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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 26 2013 08:51 GMT
#71
/in

My last newbie
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 27 2013 11:09 GMT
#74
/out

Motorcycle accident, in hospital...

/obs
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 27 2013 16:39 GMT
#80
On August 27 2013 22:14 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 20:09 LoneMeow wrote:
/out

Motorcycle accident, in hospital...

/obs

=(

Get better soon!


I'm mostly okay, considering, Should be no permanent damage. Broken rib & collarbone, might need that collarbone operated. Got my laptop here, might even re-in once I know the timeline for near future a bit better.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 28 2013 15:02 GMT
#84
On August 28 2013 23:44 infii wrote:
Just out of curiousity how did the accident happen?
Luckily I didn't have any accidents with my bike yet.


I was riding a relatively twisty backroad, checking the route for a group ride. 80kph zone and I was doing about 70, engine braking through a blind medium right. Knew there's a relatively sharp left after it so wasn't going very fast. On entering the left I noticed something (turned out to be grain from some farmer's load) on the right lane. Tried to brake and then turn sharply but that was obviously the wrong option, I should just have used the opposing lane since there was no oncoming car. Dirty visor and very low sun angle made seeing the crap on the road very hard.

Bike ended in ditch and was pretty badly damaged from what I could see, waiting for appraisal. Police found the farmer and his insurance will cover my costs and he also called to say he's sorry and so.

I'm not 100% sure of the exact sequence of events but I believe I lowsided onto my left shoulder (most damage is there) and rolled at least once (as right knee took a hit also).

One broken rib (I wasn't even really aware, does not really hurt), broken clavicle and scapula but the doctor says he's against operating as that would just add risk and slow down healing. 4 weeks with left hang in sling if everything goes right, then probably some physiotherapy to regain mobility.

PS. What bike do you ride? Mine's a Suzuki GSX650F, though if the insurance company totals it I'll go for something more track oriented next...

PPS. One handed typing is soo frustrating for someone who has touch typed for the last 18+ years...
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 01 2013 07:32 GMT
#103
I think I can manage this...

/unobs
/in

Pre-game note: Typing with one hand is slow, so I won't probably post as much as I did in previous game.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2013 06:56 GMT
#240
My feel is that the Holyflare/Umasi argument is town on town, in my experience all huge D1 fights have been that way.

I'm extremely interested in hearing from Pharcyd3 who has definitely been here but only posted a worthless oneliner and Lord Velocity who has posted but seems to be low on actual content.

Umasi, if you completely forget HolyFlare for a moment, who would you prefer to lynch right now?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2013 09:27 GMT
#242
Is anyone else around at all?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2013 11:27 GMT
#244
On September 04 2013 20:14 heavenz wrote:
I would like to hear more from you, LoneMeow, what do you think about the remaining players, aside of Umasi / Holyf.


Most are pretty null to me so far, if I had to choose someone besides the obvious lurkers I'd probably want to lynch Lord Velocity, as he's been active but not really producing useful content. Also he went really defensive after a light FoS from a couple of players.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2013 11:46 GMT
#245
heavenz, while you're here, your thoughts on Blurry? You listed him as town, what's your reasoning for that?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2013 15:14 GMT
#251
Infii, since you're around, who do you think is most scummy so far and why? I see you read and analyzed filters but I don't see any conclusions from those.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2013 18:38 GMT
#256
On September 05 2013 03:32 Chairman Ray wrote:
Now that this info is out there, I think we should actually do mandatory lynch. myRZeth has not said anything yet, and if that keeps up, then I will definitely be voting him. Who's in agreement?


If he never says anything, that's modkill territory and lynching him is pointless. If he does come up at the last moment just to drop his vote to avoid modkill, he'll die D2. Lynching a zero-post guy is pointless. Much rather lynch someone who's clearly in the game but lurking, because that's where scum is most often found.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2013 18:43 GMT
#257
While we're at it:

Chairman Ray, ignoring myRZeth who hasn't posted even once, who do you think is scum and why? And what do you think about the Umasi/HolyFlare argument?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2013 18:57 GMT
#260
On September 05 2013 03:48 killerdog wrote:
Chairman Ray
-Hasn't been very active yet,

This one post is a huge elephant in the room when it comes to him
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 07:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
Has everyone got their QT yet? You should have received one by now.


The way he phrased it makes it seem unlikely that he's mafia slipping up.
As someone else said, he might have been trying to trip up a mafia, or just screwing around, but I would very much like him to go on record saying why he posted this just so it's dealt with and doesn't cause misunderstandings later.

Other then that he hasn't said much other encouraging threatening to lynch people which seems logical enough.

Not enough content for a read though, hope he posts more tonight.


The post you quoted is just pure WIFOM either way; town trying to trip scum, or scum trying to look like town trying to trip scum. I'd prefer to just ignore it, for now.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2013 19:10 GMT
#264
On September 05 2013 04:02 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 03:57 LoneMeow wrote:
On September 05 2013 03:48 killerdog wrote:
Chairman Ray
-Hasn't been very active yet,

This one post is a huge elephant in the room when it comes to him
On September 04 2013 07:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
Has everyone got their QT yet? You should have received one by now.


The way he phrased it makes it seem unlikely that he's mafia slipping up.
As someone else said, he might have been trying to trip up a mafia, or just screwing around, but I would very much like him to go on record saying why he posted this just so it's dealt with and doesn't cause misunderstandings later.

Other then that he hasn't said much other encouraging threatening to lynch people which seems logical enough.

Not enough content for a read though, hope he posts more tonight.


The post you quoted is just pure WIFOM either way; town trying to trip scum, or scum trying to look like town trying to trip scum. I'd prefer to just ignore it, for now.


I assume WIFOM means useless, but as a general request, can people explain what acronyms mean the first time they use them? Another one was FoL or something, and I don't want to misunderstand anyone just because I misread an acronym. (also mylo/lylo or something.)

And i agree that it's a post which we shouldn't focus on, that's why I would like him to just post what he meant by it ASAP, so we can forget about it. It just forces him to put his cards on the table now, while also preventing it from popping up again later and causing trouble. Given that he seems to be here right now, why not get it out of the way rather then leaving it in the corner to fester.

Gotta go for a while, but I'll be back in a bit.


I use Mafiascum wiki to look up terms I'm not familiar with.

In this case:
"WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny."

Basically, you cannot deduce anything useful out of it.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 05 2013 06:04 GMT
#335
On September 05 2013 14:38 Umasi wrote:
if myrzeth is going to be modkilled, we proceed exactly as normal and lynch the scummiest player.
If we lynch pharcyd3, at least the lurkers are killed, although I'm against that and think there are better options.


Pharcyd3 is now modkill territory also, not worth voting on unless he comes around to drop a last minute vote in which case he dies D2.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 05 2013 06:05 GMT
#336
On September 05 2013 09:47 Lord Velocity wrote:
Umasi to me is more on the town side of things and Holy in the middle. Bereft on the more scummy parts of things with Blurry neutral.I haven't heard much else from them since so I think it's safe to think about lynching either Myrz, or Pharcyd, because I don't know how the mod killing thing REALLY works. But yea unless they respond I'm pretty sure they're safe lynches.


Can you point out what changed your opinion on Umasi? I think you had him down as scum earlier?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 05 2013 06:08 GMT
#337
On September 05 2013 09:36 killerdog wrote:
Also for the record, this is the third time that velocity has responded to being called scummy by just calling the accuser scummy in return. And the u-turn from
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 06:04 Lord Velocity wrote:
So I think Killerdog is safe to say town because of his willingness to give reads

To
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 09:01 Lord Velocity wrote:
I myself have become suspicious of Killer and Chairman in the process.

Based solely off the fact that we think it's suspicious that he edited a post is quite dramatic.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep now. If myrzeth or pharcyd3 shows up, don't let them get away with a "sorry" and a few regurgitated reads.

Also, I'm leaving my vote on Velocity, not because I want to kill him immediately, but because I find the fact that he gets suspicious of both me and ray because we thought editing was suspicious rather far fetched. (If nothing else it would be rather strange mafia play to try and bandwagon on someone like that day 1)


I think your reasoning here is very weak, OMGUS cases are just as likely from town as they are from scum. I find it far more interesting that he doesn't seem to push his suspicions very hard after that.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 05 2013 06:20 GMT
#338
On September 05 2013 05:41 Umasi wrote:
heavenz post was 'this is what I think and why' and then 'why' is really iffy, but at least he's willing to tell us what he thinks.

Infii, you didn't really address much current in your post, but I'll give you time.
Show nested quote +
Don’t you think the effect of a lynch threat will be reduced when you always have someone voted? If you want other players to know who you are targetting just write it in this thread for everyone to see.

I obviously do not, but I don't want to bother with this discussion.

I like killerdog for town for being very forthcoming with everything, and I'm waiting on Ray to tell us his reads.

Lonemeow is doing a lot of asking questions, (which I am a fan of), he addresses the lurker thing which I am 100% on board with, but you'll notice he hasn't given opinions on anyone but Holyflare/me and phar (who only posted a useless one liner).

gonna go full lonemeow style;
Lonemeow, Why have you only commented on Holyflare and me? (and phar, with his one liner)


I see you don't read very carefully, as I did FoS Lord Velocity (in the same post, no less). And while on that topic, my current read on him is newbie town, I seriously doubt scum team would let him draw attention with newbie mistakes like that.

You, on the other hand, seem to have your reads jumping around quite a lot. You had a scum read on Chairman Ray earlier, has that changed and if so, why?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 05 2013 20:33 GMT
#406
I don't think myRZeth is a good lynch candidate unless we want to policy lynch for playing like a prick. Trying to read alignment from his "strategy" brings just WIFOM. Sadly, because I really do want to punish for playing like that.

I'm also not sure I'd want to lynch Lord Velocity either, while he does seem somewhat scummy the fact that no one seems to be opposed to lynching him makes me wonder if he's just mislynch bait. (Yay, pre-flip associations... But I still do really feel that way, for now.)

More in a bit, typing one handed is painfully slow...
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 05 2013 20:38 GMT
#408
On September 06 2013 05:35 Lord Velocity wrote:
Has nobody honestly noticed how sketchy bereft is? Like nobody has noticed anybody except me and myRZ but our tunnel shouldn't still be on us in general, like we know people don't like me, we know they don't like MyRz, open it up a bit and read like what bereft has said or what killer has said. I will have longer posts in like 2 hours, have to take the bus home


Please point out exactly why you think he's "sketchy" and preferably quick as we don't have that much time before the lynch.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 05 2013 20:53 GMT
#412
As to my top lynch candidate right now, I think I'd want to go for Chairman Ray:

His early posts are reasonable, but he seems to be carefully avoiding taking sides and never really calls anyone scum (besides a 0-poster...) before jumping on Lord Velocity for that ridiculous edit mishap. I can easily see scum motivation for wanting not to implicate anyone until an easy target shows up to jump on.

I could also consider Infii, but his "big post" does bring up some decent points that would have to be considered.

##Vote: Chairman Ray
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 06 2013 12:30 GMT
#521
On September 06 2013 07:23 Blurry wrote:
I think its clear that at least one of the people voting, and probably 2 or 3, for chairman ray are Scum.

I think going into the next day all of our attention should be on these people. Its so unlikely that a Mafia would avoid jumping on this bandwagon especially when the vote count was so close.


I'll agree that there probably was at least one scum on the wagon, however I find it extremely unlikely that the whole scum team would've been on it, unless the other lynch option was scum they wanted to save.

Looking at the voting pattern, the only way that would make sense would be if myRZeth is scum. And given the way he plays I'd expect scum to bus him, not to take risks trying to save him. Taken out of context I'd want to lynch him for his unannounced, unexplained vote change, but considering the bigger picture, I'm uncertain.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 07 2013 08:57 GMT
#553
PSA: Please quote when you reply to someone, it makes filters so much easier to read.

I think there probably was one scum on Chairman Ray wagon. I also think HolyFlare isn't scum, so obviously my suspicions are on: Umasi, killerdog and myRZeth.

myRZeth's unexplained vote switch makes him look really suspect, but then again, it's hard to believe the other scum wouldn't be screaming at him to play better... It's of course possible he's just ignoring advice, too. I hoped he'd be vigged so we wouldn't have to decide what to do with him.

Umasi's early game looked okay, but his reads have been jumping around pretty wildly, I'm not familiar enough with his style to know if that's just paranoid town or scum looking for targets.

killerdog is to me the least scummy of this bunch, he's been mostly making posts with reasonable content and sound logic.

On September 07 2013 07:30 Lord Velocity wrote:
So I am now certain Bereft isn't town because after I pressure him on his whole relations with Blurry, and why he agrees with his thoughts and does what he does basically, but then he says something about me already being suspicious of them being a duo, and tries to jump on me to get me eliminated and provides what he thinks are supporting facts on why I'm "mafia" But Blurry dies, which leads me to believe that either mafia killed him to frame Bereft in my eyes, or Bereft indeed got rid of Blurry so that no further suspicions would arise from the whole situation proposed by me earlier in night 1. Can I get some thoughts on the situation? Or just thoughts on why Blurry would die and who he was pointing at, or if you guys think he was just a kill, and nothing special.

(Sorry if it's a little WIFON"


Speculating on NK reasons is pure WIFOM. It can be useful if you have other information to complement it, but in itself it's very unsafe to use.

Why exactly, besides the NK, do you see Bereft as scum? I read through his filter and it comes pretty null to me, not the towniest player by any means but doesn't scream scum either. The interaction between him and Blurry was a little weird, but agreeing with someone isn't necessarily scummy as such.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 07 2013 09:02 GMT
#555
On September 07 2013 17:58 myRZeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 08:25 Holyflare wrote:
Not to mention there are 3 scum, not just you.



you re pretty aggressive


And you're pretty useless. Or pretty anti-town really. Start posting something useful right now, please.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 08 2013 16:01 GMT
#679
Anyone around to discuss who we want to lynch today?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 08 2013 16:16 GMT
#682
You prefer lynching a scum read over lynching myRZeth I assume?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 08 2013 21:21 GMT
#764
On September 07 2013 20:22 Holyflare wrote:
Also, after lone's last post I think I should take him off the list, totally agree with his targets.


On September 09 2013 04:57 Holyflare wrote:
##Vote: Lonemeow unless someone has a better idea, not going to vote myrzeth, lonemeow has not really much content at all apart from his last post (I know he's injured etc) which was still pretty lacking in content and just a reason to vote other people on the ray wagon. He came back after infii and me had discussions and I posted information but didn't respond to any of it apart from:

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:
Anyone around to discuss who we want to lynch today?


and

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 01:16 LoneMeow wrote:
You prefer lynching a scum read over lynching myRZeth I assume?



What happened between these that made your read do a full 180? Is that only based on me not responding to your discussion with Infii or did I miss something? You've been my best town read the whole game but now I'm wondering if I might be badly mistaken.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 08 2013 21:27 GMT
#770
If Koshi and Infii are scum together, who's the third one? I don't have a scenario that works for that case.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 08 2013 21:49 GMT
#792
On September 09 2013 06:36 Umasi wrote:
I'll go bonkers if we lynch killerdog, and I'm obv town.
##UNVOTE
##LONEMEOW
At this point, my doubts about you aren't gone infii, but I think it's pretty obvious Lonemeow has been playing a different game than the rest of us for a while now.


Jumping on a "save myRZeth" mislynch wagon again? I had my doubts about you after the Chairman Ray lynch but this seals the deal.

##Vote: Umasi
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 08 2013 21:54 GMT
#811
On September 09 2013 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
oh my god, you're actually lynching umasi with no case posts at all? Do you want to make this game that easy for lynching you?


I can consider consolidating. What do you think of Umasi?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2013 06:35 GMT
#995
Okay, let's see:

I was really demotivated after seeing I rolled scum, simply don't like it.

Typing at something like 5 WPM instead of the usual 70+ demotivated me to the point of not posting unless I really had to.

I really wanted to lynch myRZeth just to ensure no one ever thinks playing like that is an option in TL mafias, but my alignment kind of forced my hand there...
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2013 07:28 GMT
#1002
On September 09 2013 16:24 Koshi wrote:
Will be funny if in the next newbie a scum fake claims RB :D


I already wanted to fake claim RB in this one when we were thinking of RBing and NKing the same person (so there would be no second claim since he'd be dead).
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2013 08:17 GMT
#1030
I'm afraid I'll just be useless and get mislynched right away in a normal game so I think I'll obs for a while first.

I didn't get to use the coaches anywhere as much as I should have in my newbies, I really should have asked for more coaching in the first game. 2 scum games out of 4 newbies sucked given how much I dislike playing scum.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2013 08:18 GMT
#1031
Also, I actually tried to vote Koshi at the last moment but my internet was being very wonky in the last 30 minutes before the lynch so that didn't happen.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2013 10:03 GMT
#1035
On September 09 2013 18:34 ShiaoPi wrote:
Game ends here because I derp hard. however if the town doc would have gotten the save through, this game might have easily shifted into town's favor. The lynch on Koshi was very revealing as scum did their best to save Umasi.


I was thinking I'd likely be alone vs town had the game continued given the voting pattern.

I kind of wanted to "consolidate" onto Koshi as I think I might've gotten away with that easier than heavenz/Umasi but my internet was being crappy and they managed to switch first.

I was also very scared of someone noticing my horrible lack of read on heavenz, but luckily town was distracted enough to miss that.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2013 10:12 GMT
#1039
Oh also, interesting that observers think Blurry was obvious NK, especially after Holyflare calling it horrible NK during the game.

My reasoning for the kill was that he was super town and had a town circlejerk going with Bereft, that made them very dangerous as it seemed they'd likely vote together later on. Didn't even check what his reads were back then. (Just so you know how WIFOM it was to think he was killed for having fingered the scum team.)
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2013 10:21 GMT
#1040
On September 09 2013 19:08 Koshi wrote:
I think that in future newbie games people should be encouraged to post at least 15 times on Day 1. Even 15 1 liners is going to help newbie games become more enjoyable. I have replaced in this game and the previous newbie game and both had serious problems with activity on Day 1.

Maybe it is a bit unfair for the newbie scummers, or maybe it will be in their favor because town will start to eat each other.


PS: I know this is a stupid extra rule, but it might help activity on Day 1.


To be honest, 15 posts may be a bit much, especially if you have bad timezone and can't have an active discussion. It would help if lurkers would actually get lynched but in my newbies I can't remember having lynched any actual lurkers on D1. (Well, we did a horribad mislynch on a 0-poster but that doesn't count as lurking IMHO.) It might help convince people they need to talk if not talking would lead to repercussions.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 10 2013 04:59 GMT
#1070
On September 10 2013 12:26 Mocsta wrote:
Cases are not for convincing your target they are scum.


Just wanted to emphasize this. Prolonged arguments with the one you're targeting are not useful.
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