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I'm not saying it was good play rayn, I'm saying it's possible townie play.
And I'm not saying what's more likely. I'm saying that it's possible and you're saying it's impossible. There's a fucking OCEAN of difference. I don't know what's more likely, that's what I want to talk to people who don't have their minds made up about the situation about.
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On October 09 2013 08:35 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It does not work anymore because Pandain died. Scum are in a fucking bad spot. Especially how the discussion has gone at the start of tody. As soon as i saw Pandain being the last banger i knew Vayne is town. There is no other explanation.
If you gun hard for other mafia team's people, they might kill you. You want to hold hands and stay silent and not disturb them because it helps you more (see Palmar for example) as you kill townies together, and when the time is right you win the game with one big blow. Since Vayne and Pandain are on different teams, Vayne would not have known 100% that Pandain was the scum. That is unless they somehow communicated. Looking at how the payphone thing went, it's pretty apparent that they didn't communicate, and their reads on who's mafia are quite unreliable. This makes it reasonable for Vayne to push onto Pandain. I am doing the exact same thing by pushing onto Vayne turn after turn. By using the same logic, if I think that he is the last banger and I am a part of the other scumteam, then I wouldn't try to push him. You can read all my pushes onto Vayne. Does it seem like I knew 100% that Pandain was the last mafia, so that I push onto Vayne, who I think is 100% town?
Can you explain what you mean by the bolded?
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On October 09 2013 08:35 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It does not work anymore because Pandain died. Scum are in a fucking bad spot. Especially how the discussion has gone at the start of tody. As soon as i saw Pandain being the last banger i knew Vayne is town. There is no other explanation.
If you gun hard for other mafia team's people, they might kill you. You want to hold hands and stay silent and not disturb them because it helps you more (see Palmar for example) as you kill townies together, and when the time is right you win the game with one big blow. Since Vayne and Pandain are on different teams, Vayne would not have known 100% that Pandain was the scum. That is unless they somehow communicated. Looking at how the payphone thing went, it's pretty apparent that they didn't communicate, and their reads on who's mafia are quite unreliable. This makes it reasonable for Vayne to push onto Pandain. I am doing the exact same thing by pushing onto Vayne turn after turn. By using the same logic, if I think that he is the last banger and I am a part of the other scumteam, then I wouldn't try to push him. You can read all my pushes onto Vayne. Does it seem like I knew 100% that Pandain was the last mafia, so that I push onto Vayne, who I think is 100% town?
RAY ANSWER THIS. WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THE BOLDED STATEMENT?
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On October 09 2013 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 08:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 09 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 09 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 09 2013 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not even read what you wrote because if you fakeclaimed scum it's beyond stupid.
You very well know what is wise and what is not as you have played in the clusterfuck Noire. He's just taking a page out of YOUR book, Rayn. Do you see what kind of precedent you set? I may have fakeclaimed, but i do not claim fucking scum! If you claim scum it affects people's reads. Also nobody will ever trust you again in this game. That's all you get for claiming scum as town. There is no way anyone should ever claim scum as town "to not get shot" or "to get someone else shot". This is fucking bullshit. I don't really see a difference. You don't think the more you do it, that people aren't going to be able to trust anything YOU say because you're setting up some retarded trap? This is the perfect example of why you don't fucking lie as town. Holy shit WoS, are you scum? Seriously. You put fakeclaiming and lying as town in the same category of claiming scum, when there are zero advantages to do so as town. Dude says he has a big post of reads. "Post it". Takes an hour, apparently he typed the post up there. Pressure on. Cracks under pressure. What's next. HE DECIDES THAT HIS BEST CHANCE AS TOWN TO HELP THE TOWN IS TO CLAIM SCUM! ROFLSKATES!
Yeah in this light it seems ridiculous. If he were town planning to fake-claim, why not do so BEFORE posting the big ass post? Why not be like "Fuck okay this is too much you guys got me good job" and left it at that until today? Why go to the trouble of posting the reads, interact a bit, THEN go through with his fake-claim plan?
##Vote: ChairmanRay
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I like how you said that two members of a three-man scumteam claiming scum is good play, even as you sniff it out and lynch them in rapid succession.
Rayn your mind is ever a mystery.
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Austin not being here is extremely damning to me. Like, he wasn't around leading up to the day post, he popped in to say "lol not me" and then is gone again.
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Right when all the important shit is being discussed. Now that Ray has claimed for real I'm tempted to leave him for last so I can be a part of the important lynch. What say you guys?
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Yes it's possible. It's possible that Bangers were the team with 2kp and used both of them last night and Ballers have 2kp after doing DB last night.
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In fact...it's probable. Now that I'm sitting here thinking about it, that might be why scum claimed yesterday...to ensure that we didn't lynch the Banger - because they knew that they weren't the team that Drove-By.
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On October 09 2013 11:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 11:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:10 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 05:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
actually this game is a lot easier then I realized. Mr.CC has had a townread on me the entire game, if he ever changes that at some point lynch him. If he is cool with never lynching me then he's town obviously unless I die at night. lul This is a gross generalization of my read on you early game. Where have I indicated that I have a townread on you the entire game? The only time I can remember is when I switched to lynch Palmar, because I thought he was scummier than you. And why if I change that read does it make me mafia? Makes no sense. because shackling yourself to me is beneficial only as town. Extremely non-beneficial as scum. If you are town you have no problem making a pact with me; if you are scum you need the possibility of mislynching me. Wtf? I'm town. I don't know your alignment. Why would I shackle myself to somebody who I don't know is town??? Look at noire. I didn't want to shackle myself to no-fucking body, even marv or Yamato who were blates town. You're suggesting that I auto-assume you are town and just roll with it. That's so bad, like so bad. its actually quite good since we don't have to worry about each other and you get the better end of the deal since everyone knows im town. You would only be a threat at lylo at that point. By not taking the deal you just make me want to lynch you since you are keeping your options open. Keeping my options open?? I have 3 people. 2 are town, 1 is scum. Not considering you is absolutely terrible play. I can't just slap a sticker on someone that says "100% town here" and keep that the rest of the game. I'm paranoid because I don't know alignments. When I'm mafia I just pick people and yell at them until they die because I'm never wrong in the end, and somehow people think that's townie because I'm being consistent.
No one is saying you can't consider him. He's just saying that if you conclude that he's scum, NO U.
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On October 09 2013 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 11:25 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:10 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 05:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
actually this game is a lot easier then I realized. Mr.CC has had a townread on me the entire game, if he ever changes that at some point lynch him. If he is cool with never lynching me then he's town obviously unless I die at night. lul This is a gross generalization of my read on you early game. Where have I indicated that I have a townread on you the entire game? The only time I can remember is when I switched to lynch Palmar, because I thought he was scummier than you. And why if I change that read does it make me mafia? Makes no sense. because shackling yourself to me is beneficial only as town. Extremely non-beneficial as scum. If you are town you have no problem making a pact with me; if you are scum you need the possibility of mislynching me. Wtf? I'm town. I don't know your alignment. Why would I shackle myself to somebody who I don't know is town??? Look at noire. I didn't want to shackle myself to no-fucking body, even marv or Yamato who were blates town. You're suggesting that I auto-assume you are town and just roll with it. That's so bad, like so bad. its actually quite good since we don't have to worry about each other and you get the better end of the deal since everyone knows im town. You would only be a threat at lylo at that point. By not taking the deal you just make me want to lynch you since you are keeping your options open. Keeping my options open?? I have 3 people. 2 are town, 1 is scum. Not considering you is absolutely terrible play. I can't just slap a sticker on someone that says "100% town here" and keep that the rest of the game. I'm paranoid because I don't know alignments. When I'm mafia I just pick people and yell at them until they die because I'm never wrong in the end, and somehow people think that's townie because I'm being consistent. well if you've been following the game it is really obvious im town at this point. if you can't accept that you can join austin in the list of needs to die asap I'm paranoid of everybody. Just like people still think I'm scum even after I outed s0lstice, because "I made a huge play and faked the payphone call from my mafia buddy" I don't get in what universe this makes sense in.
A universe in which 2 of a three man scum team claim scum in as many days Cheese.
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On October 09 2013 11:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 11:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 09 2013 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:25 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
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lul This is a gross generalization of my read on you early game. Where have I indicated that I have a townread on you the entire game? The only time I can remember is when I switched to lynch Palmar, because I thought he was scummier than you. And why if I change that read does it make me mafia? Makes no sense. because shackling yourself to me is beneficial only as town. Extremely non-beneficial as scum. If you are town you have no problem making a pact with me; if you are scum you need the possibility of mislynching me. Wtf? I'm town. I don't know your alignment. Why would I shackle myself to somebody who I don't know is town??? Look at noire. I didn't want to shackle myself to no-fucking body, even marv or Yamato who were blates town. You're suggesting that I auto-assume you are town and just roll with it. That's so bad, like so bad. its actually quite good since we don't have to worry about each other and you get the better end of the deal since everyone knows im town. You would only be a threat at lylo at that point. By not taking the deal you just make me want to lynch you since you are keeping your options open. Keeping my options open?? I have 3 people. 2 are town, 1 is scum. Not considering you is absolutely terrible play. I can't just slap a sticker on someone that says "100% town here" and keep that the rest of the game. I'm paranoid because I don't know alignments. When I'm mafia I just pick people and yell at them until they die because I'm never wrong in the end, and somehow people think that's townie because I'm being consistent. well if you've been following the game it is really obvious im town at this point. if you can't accept that you can join austin in the list of needs to die asap I'm paranoid of everybody. Just like people still think I'm scum even after I outed s0lstice, because "I made a huge play and faked the payphone call from my mafia buddy" I don't get in what universe this makes sense in. A universe in which 2 of a three man scum team claim scum in as many days Cheese. Are people this afraid of my mafia play? Dat reputation.
Are you saying it's not earned?
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If I were Sent that picture would be more than enough to just end the game now with whatever faction that you belong to as the winner.
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On October 09 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Hey Sent, Can we has 24h day plox? I offer you this MSPaint drawing as tribute.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rpZFPgA.png) +1
IF you're so eager for it to be over, why not just concede? I mean, you seem to have doubts as to who the final scum is, why are you +1'ing sentiment to end the day early?
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On October 09 2013 11:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 11:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 09 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Hey Sent, Can we has 24h day plox? I offer you this MSPaint drawing as tribute. +1 IF you're so eager for it to be over, why not just concede? I mean, you seem to have doubts as to who the final scum is, why are you +1'ing sentiment to end the day early? ? CR is confirmed mafia. We have all of the night and tomorrow to decide who to lynch in addition to the time today.
My point is that you're aiming to forgo "the time today" by +1'ing Wave's sentiment. HE'S okay with shorter days because HE thinks that you're the final scum. YOU on the other hand are going to great lengths to appear unsure about the final lynch.
There's a cognitive disconnect between the two mindsets is what I'm getting at.
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But it's not that you're sure and want to know if you're right or wrong, your attesting that you don't know - that you're paranoid of everyone. A townie would want NAY!! NEEEED!!! that time to figure out their reads.
To me it just looks like you're trying to look like a townie by doing what the townies are doing. It stanks.
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Punk music is the devil's music. Hang, scum.
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On October 09 2013 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 10:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hihi
Haven't read anything since my last post right after the lynch. Checked who died. Anything cool happen? The timing of this post is kinda interesting. What do you guys think?
I think it's interesting that he says he checked who died AND he asked if anything cool happened. Like he's going to great lengths to say "Hey I have definitely NOT been following along AT ALL. FOR SURE.
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Like, Pandain the last Banger died, was that not cool enough for him?
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Yeah I'm fully down with lynching Cheese before Austin unless Austin literally doesn't come back. And even then, it's meh.
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