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Does anyone have a clue what the hell is BH doing? | ||
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On October 03 2013 02:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Read the thread and find out, do not post until you're caught up. Thanks. I am caught up, i am not posting if i am not caught up. Hey Blazinghand. Why exactly are you voting for Oats? I have read like 20 different reasoning for your vote and every time it's different. Like at least three time you say "it's not RNG", then "and also RNG", then "not RNG". I have a hard time figuring out why do you exactly think Oats is scum. | ||
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On October 03 2013 02:53 Clarity_nl wrote: Actually it goes: 1) Let's vote whoever gets rng'd by my post number! 2) it's oats, let's lynch him, my idea is good because X 3) oh look his reaction to my random lynch on him makes him look scummy to me, so we should lynch him It's really not that hard to follow. Yeah but he also gives policy reasons and all kinds of shit besides that, and brings up the RNG reasoning too later on. | ||
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On October 02 2013 15:09 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah basically I'm mad at him so we should lynch him. Then he won't make me mad in future games cause I can basically lynch players on a whim due to my great influence. This is actually an okay reason imo because it will make him play good and not like oats. Also RNG. Like, for example, this is probably the worst post in this game. | ||
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I'll look into Dirkzor, gimme a sec. | ||
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Dirkzor if you base your early day 1 reads on feels, why did you say somthing completely different in your post where you voted for HF? If it's a gut read why frame it to something else? | ||
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On October 03 2013 03:31 Clarity_nl wrote: No seriously. Details would be nice. What is analyzing stuff in an "oats manner" and how is it different from this game? Quote the post where he is over analyzing. It's nothing specific in any specific post. He is using a lot of words, that's something he usually does not do. His posts are usually short and i would have expected him to not fight with BH as he did. I would have expected him to say "whatever man, you're scum or retarded for doing this shit" or something. | ||
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I didn't reword anything, I asked BH a question because (as rayn pointed out just now) BH was being unclear as to why his vote was on oats. It was rng then it was reasons then it was rng again. Wait what Clarity. why did you clarify BH's actions to me if you are not sure what he was doing? | ||
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I am not confused. | ||
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Everything else has been said pretty much so no need to repeat it. | ||
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On October 03 2013 05:15 Blazinghand wrote: Is there something about my scumread on oats that you don't understand? I'd be glad to explain and expand. No there isn't. You use many words and your posts are for some reason hard to understand to me, so i need to read them over and over again. I am going to go through the interaction with you and Oats again to see what i think about it. | ||
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On October 03 2013 05:17 marvellosity wrote: It's not like you for me to not understand where you're going and have to prod you, dear. what does this mean? | ||
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I have now read the BH/Oats interaction for 2 times and i still don't know what to make out of it. Guess i know after one more time. | ||
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My activity is not alignment indicative. I know i have not done much, because i have not had time to do stuff. That doesn't make me scum. BH's RNG bullshit (which i am going to go into next) has taken basically all my time in this game. I can't let go of something i don't understand, and everything else has been easily understandable in this game. Also BH saying i have been here is wrong. It's just wrong, because it is not true. I have been here when i have been posting, when i have not been posting i have not been here. Then the RNG bullshit: First of all, how this shit started. In his first posts BH proposes Oats RNG lynch. Guess what. After this it's not a random lynch any more. It's "lynch Oatsmaster who Blazinghand randomized". I can't believe that shit went on and on for pages and i can't believe BH really somehow got a scumread on Oats for it. Oats was being totally reasonable in my opinion, called out bad stuff (HF's post and BH's behaviour). There was nothing wrong with it. Yet Blazinghand kept going on and on with that. So what do we have here: Blazinghand: Proposing random lynch the way he did is bad. Could town!BH do it? Probably yes. Would town!BH go on with it and then call Oats scum for flimsy reasons? I have no fucking idea. I especially didn't like his response to Oats when Oats said "i do this all the time as town and never as scum". I even pointed out the post by BH earlier on in thread. That to me seems like "even if people come and say this is what Oats does as town i still have my reasons to lynch him". Being bad =/= being scum. Also Oats was not being bad, he was being reasonable. Oats: Comes out looking best from that shitfest. HolyFlare: That's not a randomlynch for him. It's not, there is no reason to vote for Oats because it's random. No. Risen: His comments were reasonable and his vote was perfectly fine. As for my reads (from towniest to scummiest): marv: This is the marv i like. He's taken the leader position in town and is doing a good job. Pointing out stuff that's bad and having clear stances on things. I would still love to hear his read on BH (i mean, a read with reasoning), because i have not seen much of content from BH. Risen: I liked his stance on the RNG thingy. I liked his vote on HolyFlare. I dunno why he unvoted HF, could you explain that Risen? I liked some things in his case on Clarity, and the case itself to me tells much more about Risen than it tells about Clarity. It mirrors the mindset Risen had in GoT, almost perfectly. There is a lot of stuff he looks form different angle than anyone else. Oatsmaster: Seems like towny!Oats to me. I found his posting during the RNG shitfest weird, as i pointed out before. But all in all he's having a clear thought process and putting his thoughts out there when pressured (marv -- Oats a while ago). If Oats was scum it would be easy to hide behind his playstyle (where he just calls people scum or town and never explains anything for real), this game he needs to be made explain his thoughts, and so far he has succeeded. Clarity: Clarity looked good early on in the game. I can see where he is coming from with his comment on BH being a cool guy (although i don't agree with it - gamewise :p). Clarity now that i have actually understood the early game could you tell me what was good in the RNG discussion? Yes it did produce content, but imo it did produce content that was based on false premises. After this Clarity asks a lot of questions and does not provide conclusions. I can somehow see what he concludes but still, he's not explaining it. I don't like his stance on BH, i like his case on Dirk. HolyFlare: I don't like his vote still being on Oats. Afaik i understand it's because of RNG, which is not in fact rng for him. Other than that he has made some good observations, then nothing. BlazingHand: This guy is pretty much impossible to read for me. Basically he does whatever he does and to me it feels like all the important stuff he tries to say is hidden in a big pile of words. I don't know where his head is at (besides him voting for me, but that's another thing). I don't know why he finds Risen/HF scummy, and his reasons for Oats being scummy are bad. As for now, he apparently doesn't like anyone besides marv... Sloosh: Scummy. I don't understand his townread on Dirk. Says he will get to Risen & HF when he has time. Never follows that up. Then votes for Clarity with his -- apparenly -- scumread Risen. Dirkzor: Horrible opening post. Horrible follow up. Then he says he wants to lynch me or Sloosh, i don't see any reasons from him. When the thread sentiment turns into "Sloosh looks bad" (Clarity voting for him etc.), THEN he places his vote on Sloosh. Best lynch. ##Vote: Dirkzor | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:10 Clarity_nl wrote: That super townread on risen though. rayn how do you feel about risen's defeatist attitude shortly after posting his case? It's weird, but coming from Risen, that's what he does. What do you find scummy in it? Like, is it more likely to come from scum "oh no, i made a bad case, when people do not comment on it i instantly go emo". Do you think Risen would do that as scum? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:17 Oatsmaster wrote: BH's vote is still on me, which is a good thing for him And btw BH's vote is on me.. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:20 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm pretty sure he just did nothing at all at any point until he pushed OO (scum) hard when he decided to win with town. He was more of a survivor role though and he didn't have to do anything, scum was already winning. Don't think there's much of a comparison. Really? This is wrong. Have you even read his filter from that game? In Aperture Risen is actually really coherant and explains himself very well. I think this is something you should know as you were scum and you guys decided to even shoot him for some reason. Why did you shoot him in Aperture? | ||
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Does anyone know from which game was that? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:32 marvellosity wrote: It's not a cheap shot, it's true. You're always a possible mislynch and mafia don't have to push you because you're scummy enough that town will push you on their behalf. That's just fact. rayn, my dear. I think we both know that a decent way of reading your alignment is how you go after your targets and how confrontational and aggressive you are. Even if I take your busyness claim at face value, how do you imagine I or other people in the game go about getting a townread on you, should you be town? I am not imagining anything. I am trying to contribute right here right now and it should help you guys figuring out my alignment and vice versa. I am not expecting anything other than you judging me by what i post rather than what/when i don't post. Simple. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:32 marvellosity wrote: You said it yourself rayn - in minis (and by gad this is a mini) you like to get your reads by getting in people's faces and interacting with people. Yet there's been very little of that this game. DoyouseewhatI'msaying? Yes i see that, and that's what i am trying to do. I was trying to do that with BH yesterday, but for some reason he is impossible to talk to. :D | ||
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Dirkzor, Risen, Sloosh, Rayn and Oats (clarity has been mentioned too) should be eliminated 1 by 1 in terms of rating of their overall posting to determine who is the optimal lynch for day 1 and ultimately who will be most useful in an endgame lylo scenario. Why would you say this? Also why did you hide your vote on Oats behind RNG as it was not RNG for you? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:43 Holyflare wrote: I did not hide it on Oats, I've explained this countless times. I do not know anyone here, so I would rather sit on an RNG determined vote, barring anything obviously striking. Which it turns out has happened and now I've switched my vote. Do you understand when Blazinghand says "RNG = Oats" it's no more a random lynch. It's a lynch on Oats that Blazinghand randomized? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:45 Holyflare wrote: Also, as it progressed I kept it on oats because his play was tunneled and did not bother with questioning other people. So what did you expect Oats to do when people in thread were you, BH and him (and to some extent Risen)? How was his play tunneled? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok HF is like confirmed town. Cool shit. Rayn, it is a random lynch. No it's not. It is not. If you know the target before you say if you agree/not with a random lynch it's no more a random lynch. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:48 Holyflare wrote: Have you read this shit? I've made at least 1-2 cases on oats that explained all this. You aren't helping my view of you. Your cases were bad. Now, again, how was Oats' play tunneled and what he should have done instead of trying to figure out people's alignment that were actually posting at that time? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:49 Holyflare wrote: Oh, now I know where you're coming from. While, yes, that makes sense for other people. However, since I do not know anybody here it is in fact random for me. If you are scum and Oats is town you can safely agree with the randomizing. If you are both scum you can either agree with it or disagree, randomlynch was never gonna go through. It was a stupid suggestion in the first place. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:49 marvellosity wrote: I was about to tell you you're being silly, then I suddenly understood what you meant. The fact that I was confused for a moment suggests to me that there isn't that much to be made of the point, though. Now do you think Blazinghand is stupid enough to not know this in the first place? As he proposed the shit. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:50 Holyflare wrote: Then you've read jack shit. My case before all these things said things similar to all this. Please don't insult things you haven't been bothered to actually read. On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote: Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum? Oats saying "stop posting long posts" is not alignment indicative. Oats gave his thoughts on you/BH/Risen during the rng shit. So the rest of your post is incorrect. There was nothing else to figure out at that time. On October 02 2013 14:08 Holyflare wrote: The fact you can't just click my profile (you can even see my post count??) and see that I've only been in newbie games is just more testament to your alignment. Shouldn't you be discerning these answers before you know that "He's surely scum".? If you do something scummy people think you are scum. What's wrong with that regardless if you are noob or not? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:53 marvellosity wrote: I don't think that much of it. It *is* a conversation starter, and what was the agenda? Random lynches never go through. Generally I find random lynch stuff really null, because I never really get any decent reads out of either the proposer or the followers. You know, to me it did not look like a conversation starter. BH never said it was, at least before someone else (Clarity) said so. To me it looked more like "let's gun for Oats as he was randomed" and then BH developed a shit read on Oats. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:56 Holyflare wrote: My post explains why I don't think oats is scummy anymore, my vote isn't even on him anymore. There are far more scummy people to look at. Why are we still talking about oats? lol. Because you voted for him with shitty reasons. And because you defended your shitty cases on him. I am not talking about Oats here, i am talking about you. Why are you turning this into "talking about Oats" when it's clearly not what it is? | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:00 marvellosity wrote: Same difference imo. A game I have in mind while thinking about this is Rockband. BH effectively fabricated a case on prplhz right out the gate, together with weird meta arguments, and it was all ridiculously much. It got the game going (even though the case was a total stretch) and BH was town. Yeah i know what you are saying. I am not arguing about if it started conversation or not, as it did, and it has produced a lot of content. My main point is that during the argument both BH and HF attacked Oats for reasons i think are shit. | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:01 marvellosity wrote: rayn, why are you going after Holy now when you've shown no incliniation to go after him before he came back to the thread? I don't understand. Because i tend to interact with people who are in thread. I'm impatient to wait for answers for hours, i have a train of thought and i want to disclose it with quick back and forth discussion. That's what i always do. | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:04 Holyflare wrote: I posted something that people jumped on, I explained why, no matter how I explained things he didn't post anything other than "i know he's scum", what's more to add, this was all in the first few hours of the game. So much has happened since then. There are people on your list that are scummy for things they have done that you are not discussing and you are picking up on something that happened in the first 6 hours. I am picking it up because you are here, Sloosh, Dirk, etc are not. They are things that bother me in you. I don't see what's wrong in this? Also could you answer my question in my last post? | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:04 marvellosity wrote: Maybe, but you still showed absolutely no issue with Holy's previous posting before this, and now suddenly it's a massive issue. I'm not understanding the two together. Did you even read my post when i got here today? I explain my issues with HF in that post, which is exactly what i am talking about now.. | ||
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Why do you feel like i am talking about Oats when i am clearly not? Also do you think your case on him was good or not? | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:24 Dirkzor wrote: @oats: Try reading. It helps. @marv: Because his filter does feel clean. Some parts of it still does. It is not something where I can say "Look here what he wrote. Thats stupid. He is scum." It's more the general direction of his filter or how he makes me feel when reading. And I feel like he is trying to portray something that isn't I pointed out here again: Thats what it is... Wait what? Are you saying Holyflare is scum but he is not the best lynch today? Why? | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:39 Holyflare wrote: Was making lunch. Talking about me talking about oats is what I'm implying. If only me, bh, risen and oats were talking at the start of the game and a person says that you are scum no matter what you say then they are stifling the discussion so yes, the points I made make sense and that is why I kept my vote on him further. He later dropped it and pursued other avenues of thought and thus, like I said, i removed my vote on him. Okay so you basically OMGUSed Oats based on his vote on you, and when he dropped it, you dropped your vote on him right? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:38 Holyflare wrote: .... Oats He starts out with his vote on me, convinced I am scum etc etc. He has the whole debacle with BH in which nothing really happens, he defend the fact that his vote is still on me, however, does not try and question it or contemplate that anyone else could be scum. I attribute this to the fact that it was early on in the game and there was no total alternative but it still seemed a bit tunnely to me (Which he actually addressed later on when he unvoted). + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote: All those words. That dont mean anything. I meant saying that someone is stifling discussion is what scum always like to do. Everyone else thinks that you are scummy. Therefore I cant do anything more to convince people at this point of time. COME ON HOLYFLARE. STOP POSTING LONG POSTS. NOT GOOD. You and BH are probably not on the same scumteam but I have a way more sure read on you than on BH. BH, is Holyflare a noob or not? He tells me to stop posting long posts, and that the points had no merit but then unvoted me after he re-read the next day. Which I also like about him. He's not afraid to admit that he was wrong and tunnel visioned. He's posted a lot of bs about how people can be scum if someone else is scum which seemed a bit like he was foreshadowing future events ie. + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Ok so another reason why I think HF is town. If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town. If marv is town, marv is probably right. So both ways, HF is town I think. I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way. I think Oats is making points about people that were original (ie. risen, although they work both ways) and he has stuck to Dirkzor, which I think was good seeing as people seemingly dismissed everything about him. I honestly think a lynch on oats would be a bad thing at this current point in time. I know my vote was/is on him but that was because I had been called out urgently yesterday and I apologise. Later on he says he unvoted Oats because of his detunnel and because it is reasonable. Okay, this is cool and everything, except for: On October 02 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote: I read/detunneled. ##vote Dirkzor also sheeping marv is cool. On October 03 2013 01:18 Holyflare wrote: .... As for oats, That's ridiculous wifom and adds nothing to the entire topic. I don't like it one bit. Especially coupled with, + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 13:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont understand how you equate having a extreme stance on someone from their first post = scummy. Both me and Risen explained reasons to think that Holyflare is scum and you seem to think that Holyflare is scummy too. WHAT THE FUCK IS THERE TO CONVINCE YOU ABOUT ?? ? ? ?? ? I dont know if you are bad or if you are scum BH. Dirkzor had "an extreme stance on a first post" but it's ok to vote him now for it? Especially as you now say: If you agree with Marv on his vote, why is it such a factor to you that someone else agrees with it so openly? At least he has put forth reasoning into his voting, even if it is similar to marvs. Yours just straight up changed until you were pressured to post why you switched and even then you haven't told us why you are voting dirk? This can't be a reason for his unvote, because he does not unvote before now. He even quotes Oats' post where Oats "detunnels", and does not say it's good or anything. He only says it later on, when the thread sentiment is not in favor of lynching Oats anymore! Also his reasons for voting for Oats are bad in the first place. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Holyflare | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:50 Clarity_nl wrote: Why does it feel like this cycle has been so unproductive? I don't understand this whole rayn/holyflare thing. rayn, hasn't holyflare voted for sloosh, who you described as scummy? What does Holyflare voting for Sloosh have to do with anything? | ||
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On October 03 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote: rayn, just to clarify - you think Holyflare is mafia because 1) at the time that Oats unvoted, Holyflare thought it was a crock of shit 2) later on, Holyflare said he liked the fact that Oats unvoted? That's the meat of it, right? Yes. + the fact that his reasons for voting for Oats in the first place do not add up. He voted for Oats because of rng, then started finding reasons for Oats being scum. The reasons are bad and do not make Oats scum. + the fact that "hey this is how we find D1 lynch" is bullshit. + the fact that when i questioned him, he was trying to paint the discussion stupid "because why discuss Oats" when i am cleraly not discussing Oats. | ||
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On October 03 2013 23:20 Dirkzor wrote: Yeah it does... Was in a hurry :D The point was that the post was big when it wasn't supposed to be. Why not write why he think sloosh is scummy and vote him. Maybe add tidbits of other things he think is worth noticing. Instead he makes recaps and adds bits about 5 people he finds scummy. Thats a bit much. Maybe I have it stuck in my head now to read everything he writes as if he was scum but it just seems like a posting style that scum prefer because it makes them seem productive. What's different about Holyflare's post in comparsion to mine? Do you find him more scummy than me? | ||
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On October 03 2013 23:35 Dirkzor wrote: Yours is equally bad for the same reasons but you don't have the history of making your posting get that towny feel. Also your post include no recaps. They just state. There is nothing in your post that make me believe you are more town now then before the post. I'm interested in your beef with HF, because somehow I think it is a reach. So my post is equally bad for same reasons but the reasons are different? How does that make sense? And how is my case reaching? | ||
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On October 03 2013 23:48 Dirkzor wrote: Actually the more I think about it the scummier your post gets. You get called out for inactivity and not producing. Of course you claim this is not alignment indicative but then you start producing like a maniac. First of after spending some 24 hours in the RNG BH thing your conclusion is rather weak. You then proceed to jump on a minor (imo) thing about HF. Of those 3 bullets I only really think number 1 is worth noting. What's minor about HF giving a reason for his Oats unvote that holds no water? What's wrong with the point #3? I can see that #2 can come from a townie aswell, but leaning mafia, because more likely. | ||
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On October 03 2013 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote: He never calls oats' detunnel bad though. He quoted that post because it showed that oats was sheeping you, which he thought was a crock of shit because he called you null. @rayn Yes, he ignores oats unvoting him. Then later he says he liked it. Please explain what is scummy Because if he likes it he should have unvoted at that time? He said later on, that it was the main reason for him to keep his vote on Oats (Oats voting for him), and he said it was one of the main reasons for him to unvote him. That didn't look like it when he first brought Oats' unvote up. | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:07 Holyflare wrote: Yes, he's wasted 7 pages on me discussing a vote on oats instead of addressing what other people have been talking about. I make a post and he deviates to asking me about the early game. Why? I'm not sure. He starts off by not saying anything and then contrary to his previous game cases he has made a post that lists his thoughts on people rather than actual cases. His case he made on me was indicative of someone who did not read around the posts he was making a case on and has deflected from discussion that I think would have been more appropriate especially concerning the thread sentiment at the moment. Scummy? I'm not sure. Confirmation biased. Yes. Let's debunk a lie here. My one of the first posts in Titanic: + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - Has about 25% of the posts in this game. When Oats posts shitton he is town. Is also making sense. Vivax - Has good posts and trying to figre out stuff. On the other hand i feel like something is not right here. I have no idea what it is but i think Vivax is worth looking more closely into. Clarity_nl - Definitely yown. I like his thought process on like everything. Is pushing his reads and doing that hard. IMCaptainJackSparrow - Town, pretty sure of it. His exchange with exarezee was interesting and he came out of it much better looking. I think he should let Oats go and find a mafia target instead. It's not so hard to see Oats is town. Paperscraps - Posting feel genuine and he had good points until his last post. This one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=26#501 , where he says he should not explain why his read on Oats is what it is. That to me seems like he has a read on Oats that he is not able to explain. Bad. Malongo - Purely based on his first post and my experience with him in other games. VayneAuthority - I think Vayne's posting implies he is town. I don't like him not giving out his reads if he thinks someone is mafia, but that's how he rolls on D1 as town. Definitely not worth lynching. Stutters695 - I really liked Stutters' post about Vivax early on. I dunno what makes him think CJS is mafia, and i'm waiting on his case on paperscraps. hzflank - I had a big big red read on hzflank before this: "I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum." That basically proves that hzflank is town, that is so incredibly genuine. Koshi - Says people should not pressure FT, wrong. People who are scummy should be pressured. His vote on hzflank is horrible, it's clear that he doesn't even think the dude is scum. Other than that he has not done anything that can be considered scumhunting. FirmTofu - Early on says that "we should talk about the game instead of general bullshit", which he has been talking about in his every post before that. Later on he corrects himself that he was talking about RPing, gifs etc. That's as useless as lurker-lynch talk. tsk tsk. CJS posts btw are totally not fluff, they were at time amongst the best in the game. His stance on JAT is fucking weird and his exarezee case accuses him for same things he says about JAT. He is throwing shit left and right but not trying to figure out who are scum with exarezee, who is he voting at. He is not questioning him at all but soft-accusing other people. justanothertownie - I don't think he has said anything useful. His vote on Paper is pretty shitty because paper has at least expressed some reads, which JAT has not done at all. Only thing he has done is to get into a shitfest with Oats, which is not useful thing to do for a townie. exarezee - He has posted a fuckton and he is new. I don't think there is a chance that he is mafia based purely on that. The cases / votes on him are shit, none of those reasons make him mafia. Vivax, who do you actually think is mafia? Where is your head at. I was assuming you to take a town leading status and drive the discussion into important matters. You are staying in the sidelines and not doing much. Why is that? Koshi, all you have done is posted useless lists. Who do you think is scum and why? What is your stance on FirmTofu? Do you still think he is town? FirmTofu, wanna lynch Koshi? Or can you give me reasons to not lynch him? Stutters, you wanna make that case on Paper? ##Vote: FirmTofu Definitely scummiest person so far. His case on exarezee is bad. All the points on him are assumptions that cannot be defended against other than "no, you are wrong". There is no concrete evidence. Then he calls him wishy-washy as exarezee does not have a clear stance on someone. Look at what he says about JAT after that. "I can move my vote on him if you make a good enough case". Right... | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn tunnels really stupidly as town probably more often than as scum or he doesnt do it as scum at all. That's not true btw. | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:22 Holyflare wrote: I can't read past 10 pages of your posts so I can't read it all so I just went on posts by BH who seemed to know. Either way, it's impossible for us to know whether you are capable of posting or not unless you specifically state that?? Also, my points still stand, we're not on the topic of finding actual scum STILL. What? If BH says something about me you straight up believe it? Why is that? | ||
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Holyflare: For what i said. Dirkzor: To me it seems like he is really wishy-washy about everything everytime he posts. Only when he is "pushed into some direction" he makes some conclusions. I dunno which is worse? | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:29 Blazinghand wrote: I'm still catching up on the thread, i haven't read everything yet. HOW CONVENIENT that you're leaving now! So. Why the sudden activity burst? Is your only excuse for posting tons of crappy oneliners that you somehow couldn't post? How were you planning to help town for the first 3/4 of D1 with your level of activity? Why shouldn't I lynch you? I am fucking sorry i have some other things to do than be here. I was planning on trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and why. It was hard because of you. Because i am town. | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:33 Blazinghand wrote: this is like kinda literally not true given that I've posted and quoted a game (link) (link) in which although you do some back and forth, you're writing big cases as well. Big posts. serious reads. strong plays up front. Plays like this: + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: While Vayne made a personal choice not to mason, you seem to be directing people to avoid using it. Do you have an inherent motivation to discourage people from masoning? A discussion in "PM land" doesn't prevent discussions from happening in thread. I can't see why you would recommend people not to mason at all. I actually second this. Sloosh answer. This is really stupid, everyone should mason. There is no reason not to. Why do you think there is? ##Vote: slOosh As for Hapa's questions: + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 13:17 Hapahauli wrote: Hey all! Regarding PM usage, I think a very good early use of PM's is to try and establish the alignment of someone you know very well. For instance, I already used my first mason on Yamato77, who I'm very adept at reading and is a pretty good town player. Through these efforts I will slowly build a scum-hunting circle of awesomeness. I'll admit I'm a tad worried about the post-count restriction and our ability to jumpstart Day 1 reliably, especially if spammy players are concerned about the post-limit. As a result, perhaps a good 'ol fashioned questionnaire might be best to kick things off! 1) What are your views on PM usage? How and when should they be used? 2) Are there any policy lynches around the posting-limit we should consider? (i.e. if someone doesn't use all their posts, they get lynched, etc) 3) Who are players you feel you can read very well and reliably in this game? 1) To find scum. Not going to be more specific, but i want to know why are you so eager to know this from all the players? 2) No, lurkers should be vigged asap. If someone wastes their posts on bullshit we lynch them. 3) Oats. Vayne. Both town. DrH, please if you are town. Do not waste your posts arguing with Vayne. His argument is more likely to come from a townie than from mafia, and you are just wasting posts into that. Vayne will prove his alignment later for sure, but he is probably town. FirmTofu, What was the purpose of your first post? You yourself said "it should not be considered alignment indicative", and basically everything you said i disagree with, or the statements / "advice" is obvious. Why would you make a post that does not help us finding scum or figuring out your alignment? VE, explain your vote on DrH, how does that make him scum? Do you think he is intentionally wasting his posts? Malongo, yes i'm a Finn. Now do something that finds us mafia? On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange? On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange?[/QUOTE] With back-and-forth, serious on-topic pushes, clarification, and a clear delineation of reads. That's not what you've been doing until now, as the deadline approaches, after I laid smackdown on you. How is this not scum rayne? How can anyone look at your town play, and look at this game, and say "oh this is some not seen before variation on town rayne"[/QUOTE] BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN HERE½!!! 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On October 04 2013 00:33 marvellosity wrote: rayn, I think whatever you've found, you haven't found. The reason I was struggling so much with HF is that I generally found him reasonably townie, but I thought what you pointed out had merit. All his explanations make sense to me now though and he's stuck around and defended himself and pushed his ideas. Added to this, the fact that in some ways he didn't "get" the suspicions to me is a bit of a towntell. Yes i can see that. I am voting for Dirkzor because of what i said before. | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:37 Blazinghand wrote: In response to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19898621 Except for the fact that you've been literally making posts this whole time. (also, dat listpost. rofl.) wtf are you trying to say. I am not following you. You ask me "why am i not posting in the first 3/4 of the day". I told you why. What's this shit BH? | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:42 Blazinghand wrote: I'm not asking why you haven't posted, I'm asking why you haven't posted content. You've clearly been in and out of the thread. IRL is no excuse. Your cases, such as they are, are bad: first case, after I call you out: (link) this isn't even a case. this is a worthless list post. What is this? How is this useful? Like, sure, you give lots of reads, but most of what you write is about how my RNG is bad, then you say dirk is scummire and BH is unreadable, but BH is also you third bust scumread, and you vote dirk without a lot of explanation. You r next case (link) is on holyflare who you considered less scummy than both me and sloosh (?) but are still willing to vote over us and dirk (though this case, albeit nonsensical, seems internally consistent), then you move back to dirk without a lot of explanation (link) and honestly it just looks like you're throwing crap at the wall and seeing what will stick. I made a case on Holyflare. I realize i may be wrong on him. I made a case on Dirkzor. The case is this: When Dirkzor contributes, his contributions are bad. He gets called out of them, and he needs to be "helped" in which direction to look for in what he is saying. Basically he has been given the "correct answers" for the questions he has been asked, and only after that he says something that pleases people. His "own, genuine contributions" are full of shit, and that's why i think he is scum. | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:52 Dirkzor wrote: How come you changed your opinion on me between your listpost and now? Why doesn't your "recap" post of the scummynes of me and Holy not include your initial points regarding me? I think I'm with BH that you are throwing shit and seeing what sticks. I didn't on Holy so you go back to me without really explaining, but now with new points as to why. Waht i say in my listpost and that post is 100% the same. | ||
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Clarity/marv/BH? When Dirkzor contributes, his contributions are bad. He gets called out of them, and he needs to be "helped" in which direction to look for in what he is saying. Basically he has been given the "correct answers" for the questions he has been asked, and only after that he says something that pleases people. His "own, genuine contributions" are full of shit, and that's why i think he is scum. | ||
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I personally dislike meta on people i have never played before, and i do not think Dirkzor has done anything in this game. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:07 Dirkzor wrote: Dispite the fact that they aren't you are also wrong. It's clear here Link and here link why I regard you and sloosh scummy. I changed my mind about the HF thing and maybe thats why you are calling me wishy-washy. Other then that I don't see it. So please point where?! Regarding the timestamp on my vote on Sloosh. I don't see that as anything that can point to my alignment. I was waiting for him to answer and he never did. I was leaving for work. I left my vote so he would respond when he could (which he haven't yet btw). I am talking about these things: (1) Your vote and backpedalling on HF. (2) Your comments and timing on voting for Sloosh. (3) Your stance on HF's big post and your comments on his post compared to mine when asked by me. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:14 Blazinghand wrote: Man I'm just gonna throw this out there but we don't have a cop or a vigi this game right? How good are you gonna be with that oats read Marv? cause, well, as you, me, rayne, and clarity know, towns have been burned before for letting Oats live to lylo. BH, i can tell Oats' alignment at last on N2. If i die on N1 grill him hard. This is a fact. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:16 Dirkzor wrote: @rayn: 1) I can understand this, but I've explained what happened pretty thoroughly by now. 2) Doesn't mean anything. 3) I dont get it. You both made big posts. I view them differently even though they both make the same mistake because of gamehistory. Could you explain this further? (1) Yeah and i am not sure if i buy it, atm i don't. (2) Yes it does. You say me and Sloosh are scummy. Then when other people go for Sloosh, you go too. (3) Yes, you call out HF for his post. No mention of me. When i ask you about the differences of them, you suddenly go for "oh, you are scummy too". That's fucking fishy. That's what you have been doing the whole game. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:41 Blazinghand wrote: Wait marv you ass Risen hasn't even flipped yet in TL Noir wtf is this yes he has. | ||
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I prefer Dirkzor. Clarity you are bad or scum. I guess my other options are Risen and Sloosh? If i should switch marv tell me now who to switch on. I trust you the most. I don't wanna lynch Risen, i don't wanna lynch Sloosh either.. because they have not been here, and i can't tell what they are gonna say when they come back (if they do). I don't accept Oats or marv as lynch. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:58 Blazinghand wrote: because rayne doesn't want responssbility for his vote Fine i am sticking with my vote. Fuck you too BH. | ||
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I think Dirkzor is mafia. I hope i am gonna be back before the deadline. cya fuckers! | ||
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Kill BH, scum. 100 % | ||
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##vote Sloosh If i am lynched, gg. :E | ||
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nocan do.. :E | ||
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The good thing is nobody ever figures out my scumbuddies from my posts. Like, i had 4 games going on simultaneously. I focused pretty much only on this one when i had time. Then, i have the fewest possible time in months JUST when the game starts. I read BH's rng blabla bullshit for 8 times -- honestly it took me about 5 hours to get anything out of it (after 2 past games i have concluded i will never read BH's posts on D1 again ^_^). Then i have to go out with friends as it has been planned out a week ago. Then i am stupid enough to come to play mafia drunk. Bad rayn, bad. | ||
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You played well and i have no idea why marv had a scumread on you before he died. Totally not your fault, and you were amongst the best townies in this game imo. | ||
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