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I stand before you a changed man. Once I was but a simple peasant toiling away in the fields. But I was changed by my maker... For Now I am a member of the Brown! Freed from my shackles, I shall lead all that is good! Let not the demons and machines trouble you! Strike back! This game is ours! No one shall trouble us here! | ||
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On August 30 2013 10:37 geript wrote: What u talking bout? I'm like 5th party. Where is your banner brother? I do not see it. | ||
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On August 30 2013 18:19 Koshi wrote: But cool. I want to talk about it. I got a Null Talisman. It changes every number in your role PM to a 0 but only for the first night you got the item. So it's a RB item that can be passed around. So is there somebody who can use it? Like a guy that is going to explode today and kill many peoples with him? A TRIBUTE! A TRIBUTE! A TRIBUTE for the suffering you caused the Brown! I demand it! the red man sits waiting he says, waiting for ripples. but how can a still pond cause ripples? without stirring the surface oneself, how do ripples come? the red man must know this since he was too happy to start it. after all the red man drove the angry man away from this game. if all he wanted was ripples then why did he make waves. first waves then stillness and all the while not seeing beyond and reading the current. the red man cannot be one of the Brown; no for we Brown are different. this red man speaks only lies. ##Vote Blazinghand | ||
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On August 31 2013 02:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Sigh. People don't give trolls in general towncred. If I start trolling I'd be gone in a heartbeat, that goes for a lot of people. The people who get away with trolling is the people who troll, all the fucking time. People like you. Anyway now that you're not gonna get nightkilled, even more reason to figure the game out, right? you silly, that's not what trolling is  But I like you, Brown at heart, even if you don't admit it  | ||
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1. raynpelikoneet 2. Oatsmaster 3. MrZentor 4. cephiro 5. strongandbig 6. Danel Ion 7. Hassybaby 8. red man 9. kitaman27 10. Stutters695 11. WaveofShadow 12. cakepie 13. VayneAuthority 14. mkfuba07 15. Alakaslam 16. austinmcc 17. TheRavensName 18. Clarity_nl 19. Risen 20. Koshi 21. yamato77 22. ShiaoPi 23. Felkyr 24. Onegu 25. randombum 26. VisceraEyes 27. ObviousOne 28. HiroPro 29. geript 30. AxleGreaser 31. Mr. Cheesecake | ||
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On August 31 2013 03:04 Oatsmaster wrote: lol BH bad case, lets lynch BH!!!!! Kill The Red Man! Rip His Red Guts Out! | ||
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On August 31 2013 03:13 VayneAuthority wrote: eh I might be wrong about cephiro then, that case seems like classic scum BH. you silly! the black and red chase each other's tails you see! but first the RED MAN must die! | ||
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On August 31 2013 03:35 Alakaslam wrote: Hey HiroPro You my evil cousin aren't you? This speech of the brown, yes? You, you mule you, you fool you, you affront The Blazinghand, He Who Is Taciturn (yet has said plenty this game somehow) Such is to incur+ Show Spoiler + Look, a locker. I will store these here. I'll be watching out for you... If she talks maybe as she talks out of myself she will be helpful. the professional hero... I must send one I my children to meet him... Oh no you won't. He could be another lost individual as is myself. His near depth with mine hints at that, who else hangs around in an area condemned midsummer of '61? But he seems stuck in the 50's, I'm up here in the 70's... He may be your father, but you are not his son!!! Slay him! | ||
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Furthermore, BH's play right now is striking me as very opportunistic: On August 31 2013 07:08 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote ##vote geript my points vs ceph still stand, new evidence leads to update WRT prior assumptn. max probability scum lynch is geript This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment). Why is BH's first response to simply just throw down a vote? Why is he so quick to abandon a case on Cephiro that has some sort of reasoning to just blindly go "he said to vote him, LET'S DO IT!" Think about what I said earlier about BH's play (if you haven't read my earlier post on him, go back and do it, think about what I'm saying, read between the lines, and don't just go "oh he's roleplaying, guess I should ignore him"). Be Strong. Be Brown. Vote BH. | ||
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On August 31 2013 07:37 Koshi wrote: I'll give it to you or to Clarity. I'll give it to somebody who asks for it. Randomize if needed. If you didn't understand my post earlier, I do actually want your item and have an use for it. | ||
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On August 31 2013 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: I'm not getting lynched today Hiro. Even if you don't like me and want to lynch me, I'm still in the townier half of this town and it's sub-optimal to lynch me D1 regardless Luckily, I don't need either of your approval! | ||
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On August 31 2013 07:54 Cephiro wrote: @HiroPro Which players are brown? Clarity and strong. I haven't found the others yet, but I will! | ||
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On August 31 2013 07:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Why does this apply to BH but not to WoS or myself? Because neither of you have actually voted for geript, haven't completely abandoned your big case on someone else, and haven't struck me as suspicious before this? Come on clarity, think -_- | ||
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On August 31 2013 07:58 Cephiro wrote: Would you mind if I received the item? I think we can work together. You seem to hate red as much as I do. Who would you kill if your target was to be Aperture Science? I think it's fairly obvious that I want to kill BH right now -_- I'd prefer to get the item first. | ||
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hehe, don't worry. Just Be Strong, Be Brave. | ||
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On August 31 2013 08:08 Cephiro wrote: Let us assume a situation where you are given this "Null Talisman". You must have powers that either use it or are stronger than it. You wouldn't want it otherwise. Do you want this specific item, or are you fine any random item? If you are given the item, would you be able to eliminate a target in exchange? I'd rather not reveal stuff like this right now. For obvious reasons. | ||
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On August 31 2013 08:12 Clarity_nl wrote: I thought WoS voted geript but my point stands. I can understand your "drops his whole big case to vote for someone" argument but... What's your point clarity? Do you or do you not see the difference between the play of yourself/WoS and BH? If you're trying to say something along the lines of "hiro, why are you being inconsistent about the reactions?", specifics clarity: the actions that the two of you took and the behavior leading up to this are different. You may not think it matters, but I do. | ||
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On September 01 2013 02:22 geript wrote: Well BH any last words? Be Brown! Kill the Red Man! Paint the streets with his blood. | ||
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On September 01 2013 02:44 strongandbig wrote: but maybe they will! I already wrote a big takedown of his day1, all they have to do is read it there's still hope! But strong, don't you know? It's not about what you say, it's about how many posts you make! On September 01 2013 02:44 strongandbig wrote: hiro you're experienced enough to know if you really want to get bh lynched you're going to have to be more persuasive than that and you're going to have to analyze more of his output than just his vote switch to geript. at this point all you're doing is building up meaningless thread presence. why dont you want to kill VE? talk to me about it. alternatively: how strongly do you feel about not giving geript the lynch he so fervently desires? would you switch to felkyr or mrzentor if need be to avoid it? At this point geript is probably vengeful or something. Or he just is doing whatever he feels like because he can. /shrug As far as I see it right now, we're either going to end up with a nolynch or a geript lynch. I don't the case on Felkyr is very strong at all. Could be town, could be mafia. but again no real reason to kill him over others. Zentor is a vig shot - you know this. | ||
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On September 01 2013 07:10 austinmcc wrote: ##vote: geript Although on the off chance you're not trying to be sneakypants here, I'd like to remind you that saying I WON'T BE LYNCHED AND IF YOU LYNCH ME I'MA KILL BH should actually be leading you to be townie on BH right now and NOT shoot him. So, if you weren't being sneakypants, you've telegraphed a target and are still getting lynched/are picking up a buncha votes. Leading me to believe that BH isn't a good alternate target, just based on that. I'd rather you pop kita, ShiaoPi, or VA. Read the thread. I expect better from you. | ||
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On September 01 2013 08:01 Blazinghand wrote: I don't know why everyone's all up on me for low D1 activity as though that's some kind of scumtell, as though I've ever done that as scum besides in parallel worlds mafia ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/50centdriving.gif) | ||
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On September 01 2013 08:14 Cephiro wrote: Axle, don't use your power please. ^ what he said. | ||
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On September 01 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Well I'd like to hear the reasons from each of them respectively Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb. | ||
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On September 01 2013 04:14 kitaman27 wrote: cakepie seems to need to be prompted for his contributions, which is a concern. His vote is currently for a policy lynch, but it would be unfair for me out of all people to criticize that. He explains that he is filter diving, but there is little evidence that anything came out of that. I don't really understand the point of a pressure vote on felkyr if he is going to point out that it is a pressure vote. It isn't clear that there is anyone in this game that cakepie actually thinks is mafia. ObviousOne is one of those people that I'm suspicious of based on his town read on Dandel so early into the game. He seems to be around, but not very interested in the game. He decides to sheep Dandel with the geript vote without actually mentioning him at any point in his filter. I'm curious kita. How do you still feel about these two? | ||
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I'm fairly certain that cakepie is mafia based on the way that he goes after his vote targets. He doesn't seem to be interested in looking for mafia but instead goes after players on fairly inconsequential things. On day 1, he goes after alakaslam on the assertion that he's useless even if town and randomly decides to announce that he's pressure voting Felkyr. These are fairly "safe" classic mafia votes; there's no pressure to provide actual valid reasoning with these types of votes. Even now in his push on me he never attempts to explain why any of my actions or behavior are mafia-motivated. For example, what's the purpose of trying to dissuade Axlegreaser from using his power if I'm mafia and know that it won't matter as the wagon gets changed? It's also important to note that not once has cakepie offered any sort of opinion on geript's alignment. What town player does this? There is no town motivation in completely avoiding the major issue of this game. geript has been the major lynch target since almost the middle of day 1 and yet cakepie hasn't said a word about what he thinks geript's alignment may be? For the record, the reason I knew about the player list being important is that I played in the Aperture 2: Portal mafia game, nothing to do with my role. As for my "knowing" that BH would die day 1, simple logic: nobody chooses to get themselves lynched unless they have the ability to do something with it. ##Vote cakepie | ||
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On September 02 2013 11:42 Felkyr wrote: Did you already explain why you tried to dissuade AG from using his power? Please do so. Yes, I already explained this. Read my filter. I also have made no attempt to offer an opinion on geript's alignment. I have thought about it, but everything I could think of has already been said one way or the other. It's complicated and I don't think I could figure it out at the moment. Cakepie might think the same. I find this a useless/weak reason to attack Cakepie. I do not like it. You're a completely new player in a fairly ridiculous themed game and indicated day 1 that you wouldn't lynch geript. That's understandable. cakepie seems to at least have a moderate understanding of how to play and has played in more than 1 game, had access to coaches, and observed games beforehand. | ||
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On September 02 2013 12:06 Felkyr wrote: He may have thought it about, but Axlegreaser did not seem have the same opinion of BH/VE being very likely mafia that I did. Furthermore from the posts of his that I read he did seem to indicate that there would be some sort of small risk if there were multiple mafia there:+ Show Spoiler + On September 02 2013 11:56 HiroPro wrote: Yes, I already explained this. Read my filter. You're a completely new player in a fairly ridiculous themed game and indicated day 1 that you wouldn't lynch geript. That's understandable. cakepie seems to at least have a moderate understanding of how to play and has played in more than 1 game, had access to coaches, and observed games beforehand. Would it be this? It's the only thing I found between a lot of rubble. It's already late and I'm sorry if there is anything else. I find this very weak... AG made very clear that he thought very deeply about the effect of his power. For me, this is a very bad reason to tell him not to use his power. Or you didn't read, or you didn't care. Why?Does that mean you dont trust them?(BTW I am happy if only two of the three are town) "Thus unless you mistrust say 2 or more of them then I say (with more knowledge than you) that the plan is pro town and you should help me by allowing the max number of them to swap." You said this... I don't see anything else where YOU form an opinion of geript's alignment. What is your opinion? You have to be kidding, right? On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote: I think geript has no idea what he's doing (yes I'm well aware that he's played a number of games). He's seen other people do nothing, antagonize other players in the games, yet not be lynched and thinks that he can do the same. The post where he claims "unlynchable" strikes me in the same vein - it's a joke post just designed to annoy. I don't see anything about his play that suggests specifically that he's mafia other than that he hasn't attempted to scumhunt in any manner (which can honestly be said about half the thread). And finally: I suppose you don't want to explain this to me? I'm new and don't know all this metagame stuff. There's no point in explaining. You wouldn't understand without having played in games with Chezinu. | ||
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On September 02 2013 12:48 Felkyr wrote: Dude... that's like 'ages' before stuff happened, and you don't give an alignment opinion there either. It is before you said you can't determine his alignment based on the rig. You haven't given a decent alignment opinion yourself. And still you attack Cakepie for the same reason. You don't make sense to me. ##Vote: HirePro It should be fairly obvious from the points that I raise in that post, the manner that I talk about him, and the fact that I spent most of my day 1 attacking BH that I consider geript town. Just because I don't explicitly say "this guy is town" doesn't mean I haven't offered an opinion on him on or indicated what I think his alignment is -_- What "stuff" are you talking about other than the fact that he rigged the vote to kill BH? Has cakepie ever once said anything about geript's play this game? | ||
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On September 02 2013 13:31 austinmcc wrote: You just aren't Chezinuing hard enough. I have seen zero posts in which you claim to be a bank. I think I've done that before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15107699 | ||
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On September 02 2013 15:21 AxleGreaser wrote: What's the motivation in me even bothering to ask you to hold your power as mafia? geript had said multiple times that votes weren't going to matter at all for the day. If I was mafia, I would know for certain that your power would just be wasted, so why would I tell you to not use your power if I was mafia?So apart from... simply state and when asked reply VE + BH scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote: Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb. Did you try to convince me they were scum and it would be better plan to use another 3. Did you nominate another 3. Did you try and find out how small the risk and whether in risk versus reward sense i claimed it was Ok? Did you check if I 'didnt seem concerned' but had instead been deliberately as restrictive as I could in what I said? Aka as you didnt know if backlash from two was problem did you find out for sure? As it turns out you were likely wrong about both VE and Bh, did you try and find out why i thought different? A towny question you could have asked yourself is was I right(you wrong) I wrong(you right) or scum? Did you check out just how analytically I had exactly been in evaluating the entire tree of possibilities. The way i tell the difference between scum and town is by the intentions behind the stuff they do do. and also by the stuff they try and do and how well. So very many towny things you could have tried to do given the mindset you claim to have had Please show me you trying to do towny things today. ##vote: HiroPro | ||
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On September 03 2013 02:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Summary of cakepie case: - His name is garbs. cheesecake bezt. - And: Scum scum scum scum scum I'm actually not entirely sure about cakepie. His last post responding to me seems pretty genuinely upset lol. Right now there are a lot of people in this game who haven't really done anything of note but have somehow avoided all attention. We should probably be lynching into this group - they're our best chance of hitting mafia. ObviousOne is a good example of this. The majority of his day 1 play appears unusually hesitant almost as if he's reluctant to actually call anyone out: Or your guy Felkyr, though there's something to perhaps counter that. Once upon a time, VE apologized before leaving for having to leave the thread to go to work and people went nuts on him, and he was town. He was just being courteous. Is Felkyr just being courteous in the post you quoted? Like, just out of virtue of who he is? Can't know, first game. On August 31 2013 03:32 ObviousOne wrote: Maybe this one if it's going to live in a perpetual state of catch-up? It's hard to pick. WOS voted Shiao back, this whole thing kinda went nowhere. Can we get some resolution between you two? Hug it out? Fight it out? 20 paces and draw lightsabers? Furthermore, the one post in which he actually offers any sort of analysis/argument (on myself) is very similar to the arguments that multiple other people have brought up and also contains such nonsense as: Being Brown is the essence of being unreadable. --> There's only really one question here: does Hiro's role have anything to do with Chezinu or the Brotherhood of the Brown? If so, who is the scribe? If not, there's no reason for him to be brown. Also, he's doing Brown wrong. I'd like for everyone to share their opinions about him. | ||
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On September 03 2013 03:04 Clarity_nl wrote: How about randombum instead? I kinda liked OO's last post. They both have less than a page but randombum looks worse IMO Explain it to me. | ||
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On September 03 2013 03:12 Clarity_nl wrote: Alright so when deciding between the two let's ignore that they both have 1 page of filter. OO's posts tend to have some insight or original thoughts in them, for example: - weird vayne 3p read - snb seems to be okay with a lot of lynches - cakepie is a coinflip - hiro stopping axle plan instead of asking about it makes him scum I'm not saying I agree with these things but at least they're there. I dare you to make a similar list about randombum. All he has are questions and filler. Yea, I understand what you're saying. We have too many players like this, Risen falls into the exact same boat. Just bear in mind that the point about vayne has almost no actual reasoning behind it and the thing about cakepie being a coinflip is based on his name being cake+pie..... I don't understand what you're saying. | ||
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Hassy probably needs to die even without kita's piece of evidence. Unless he does something drastically different with his play or something to explain the non-action comes up, one of the lynches needs to go on him. Also, I want everyone to notice something very important about ObviousOne's play today. I am currently the leading vote getter and with the voting system very likely to be lynched today. During the night we got a post from ObviousOne like this: On September 01 2013 16:14 ObviousOne wrote: [stuff] Hiro is scum. [stuff] I got you bbygrl Tomorrow we are lynching Hiro. Everything about it suggests that I'm his number 1 mafia read and going to be pursued today. Yet now, despite being the biggest target of the day, he hasn't voted for me or said anything about my recent play. There's been no mention of whether his opinion has changed or strengthened. Hell, he hasn't even mentioned my name. It's like his biggest mafia read just vanished into thin air. This strikes me as extremely suspicious. The other lynch we have for today needs to go on him. ##Unvote ##Vote ObviousOne | ||
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I'd rather kill hassy and obvious. or even risen/random. Also Crossfire, your vote counts look wrong - you have multiple people on the voting list who are voting for two people. | ||
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Can anyone point to a single thing all game long that Risen has done to make them think he's town or actually contribute in any way? He's perfectly capable of putting in effort and being useful( unlike some of these other do-nothings). Multiple players have called him suspicious yet not a single vote has actually gone on him. This doesn't strike anyone else as suspicious? If we're not going to lynch obviousone (which doesnt seem likely) i'll back a risen lynch. | ||
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Doesnt look like anyone is willing to vote obviousone so I'm voting for Risen. ##Unvote ##Vote Risen | ||
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On September 04 2013 06:52 Cephiro wrote: I'd say Oats is more likely to happen than Risen. So you should hop over and help me instead! Well you've been voting for him for the entire day and it's been stuck at 2 or 3 the entire time so no it's not likely at all. | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:14 VayneAuthority wrote: and I will re-iterate to make my point clear; if you actually made this post as town then just loL. blatant trolling He's entirely capable of doing it as town. case in point: lvi where he tries to argue that VE has to be mafia because of this: On March 01 2013 04:30 geript wrote: I've worked in a psych ward for 2 years. I've worked with DSS kids for another 2 years (almost 90% of which were categorized both by personality type and psych issues). I'm a nursing student currently and have spent another 3 months of clinical in both pscyh and high risk psych. I'm qualified to be able to read your posts and categorize your personality from that. I know you're not afraid to do unorthodox things because you have said that multiple times and the general consensus on the boards was that you have done that before. | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:25 Oatsmaster wrote: oooo voting thread. Right. I have like 5 minutes now, I see ceph really wants me dead. And he hasnt given a read on anyone else since n1. You can't vote for two people. So who are you voting for? | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:51 austinmcc wrote: Skimmed. Voted slam. No no you die. This is not good enough. ##Unvote ##Vote austinmcc | ||
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On September 04 2013 09:22 kitaman27 wrote: Survivor reviving is terrible for us by the way. I really hope that wasn't a town action. It's probably just self-revival and part of his role PM. That's most likely what the redacted info says. And it also explains why he didn't show up as anything on death. | ||
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On September 04 2013 09:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Ugh, maybe. But realize that geript flipped town and I still believe slam is scum. Look at how hard it is to get him lynched. I've had a townread on you despite the oats tunnel, and maybe partly because of it, but this voteswitch I'm trying to wrap my head around. please clarity for the love of god, let go of your idealism. the majority of town players do not play well, this is a fact. you may think that his play is anti-town and bad, but it's very unlikely that alakaslam is mafia. you need to trust me on this. | ||
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why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that he worships Blazinghand and would do anything in anger if that guy got lynched consider that carefully, just allow for the possibility of him being town, and read his posts. you'll come to the same conclusion I did. | ||
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On September 04 2013 10:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Didn't fate have to be +5 for ve to kill the person with circle? Meh, it's 3 am I'm gonna go to bed. Vote analysis coming but I stand by the fact that a vast majority of people on slam are likely town. I dunno why hiro is calling slam town, if you have a check you should share it hiro. No I'm not a cop lol. | ||
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it was worth a try. How can I make this up to you? | ||
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On September 07 2013 10:05 austinmcc wrote: For reference and with color: (This is the last votepost, although the time looks wrong below) I'm not finding anything Super duper damning from those votes, but if anyone else can, there's the colored-in version. Just cross-reference the non alakaslam voters with the debears voters. Three names: coag, rayn, and felkyr. | ||
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On September 07 2013 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Shooting a teammate isn't considered playing against ur win condition. Risen would do that as scum. Vivax too. | ||
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On September 08 2013 09:27 Cephiro wrote: I vig shot Coagulation. Can I do what I want or is there a plan I have to follow? | ||
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On September 08 2013 21:00 Cephiro wrote: Alright. Hiro, once you're on and actively reading the thread, inform me here in the thread. I'm decided on the target now. I want you to use the item on that person instantly once I call the target, is that fine with you regardless of whom I choose? I'm here. | ||
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On September 09 2013 01:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Does his vote for lynch still count? It's just like a nuke, so yeah. | ||
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If you're mafia, you know that at some point sooner or later, there's going to be a massclaim with this type of setup. If you're given a role by which you can "confirm your role" without actually providing any real proof, why would you not take that opportunity? | ||
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On September 07 2013 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mr.CC: Make those fuckers lynch randombum. He is likely to be scum. We get info from voting patterns. Someone might even be able t reveal his alignment post-death. On September 07 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity, looking at the votes here i think there is noone who is scum on debears. I am not sure on that at all on OO.. | ||
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I think there is noone who is scum on debears. Did you really believe that? How sure were you on Coagulation's alignment for example? Who were the people on Obvious that you were suspicious of? What led you to believe that there was still a role that could reveal un-flipped roles. Both kita and the inventor were dead. Why bring up info from voting patterns when it was a no-flip lynch? | ||
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We should probably kill Risen today and just wait for info from checks/austin's thing. Or we could threaten to kill VE unless he takes this circle off me! | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's dumb. Why would we kill Risen? Do you think his claim is fake? He will leave the game soon or be confirmed scum or some other anti-town. No we don't know anything about his role other than what he's claimed and we have no way of verifying it. His role could be pretty much anything. A situation like this where we don't have a clear lynch and are waiting for stuff is the best time to kill him. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Hiro, what did you do on N1? Um, Ceph's my buddy. A Brown Brother! | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:04 austinmcc wrote: I cannot CONFIRM anyone but randombum. If my group is unanimous, the shot goes off. If it's not, the shot doesn't go off. I get fake-DT powers on people IN my cell, not magical DT bullets. So let's kill Risen or WoS then! And tomorrow we get cop checks and sleeper cell "confirmation". | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Where the fuck is Ceph? I want you dead and have since the start. Guess why you were roleblocked? it's fun to see when you're angry | ||
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Employees, this is your director speaking. You will follow the plan....the plan... it consumes us all. The mafia they live within us, but with the plan they will crumble from the inside... the plan... | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:36 Risen wrote: So Hiro you propose to lynch the guy who is leaving after the next night phase (assuming Mr. Cheese is alive past lynch today)? Why? On what Earth does someone who is on the scum team do what I did? Claim when I did? Allow for such an easy path to be lynched the longer I live? It just doesn't make sense. "Oh but Risen does these kinds of plays." No, he doesn't. Risen makes plays that in the end make sense, that allow for him to live to endgame with the towncred to win at LYLO/MYLO. This play doesn't do that at all. This play gets me lynched if we're at MYLO/LYLO as one of the only options. Literally the only two options a townie should have for me are fakeclaiming blue/town or 3P. Any other suggestion is so scummy it hurts. Priority lynches for town: Hiro > Randombum >>>>>>>>>>>> Rayn who has sufficiently defended himself and I can see now that perhaps I was wrong about him claiming greencheck, though that shit is sketch as fuck and I would have crucified him for it if he was town so he needs to not do that in the future. So scum, back the fuck off me and try to salvage your shit with town. Town you've already won this game. Scum is likely going to use all the KP they have (assuming 2KP post hiro/random lynch) to kill me tonight then surrender tomorrow. I consider this game a victory. I don't really care hahahaha. None of this prevents you from being an anti-town third party. | ||
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On September 10 2013 03:02 austinmcc wrote: You know what, screw this. I still have my frigging Hiro post from D3 in another window, when I was considering switching from OO to debears because Hiro was pushing OO so hard and looked like butt. + Show Spoiler + ##unvote: ObviousOne ##vote: debears 420NOSCOPE SUCK IT SCUM. HiroPro? No! HiroPro! Look at this! On September 03 2013 11:02 HiroPro wrote: vayne, from what I can gather from alakaslam, the guy has been worshiping Blazinghand as a god for his entire mafia existence. It's entirely possible that he just threw a fit as town when his idol got killed. Hassy probably needs to die even without kita's piece of evidence. Unless he does something drastically different with his play or something to explain the non-action comes up, one of the lynches needs to go on him. Also, I want everyone to notice something very important about ObviousOne's play today. I am currently the leading vote getter and with the voting system very likely to be lynched today. During the night we got a post from ObviousOne like this: Everything about it suggests that I'm his number 1 mafia read and going to be pursued today. Yet now, despite being the biggest target of the day, he hasn't voted for me or said anything about my recent play. There's been no mention of whether his opinion has changed or strengthened. Hell, he hasn't even mentioned my name. It's like his biggest mafia read just vanished into thin air. This strikes me as extremely suspicious. The other lynch we have for today needs to go on him. ##Unvote ##Vote ObviousOne On September 04 2013 09:51 HiroPro wrote: please clarity for the love of god, let go of your idealism. the majority of town players do not play well, this is a fact. you may think that his play is anti-town and bad, but it's very unlikely that alakaslam is mafia. you need to trust me on this. On September 04 2013 10:01 HiroPro wrote: Read those posts. Now read this post:why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that he worships Blazinghand and would do anything in anger if that guy got lynched consider that carefully, just allow for the possibility of him being town, and read his posts. you'll come to the same conclusion I did.On September 07 2013 07:11 HiroPro wrote: Alakaslam is town because he got super emotional and bent out of shape because he worships BH for some reason and BH got killed. Therefore, instead of calling geript scum and attacking geript mercilessly or hunting scum or doing anything, Alakaslam randomized all the items in the game because...you know, that's what you do./facepalm. First of all, you can't even fire a dayvig shot right before a lynch clarity. They almost always have to go 12 hours before. He uses his shot because he doesn't want it to get wasted. Second, acting emotional is like the easiest trick in the playbook. It's easy to act angry and frustrated for a bit and then storm out. It's not easy to stay in the thread, discuss, and reason through things when you're mafia. But there is no way that OO acted emotionally as town, because acting emotionally is the easiest thing in the book for mafia to fake. Therefore, if he's angry and frustrated and storms out, it's cuz it's easy to do that as mafia. But alakaslam randomizes all items, apparently roleblocks a guy who has an unknown-if-can-be-trusted green check on him, visits a dude who died, and is town. In addition, HiroPro is so certain earlier that slam is town. When slam is in the game, slam is town. Onegu's check shows slam, cheesecake, and snb visiting kita. snb is town. Therefore, if onegu is truthful, either slam or cheesecake (or both) killed kitaman. So HiroPro, thinking that slam is town, wants to kill cheesecake, right? Right! Wait...no. On September 06 2013 03:58 HiroPro wrote: Alakaslam looks town, but cheesecake I dunno about. (Kita totes died, SOMEONE killed him). Does HiroPro mention cheesecake AT ALL during the rest of the day? Nope! Does HiroPro discuss cheesecake's saying that he did, in fact, visit kitaman? Nope! He posts boatloads about the other world, the cool kid world, and gives ZERO attention to the other world, which contains (1) randombum, who he votes at the start of the day but then is fine no-lynching and (2) cheesecake, the dude who is the most likely killer of kita if hiro ACTUALLY thinks alakaslam is town.Rayn: Yes, there are multiple games where mafia have received framers of that nature. Especially when you put a watcher (probably the strongest investigative role outside of listcheck DTs) into the game, you have to give mafia something to help fight against that. The first type (more common) is that you can frame someone to make it show as if they visited another player in the game. These have been in several normal games. It is also possible for a role that can swap watch/track results between two players. For example in the last Aperture mafia (portal edition), I was a mafia player that each night could either choose between being immune to watchers/trackers or I could swap my watch/track results with someone else's watch/track results thereby framing them and giving myself an action alibi. As for alakaslam, yes he does look town to me. I'm not really sure of cheesecake's alignment. Hiro is explicitly pushing a lynch on OO over debears because emotional plays are easy to fake as scum, when he defended alakaslam because he made emotional plays Hiro is gung-ho at the start of the day to lynch randombum, before Onegu drops his watcher results. And yet he's fine no-lynching, letting randombum live, never discussing cheesecake. All he wanted to do was chat about our world, and say NOTHING about his scumread that his vote was on for most of the cycle, and say nothing about a dude who visited a dead dude. (To be fair, a bunch of us didn't discuss jack from that world, but this is particularly troubling with Hiro because he starts the day on randombum, but then just gives up) I ain't lynching the guy Hiro wants lynched. I tossed him out as an alternate shot N2 to see what would happen. No discussion (only he seems to have noticed). WoS keeps halfway mentioned HiroPro, no discussion. Cephiro involves HiroPro in some plan that makes no sense, no discussion. Does ANYONE have happy things to say about Hiro? Half the reason I'm poking Cephiro is to try and figure out wtf is going on with HiroPro. That's why I made a big post but keep having to say I don't want to lynch Cephiro right now, the real target is fooking HiroPro but something is going on involving him. Basically, HiroPro appears to just be tossing stuff into thread and not caring at all/not remembering what he's said. Defending and then attacking a defense both based on emotional plays. Attacking people and then being happy to no-lynch them, not even caring to question Cheesecake's alignment, etc. etc. I'm happy with a Hiro lynch, but would be happier if Risen hadn't just voted there. Cephiro still needs to explain himself, but can you guys understand why I'm asking about this plan? /puts on hypnotist mask You're getting sleepysleepysleepy....... There it's all better! | ||
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On September 10 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh actually come to think of it, while I don't know about what Hiro can do, I do know that he is lying about still being RBed. Where did I say I was roleblocked last night? | ||
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On September 10 2013 03:26 austinmcc wrote: Hiro's role is clearly to be immune from discussion. My hypnosis is working! | ||
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On September 10 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah. I remember Hiro's argument being "we get nothing because there will be no-flip and we can't tell anything about voting patterns etc etc..". That is entirely false. In a no-flip world it is much more likely that scum do not buss. Voting patterns tell INCREDIBLY much when one of the other guys who were in that world flips. If they are scum, it tells so much, what was their reasoning for voting? Were they bussing (most likely not, because of no-flip)? Did they vote for the lynched guy (if yes, then they were probably green)? etc etc. It was just like, "we get no info, shut up all and no-lynch". That was so friggin' anti-town. I never said anything like that. Point to a single post in that world where I said we should no lynch because we don't get a flip. | ||
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On September 10 2013 06:44 Cephiro wrote: I'd say go for Axle lynch. Rayn is sitting in the line waiting next. ok. Why axle? | ||
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On September 10 2013 06:52 Cephiro wrote: Because he's one of the three persons I don't have enough information on. (Clarity, Axle, randombum). Randombum thing would be cleared with the proposed Cell plan, and I'm not willing to lynch Clarity, which leaves Axle. There are several players whose actions will tell more than enough in the upcoming cycle. I wouldn't mind killing rayn at all but for now I'm still slightly believing that possibility he might be just town playing horribly. Got it. ##Vote AxleGreaser | ||
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On September 10 2013 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: So i am scum for you because i have been voting townies only and Hiro is town because of his posts where he defends scum!OO (like i did - yes i know) and attacks the exact same people i have (geript, VE, BH - not that i really attacked VE and BH for real but anyways). what are you even talking about? Where did I ever defend ObviousOne? Are you reading this game at all? | ||
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On September 02 2013 02:44 HiroPro wrote: I'm curious kita. How do you still feel about these two? On September 03 2013 02:59 HiroPro wrote: I'm actually not entirely sure about cakepie. His last post responding to me seems pretty genuinely upset lol. Right now there are a lot of people in this game who haven't really done anything of note but have somehow avoided all attention. We should probably be lynching into this group - they're our best chance of hitting mafia. ObviousOne is a good example of this. The majority of his day 1 play appears unusually hesitant almost as if he's reluctant to actually call anyone out: Furthermore, the one post in which he actually offers any sort of analysis/argument (on myself) is very similar to the arguments that multiple other people have brought up and also contains such nonsense as: I'd like for everyone to share their opinions about him. On September 03 2013 04:22 HiroPro wrote: Yea, I understand what you're saying. We have too many players like this, Risen falls into the exact same boat. Just bear in mind that the point about vayne has almost no actual reasoning behind it and the thing about cakepie being a coinflip is based on his name being cake+pie..... I don't understand what you're saying. On September 03 2013 11:02 HiroPro wrote: vayne, from what I can gather from alakaslam, the guy has been worshiping Blazinghand as a god for his entire mafia existence. It's entirely possible that he just threw a fit as town when his idol got killed. Hassy probably needs to die even without kita's piece of evidence. Unless he does something drastically different with his play or something to explain the non-action comes up, one of the lynches needs to go on him. Also, I want everyone to notice something very important about ObviousOne's play today. I am currently the leading vote getter and with the voting system very likely to be lynched today. During the night we got a post from ObviousOne like this: Everything about it suggests that I'm his number 1 mafia read and going to be pursued today. Yet now, despite being the biggest target of the day, he hasn't voted for me or said anything about my recent play. There's been no mention of whether his opinion has changed or strengthened. Hell, he hasn't even mentioned my name. It's like his biggest mafia read just vanished into thin air. This strikes me as extremely suspicious. The other lynch we have for today needs to go on him. ##Unvote ##Vote ObviousOne On September 05 2013 09:24 HiroPro wrote: but how am I supposed to kill obviousone when im in here On September 05 2013 10:26 HiroPro wrote: VE can you please convince the guys in the other thread to kill obvious? I'll be eternally grateful! On September 07 2013 07:04 HiroPro wrote: Clarity, you're over-thinking this massively. I'm going to explain the mafia motivation to you very simply. He's faced with a terrible situation. He has zero thread presence so it's almost impossible for him to directly argue his way out of being lynched. His only hope is for people to derp. Any shot on someone who is clearly town would result in him being auto-lynched. So he does the safest possible option: he shoots his "biggest mafia read". He can't shoot a different target because it's difficult for him to have to explain that . On September 07 2013 07:11 HiroPro wrote: /facepalm. First of all, you can't even fire a dayvig shot right before a lynch clarity. They almost always have to go 12 hours before. He uses his shot because he doesn't want it to get wasted. Second, acting emotional is like the easiest trick in the playbook. It's easy to act angry and frustrated for a bit and then storm out. It's not easy to stay in the thread, discuss, and reason through things when you're mafia. On September 07 2013 07:18 HiroPro wrote: Half this thread already thought him to be mafia. He was at a big risk of being lynched already. Calling a dayvig like that isn't even guaranteed to be lynched - the fact that there's even a debate and the fact that debears is leading in the vote is proof of that! On September 07 2013 07:34 HiroPro wrote: I've lived for 3 days and won a game as mafia with a confirmed outed dead cop's red check on me. I've (along with my team obviously) convinced a town that a player who died and was confirmed as town by the host was actually mafia! So don't say stuff like oh "guaranteed to die with a bad shot like that". How can you not see that's obviously not the case when he's not even in the lead for voting???? Why is it not possible for him to get a shot off in case he gets lynched while still not abandoning all hope??? debearss wasn't even a bad shot. Obvious had him down as his biggest mafia read before that - anyone who is mafia can see that as a safe shot. On September 07 2013 07:37 HiroPro wrote: What better targets are there clarity??? huh? He shoots someone like you and gets auto-lynched? He shoots someone random as struggles to explain why he think's they're mafia? He couldn't even give a reasonable explanation for why debears was mafia rofl. On September 07 2013 07:38 HiroPro wrote: You're not ObviousOne! You can't say shit like "I think it's bad" so obviously he would never do it. You just have to consider what's reasonable. On September 07 2013 07:40 HiroPro wrote: STOP STOP STOP. You will lynch obvious. Did you even read his explanation for why debears was mafia???? SHIAOPI NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. | ||
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On September 10 2013 08:07 Cephiro wrote: From a neutral point of view, D2 you both look just as bad. D3 you look bad, Hiro as nothing since we did a nolynch. What I'm saying is, I find it funny that you're blaming Hiro for his D2 vote when yours is just as horrible. Vote for me if I'm getting lynched, then you can distribute the item again tonight, k? | ||
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On September 11 2013 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure Zentor is scum. I actually agree with this -_- | ||
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On September 11 2013 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote: But erm... you crushed him? I mean, yeah it didn't work... but you thought it would, right? Could you or rayn like, explain this change of heart? I crushed him because Cephiro knew a lot more about Zentor than I did and he seemed very sure. Also he had a plan. Thing is Im not sure if Zentor actually knows as much about what's happening/Ceph's role as Cephiro seems to think -_- | ||
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On September 11 2013 07:02 Clarity_nl wrote: What did cephiro know about zentor that you did not? And what has zentor done in the time between you typing ##crush zentor. and now, to change your mind? You don't understand. I never had a strong read on Zentor -_- I crushed him cause it was part of the plan and Cephiro was fairly certain he wasn't town. Cephiro thinks that Zentor knows his role and he has also has the d6, so presumably Zentor should be able to piece the things together and know what Cephiro wants to do. Looking at Zentor carefully though, I don't really get the sense that he knows what Cephiro's role is. I get the feeling he only knows the name. | ||
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