at Cephiro, JAT and Mocsta. Storrzerg ninjavote was terrible. I feel him as scum. Stutters played it all alone and I do NOT feel him as scum because of that. Snowman voting patters was terrible. Him going after Stutters for 48 hours is looking bad now. I have no other conclusions to make out of the vote race. Maybe others see things I missed. I do think this sums everything up nicely. So my current scumlist, or at least the list in which I would like to see somebody die: Mocsta Storrzerg Mattchew Cephiro JAT So can I ask a vigshot on Mattchew | ||
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