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On September 30 2013 18:58 marvellosity wrote: I don't know how to meta any of you really Curses it's because true champions have no meta | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:17 marvellosity wrote: I'm gonna lynch all of you. ANTI-HYPE Just adds to the HYPE | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote: Hmm. your newbie game suggests you're going to be unbearable. Policy lynch? :D The last one is not the same as my first 2  | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:11 Blazinghand wrote: 19886995 mod 9 = 1. That's Oatsmaster. ##vote Oatsmaster ##vote Oatsmaster Seems reasonable for now. In the meantime I do not know anyone's playstyles so I do not have an adequate basis for a policy lynch as of yet but that will most probably change after I've dug around into peoples playstyles. For now, does anyone know other people's 'metas'? Do some people play differently when they are scum compared to their town play? I know it may not be glaringly obvious differences but I'd like to know who the weaker people are in this game (guess you can add me to that). | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:16 marvellosity wrote: Not doing anything funny at all. No random lynches or policy lynches, even on Holyflare. Straight up. Why no random lynches? How do you propose we move forward with the day then? | ||
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On October 02 2013 11:55 Risen wrote: Why would you say that? There's so many other reasons you could get behind an rng lynch "rng'd" by someone else (quotes because sure that long explanation sounds random, but couldn't he just find something and guide it to Oats?). Reasonable is not the first thing that springs to mind. And no, "Ho ho! I was merely FAKING my vote old chap!" isn't a good excuse for finding it reasonable. I find it reasonable to vote for you, though. I don't trust people who proclaim themselves as weak, especially in a game titled "World Heavyweight Championship mafia". You saw the name, you knew what you were going for. You didn't feel weak when you signed up, so why do you feel weak now? ##vote: Holyflare Barring any reasonable alternative (hence the writing about finding information about people's playstyles later) I would be fine with an rng vote. There are not 'so many reasons' to get behind somebody elses rng vote however. You rng because in the first day you have almost no information and so statistically your best bet of finding scum would be to random vote a person. His method seemed the most reasonable method to me and the for now implies that I'd like to hear alternatives otherwise I will stick with the vote. Even so, I understand that an rng'd vote can be tampered with or created in favour of him, however, he in no way can control the TL random generated post number or the number of people in the game to divide by. Weaker by no means implies weak. The whole notion of being weak is subjective, I was referencing that people (i.e, marv.) had pointed out previously that I would be a pain to play with (based on a previous game he briefly checked) and wanted to know others that shared a similar mindset to him. I certainly do not feel weak, in fact, I am most confident in my ability to analyse posts and exhibit townlike behaviour throughout the game. Whether people agree with this though is not my place to say. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:14 Risen wrote: This seems normal. I'm town. Risen starts straight off the bat seeing your post about the RNG determining method, he doesn't mention anything other than this. It implies that your method is fine and he does not mind the RNG in general. Following this up you asked him why he wouldn't want to vote Oats even after your sound RNGing to which he replies he will not random vote. It's only when it comes to his 'silly' post that he has jumped on me for agreeing with your RNG methods. If he even read your post it was pretty obvious that it was totally random and there was nothing factoring the RNG other than RNG itself. The thing which seems the most questionable to me is while, yes, I did call myself a weaker player in comparison to the rest of you, I asked several other questions about other players playstyles which he has completely glossed over which is no help to me or other people whatsoever. Dedicating a post on me was a stifle to conversation that I see as useful. Not only that but he questioned why I would call an RNG vote reasonable? It's more than reasonable to RNG given the circumstances. As for you BH. I like the RNG voting in general. It's a means to an end. You also state that you're for a policy lynch, this I can only get behind on a case by case basis. While policy lynching is most definitely an underused tactic on this forum I feel that it will mostly be down to RNG (what game of mafia isn't?) anyway and so a system that was pre-devised (like the one you posted) would be my prefered alternative. The fact you had to explain that your random system was in fact random baffles me. There is another person that I am confused about however, raynpelikoneet. I do not know if he's a troll in other games but this game so far his posts have been more lacking to say the least. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:41 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote holyflare Yeah I didnt roll scum!!!!!!!! Man that first post. On October 02 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Also I think BH might be scum because there is no reason to RNG in a 9 player mini and he was just trying to emulate his behavior from last game. So you think that BH is scum but don't vote him. That's a good stance. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote: except that we have 48 hours to find scum and its only 2/9 chance that we get scum. And probably another 4/9 that we hit an obvious townie that is obvious town after 48 hours. Now its not so useful is it? Do you even read what is posted? On October 02 2013 12:18 Blazinghand wrote: Also to all the RNG doubters: RNG has a 2/7 chance of hitting scum today! Not 2/9 as you might think. Why is that? Well, first off, I'm talking to people who aren't Oats and are town. You personally know that of the 8 non-you players, 2 are scum. So you'd think it would be a 2/8 chance of an RNG hitting scum. Pretty lame right? WRONG. If the RNG is on the doctor and the lynch starts to gather steam, he'll surely claim. This means that the doctor isn't even in the lynch pool, and we can roll again for a new RNG. this means we can discount one town player from our odds, meaning that you have a 2/7 (over 30%!) chance of lynching scum with RNG! | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:51 Risen wrote: You could read people's posts and judge them by that? Seems to be a pretty common way to vote. Did you not just jump on my post for saying 'reasonable for now' and the rest of it pretty much asking about other people? Or are you taking care to ignore everything I have been writing. Of course I am open to peoples posting and habits, that's why I asked for you to tell me what you know about other people which you have still neglected to do. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:34 Blazinghand wrote: @Holyflare: weigh in now on these interactions. state opinions, draw / refine reads, interact with the people voting you. refine your reads on them, and their reads on you. I live in the UK so my timezones are a bit off from yours. That being said. + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Literally a newbie doesnt mean you play the noob card unless you think it helps you. I only remember playing the noob card in my first few scumgames but none of my towngames because it served no purpose. Why do you think Holyflare is a complete and total idiot that is bad at mafia? I find Oats the most confusing player here, and by confusing, I mean a person with scumlike tendencies from what I can read. I mentioned one thing in one post and the rest of my posts have been trying to stimulate some other topics of discussion, yet, he is still adament that I've been calling myself a noob this entire time. The thing that drives me to suspicions is the fact that he has linked me and BH together as a scum team (why would either of us be that bad), and has had not so much interaction with me but a lot with BH. On October 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote: I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again. I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown! So am I scum for that too? Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob. Without actually saying those words. He even says so himself, he hasn't attempted to find what's up with me (even though I posted why I liked RNG voting specifically for my case) yet, here: On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote: it's the top scum play to stifle discussion. With his sure stance on me being scum and despite me resonding why I posted what I did is it not he who is in fact stifling the discussion? Stifling discussion is top scum play for calling someone scummy when they are being agressive and shit. Holyflare is the right lynch!. His posts do not analyse or point out reasonings, they state. He has responded poorly to questions arisen from BH, and even though BH and me are supposedly a scum team, it's enough for his vote to stay on me despite the constant accusatory nature he has against BH from the posts he see's. Not to mention; On October 02 2013 13:42 Oatsmaster wrote: If you think (you said you KNEW) a person was scum, your orientation as a townsman should be to prove to your allies that the person is in fact scum. If you do not interact with the person at all how can you garner anymore information than the one post you base your entire 'analysis' on? The fact that you say everyone else agrees with you in this thread is just testament to the fact that you have put no effort or thought into your stance and are just going with the flow to follow up for an 'easy' lynch.So you vote for someone then you ask him to explain? If I think a guy is scum, then why do I have to have interaction with him? And if everyone else in the thread thinks the same way, then why do I have to have interaction with them? | ||
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slOosh at least started asking questions when he initially joined into the discussion although has not really contributed since then at least he read up to date or so it seems. He's not too into meta but is alright saying that oats' play is just like his meta view of him though which was a little odd. Need to hear more on that side of things. | ||
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On October 02 2013 18:38 Dirkzor wrote: I believe BH's rng post was meant to be what it turned out to be. Discussion starter. It worked. Great. Now lets move on and find scum. Shit I don't even know what to write... Been so looong. Oats seem either weird, confused or scummy. Not sure which yet. The first sentence still doesnt make sense to me after reading it 5 times (Hungover so might be my fault). it also baffles me that he seems so sure about who to lynch so early. There are other examples: This whole posts is nonsense aswell. But through all this I somewhat still think he is town... hmm... HF's rambling about meta and being weak is rubbish. Him jumping the rng wagon, as pointed out by Risen, without any good reason is rubbish. After this, despite that BH think he have been posting better, he havent really done anything. He has sheeping BH and using BH arguments to push oats. ##Vote Holyflare Really? I have plenty of reasons for doing it and I've explained them about a million times now. There is an entirety of posts between my first post and then that are not "rubbish". Despite the fact that I've seemingly used someone's arguements do you not still think the points that have arisen are apt in this context? Surely, in a game with no cop you do your utmost to seem the most towny and discover who is also a townsperson. How do you do that? Asking that person questions, finding connections between that person and others for later, has oats done any of this? No. Has risen done any of that? No. Sheeping a vote and giving weak reasoning yourself is in my opinion poor play, coming to the conclusion that someone is still town after all of the points made and the fact that you think his posts are nonsense is also just more poor decision making. | ||
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On October 02 2013 19:15 Dirkzor wrote: Not different reasoning. He hasn't done anything. I said the in the first post and I stand by that. Add that to supporting rng "because BH said so" and him walking around BH's shadow is a great reason for me to vote him. I still dont get how it can be opportunistic? Had it been oppurtinistic if I had voted someone else or is it onle because it was HF? Do I have to say it again?? I've given reasons why I supported rng from my point of view not because BH said it so it must be good. Either way, I understand that you read town on oats but what reason did he have to ignore the points about other people in the game? Couple that with his inability to check up on me before determining I am actually scum what are the reasons that you lean town on oats?? | ||
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On October 03 2013 00:16 slOosh wrote: I still think Risen is lame, but he hasn't posted yet. As for Dirkzor ... I'm leaning town on him. The thing reads like he came into thread while still developing thoughts, got called out and is all frazzled out for it. I disagree that voting HF is the easy way to go, because at the time three people (me then BH then clarity) had given town reads on him. Scum willingly voting HF after seeing three people give town reads means that they are ready to engage attention. So I don't think it was an easy "park my vote move along". Firstly this doesn't even make sense. Dirkzor just coming into the thread with a straight up single paragraph on me and then voting me over the guy he wrote the rest of the post on was outwright confusing to say the least. Why specifically would he even mention that much on oats compared to say, risen and ray (who nobody has so far even mentioned despite his ridiculous 2 posts)? What you imply is that he actually had read the thread in its entirety to know that 3 people had given town reads on me. When you see his next post: On October 02 2013 19:15 Dirkzor wrote: Not different reasoning. He hasn't done anything. I said the in the first post and I stand by that. Add that to supporting rng "because BH said so" and him walking around BH's shadow is a great reason for me to vote him. I still dont get how it can be opportunistic? Had it been oppurtinistic if I had voted someone else or is it onle because it was HF? Followed by: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 20:11 Dirkzor wrote: Thank you. Ok. So I went back to find evidence that HF have been sheeping BH. Not much was found... Only little thing was this (and it's not really worth noting in the sheeping department): Other then that HF have been more original then I said he had been. Hmm.. That clashes with my previous belief. After re reading I'm also leaning more scum on oats. But I'm not sure it is entirely because of re-reading or just because I now think HF looks less scum. The problem with oats is that he have done some wierd shit as I pointed out earlier. But the feel I get when reading his filter is of someone who cares... It clearly shows that he in fact did not read the thread and only the beginning/my filter. He doesn't value his vote, he doesn't read the thread before posting a conclusion and then backtracks when people call him out on it claiming to have 'reread'? Lastly, On October 02 2013 22:38 Dirkzor wrote: Maybe I didn't value that vote so highly. Maybe I did just want to stir up things to see what fell out. That's a complete 180 from what he was expressing before. It seems like a fishy way, as people have mentioned, to try and appear like he was doing it all on purpose all along. ------------------------------------------------------- Also, sloosh, you have still not answered our posts about: On October 02 2013 18:37 Holyflare wrote: slOosh at least started asking questions when he initially joined into the discussion although has not really contributed since then at least he read up to date or so it seems. He's not too into meta but is alright saying that oats' play is just like his meta view of him though which was a little odd. Need to hear more on that side of things. Why is oats not portraying scum traits to you, especially after his unvote just today? Why have you not even mentioned it, and why are you basing off meta you aren't into? ---------------------------- As for oats, On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Ok so another reason why I think HF is town. If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town. If marv is town, marv is probably right. So both ways, HF is town I think. I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way. That's ridiculous wifom and adds nothing to the entire topic. I don't like it one bit. Especially coupled with, On October 02 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote: I read/detunneled. ##vote Dirkzor also sheeping marv is cool. + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 13:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont understand how you equate having a extreme stance on someone from their first post = scummy. Both me and Risen explained reasons to think that Holyflare is scum and you seem to think that Holyflare is scummy too. WHAT THE FUCK IS THERE TO CONVINCE YOU ABOUT ?? ? ? ?? ? I dont know if you are bad or if you are scum BH. Dirkzor had "an extreme stance on a first post" but it's ok to vote him now for it? Especially as you now say: On October 03 2013 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Man both Marv and Clarity are saying the exact same things. If you agree with Marv on his vote, why is it such a factor to you that someone else agrees with it so openly? At least he has put forth reasoning into his voting, even if it is similar to marvs. Yours just straight up changed until you were pressured to post why you switched and even then you haven't told us why you are voting dirk? | ||
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Firstly, I understand that people are finding scumreads/slips, however, most of them seem to be circumstantial. (i.e. Why would town "x" do this compared to scum "x", eg. Risen case.) What I would most like to see in a day 1 lynch is who is being the LEAST useful/scummy and who is just sliding by. In my eyes, the people under the main focus at the moment; Dirkzor, Risen, Sloosh, Rayn and Oats (clarity has been mentioned too) should be eliminated 1 by 1 in terms of rating of their overall posting to determine who is the optimal lynch for day 1 and ultimately who will be most useful in an endgame lylo scenario. So, Dirkzor I made my case on him HERE. Since this post, (bear in mind his vote was on me for a long time even though he supposedly "didn't think HF was scum anymore") he's had to defend himself a myriad of times, against the same points that I originally brought up in my linked case. Why has he had to do this? (+ Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 19:58 Oatsmaster wrote: LIES. So here I would assume you have a scumread on him. Then And now you think hes townie. After reading the same exact filter. Or saying you had. Which is the same thing. On October 02 2013 22:45 Dirkzor wrote: I was thinking about voting myself as a placeholder. After my HF fuckup I don't really have a clear read so I decided just to let it stay put... If I'm scum I wouldn't draw that much attention to myself. Meh... So, what reason do I have to vote/not vote him? Cons 1. His feel reads/lack of analysis at start 2. His contradictary statements (doesn't matter what he says, they were) Pros 1. Since the whole first post debacle, he's been pressured and I think responded fairly well. 2. He's been scumhunting (or somewhat following peoples scumhunts, classic sheeping?) 2.1 + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 15:38 Dirkzor wrote: Wat? Explain how you went from "Nothing to compelling" to then add some wiffle-waffle and suddenly you feel good about it? 2.2 + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 16:09 Dirkzor wrote: When readin Rayn's fillter he seems to be scooting by without trying to make to much trace or impact. From what he have done so far is thinking real long and hard about BH/oats interaction without ever coming to a conclusion. He don't want to comment on anything else in the game because "it have been said" and "i agree". What? Are you 100% in agreement? You don't have anything to add to any case or any resservations about any case or reaction thereof? This is the worst: BH is in the thread and want to talk about something that rayn have pondering. Instead of asking BH questions about the things he slides of and does nothing... Rayn looks like a good lynch actually. But I would still like to hear from Sloosh too. On October 03 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote: Okay, doing some thinking and reading. I'll also say that I'm suspicious of clarity for the fact that he's been talking a lot but most of it has been asking questions or sheeping. His vote of Dirk is scummy imo. Now that I've had time to think about it, I don't award him any credit for explaining my thoughts. this is something scum can and does easily do to look like a contribution. It wasn't worthless though so it's not a scumtell. That being said, I don't think clarity is actively disrupting the thread. In his questions an attempts to interact, although they can be incoherent, they look like he's trying to develop reads and interact with other players in a constructive way. I don't like that he doesn't have any serious long posts with analysis. His conversation is good, but he hasn't seriously followed it up. That being said, Clarity is generally active and in the thread. Like Dirk, he hasn't posted enough analysis, but at least he's around. I think his alignment will become more clear one way or another as the game goes forwards. I am not willing to lynch Clarity today. I don't like Dirk's entrance into the thread either. It doesn't make a huge amount of sense. he hasn't played amazingly, but this post in particular (LINK) gives him a little bit of credit in my eyes. He's willing to admit he is wrong later, but ultimately his contributions today are lacking. His filter is short and his only serious posts (link) (link) are summary or backtracked. Due to the fact that he hasn't produced serious analysis or things he has been held to, I am willing to lynch Dirk today. He is not my top option however. I don't like sloosh's reasoning for voting clarity. scummy, but not oats tier. I swing around now to Rayne. He is normally a big poster and interacts a lot. He writes cases, he pushes, he and I usually have serious interactions by this point in the game. This game, though, he seems quiet and subdued. I don't like this. His entire filter is questions, insinuations, questioning insinuations, and weird one-liners where he seems not to understand things. This is really not what I'd expect from rayne. His stances are all soft and fluffy, and he's really not contributing and maing his opinions and stances known. Rayne isn't afraid of that kind of thing. Rayne isn't afraid to lead. Not normally, at least. ##unvote Oatsmaster ##vote Rayne http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&user=raynpelikoneet&view=all LOOK AT RAYN'S FILTER. It's not the filter of a town rayne. I know it's majority lynch, so I am currently willing to shenannie onto Oats or Dirk, but please, take a look at what i've liked and at rayne's overall filter. He's revealed nothing. He's pushed nothing seriously. He is all smoke and mirrors and no substance. 2.3 + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 19:47 Dirkzor wrote: Why was/is sloosh so sure I'm town? I'm having a hard time to figure this out. His reasoning and the way he see my timeline fit rather good with reality, but why did he come to that conclusion when no one else did/have? I know I'm town, but I also know that my first post wasn't stellar... Why was he defending me? Maybe it only looks weird to me since I know my alignment is town, but it looks preemptive if I was lynched. Anyone agree? I'm not sure I can just get over the first few posts no matter how he defends himself, he had "opinions" based on reading the thread/filters but then apparently didn't read. Apparently it was then all just a tactic to mess shit up? No, I don't think so. Dikzor is still one of my top lynches, although, I like his somewhat scumhuntyness too. Risen Risen has 1 page of filter, however, I haven't checked up on him to determine what his normal play is like. From the get go he was aggressive and put a vote on me. Which as I've pointed out previously, I liked. I found this to be a townlike attitude and after I responded he subsequently unvoted, although with no explanation. After that he kind of fell away for a bit and I felt that he seemed somewhat uninterested in the whole affairs of the game. When he returned he posted an entire case on clarity which I felt was somewhat lacking. His points can work both ways for town clarity and scum clarity and there were much more viable candidates at the time that were worth a lot more attention, especially as this is day 1 after all! I don't mind the case, at least it was some content and aggressive, in line with his nature that I've seen so far. What does strike me as suspicious was after people started critiquing it he just fell completely timid, something I would not expect him to do. He was shot down and did not push, he just asked people for their thoughts. He didn't fight his case. After that he's just disappeared. In conclusion, there isn't much to go by but the stuff that's there is aggressive and although seemingly confirmation biasy it got people talking about another potential person rather than beating the dead horse that other people were doing for a while. I like his aggressive nature, to the point where he would not be my first vote choice, but I want to see him defend himself a bit more. Sloosh He entered the thread with an opposite view to thread sentiment which people have taken in 2 ways: Scum with knowledge or town because of boldness. Obviously you can't really determine which but I like the fact that it got people talking about other areas. I mentioned the meta thing in my post addressed to him and he responded but also was questioning meta again after here: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 00:02 slOosh wrote: Scum marv would call scumbuddy HF scum? He then starts boldly defending Dirk out of nowhere despite dirks posts being obviously lackluster. He says that he follows Dirks thought process etc etc but it all seems to me to be too convenient. If you actually read sloosh's filter it reads like how dirk thought I posted - a whole lot of stuff but no meat. Is it not a scum tactic to repeatedly ask people for their reads and not do much in the way of scum hunting? This is what he is doing. + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 08:00 slOosh wrote: rayn, what parts of Risen's post do you find townish? + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 11:10 slOosh wrote: Ohh BH, thoughts on clarity? + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 13:47 slOosh wrote: You and clarity. Does he have a history of "beeing on your dick"? His overall posting style if you read his filter is non-stop defence on everyone that is being attacked. There is only one accusatory part and that is his vote on clarity, which did not make sense from what he was posting. He goes from nothing compelling: here to: One piece of wiffle-waffle and then I change my mind This was totally out of line from what he was previously posting. His defence on Dirk despite his posting, his defence on others in the thread to straight out accusing someone he just said a case wasn't too compelling on makes him stand out like a sore thumb. He is probably my highest priority for lynching right now. Rayn What can I say but mirror other peoples thoughts? BH, Dirk etc. have all pointed out that his posts are shit. BH mentions his meta and I've done some reading, he makes cases, he participates. So far he's posted NOTHING that is helpful at all, literally one liners etc saying that he's read the thread and is contemplating what the fuck was happening between BH/Oats etc. I don't really need to explain anymore as you can just read his filter. He is my joint top lynch with Sloosh. Oats He starts out with his vote on me, convinced I am scum etc etc. He has the whole debacle with BH in which nothing really happens, he defend the fact that his vote is still on me, however, does not try and question it or contemplate that anyone else could be scum. I attribute this to the fact that it was early on in the game and there was no total alternative but it still seemed a bit tunnely to me (Which he actually addressed later on when he unvoted). + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote: All those words. That dont mean anything. I meant saying that someone is stifling discussion is what scum always like to do. Everyone else thinks that you are scummy. Therefore I cant do anything more to convince people at this point of time. COME ON HOLYFLARE. STOP POSTING LONG POSTS. NOT GOOD. You and BH are probably not on the same scumteam but I have a way more sure read on you than on BH. BH, is Holyflare a noob or not? He tells me to stop posting long posts, and that the points had no merit but then unvoted me after he re-read the next day. Which I also like about him. He's not afraid to admit that he was wrong and tunnel visioned. He's posted a lot of bs about how people can be scum if someone else is scum which seemed a bit like he was foreshadowing future events ie. + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Ok so another reason why I think HF is town. If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town. If marv is town, marv is probably right. So both ways, HF is town I think. I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way. I think Oats is making points about people that were original (ie. risen, although they work both ways) and he has stuck to Dirkzor, which I think was good seeing as people seemingly dismissed everything about him. I honestly think a lynch on oats would be a bad thing at this current point in time. 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On October 03 2013 21:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare. First of all, this is bullshit: Why would you say this? Also why did you hide your vote on Oats behind RNG as it was not RNG for you? I did not hide it on Oats, I've explained this countless times. I do not know anyone here, so I would rather sit on an RNG determined vote, barring anything obviously striking. Which it turns out has happened and now I've switched my vote. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you understand when Blazinghand says "RNG = Oats" it's no more a random lynch. It's a lynch on Oats that Blazinghand randomized? That's the same fucking thing?? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what did you expect Oats to do when people in thread were you, BH and him (and to some extent Risen)? How was his play tunneled? Have you read this shit? I've made at least 1-2 cases on oats that explained all this. You aren't helping my view of you. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it's not. It is not. If you know the target before you say if you agree/not with a random lynch it's no more a random lynch. Oh, now I know where you're coming from. While, yes, that makes sense for other people. However, since I do not know anybody here it is in fact random for me. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your cases were bad. Now, again, how was Oats' play tunneled and what he should have done instead of trying to figure out people's alignment that were actually posting at that time? Then you've read jack shit. On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote: Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum? On October 02 2013 14:08 Holyflare wrote: The fact you can't just click my profile (you can even see my post count??) and see that I've only been in newbie games is just more testament to your alignment. Shouldn't you be discerning these answers before you know that "He's surely scum".? My case before all these things said things similar to all this. Please don't insult things you haven't been bothered to actually read. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:52 marvellosity wrote: Play nice, Holyflare, or I'll have to spank you. It would be different if a guy that said he has read the thread and then made a list post only to question things that have already been answered didn't say these things. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats saying "stop posting long posts" is not alignment indicative. Oats gave his thoughts on you/BH/Risen during the rng shit. So the rest of your post is incorrect. There was nothing else to figure out at that time. If you do something scummy people think you are scum. What's wrong with that regardless if you are noob or not? My post explains why I don't think oats is scummy anymore, my vote isn't even on him anymore. There are far more scummy people to look at. Why are we still talking about oats? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol. Because you voted for him with shitty reasons. And because you defended your shitty cases on him. I am not talking about Oats here, i am talking about you. Why are you turning this into "talking about Oats" when it's clearly not what it is? I posted something that people jumped on, I explained why, no matter how I explained things he didn't post anything other than "i know he's scum", what's more to add, this was all in the first few hours of the game. So much has happened since then. There are people on your list that are scummy for things they have done that you are not discussing and you are picking up on something that happened in the first 6 hours. | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey Holyflare where did you go? Why do you feel like i am talking about Oats when i am clearly not? Also do you think your case on him was good or not? Was making lunch. Talking about me talking about oats is what I'm implying. If only me, bh, risen and oats were talking at the start of the game and a person says that you are scum no matter what you say then they are stifling the discussion so yes, the points I made make sense and that is why I kept my vote on him further. He later dropped it and pursued other avenues of thought and thus, like I said, i removed my vote on him. | ||
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On October 03 2013 23:21 marvellosity wrote: Will you talk about that stuff with me, Holy? Of course. Let me address some glaringly silly things first. This: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so, here is what i am trying to say. This is what Holyflare says about his unvoting Oats: Later on he says he unvoted Oats because of his detunnel and because it is reasonable. Okay, this is cool and everything, except for: This can't be a reason for his unvote, because he does not unvote before now. He even quotes Oats' post where Oats "detunnels", and does not say it's good or anything. He only says it later on, when the thread sentiment is not in favor of lynching Oats anymore! Also his reasons for voting for Oats are bad in the first place. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Holyflare This is 100% sentiment to the fact that you have not read the thread or where posts are located in the thread instead you have just confirmation biased your way into a vote. You quote the post where I mention oats vote on dirkzor. I in no way have implied that I did not like "oh i've de-tunneled" in fact, the spoiler underneath quotes the post that I was referencing that vote on dirkzor on. It was in reference to the point that oats made about people with an aggressive first post vote shouldn't be voted on but then he voted on Dirk anyway. I found this hypocrtical. However, within the next post Oats had already explained himself. I found oats to be scummy but on further analysis when I returned (I can't be here all the time???) I re-read peoples filters and this that is where the big post is. If you are getting at me for not keeping my vote on oats, I don't know why, he is CLEARLY the least scummy out of the ones that people have been referencing and not worthy of a vote IMO today. My post while big, is an attempt to get people to focus on the things that matter. You say: On October 03 2013 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i tend to interact with people who are in thread. I'm impatient to wait for answers for hours, i have a train of thought and i want to disclose it with quick back and forth discussion. That's what i always do. but I just made a post on voting and who people should vote for which you are either deflecting from for some reason or have other ideas. You don't need to wait for people to discuss points that people have brought up. Discussion is discussion which leads to questions which lead to answers. If you don't discuss other points you're left with a 1 track point of discussion which in the end may lead to nothing. As for the question I have not answered, which one are you implying?? I've been answering what you have asked there is nothing wishy-washy about it. | ||
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1. Started with RNG 2. Developed concerns that Oats was not willing to discuss anything. 3. Oats dropped his case on me after he said he was tunelling/like what I posted. 4. Addresses my concerns but still seems a little fishy - more of a null read but still one of the scummy people 5. Analyse rest of people - Oats is no longer most scummy | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:03 Clarity_nl wrote: Do you have a read on rayn after this push on you? Yes, he's wasted 7 pages on me discussing a vote on oats instead of addressing what other people have been talking about. I make a post and he deviates to asking me about the early game. Why? I'm not sure. He starts off by not saying anything and then contrary to his previous game cases he has made a post that lists his thoughts on people rather than actual cases. His case he made on me was indicative of someone who did not read around the posts he was making a case on and has deflected from discussion that I think would have been more appropriate especially concerning the thread sentiment at the moment. Scummy? I'm not sure. Confirmation biased. Yes. | ||
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HolyFlare: I don't like his vote still being on Oats. Afaik i understand it's because of RNG, which is not in fact rng for him. Other than that he has made some good observations, then nothing. He calls my observations good but in the past few pages has been saying they were terrible. | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:08 marvellosity wrote: Holy, why is what i posted up there wrong? I need you just to clear it up for me. You seemed to think his unvote post at the time was bad, later you thought it was ok? is that not the case or what? Where did I say his unvote was bad, I've checked my filter but can't really see it. Either way, upon rereading ouats I saw things like On October 02 2013 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote: What? Marv, I liked his posts after I left, and thought from the perspective of not a cynical old fart and thought that HF is probably town. However, if he doesnt convince people to vote for me or convince dudes to vote for someone else, then THE PRESSURE IS ON BABY! and was like - oh, he's actually willing to pay attention now, and he was right about the pressuring people etc. | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote: Does this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=15#297 - not suggest you thought his unvote was bad? What am I missing? I only ask why sloosh liked his reasoning? | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:28 marvellosity wrote: Right, so the thing you didn't like was the random sheep on to Dirkzor, ya? yes, especially as he pointed out clarity for sheeping | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote: Alright bingo! Can you see why I was having difficulties? lol. That makes sense. I can. Can we get back to talking about scum now????? | ||
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As for rayn saying that his vote is up to marv, wtf? Why would you even do that. Your vote is your own just because someone is acting the most town like doesn't mean you should follow what they vote, this is a bit dodgy if you ask me. | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Right ok. So what do you think it makes Dirk if Sloosh is scum? Who is that addressed to? | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:23 Holyflare wrote: Besides that it just seemed odd for the guy that was so opinionated coming out of nowhere throwing out accusations and then voting aggressively to then want to sheep a vote This is in regards to rayn by the way, what do you guys think about that? | ||
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On October 04 2013 04:05 Risen wrote: I let my posting speak for me. I don't think defense posts do any good. Someone who's scum or town can come up with a myriad of reasons for their posting. Know what townies do? They hunt scum. Your posting is why people find you scummy in the first place? | ||
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On October 04 2013 04:09 Risen wrote: My lack of posting is what people find scummy about me, not my posting. Those are two entirely different things. No that is wrong, what people want to know is why was your case on clarity not defended or enforced which is how your manner of posting usually is. Why did you become so timid after people criticised it and also it's not enough to just make a case, I want to know what you think of the other cases so far. What do you think of sloosh and his clairvoyanct nature, what about oats, what about dirkzor? Thats is why it's not enough so don't make it out to be. | ||
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On October 04 2013 05:20 Risen wrote: so you're saying your cases are all based on confirmation bias? They should be objective not based on feelings. There's a difference between having a feeling when you start a case and finding the evidence to back your feelings as you build the case. I've started to write cases in the past and come to the conclusion whilst writing it that someone else is scum. Sorry I forgot to spoiler that. I'm leaving again, I'll be keeping up on my phone, though Also, I do like some of risens points by the way. Rayn is voting for people who were voting on his scum reads etc etc, i suggest you do read it to take out some of these points. | ||
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On October 04 2013 05:46 marvellosity wrote: Why don't you tell me what the good points were, that sounds like more fun. I did in fact skim it and I kinda vommed inside my mouth while doing so, so I'd rather avoid the experience a 2nd time. On my phone, tedious to read it all again, let alone quote but if you start half way through it is bearable | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:45 Blazinghand wrote: he was suspicious until i read his meta. did you actually read where I called sloosh town bro Asked you like twice about the rest of his posts though. The main reason me (and marv?) are on him is because of his seemingly clairvoyant posts | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:18 Blazinghand wrote: which makes marv's instant belief even more weird, right somewhat, but other peoples behaviour has been way more suspect than marvs currently | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:20 Blazinghand wrote: think about your first, natural reaction to my claim. the reaction of a townie. Now think about marv's reaction. Why would that be different? well, he's a different alignment. say marv is mafia, then who would be your second most reasonable guess as to who is the second one? | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote: He was being vague I wanted him to specify >.< The guy I have my vote on..... or rayn would probably be my second choice, not sure about dirk anymore either, the people that I want to lynch all fell off the radar -.- | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:25 slOosh wrote: So here's my problem marv. You say you respect my play. From your filter I glean that you have very iffy reads on Risen and Dirkzor. I also glean that your scum read of me is not substantially strong, mainly based on what I haven't done rather than what I have done. And yet you are content to let me sail is disconcerting. But objectively thinking that's me just being upset for being, what I feel like, as unfairly lynched. Maybe I did play really poorly. Ok. That's that. Umm ... Risen is #1 pick for having 0 followup on the clarity case. Additionally he finds rayn suspicious of finding him town, which is strange as if he was town that should be the norm. You don't actively look people with town reads on you and then do a PBPA on them. Still don't see what the problem with Dirkzor is. I think he made an honest mistake with what he perceived as a contradiction in my view of Risen's case and my vote on Clarity. Oats I probably feel moderate to strong town. We've played a bunch of games back to back so maybe that's where I'm getting it from. He is surprisingly consistent and even predictable, and his playstyle looks like that this game. Rayn I don't know too much since the majority of his posts were in the 21~40 range, which I was only able to skim. Prior to that he was pretty lackluster. Lack of activity isn't alarming (I recall he has like a 12 hr job or something), but what he did with that time "I don't know what BH is doing" and then the lack of followup on him was lame. Holyflare I felt like a meticulous person, very structured in his posts (My brain says this is what Oats initially voted him for, cause Oats doesn't like wordiness), so I relate with Holyflare. I would still take care not to let him blindside everyone b/c he is a newbie or whatever. Koshi did that during Sicilian I thinks. This leaves the trio of Marv BH and clarity. If BH didn't claim doctor I probably would still go after him. I don't like marv, but only because I'm sulky. Clarity as I have explained, you had intertwining earlier, and as i have said, I didn't feel like that was a large enough sample size. Scum can intertwine with town. But they usually won't over large portions of time, which is what pg 20~40 showed me. Yup that's it. Umm ... I'm sort of ok with dying right now ... I've made peace with it. In anycase, here's my vote of confidence fwiw after my flip. ##Unvote: Blazinghand ##Vote: Risen Why would you ever be ok with dying if you were town? How has anyone not mentioned this. BH talks about marv going against the 'wincon' but when sloosh just posts something like that how can we ignore it? If you are town you fight to the very last minute to prevent yourself dying. You KNOW you are town, everyone else should therefore be dumb and wrong. Go out of your way to prove it. Don't just accept your fate. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:43 Blazinghand wrote: like, what a backtrack. WHAT a BACKTRACK. It's not helping, you won't get traction on your vote. We'll see what happens later and then judge the whole scenario. If marv didn't pull all this crap let's backtrack. What was your sentiment before? | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:56 slOosh wrote: ##Unvote: Risen ##Vote: Rayn Ehh ... I hope you are seeing something that I can't. That you are probably town, that's what we're most likely seeing? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:41 Blazinghand wrote: holyflare what are your current opionions on oats and dirk I don't like dirk as a lynch, anytime soon at least, I think he was easy lynchbait to begin with due to his odd way of making his first post. I thought he was scummy and he seemingly defended himself well. His case on sloosh looks convincing and I was initially on the sloosh vote so I'd probably stick with sloosh until I read around more filters for tomorrow. Oats on the other hand.. I don't even... He's scummy as shit but everyone keeps saying that "this is how he plays town" so I do not know how to go about it either way. He's against making a case, just sheeps what other people are saying and when asked to put in effort decides that he doesn't want to even read anything. If this was day 1 in another game I'd seriously just policy lynch him. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:47 Oatsmaster wrote: I guess I need to post useful things to look town. FTFY | ||
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On October 05 2013 04:22 Risen wrote: So I'm relaxing and thinking and I know I said I'm immune to too crazy to be scum, but that's all I can get that I can't explain about marc. Oats is playing so anti town. Like what is this? He's so cocky for no reason. If I want to punch Marc I want to lynch oats, because holy cow what is he doing to help town is all I can think. His objective should be to establish himself as town but he isn't even concerned with it. So why would scum do that, because meta. And now why is he trying so hard to play crazy instead of actually help. I think his partner got lynched and so now his plan is just to troll the entire game so no one will lynch him. I know sloosh isn't doing anything, but why is that scum him and town oats. To me it reads as oats trying to "meta"and sloosh just... being. He's not anti our pro, he's null. I would really like marv or Oats to be lynched, though. Lynch people who play anti town but you have to admit that Dirk's case on sloosh is pretty damning right? The trolling could just be because it is SO obvious already? | ||
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On October 05 2013 04:29 Risen wrote: Yes, but I'm running into a problem of "there are too many people I see as scum in this game" Conserve energy, vote sloosh. If he flips town then you can do some more. | ||
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Saying he only voted sloosh because it wasn't him etc etc just read filter. Sloosh wasn't his initial scum call either. Why am i dong your work for you? | ||
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On October 06 2013 23:55 marvellosity wrote: it does actually, else we'd all be voting for him. Who says we won't if sloosh is town? | ||
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On October 07 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Risen or Dirk Marv? I think Holyflare is the dark horse here. Oats, let's talk hypothetically here. If you knew sloosh was town and everyone was going to vote him. What would you do for an entire cycle? You'd probably sit back and let other people do things right, it's a free cycle of 0 scum hunting. If you are town you should be looking at the people who either weren't doing any of that or were trying to stifle that discussion. I know you are keen to say marv is town etc etc, but he was "so sure" that sloosh would flip scum that he has done none of that and questioned others attempts to continue playing the game. Isn't that the perfect cover for scum to do nothing? Now, dirk on the other hand. He knows we're all going to focus sloosh. So why not make a case that looks bad on him and put the final nail into the coffin? It did look pretty convincing and the fact that sloosh just effectively rolled over was more than annoying, however, you can't rule out these 2. Also, marv. Vice versa. Oats did extra scum hunting, particularly pointing out that risen didn't vote sloosh etc. Isn't it overkill to do that extra scum hunting when we "knew" that sloosh was scum? | ||
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On October 07 2013 22:32 marvellosity wrote: See, you're just painting everything as scummy Holy. That's scummy. well oats is scummy as shit to me | ||
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On October 07 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote: No, the point is, RISEN DIDNT ACTUALLY PUSH RAYN. He just posted a case and fucked off. Then BH and you started getting into it. And holyflare. No, clarity was on a risen lynch. Risen voted sloosh to counteract the fact that he was the reverse wagon. When BH said we could lynch rayne who was risens top scum read (because of his case) he switched over, his post that I linked to you earlier even said why he went onto sloosh "it wasn't a risen lynch". Clarity was against a rayn lynch. In fact when I said the only other person I'd want to lynch is rayn and he said "no that definitely won't happen" or words to that effect. He didn't push rayn because he got butt hurt 24/7 by everyone saying they won't read his cases bla bla for a second time. It would demotivate anyone. Either way, I will not be voting risen today unless there are some GLARINGLY obvious posts. | ||
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On October 07 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont see any reasons in that statement by HF about Risen being townie Ok HF, if you ignore the Rayn lynch, who do you want to lynch the most? I really need to read around a bit more, but the people I will be reading are you, marv and dirk. | ||
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On October 07 2013 23:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Why are we 3 the scummiest if we ignore the rayn lynch? Come on HF, work with me. why would I ignore the rayn lynch? Stop working against me | ||
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On October 07 2013 23:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Because its an exercise to get you to think about Risen being scum Rayn didnt get lynched/was town. Its night. Just do it. But he was lynched and rayn was scum so what you are asking is somewhat silly. Risen has been consistent in his case making and style. He makes long winded cases and makes them based off confirmation biased reads. He made his second case on rayn despite being told to improve on making cases. A lot of unnecessary effort went into it and thus when he was shot down again he felt dejected, this wouldn't happen if he was a scum partner with rayn would it, he asked how to improve it, agreed that he could have cut out half of it etc etc. If you're convinced someone is scum you look at everything incriminating which he did, literally everything. The point you make about not pushing his case is the same point yo made against me at the start too. However, what I wrote above still applies. If you put in all that effort and get shot down a second time you get really really demotivated to push anything. As for you oats, you have played what I see as the most scummy game. You didn't really push people you just agreed with points and sheeped votes. It's not until day/night 2 that you really begin to make a case on someone. The case was weak in my opinion and you're jackhammering it rather than looking objectively at other people that could indeed be scum. Marv is a good player so I've heard, the only thing that's made me see him negatively was the BH argument vut as I understand he dislikes BH for out of game reasons. I would have liked him to leave that out of game though for the sake of making this harder. I still need to read up on his posts though because i have somewhat neglected him till now, which can be a total mishap if I've properly misread him. He was convinced sloosh was scum and so didn't do anymore scum hunting and joked at how we were trying which left me questionable. Dirk was well scummy to start, he obviously had to pick up his posting mishap in order to appear not scummy so I'm not sure i can let him slide. I liked his case on sloosh though it looked very convincing. People have seemingly let him go free. If i had to target someone it would be you oats | ||
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On October 08 2013 06:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so Dirk or Holyflare. Both with horrific opening posts. So you are targetting me now? What happened to your god given read on risen? | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:03 Oatsmaster wrote: See other people are like me. Not reading the thread. Oh no, Im not special  .Ok so Holyflare, Risen is too dick to be scum. He is way too angry at me to be scum. And I was playing along for just the last page cause it was really funny. are you actually kidding me??? I cannot comprehend your thought processing......... | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote: Dinner at 11pm? weirdo. have law shit from 5-9pm | ||
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On October 08 2013 08:55 Clarity_nl wrote: Do you believe scum are more likely to associate themselves with their partner any chance they get, or avoid them? Because you're actually convincing me that oats is town Classic reverse psychology 101. | ||
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There's you, to fuck shit up. There's clarity. He has sheeped you most of the game etc, saw you had town reads on oats and killed off that target. Called me slightly scummy tonight and so maybe will play that off later in the game. | ||
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In fact, that makes the most sense for either you or clarity to do, to frame risen. | ||
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You get rid of the mislynchable player, you have to mislynch an actual town read. It's harder to lynch someone who looks town at lylo than a maybe he is town/maybe scum guy that can be too volatile. You can then point out how you are the towniest of town to the rest of the people and win the game. How does this not work out for both you and clarity? | ||
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On October 08 2013 09:45 marvellosity wrote: ? that makes no sense because mafia don't care who get lynched as long as it's not themselves. come on already. clarity and i don't need to 'agree' on who to kill as long as it isn't whoever isn't the mafia. how does it not make sense? of course they care who get's lynched, if I was you I'd keep the guy that was sheeping me around in a heartbeat | ||
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On October 08 2013 19:28 marvellosity wrote: Shouldn't you be suspicious as fuck that someone who wasn't suspicious of you wants to kill you solely because of the Oats nightkill? seriously??? On October 08 2013 10:06 marvellosity wrote: the net of it is, it makes no sense for anyone not-dirk-oats to kill into dirk-oats because they are the most likely mislynches but now this doesn't count for risen or what? (Sorry about last night I was more than out of it) | ||
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The only reason that oats could be killed was to add further speculation about dirkzor making a desperation move, pretty simple play to make if you think about it coming from you it lets you sit back for an entire day again and not have to do anything but vote for dirkzor. This means that you don't have to do even more extra scum hunting compared to if you left oats alive. Oats was looking for scum, even through the trolling, he was pretty much the only one looking. Now, you can conveniently eliminate another day and as you've painted risen as your next target I presume he will be your choice for the day after. Everytime someone so much as mentions the word marv and scum in a sentence you flip out about how you are "the most town, and have progressed us through most of the game". Now, I'm not saying you are scum, I'm not saying you aren't. Of course I will filter dive you and see whether these feels are baseless or not. This is just a theory after all. | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote: is "vote for who you think is mafia" suddenly a foreign concept? Did I miss some massive meta shift in the last few days that passed me by completely? Suspicious behaviour is not the same as being mafia. You need to look at all the facts. | ||
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No, I'm saying that you're saying I should be voting you etc? If I haven't looked at the facts and just theorise it's not the same thing and isn't vote worthy. I do want to also check up on clarity. | ||
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This game confuses the shit out of me but I'll post the abridged version on dirk for now and then look up risen a bit more: You guys really believe this? On October 09 2013 22:20 Dirkzor wrote: Fuck it... I don't think Marv is scum. I kinda did a little bit yesterday but mostly it was to see who followed me there to catch the last scum. Scum wan't to get of marv, right? So whoever sheeped me had to be scum... Yesterday didn't bother me much, but today it is kinda getting to me all that shitcalling from marv. Didn't sign up to get yelled at. Don't want to wait for Risen or HF anymore. Anyway lynch me if you like... ##Unvote ##Vote Risen Think about it logically. He thinks a guy is scum, so makes a case on him, only to not think he is scum after all but then suddenly it's a trap for me and risen. If the guy who he is making a case on is arguing with him, why would he be so put down? He thinks that guy is scum, the guy whose case it's on will literally say anything to make him think he's wrong so why listen to it? If it was a trap he could literally afk and wait for someone to agree with him and then jump him. He feels disheartened because he knows marv is town and can't logically push through his case anymore. This is what marv said he does when he is scum, attacks a person but can't keep it up because he knows he is wrong. Coupled with this straight after: On October 09 2013 22:32 Dirkzor wrote: Yes I am. Look you pointed out why my push was so weird yourself. I've had a town read on you most of the game. I just ended up in a situation where everyone was town. I looked at filters and noone looked scum. So why the hell not... He thought marv was town but made a case on him anyway to lay a trap which he didn't follow through with. What's the point of that??? So what does he do now, votes risen whom he even says: On October 09 2013 22:35 Dirkzor wrote: Risen looks town because of the whole lynch D1 (that part is true). I can't believe Risen would make that big a case on his scumbuddy on 2nd part of day 1 when lynch wasn't decided. That combined with his voteswitches D1. Marv looks town just in general. Only minor things that he looks scum for is his disappearence D1 lynch and the way he acted out D2. I had similar thoughts D2 so I couldn't really say either way. Look, I'm all for finding scum but this oats night kill kinda screws with everything. However, everyone has already theorised about the oats kill and the only player that it can potentially make sense from is Dirk. Risen was all over oats, everyone was finding oats scummy, he could have literally as everyone has already said, ride the dirk/oats train to victory. So, why on earth would he kill oats? It doesn't make logical sense in this scenario (other than killing him because he got on his nerves). | ||
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On October 09 2013 01:32 Dirkzor wrote: Thank you. And btw Marv didn't progress anything. Bh did the rayn thing. I did sloosh (wrongly) - which you sheeped. At day 1 lynch marv didn't push anyone towards lynch time and he never committed much to anything. I was around then and he did not question me further about it, he just continued pushing you and used it as fuel for his case. Now I'm not one to play up traps but it's not really effective if you don't say AHA you just got played until your case fails is it? | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:26 marvellosity wrote: Hey Holy. The thing is, rayn made slOosh look suspicious as hell. Has slOosh as 2nd scumread, refuses to vote him etc. And slOosh was town. So.... ick. He voted sloosh. Didn't want to counter wagon onto risen who was his only other option and would have prevented impending no-lynch at the time. | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote: Hmm, I was referring to earlier in the day. His vote at the end was pointless wasn't it? Let me check. | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote: It's perfectly possible Risen is not mafia, but this argument is so awful, and Clarity's made it too. If I think I can make cases on my mafiabuddy at any point in the game and they won't get lynched, I'm fucking doing it. Every. Single. Time. Yeh but there was no NEED for risen to switch to rayn at the time. | ||
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I mean, sure, it would make sense to make a case on like dirkzor or something and get everybody to train back onto him but to make a case on rayn who was on the forefront of everyones minds for a lynch just didn't make sense. Especially when he could have just voted sloosh and been done with it. | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:34 Dirkzor wrote: I did spot it. Why do you think I emphasized it? But your whole post was so vague that it didn't really give me much... (the bolded part) You are right I should have stuck to my guns and waited it out. But neither you or Risen was here and I won't be around at lynch time due to me sleeping. So the clock was ticking.. You are pointing out a post that marv asked me to post by the way, it has no relation to your post. | ||
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There is no possible way that you could argue that how rayn was playing was not scummy. To me he was clearly the second most reasonable lynch in the game. Posts nothing but crap at the start, jumps onto someone he didn't find that scummy and then afk's on a dirkzor vote till like 20 mins at the end where he then votes sloosh over risen. | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:56 marvellosity wrote: lol people don't vote for people with last minute shenannies because they remembered a case made 24 hours ago or whatever. Shenannies are a law unto themselves. Shenanies happen exactly for the reason you said they don't. People have that suspicion from seeds planted earlier. | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote: Holy, you're making the argument "no scum should ever make a case on a fellow scummer, because at some point, some undisclosed point later in the game, that case may be in the back of someone's mind" that's not how it works. There's a difference between a case and what risen wrote and subsequently defended himself with. | ||
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On October 10 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote: the shenannies happened because rayn came into the thread being a moron and BH decided he wanted to lynch him for it. The earlier cases may then have played into how likely it was that rayn got lynched. But to connect the two is ridiculous. If I didn't have that case, I wouldn't switch, risen wouldn't therefore switch, sloosh would die and then there would still be 2 mafia left..... | ||
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That being said when someone is aware of their own meta to that extent it's easy to play to it. So I can't really get a proper read on you either way. If you're mafia, you're probably going to win. If not then hey, at least we have a person that contributes to discussion. I did read the games you were scum. They were bad :p and looked nothing like this. | ||
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If you weren't defending yourself so vehemently with all these quotes about specific ways you play, I would have assumed you were 100% town long ago. Now it's more 80-90% | ||
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On October 10 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote: if you read my games, you'd know i always heavily defend myself with meta Yeh, not gonna read every post of every game :/ Just skimmed through a bit of day 1's etc. | ||
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On October 10 2013 01:46 Risen wrote: HF why are you so certain I'm town? And assuming Dirk is lynched today, who are you going to lynch tomorrow? And I'm not mad marv, I'm just tired. Nobody because the game will be over? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:47 Blazinghand wrote: PS: BTW I really mean it when I say marv, sloosh, oats-- those are my top 3 scumreads. I really think we should lynch them. Dirk should be lynched over oats only if people who ARE NOT OATS are really on board with it. Dirk was also on BH's scum list. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:02 Risen wrote: It all makes sense now, he knew I would immediately move over to Dirk, bcause I don't do meta, I play with logic, and logically Dirk was the guy. He was counting on it. But he wasn't counting on me to think on the next level of the Oats kill. He was expecting me to be mad, he wasn't expecting me to keep my cool. Oats went down because I'm not the crazy one, Oats is the crazy one and marv knew it. So marv got rid of the crazy guy who would lynch him for the hell of it On October 09 2013 01:08 Holyflare wrote: You may have the traits of a towny but there is always that lingering suspicious nature about you. You were SO SURE about sloosh that when people (oats, risen, dirk etc.) were doing extra scum hunting that you thought it was funny and wouldn't participate. You effectively did not participate in an entire day because you "thought the game was solved". Here we are day 3, and the same scenario is coming down. The only reason that oats could be killed was to add further speculation about dirkzor making a desperation move, pretty simple play to make if you think about it coming from you it lets you sit back for an entire day again and not have to do anything but vote for dirkzor. This means that you don't have to do even more extra scum hunting compared to if you left oats alive. Oats was looking for scum, even through the trolling, he was pretty much the only one looking. Now, you can conveniently eliminate another day and as you've painted risen as your next target I presume he will be your choice for the day after. Everytime someone so much as mentions the word marv and scum in a sentence you flip out about how you are "the most town, and have progressed us through most of the game". Now, I'm not saying you are scum, I'm not saying you aren't. Of course I will filter dive you and see whether these feels are baseless or not. This is just a theory after all. Posted a while back, why not just reaaaddddd things and say that? This was all just discussed. | ||
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On October 10 2013 02:49 Dirkzor wrote: HF: Can you see youself lynch marv at any point? (When I flip town. Or if Risen flips town) If you even flip town (you probably won't) I will consider everyone, not just marv or risen. All over again. | ||
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His posts as mafia in apeture follow the sentiment of: follow around some things and lightly poke and prod. His longer posts are all quoting etc why people are pointing out wrong things (from a day 1 perspective at the moment) ie: + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Oh, okay. What has your other half done to earn your mistrust? Lol. Erm, yeah maybe it's alarming but if he's scum he'll have a hard time seeming to care throughout the game, right? and if he's town then we could use a vayne who cares, he's a decent scumhunter. Mainly this post gave me bad feelings about WoS And this with the same sentiment Just seems a bit useless to complain about activity so early in the game when all the euros are asleep. He's not actually forcing lurkers out of hiding or anything, since it's so early that would be dumb, so what purpose do these posts serve? I'd also like to say that the first post implies he thinks geript has been useful so far which is a weird thing to say. It's nothing strong, but I'm leaning scum on him which is more than I can say for anyone else this game. and + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah I can agree on that. Sure. Do you think scum enters the thread in a way that immediately draws everyone's attention to them? etc etc, it happens a lot. He is on the defensive, even whilst posting questioning statements that should be aggressive. Anyway, he answers posts with more questions towards people and pointing out the errors in peoples ways compared to his town play below. As town, in titanic you have things like: + Show Spoiler + On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not quite sure what that means. "looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread"? Could you explain? Anyway, disagree completely with your conclusion which you reached a full 7 minutes after I asked (excluding when you actually read my post and made your own) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy! Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point. Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy: + Show Spoiler + On July 27 2013 09:25 FirmTofu wrote: Okay, I'm back on a computer. This comes up every game. How scummy does someone have to be for you to want to lynch them over a lurker? You have to consider that lynching lurkers provides very little information whereas lynching scummy people might tell us a lot about how people are related to one another. On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote: To all of you that are out there... Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not? On July 27 2013 09:41 FirmTofu wrote: Personally, I think we should use it as a last resort. Lynch a lurker only if 1) Half the town is lurking or 2) All the active people look genuinely helpful/useful and none of them look like good lynches. Shitting on town, regardless of if you're being a hypocrite or not, is something scum love doing. Then there is the useless vote with an easy out, classic scum: "I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!" This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met. Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself. But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts: Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded. He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why? Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads. This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum. 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I ask for people's opinion on Tofu cause people are being active and I'm working on a case. I get a reply from you saying you think he looks town. So after finishing my case, I quote you, and I say: I DISAGREE BECAUSE ____________ *CASE* Are you feeling attacked? + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 01:15 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not buying it, I understand that argument when you cherrypick a 10 page filter but it was like 12 hours into the game or something. Anyway, other than Tofu? I dunno, there's a lot of people who have contributed nothing or the minimum and I'm kinda getting worried this is just gonna be a town on town shitfest. What makes you say vayne is town? I really don't know how to word it properly without you having to read it and some of the ones I spoilered aren't that great of an example. It's just an overall feel/sense that I get from his posting style, just seems SO different to me in subtle ways. 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You completely changed your mind going into this day since his time consuming effort though, even though that seemingly meant he was town. On October 11 2013 06:43 Clarity_nl wrote: I really don't know if it's risen or hf, leaning more towards hf now simply because of the sheer effort by risen. HF showed effort early but once he was in a comfortable spot (everyone reading him town) he slowed down. He still kinda looks townie to me but not as much as you or risen Effort by risen makes you lean towny on him and more scum on me but you're trying to convinve ME to swap. Yeh, no dice bro you're clutching at straws. | ||
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On October 12 2013 18:49 Clarity_nl wrote: Risen has pointed out plenty of things that "make everyone look scummy". That's what happens when you're scum and you don't care who gets lynched as long as it isn't you. Make giant case afk Rage when townie flips But you haven't pointed out much....? Where is risen now by the way I want to ask him some things. | ||
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Your whole case on rayn: + Show Spoiler + On October 04 2013 05:18 Risen wrote: Opening post makes no sense. Literally 0 sense. I have no idea what to make of it. More nonsense. This could go either way. Is he being sarcastic with his dundundun, or does he actually think it's reasonable? He could argue either way, and I hate posts that hedge. Trolling in a World Heavyweight Championship/useless filler. Makes total sense from a town perspective (it doesn't). It doesn't make too much sense from scum perspective either, HOWEVER, filler does make sense from a scum perspective. So I guess this is supposed to be his intro post? Wassup? A lot has happened in the thread at this point, how about saying something about it instead of asking a question to no one in particular. More filler. Meta posts are horrible, but it seems to me everyone else is saying this is town Oats. Why is rayn immediately coming into the thread with suspicion on Oats? Is it a hedge against a future oats flip? Is he just trying to take up space? (filler) Why don't you point out why he doesn't look like usual town oats? Oh. Sure. More filler. It's not even a directed question. It's just a "Hey guys anyone know what BH is doing? I haven't read the thread." But wait... He is caught up. He has read the thread. He knows as much as everyone else about what BH is doing. So why ask the question in the first place? In this same post we see he finally has something to say. Why didn't he just say that from the get go? Why not? Any reason? No reason given, no explanation. It's just filler and we're supposed to just take his reads. This is where it first seems to me that rayn knows too much. Does he know they're town? Or is he defending one of his scum team mates. Those are both bad. Sure, but why is it scummy? What about that post makes it scummy? What are you thinking? But you don't make posts unless you've read the thread already. So why do you need to look into him? This is just him taking time to think through his post instead of just giving his thoughts on Dirk. That's scummy. Bullshit. I'm the only one who knows I'm town. I HATE META POSTS. Why are you kinda sure? Why are you waiting for other people to ask you why I'm town, or to explain why I'm town? Why don't you just say why I'm town? Why are you holding these things back? Because you're scum. Why are you still droning on about this? Filler. This isn't pressuring at all. What's the point here? What do you think it means? It's pretty straightforwards. Filler. Holy shit it's a list post. For real? + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so. First my response to BH: My activity is not alignment indicative. I know i have not done much, because i have not had time to do stuff. That doesn't make me scum. BH's RNG bullshit (which i am going to go into next) has taken basically all my time in this game. I can't let go of something i don't understand, and everything else has been easily understandable in this game. Also BH saying i have been here is wrong. It's just wrong, because it is not true. I have been here when i have been posting, when i have not been posting i have not been here. Then the RNG bullshit: First of all, how this shit started. In his first posts BH proposes Oats RNG lynch. Guess what. After this it's not a random lynch any more. It's "lynch Oatsmaster who Blazinghand randomized". I can't believe that shit went on and on for pages and i can't believe BH really somehow got a scumread on Oats for it. Oats was being totally reasonable in my opinion, called out bad stuff (HF's post and BH's behaviour). There was nothing wrong with it. Yet Blazinghand kept going on and on with that. So what do we have here: Blazinghand: Proposing random lynch the way he did is bad. Could town!BH do it? Probably yes. Would town!BH go on with it and then call Oats scum for flimsy reasons? I have no fucking idea. I especially didn't like his response to Oats when Oats said "i do this all the time as town and never as scum". I even pointed out the post by BH earlier on in thread. That to me seems like "even if people come and say this is what Oats does as town i still have my reasons to lynch him". Being bad =/= being scum. Also Oats was not being bad, he was being reasonable. Oats: Comes out looking best from that shitfest. HolyFlare: That's not a randomlynch for him. It's not, there is no reason to vote for Oats because it's random. No. Risen: His comments were reasonable and his vote was perfectly fine. As for my reads (from towniest to scummiest): marv: This is the marv i like. He's taken the leader position in town and is doing a good job. Pointing out stuff that's bad and having clear stances on things. I would still love to hear his read on BH (i mean, a read with reasoning), because i have not seen much of content from BH. Risen: I liked his stance on the RNG thingy. I liked his vote on HolyFlare. I dunno why he unvoted HF, could you explain that Risen? I liked some things in his case on Clarity, and the case itself to me tells much more about Risen than it tells about Clarity. It mirrors the mindset Risen had in GoT, almost perfectly. There is a lot of stuff he looks form different angle than anyone else. Oatsmaster: Seems like towny!Oats to me. I found his posting during the RNG shitfest weird, as i pointed out before. But all in all he's having a clear thought process and putting his thoughts out there when pressured (marv -- Oats a while ago). If Oats was scum it would be easy to hide behind his playstyle (where he just calls people scum or town and never explains anything for real), this game he needs to be made explain his thoughts, and so far he has succeeded. Clarity: Clarity looked good early on in the game. I can see where he is coming from with his comment on BH being a cool guy (although i don't agree with it - gamewise :p). Clarity now that i have actually understood the early game could you tell me what was good in the RNG discussion? Yes it did produce content, but imo it did produce content that was based on false premises. After this Clarity asks a lot of questions and does not provide conclusions. I can somehow see what he concludes but still, he's not explaining it. I don't like his stance on BH, i like his case on Dirk. HolyFlare: I don't like his vote still being on Oats. Afaik i understand it's because of RNG, which is not in fact rng for him. Other than that he has made some good observations, then nothing. BlazingHand: This guy is pretty much impossible to read for me. Basically he does whatever he does and to me it feels like all the important stuff he tries to say is hidden in a big pile of words. I don't know where his head is at (besides him voting for me, but that's another thing). I don't know why he finds Risen/HF scummy, and his reasons for Oats being scummy are bad. As for now, he apparently doesn't like anyone besides marv... Sloosh: Scummy. I don't understand his townread on Dirk. Says he will get to Risen & HF when he has time. Never follows that up. Then votes for Clarity with his -- apparenly -- scumread Risen. Dirkzor: Horrible opening post. Horrible follow up. Then he says he wants to lynch me or Sloosh, i don't see any reasons from him. When the thread sentiment turns into "Sloosh looks bad" (Clarity voting for him etc.), THEN he places his vote on Sloosh. Best lynch. ##Vote: Dirkzor My comments were reasonable and perfectly fine? No they weren't. I bitched out of the thread because, as usual, no one wants to listen to me except marv who listens to everybody. Where the hell does this Dirk thing come from? Why does it take you this long to finally want to vote Dirk? You talked about him way earlier. Nothing has changed except Sloosh stuff. The person you find scummy. You find him SO SCUMMY, in fact, that he's a scum read for you, but wtf? He voted sloosh. So he's bussing his teammate d1? You find him scummy for voting sloosh who is also a scum read for you? I can't wrap my head around it, it makes no sense. Back to his defense of me now. This is so scummy. This is what I do. You know how I play. Fair enough, I've played quit a few games of TL mafia both as scum and as town. Hedging now. Before you were pretty sure, now I'm not surely town. And in the post directly after saying you know how I play, you say you have never seen any of my scum games. You haven't read anything of me as scum, but you just said you know how I play. That is a huge contradiction. Now you need to look into my recent 3P game (what happened with that?) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gmeIMih.jpg) Sea of grillz where rayn starts asking a million questions instead of just analyzing posts. There are times when someone should question, and you know what? You can probably throw out as many questions as you want as long as you've done your own work to answer the questions you are asking. Rayn doesn't do that, though. He asks for everyone's opinion on everything, but doesn't give the answers to his own questions. So instead of analysis, we see rayn filling the thread with spammed questions and he grills people. I think this post is especially telling. When I read it I couldn't believe someone actually said this. Impatience? This game has 48 hour days. Patience is a required trait. Beyond that, someone who is town will raise their questions when they come to them. They don't wait to see that the person is in the thread and then ask them. And maybe town players occasionally do this thing called scum hunting. Where is yours? A list post is not scum hunting. Grilling people and asking a million questions is not scum hunting. Scum hunting requirtes analysis of people's posts, and Rayn is not doing that. He's posting largely filler, largely defenses of people he shouldn't be dfending, and a list post. Will he/we? You've come to no conclusions in the past, why should you now? Because transparency is a bad thing. This is you openly saying, "I'm laying a trap, the trap doesn't work if I tell you guys how I'm laying it." So what's the point of your trap now? Nit picking aimlessly. Don't like the response to your nit pick and get called on it? Just say the person is making up their reasons. This is so slimy. I don't see Holyflare as flip-flopping here. When I woke up and was reading through the thread in one go I caught this. Why are you trying to paint his changing of his mind as flip-flopping? Why is changing your mind a bvad thing? See new evidence? Change your mind. Worried about looking like scum? Don't be. It's in town's best interests for you to be as honest as possible. The only people who concern themselves with changing their mind are scum. Probably because this is the second person you've voted on that you think is potentially bussing their team mate without voting sloosh. Are you bouncing around everyone BUT sloosh because he's your team mate? How about you call him on what the actual problem with his post was? Holyflare is new and doesn't know everyone's meta, but he's making a meta read on you. Why is your first concern that he's not seeing your meta correctly? This hyper-self-awareness is scummy as hell. Regardless, I'm so tired of this HF/rayn battle, I hope something new comes up. Rayn does seem pretty convinced about his HF read now, though. Oh. Just kidding. Reasoning? What? So you are going back to your earlier reads and dropping the HF entirely while still managing to completely avoid the person in the lead right now who is sloosh and who you have already found scummy. Is the game really this easy? Whaaaa?! Where the hell did I come into this? Now your defense of me is that I haven't been around and you don't want to lynch me because of that? What happened to your town read on me? We're supposed to believe that you're just giving up your vote and potentially moving it to a town read because you're leaving? I get having to be away, I've been away from the thread a LOT. I'm becoming very busy. That doesn't mean I'm willing to lynch a town read, though. Just confirming I'm a town read here... that you are willing to lynch... I had to rush this a bit because I have to leave, but raynpelikoneet knows too much about me without actually knowing anything about my play, his filter is filled with filler, he's willing to lynch a town read, and he's been dodging a sloosh lynch the entire game in spite of sloosh being a scum read earlier and sloosh leading in votes. Half of it is revolving on the fact that people are voting sloosh and he isn't. This makes him scummy for not voting sloosh etc etc. Therefore you come to the conclusion that sloosh is most probably his scum partner or a town that he doesn't want to lynch as you said here: On October 04 2013 06:08 Risen wrote: No, it's more I'm saying rayn either is protecting his scum buddy our knows sloosh is town and won't place his vote on him. That's a big difference How did you actually decide what alignment sloosh ended up being? You quite clearly decided he was town as you dropped everything on him and pursued other targets. Why? | ||
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On October 13 2013 07:36 Risen wrote: And why is that? Because you're unwilling to put in any effort? You vote clarity i sheep i win, i agree with clairty lynch you and win? That's what he is implying | ||
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On October 13 2013 07:40 Risen wrote: And yet I was the only one making cases on him and questioning his play. I'm the only one who has been transparent this game. I tell everyone how I'm thinking so people can see my thought process because that is pro town. When I talk I speak plainly. I answer people who speak to me, even if I rage. I scum hunt. You know what pisses me off? If you're town you're riding all my work to a town victory and you don't deserve it. If you're scum you're blatantly fucking with me and Clarity in the thread. What have you done this game HF? Where have you pushed anything? But then what has Clarity done? If Clarity were dead and marv was alive I would have written a case on you today. Not sure if serious or not. I was pushing oats ALL OF THE NIGHT BEFORE HE DIED. The only reason rayn is dead is because he was my joint top scum read and i made it possible. I already voiced why I didn't like oats multiple times. The more i looked at it the more town he was though, scum hunting on you when everyone was afking the sloosh lynch etc etc. I know you've said you read the game so why don't you know that? | ||
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On October 13 2013 07:52 Risen wrote: I can almost understand this, except how would you know for certainty they were scum? Even as town with someone I am lynching 100% I'm still looking for things other people are doing. Even with major scum read on Oats I had one on marv. Even with major read on marv I still looked into dirk. I have hunted this game, and you haven't. You've been extremely superficial, that's what I mean when I say you don't put in effort. You go scan a filter of someone else's game and go metareadlololol. Fuck meta, meta is SUPPORT. You build a case on someone and if there's supporting evidence from another game THEN you can bring it up. It isn't, this guy's meta matches his play here, scum. That's a cop out and you're bound to fuck up. Everytime i have used meta this game it's to support a case. I was sure on sloosh so didn't say much that day. Dirk i wasn't sure about and was pressuring oats and marv, no idea how you can't see that in my filter. Meta even got rid of my scum read on marv. Oh yeh meta totally sucked there. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:08 Clarity_nl wrote: It usually takes two hours longer? Whatever, it doesn't really mean anything I was just curious if you were typing like a maniac from your phone which would be amusing I r writing from phone too | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:14 Risen wrote: I clearly just said I read up to where I was, then decided to make a case. It wasn't JUST him calling me town. It was that combined with an avoidance of sloosh in spite of the thread actively talking about sloosh around him. Well that's where it makes 0 sense. If sloosh was his partner, sure he'd avoid talking about it. If sloosh was town ray would just talk about him. So how is it you don't want sloosh lynched the next day.. Surely he's rays scum partner?? Misrepresentation argument is bad because marv misread it which was obvious from what he was posting, just like you Misread BH's rng post but portrayed me and him as not RNGing. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:20 Clarity_nl wrote: You're scum, switching to holy is dumb because it'll make holy think I'm scum. If it comes down to the last minutes and you're willing to switch to holy I will. But swearing that I'm scum, then swearing that holy is scum, then swearing that I'm scum again shows that you don't care about who gets lynched. If you were town you would try to convince holyflare that I'm scum when he votes you. This can also mean he has no idea and will lynch the person doing scummy shit, this is what I was looking for with my trolling. | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:22 Risen wrote: Like how do you go from wiffle waffle HF/Risen scum last night, to only having a case that's a TL;DR on me while still managing to be horribly misrepresentative? Because I scum hunted? Because I actually went and made a case? That's what creams scum to you?I refuse to think you went through HF's filter and found nothing scummy about it that you would be forced to misrepresent me like you have. He's now willing to vote me if you do... | ||
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On October 13 2013 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote: As I said early today. Risen gets away with a lot of stuff as scum. I could go back and point it all out, but it wouldn't make HIM scum, because he's crazy. Plus his lylo play has been most telling anyway, and should convince you You should be pointing out things in case i miss them | ||
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On October 13 2013 10:14 Blazinghand wrote: the worst part is this is mostly my fault. It's not really at all, we all have our own brains. I for one was busy all week and slipped into a lul after day 1 of not really analysing as much as I should have. People gave up way too easily and overall it was finding scum amongst scummy tendencies. | ||
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On October 14 2013 00:43 Risen wrote: It means don't try to make big plays as town Gotta play for the fans. Also, the lying/you wanting to quit tl at the end is the only reason that i was going to vote you again. | ||
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On October 15 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Anyway, obviously when I said some stuff in a temper tantrum and I'm sorry if I offended you Risen. I still think you're deluded, but you played with what you had and you did it well. Is there anyone willing to give me some constructive criticism on my play this game? I dunno man, the only thing I can criticise having not played with you before is the fact that you sheep with town. It makes it hard overall to determine what you are. I mean that sure, you can get the flavour of town but then you'd never know truthfully if you were mafia or town end game. I guess it's more of just making accusatory posts. Like more cases I guess? I mean I get how you play now so it wouldn't be a problem to do what you do in other games with me from now on. | ||
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