Golden Sun: The Broken Seal Mini Mafia - Page 104

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 21:59 GMT

#2061

Ok. Seems like the red smurf is not answering. But partly why I think PS is scum.

When he was still smurfing. (And this only lasted for 3 pages lol)
1) He was easy to read. Nice pressure on Vayne + SnB.

2) He started asking questions about Kush to VA. While Kush had said nothing at all. This wouldn't be a problem if Mr smurf didn't know who Kush was, but surprise surprise, 200 posts later he is still on Kush.
So now I want to know if Debears can really read Kush. If he can't, he is scum.
and because I think Kush is town ---> Debears is likely scum.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 22:02 GMT

#2062

So yeah, if you can link me to Kush games in which he spams. Please let me know, it must be more than 3 months ago.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 22:07 GMT

#2063

hmm, it's more because we didn't know who mr smurf was than the fact that mr smurf knew who kush was.
But now that we know, I need to know if kush was once a spammer.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 22:21 GMT

#2064

On September 13 2013 02:58 Papa_Smurf wrote:

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So, you are going to base all of kush's townplay off of one game he played really well in and hold him to that standard? That doesn't make sense. That game is an outlier for him.

@Everyone
Kush is not unreadable in any way. He's hard to read, but he has scum tells that differ from his town game. He should not be vig shot. He should be lynched if his posting continues the way it does.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 22:24 GMT

#2065

On September 13 2013 07:32 Papa_Smurf wrote:

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On September 13 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 13 2013 07:29 Papa_Smurf wrote:

On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair.

5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead?

5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?).

6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense!

On September 12 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:

On September 12 2013 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually why everyone of those?

Reasons are in the thread.
SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target.
WoS for general uselessness.
Pandain for worst opening post.
Goodkarma, not impressed.

I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread.
I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him.
How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least..
What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense.

On September 12 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because Vayne has explained his read on SnB. The question should not be "how can you be so sure" because that's what Vayne has told already. The question is pointless, Vayne has strong meta-reasons to think SnB is town. Does this make him town or scum is a valid question?

Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town?

I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw).

I said in this thread multiple times that 1) I like OP his posts 2) I don't like Pandain his opening post. How is that not an answer to your question? Why do you even ask that question...

Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's.

Whatever happened to all this:

"I think SnB is town" stuff
"vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff

If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect?

Because my read on SnB changed after his horrible hit-and-run entrance an hour ago. I just explained it to Koshi.

So you spent all that time defending VA and SnB, yet you suddenly lose all of it for one post?

That doesn't make any sense at all

Might show a mindset that you "need" to keep consistent about your scumreads? So he is faking his scumread on kush trough this entire game because PS thinks that not doing so is scummy?

But anyway, unless PS can prove to me with his "sexy" meta reads that kush is scum I think he has been faking is scumread on kush since the start of this game.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 22:32 GMT

#2066

Then there is the fact that PS quality of posts when he is talking set-up speculation (see his post about the NK) or his defense of the kush case is way better and readable than his scumhunting posts. You can read that he has interesting ideas, there is some level of smartness coming from it.

The one-line scumhunting is just being agressive and there is nothing smart to read behind his scumhunt posts. (Early in the game he had smart questions to VA, now it is just bad questions.) The big post he did before Day 2 was really bad and everybody ended up with a scumread. "this I like about you" "this I don't like about you"
I am pretty sure he knew that post was so shitty he didn't bother formatting it better.

These are the main reasons. Is my vote now justified?

Grackaroni

United States9832 Posts

September 15 2013 22:55 GMT

#2067

I'm just going to come out and claim because I think the information will be more beneficial for town at this point.

I am Donpa and I am a veteran. Considering there was only one night kill and it was WoS (likely by SK) I am 95% sure that I was the one hit by scum last night. (I asked the hosts and I am not informed whether I lose my night life or not)

We are moving in the wrong direction

Why would Debears shoot me if he was scum??/ There's absolutely no reason. I had a strong town read on him and we were agreeing with pretty much everything in the game! he would definitely leave me alive

I think that my being shot points much more heavily towards Zealos being scum, he was absolutely going to be my choice for day 2 lynch before WoS the night post made it exponentially more likely for BH to be SK.

What I think happened with the night kills is that BH (SK) killed WoS and that the missing scum KP went to me. I still think BH is the right lynch for today but I think this is important information for town, Debears is unlikely to be scum, we should lynch BH and then Zealos.

I know I posted that at the start of the game that I am town but I had planned to try the Kenpachi rule before I got my role so it wasn't alignment indicative. My plan was to make some trollish posts early along with the Kenpachi thing and see if I could catch some inexperienced scum trying to use those things to make an early case for town cred. (The Kenpachi rule has been proven to work an extremely high percentage of the time.) Unfortunately no scum jumped on it like I thought they would.

I have been trying much harder than I normally do as townie because I wanted to distinguish myself as a night 1 hit.

I never went out of my way to breadcrumb my role, which is probably a good thing because a lot of scum hunt for breadcrumbs, but I had an accidental slip after the night post.

On September 15 2013 07:01 Grackaroni wrote:
SQUM

I wrote this immediately about BH even though there was only 1 death because I believed that the reason there was only one kill wasn't because there was no SK but because mafia tried to hit me and failed.

On September 15 2013 07:27 Grackaroni wrote:
Actually with only 1 death, S&B's awesome crumb must have been wrong. BH is SQUM

Later I got a little paranoid that Mafia could figure out that I thought that I knew I was hit from still thinking there was a SK with only 1 death and that it would be better if they thought I was protected by a doctor to discourage them from shooting me again for a while so I posted this. What would it matter if I was making town believe that he was more likely mafia than SK, he's a good lynch regardless.

I'm not going to post my role PM because I don't want mafia to know the exact details of how my role works but please consider this post and this likely night action when scum hunting. I think it can go a long way into helping us solve the game.

tldr. Debears is a bad lynch today, Zealos is a good lynch for tomorrow.

Grackaroni

United States9832 Posts

September 15 2013 22:56 GMT

#2068

@Koshi, I have seen a game in the past where Kush said, I promise will not spam this time! There actually was once a time when Kush was considered a spammer.

Old Partner

United States274 Posts

September 15 2013 23:00 GMT

#2069

grack PS/DB scumteam anyone?

##vote Papa_Smurf

Grackaroni

United States9832 Posts

September 15 2013 23:06 GMT

#2070

On September 16 2013 08:00 Old Partner wrote:
grack PS/DB scumteam anyone?

##vote Papa_Smurf

If I was scum I would have a much better way of defending Debaers then that. I wouldn't be comfortable fake claiming in the first place but even if I was I would think it would be a cop claim...

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 23:11 GMT

#2071

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Are you really claiming veteran?

Fuck this game.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 23:15 GMT

#2072

I am really upset atm.

How fucking big is your ego that you think that you got hit instead of a succesful doc.

And then multiply that ego by 10 because you are going to apply wifom to the nightkill because they shot you because you were right about the scummers?

That rarely happens. Most of the times they shoot people that are wrong or w.e

Grackaroni

United States9832 Posts

September 15 2013 23:15 GMT

#2073

On September 16 2013 08:11 Koshi wrote:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Are you really claiming veteran?

Fuck this game.

I really don't think I chose a bad time to claim... the information is useful.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 23:17 GMT

#2074

They even got a RB and you claim vet. What a bunch of bullshit.

You have better asked that RB wouldn't prevent you getting 1 shot.

Because now you will get shot and we will know nothing about SnB his claim being legit.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 23:17 GMT

#2075

On September 16 2013 08:15 Grackaroni wrote:

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I really don't think I chose a bad time to claim... the information is useful.

And no the information isn't useful.

The fucking reason why I am on PS and not on OP is because I want to promote discussion and not let 48 hours go to waste because every fucker in here is voting on OP.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 23:18 GMT

#2076

woopiefuckingdoo you got a townread on PS.

better claim veteran!!!!!

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 15 2013 23:19 GMT

#2077

I knew you had a townread on him before you claimed and I had a townread on you.

Like wtf changes now?

I also guessed WoS wasn't shot by scummers.

Like you bring nothing new to the table.