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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 21:43 GMT
#4375
I'm shooting rayn tonight if he tries to lynch Hiro, FYI. He's ranking very low on my trust list.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 21:44 GMT
#4377
On September 10 2013 06:43 HiroPro wrote:
What are we doing Ceph?


I'd say go for Axle lynch. Rayn is sitting in the line waiting next.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 21:45 GMT
#4380
On September 10 2013 06:43 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 06:42 Cephiro wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:40 austinmcc wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:39 Cephiro wrote:
In that case, either WaveOfShadow or the killer of VayneAuthority would have that item. I have not seen Wave claiming it, I do not believe he has one. I assume scum killed Vayne, I am sure they would have used the item already. I would have used mine instantly on D3 if I could have. Thus, we can safely assume Zentor flips.
Wat?

How do you know who Koshi gave items to? Did I miss something?



.... I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THIS SHIT. Because I got the Crusher from him, according to his role the other person should be right next to me. READ FOR GOD'S SAKE. I don't understand how you bring that theory up but won't even think it through. Either he gave it to just me (which I assume to be correct), or then the other scenario I told above.

I read the bolded and forgot about the specific targets bit


Aight, sorry if I seemed a bit heated up. These super what-the-fuck theories that make no sense and divert the discussion just make me go all jackie-chan wtf are these people doing. Do that randombum shooting stuff to confirm if he's town or not tonight, and we'll lynch Axle or rayn.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 21:46 GMT
#4381
On September 10 2013 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 06:43 Cephiro wrote:
I'm shooting rayn tonight if he tries to lynch Hiro, FYI. He's ranking very low on my trust list.


If his claim is true you'll kill a pokemon and give scum powers...


-_- I forgot he has an retarded amount of lives. Nevermind then, not worth it.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 21:49 GMT
#4385
On September 10 2013 06:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 06:46 Cephiro wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:43 Cephiro wrote:
I'm shooting rayn tonight if he tries to lynch Hiro, FYI. He's ranking very low on my trust list.


If his claim is true you'll kill a pokemon and give scum powers...


-_- I forgot he has an retarded amount of lives. Nevermind then, not worth it.


Wait so that part you believe?


I'd rather take a more certain kill on someone than risk wasting a KP just on killing some town pokemon and give scum a power in the worst case scenario. For all I know the mechanics he describes seem pretty legit but I'm not seeing him as pro-town currently.

If lynch is the only way to kill him properly, so be it.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 21:52 GMT
#4388
On September 10 2013 06:47 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 06:44 Cephiro wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:43 HiroPro wrote:
What are we doing Ceph?


I'd say go for Axle lynch. Rayn is sitting in the line waiting next.


ok. Why axle?


Because he's one of the three persons I don't have enough information on. (Clarity, Axle, randombum).

Randombum thing would be cleared with the proposed Cell plan, and I'm not willing to lynch Clarity, which leaves Axle.

There are several players whose actions will tell more than enough in the upcoming cycle. I wouldn't mind killing rayn at all but for now I'm still slightly believing that possibility he might be just town playing horribly.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 21:53 GMT
#4389
On September 10 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you not want to lynch the other people who want to lynch your best buddy ever Cephiro?


Because I don't do retarded OMGUS. I can see why many of you think Hiro hasn't played town enough, in my eyes he has. I'm not going to start killing unrelevant 3P or possible townies for that. I'd rather concentrate my attention on the people I'm worried about.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 21:56 GMT
#4390
On September 10 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you not want to lynch the other people who want to lynch your best buddy ever Cephiro?


Why do you spend time on retarded questions like this to divert the attention from more useful discussion?
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:01 GMT
#4393
On September 10 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think your plan is dumb and i think Hiro is scum. Maybe you are right but your plan is still dumb.


That does not relate at all to your question. Why are you speaking such bullshit? Your question had nothing to with my plan, nor did it have anything to do with you thinking Hiro is scum.

Your question:

On September 10 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you not want to lynch the other people who want to lynch your best buddy ever Cephiro?


How it relates to your reply above: NOT AT ALL
Stop the useless crap.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:05 GMT
#4396
If you want to lynch Hiro, you might as well be stupid enough and go and lynch me right away. Who thinks that if things go as I planned and assumed and Zentor flips scum, my plan was incredibly fucking awesome and pro-town?

If you want to ruin the follow-up, sure, go and vote for Hiro and help the scum. I might as well shoot myself if you're that hopeless then. -_-

The amount of frustration and facepalms being had is incredibly high.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:10 GMT
#4404
1) HiroPro lynch would give a random person (potentially scum) the item he would gain from killing Zentor. This would be bad. Very bad.

2) Axlegreaser lynch will give us a lot of information. Even in the worst-case scenario that he flips town, we can make a lot out of the connections he's had with other players, and the players who have defended/accused him.

3) I'll solidate on a claimed 3P lynch if nothing else, since killing a 3P (especially survivors who could very well be playing for mafia), is not anti-town in my eyes. A non pro-town 3P is equal to scum.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:18 GMT
#4407
On September 10 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your only reason for seeing Hiro as town is "because i say so". If you are so sure he is town quote the posts of his where he seems town to you. His alignment has nothing to do with your plan and his willingness to follow it. It has nothing to do with Zentor's alignment. All you got it "because of some good posts of his". Show me the posts.


His alignment has to do with my plan. Who the fuck are you to say anything about my plan when you barely know a part of it?
I've been able to trust him and he hasn't let me down once. You're again just wasting time with this useless shit.

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote:
I think geript has no idea what he's doing (yes I'm well aware that he's played a number of games). He's seen other people do nothing, antagonize other players in the games, yet not be lynched and thinks that he can do the same. The post where he claims "unlynchable" strikes me in the same vein - it's a joke post just designed to annoy. I don't see anything about his play that suggests specifically that he's mafia other than that he hasn't attempted to scumhunt in any manner (which can honestly be said about half the thread).

Furthermore, BH's play right now is striking me as very opportunistic:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 07:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On August 31 2013 07:01 geript wrote:
Ok. Feel free to vote then.


##unvote
##vote geript


my points vs ceph still stand, new evidence leads to update WRT prior assumptn. max probability scum lynch is geript

This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment).

Why is BH's first response to simply just throw down a vote? Why is he so quick to abandon a case on Cephiro that has some sort of reasoning to just blindly go "he said to vote him, LET'S DO IT!"

Think about what I said earlier about BH's play (if you haven't read my earlier post on him, go back and do it, think about what I'm saying, read between the lines, and don't just go "oh he's roleplaying, guess I should ignore him").

Be Strong. Be Brown. Vote BH.

On August 31 2013 08:04 HiroPro wrote:
Because neither of you have actually voted for geript, haven't completely abandoned your big case on someone else, and haven't struck me as suspicious before this? Come on clarity, think -_-

On August 31 2013 08:14 HiroPro wrote:
I'd rather not reveal stuff like this right now. For obvious reasons.


On September 01 2013 02:54 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 02:44 strongandbig wrote:
On September 01 2013 02:41 HiroPro wrote:
It's not possible to kill VE today strong. They aren't reading his posts

but maybe they will! I already wrote a big takedown of his day1, all they have to do is read it there's still hope!

But strong, don't you know? It's not about what you say, it's about how many posts you make!

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 02:44 strongandbig wrote:
hiro you're experienced enough to know if you really want to get bh lynched you're going to have to be more persuasive than that and you're going to have to analyze more of his output than just his vote switch to geript. at this point all you're doing is building up meaningless thread presence.

why dont you want to kill VE? talk to me about it.

alternatively: how strongly do you feel about not giving geript the lynch he so fervently desires? would you switch to felkyr or mrzentor if need be to avoid it?

At this point geript is probably vengeful or something. Or he just is doing whatever he feels like because he can. /shrug As far as I see it right now, we're either going to end up with a nolynch or a geript lynch.

I don't the case on Felkyr is very strong at all. Could be town, could be mafia. but again no real reason to kill him over others. Zentor is a vig shot - you know this.

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well I'd like to hear the reasons from each of them respectively

Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb.

On September 01 2013 09:17 HiroPro wrote:
role!=alignment. The fact that he can rig votes doesn't tell you anything about his alignment, especially not in a game like this -_-

On September 02 2013 11:05 HiroPro wrote:
/yawn. I could quote stuff, but I'm feeling lazy so I'll leave it at this.

I'm fairly certain that cakepie is mafia based on the way that he goes after his vote targets. He doesn't seem to be interested in looking for mafia but instead goes after players on fairly inconsequential things. On day 1, he goes after alakaslam on the assertion that he's useless even if town and randomly decides to announce that he's pressure voting Felkyr. These are fairly "safe" classic mafia votes; there's no pressure to provide actual valid reasoning with these types of votes. Even now in his push on me he never attempts to explain why any of my actions or behavior are mafia-motivated. For example, what's the purpose of trying to dissuade Axlegreaser from using his power if I'm mafia and know that it won't matter as the wagon gets changed?

It's also important to note that not once has cakepie offered any sort of opinion on geript's alignment. What town player does this? There is no town motivation in completely avoiding the major issue of this game. geript has been the major lynch target since almost the middle of day 1 and yet cakepie hasn't said a word about what he thinks geript's alignment may be?

For the record, the reason I knew about the player list being important is that I played in the Aperture 2: Portal mafia game, nothing to do with my role. As for my "knowing" that BH would die day 1, simple logic: nobody chooses to get themselves lynched unless they have the ability to do something with it.

##Vote cakepie

On September 04 2013 03:37 HiroPro wrote:
We should be lynching the people who get called mafia but dont actually have any votes on them not the people who get piled on with nobody giving a damn -_- this is probably the only reason that hassy might be town. The argument about whether or not he didnt send in an action is irrelevant since the only thing he can do as mafia is try that tactic.

Can anyone point to a single thing all game long that Risen has done to make them think he's town or actually contribute in any way? He's perfectly capable of putting in effort and being useful( unlike some of these other do-nothings). Multiple players have called him suspicious yet not a single vote has actually gone on him. This doesn't strike anyone else as suspicious? If we're not going to lynch obviousone (which doesnt seem likely) i'll back a risen lynch.


Actually you know what... go fucking read it yourself. There's a lot of posts that make me think he's town, I'm not gonna copy-paste them all for you.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:25 GMT
#4410
On September 10 2013 07:13 randombum wrote:
Ceph, I think you are trying too hard for your plan and big plays to work out and not seeing what everyone else is seeing. Like you want this plan to work so hard you are assuming that zenor have to be scum and hiro has to be town.

There's not much else in hiro's play that really points him as town. I mean even this day when he's becoming a major lynch target all he is doing is sheeping you.


There are a lot of pro-town posts he has, people are just choosing to ignore them and sheep and want the easy mislynch.
Of course I am assuming zentor is scum and hiro is town, I would not have tried this if that was not the case.
HOWEVER, I HAVE AT NO POINT STOPPED CONSIDERING OTHER OPTIONS ARE VIABLE AS WELL.
All you people seem to think is "Lol someone said Hiro is scum, I think so too, let's lynch him."

On September 10 2013 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) So if he is scum he get's it. Then what? Can we roleblock him? Is it so bad if scum gets it we lose? Is it so bad we lose if Zentor and Axle flip town?

2) You don't lynch for information, you lynch to kill scum.

3) Kill scum, then worry about 3p's. Who are those 3p's whose claims are fishy? I think all seem legit.


1. If Hiro is scum, then he's played really well and with that item we may be a little more or a little less fucked.

2. You don't lynch to kill town either.

3. It doesn't necessarily have to be a fishy 3P claim to be one playing anti-town. Why do you think survivor = Town?
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:28 GMT
#4411
He has a lot of posts where he makes clear sense. He shares his opinion and reads and has many valid points. Sure, he may have had some reads wrong, but so has almost everyone this game. Like rayn has been voting for townies only.

Stop the tunneling and take the red glasses off and read his posts with proper content with some thought, instead of assuming everything he does is from a scum perspective.

This Hiro tunneling is happening way too easily, it's bullshit.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:29 GMT
#4412
Okay, I don't like that Zentor vote on Axle at all. -_-
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:34 GMT
#4416
On September 10 2013 07:32 MrZentor wrote:
I'll vote for whomever you want me to.


Go and vote for rayn then my lovely scumbuddy. -_-

If these town people actually fall for that crap of yours, I promise you I'm shooting myself on N4. This is so rage-inducing I can't stand it.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:36 GMT
#4418
You people are fucking hopeless. If it wasn't against the rules or ruining the game I'd just vote for myself or get myself modkilled.

AFK for one hour, I can't stand this shit anymore. Pull your heads out of your asses and don't sheep the easy wagon.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:37 GMT
#4422
On September 10 2013 07:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Still kind of itchy on the Hiro lynch dudes.

How do people read Axle as town besides a bunch of generic "It looks like he's figuring out the game" =|


Thank you god, there are still people with brains in this thread.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 23:02 GMT
#4435
On September 10 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But the truth is your vote has never been useful in lynches. You did never ever in any day take a clear stance on who to lynch. The only time you have done so was when you saved mafia!Alakaslam from getting lynched and lynched town!Hassybaby. All other votes of yours have been on candidates that have never been even close to getting lynched.

Everyone look at the fucking voting thread if you don't believe me.


On September 04 2013 09:00 GreYMisT wrote:
Day 2 Lynch

MrZentor (0): Clarity_nl, AxleGreaser
HiroPro (1): cakepie, debears, Felkyr, AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi, ObviousOne
cakepie (0): HiroPro
ShiaoPi (0): Alakaslam
Alakaslam (8): Koshi, Clarity_nl, Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Risen, Hassybaby, austinmcc, Cephiro
geript (8): raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, cakepie, WaveofShadow, randombum, Stutters695, Oatsmaster, Cephiro, MrZentor
kitaman27 (0): strongandbig
Oatsmaster (0):MrZentor, Cephiro
Felkyr (1): Onegu
Hassybaby (8): kitaman27, strongandbig, Coagulation, AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi, Felkyr, debears, geript, HiroPro
ObviousOne (0): HiroPro
Risen (0): randombum, HiroPro

The lynch will happen in on Wednesday, Sep 04 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). It is a double lynch and the top two vote getters will be lynched. You can only vote for one person, though. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required.

At the moment, geript and Hassybaby are set to be lynched!



On September 07 2013 08:42 Crossfire99 wrote:
Day 3 Lynch

Austinmcc (0): debears
Coagulation (0): AxleGreaser
Felkyr (0): Risen



ObviousOne (7): ShiaoPi, debears, AxleGreaser, Risen, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi, austinmcc, Stutters695, cakepie
debears (6): ObviousOne, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Coagulation, Felkyr, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi


The lynch will happen in at Saturday, Sep 07 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). You may now only vote for either debears or ObviousOne. With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required.

Alakaslam is being modkilled and will flip with the night post.


Dem townie wagons.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 23:07 GMT
#4438
On September 10 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are really bad at analyzing voting patterns if you are saying i look worse from D2 lynch than Hiro. Also D3 tells shit because you were having a tea party and didn't really need to take a responsibility (by voting) from the lynch.


From a neutral point of view, D2 you both look just as bad. D3 you look bad, Hiro as nothing since we did a nolynch.

What I'm saying is, I find it funny that you're blaming Hiro for his D2 vote when yours is just as horrible.
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