EPTTL Mafia Ban List 2.0 - Page 9
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Message GMarshal if you request a ban please ^_^ Also when the game you're sitting out is over! ~GMarshal | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13922 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
 AKA BH dropping the knowledge bombs. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On November 07 2013 05:28 StorrZerg wrote: so because people screw up gives you the right to be a jerk and screw around as well cool ill remember that. I wouldn't be complaining if i didn't feel that i was treated poorly and unfairly. I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I'm saying: you should either officially contest your warning or stop posting in this thread, because simply complaining about the modkill won't cause it to go away. The game is over, you can't get un modkilled. If you want to get unwarned, say so and make a case for it, and people may listen. If you think ange777 shoudl be removed from the host list, I'm not sure what the process for that but it's definitely not "complain in the ban list thread and not explicitly ask for anything" | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9857 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On November 07 2013 05:39 Grackaroni wrote: As far as I'm aware we don't normally punish hosts; they're doing us a favor by hosting games for our own enjoyment. I'm sure it could be argued that Ange modkilled you unfairly and that she should have warned you instead, but in the end it is her game and her rules. If you are unhappy with her hosting then there are still plenty of other games you may join. This is basically my point; just said a lot nicer. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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istandwithmitt
Brazil117 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
My apologies to the hosts and other players. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
1 game ban for cephiro for inactivity modkill 1 game ban for hzflank for quitting no punishment for ET-- he had a good reason | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 15 2013 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think self-voting is ban-worthy. There's a case to be made for it being bad play, or even reprehensible to some players, but it's a playstyle thing ultimately. The reality is that the player in question can't lynch himself alone, so his vote on himself can't be considered "playing against one's win-con". The very notion is subjective anyway - you could say the same about someone making bad DT checks or protecting obvious scum. Should these players be punished as well? I think not, and I think players voting for the wrong person should not be punished either. Voting for the wrong person happens. If you were to vote an Innocent Child, I would consider it the same thing as voting yourself as town, as far as breaching win-conditions. I dont think the notion is subjective in the slightest, unless you are playing a bastard mod game, as you know you are town and you are actively helping to commit suicide. If it were everything up to but STOPPING at voting yourself, I wouldn't have a problem. Anything else I could consider as 'following a read', something that I would consider subjective, but more importantly something that should not be punishable. On November 15 2013 07:54 Blazinghand wrote: onegus play is not against the rules. I explicitly allow self vote in that OP. But I guess dems the rules, though I dont like it. Also I don't want to get anyone banned here. I personally feel it justifies a warn but obviously its not my decision. In-game there was some discussion about how scum self voting can be used for tactical advantage. I just dont see it for townies to gain any tactical advantage by suiciding. It falls in line with the rule about not getting yourself modkilled to me. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
You're arguing for banning for bad play. Like, take your example. If there's a scum who is skilled enough to convince town to vote for an IC, I don't want him to be hobbled by rules stating that's not allowed. Similarly, if there's a scum aware enough of someone's meta to recognize when they're wont to vote for themselves, making them look bad and perhaps getting others to follow suit, I don't want him to be hobbled by rules stating that's not allowed. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On November 15 2013 08:16 Blazinghand wrote: also given that a nolynch was conceivably possible and would be very bad for town, onegu did the manly and righteous thing and voted for himself. we are not gonna punish him for doing what he thought was best rofl THAT'S SO FUCKING MANLY AND RIGHTEOUS!!! | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On November 15 2013 07:23 Blazinghand wrote: Witchcraft Mini Mafia bans 1 game ban for cephiro for inactivity modkill 1 game ban for hzflank for quitting no punishment for ET-- he had a good reason Approved On November 15 2013 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think self-voting is ban-worthy. There's a case to be made for it being bad play, or even reprehensible to some players, but it's a playstyle thing ultimately. The reality is that the player in question can't lynch himself alone, so his vote on himself can't be considered "playing against one's win-con". The very notion is subjective anyway - you could say the same about someone making bad DT checks or protecting obvious scum. Should these players be punished as well? I think not, and I think players voting for the wrong person should not be punished either. I basically agree with this, while self voting is usually awful play, the rules allow it, and there are situations where it *might* be the correct play, (PYP II where Kenpachi had a role that could shoot when it died, and he could have potentially salvaged the game by self voting.), basically my thought is, if you don't want players self voting, don't allow for it in the rules. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
I agree in theory with "if you don't want players self voting, don't allow for it in the rules", but I would caution against banning it. Yes, it is always a hot-button issue when it happens, but unless things have drastically changed in the last couple months that I haven't been paying close attention, it doesn't come up that often. | ||
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