Newbie Mini Mafia XLVI

On August 16 2013 04:42 Holyflare wrote:



Definitely lynch all liars, there's only 1 or 2 scenarios where a town would lie so it is not worth it, and yes lynch all lurkers too, unless there are obvious lynches.

On August 16 2013 05:26 iVLosK! wrote:
Using meta on noobies is usually useless, in my experience.

On August 16 2013 20:37 LoneMeow wrote:


Ok, I see.

What do you think of this game so far, any reads?

On August 17 2013 18:17 reps)squishy wrote:

My Suspicious list.
1. justanothertownie He seems to be posting enough to stay under the radar. Posts like this "I'm around." make the suspicion flair.

2.Squibbles Makes the IRL excuse. Then says he reads the messages all day long but does not post.

People I am not suspicious of.
DeusX super agressive as a townie last game XLV and is playing somewhat the same.

On August 17 2013 16:12 LoneMeow wrote:
I really need reps)squishy and Squibbles to start participating more and that has to happen right now, otherwise I might have to start driving for lynching one of you. Post your top 2 scum reads with some reasoning, thanks.

On August 17 2013 18:37 LoneMeow wrote:
Ok, that's better. Careful with meta in newbie games though.

Now, Squibbles needs to start posting. Or I'll have him hung.

##Vote: Squibbles

On August 18 2013 01:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Good morning everyone. I agree with Holyflare's stance first of all
##Vote: Xzavier
As a placeholder.

However the squibbles voting is intriguing. It is a policy lynch based on what may be IRL circumstances. Is there actually something wrong with his posting, other than the lack of it?

If not, may want to reconsider...
... As according to his own deadlines, he will likely be modkilled. It is 9:15 on the west coast.

Any better reasons though? As the same goes for Xzavier... So if squib is preferable guess what

On August 18 2013 01:26 iVLosK! wrote:
I said I spared him on condition of more posts from him and he's posted like once since then. Not exactly a 180 by any stretch of the imagination.

On August 18 2013 01:46 Alakaslam wrote:


Squibbles might have been dumped last night and just not thinking about mafia.

Xzavier got dumped too.

On August 18 2013 03:33 iVLosK! wrote:

*too

On August 18 2013 03:37 DeusXmachina wrote:


Sadly it's shit like this that makes me think he is town. Being a dick is probably not want you want to do as scum.

On August 18 2013 08:00 DeusXmachina wrote:
I voted on xzavier because it was basically the same thing as voting no-lynch. Call me crazy but I am not going to vote on 2 people that I am not 100 percent sold on being scum.

On August 18 2013 07:54 Holyflare wrote:
I also find it funny that you jump on everyone voting Xzavier when everyones alternative was squibbles who also would get modkilled, totally legit reasoning... not

On August 18 2013 10:14 Koshi wrote:
I am still wondering why you guys voted iVLosK.
Please also redirect me to the scumhunting you guys did. I have trouble finding it.
Setup Information:

This means there are 2 scums right?
It's fair to say that town will have 1 power role and 6 VT and then scum 1 power role and 1 goon.

Gameplan for town is simple. We find 4 confirmed townies and we win the game.

Confirmed townie status: Koshi
Close to confirmed townie status: OmniEulogy
Probably town: JAT, Meowie

On August 18 2013 10:18 Koshi wrote:
(joke is on them. I rolled veteran)

On August 18 2013 08:33 Holyflare wrote:
Besides what I have just written, the fact that I couldn't change my vote because I was out has given me more information for this game than just voting anyone else could have.

On August 19 2013 05:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Sigh... That vote was really stupid.

Deus man, why didn't you answer me.

I should have stayed on iVLosk or something.

Man I don't know what to make of the game yet, I have those gut reads but I want to back them up. I can't this calendar day but I will be back during this day phase (tomorrow). Stuff hast come up.

Man the consternation, watch me go from being a scumread to 100% scum just because I'm gone. That is exactly what happened to vlosk and probably why I felt bad about it- and that may actually go for deus.

What, must I be the town voice of caution or are we to go nuts lynching our own. Last couple games scum wins go figure.

But yeah srsly vlosk defend even just a little while I'm gone plz.

On August 16 2013 05:23 DeusXmachina wrote:
Analyzing peoples previous games to determine their role this game, good or bad in newbie?

On August 16 2013 06:36 DeusXmachina wrote:


Why do you ask?

On August 17 2013 03:06 DeusXmachina wrote:


Yeah scum could talk policy all day. Lets put all this lying, lurking, and what-have-you talk aside for now. I am going to vote reps or xzavier if they don't start posting. I want to push for a lynch day 1, and as of right now they are the best candidates. If reps/xzavier are tied for first then a close second would be, well.... everyone else. Although, I can't help be suspicious of holy. Last game he was pretty try-hard and this game he seems pretty detached. I won't press it for now though because he said he was busy. Anyway, I think our goal should be pressuring xzavier and reps to get them to participate. Lurkers won't be tolerated!

On August 17 2013 09:07 DeusXmachina wrote:
Lets entertain a scenario. Reps or Xzavier are completely aware that the game has started and are intentionally not posting. They don't feel any real pressure so they aim to do several things:

A) Contribute nothing to increase the chances of a no-lynch day 1
B) Contribute nothing to avoid mistakes or posts that could get them unwanted attention.
or the less likely
C) Play a lurker roll so their scum buddy can bus them.

How easy would it be to drop in and say, "oh sorry guys I couldn't post because.... blah.. blah.. blah...". Some of you are already assuming that they are just afk.

Why are we tolerating lurkers?

On August 17 2013 07:45 DeusXmachina wrote:


I don't think his hypocrisy is a reason to be suspicious. He probably just wanted to come in with flare, hence his aggressive first post (not counting rap). Holy would you rather focus on iV or reps/xzavier? Pressuring xzavier or reps might get them to start talking.

On August 17 2013 09:38 DeusXmachina wrote:
I am growing suspicious of iV. The way he handled holy's pressure seems scummy. He seemed more interested in discrediting Holy than actually contributing.

+ Show Spoiler +

This is a good example. Attacks holy and contributes nothing to town.

On August 17 2013 10:01 DeusXmachina wrote:


Seems more egotistical than sarcastic.

On August 17 2013 13:55 DeusXmachina wrote:
Last thing before I go to bed.

I thought I would post my thoughts on day 1 so far.

I peg iV for town because he seems aggressive, and antagonistic at times, and to me these are definitely town traits.

On August 18 2013 08:08 DeusXmachina wrote:

On August 18 2013 08:07 Holyflare wrote:

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On August 18 2013 08:02 OmniEulogy wrote:

On August 18 2013 07:49 Holyflare wrote:

On August 18 2013 07:39 OmniEulogy wrote:

On August 18 2013 07:02 Koshi wrote:

On August 18 2013 07:02 OmniEulogy wrote:
what's up guys. I'm almost completely caught up

Yeah it took me 5 minutes as well.

Hahahaha yeah, unfortunately what I'm really going over right now is the massive clusterfuck at the end of D1. I agree with you completely when you say that nobody should vote for a guy with literally 0 posts. Town should NEVER lynch the "easiest" target which it seems like they did... that's complete scum mentality. Town lynch the scummiest players not the easiest ones -.- ... I'm also really upset that three people didn't even vote which makes it even harder to sort it out.

so far I think I'm pretty happy with my reads right now though

I think Slam really sticks out to me as scummy for jumping around on his votes so much, even to the point of voting for Xzavier on two seperate occasions, however he has been one of the most consistant contributors in the game albeit very spammy. I'm getting a newbie town feeling from him and with the amount he's posting if he is scum it wont take long for him to slip. For that reason I'm ok with him currently.

I've never played with Deus but people say he's an aggressive townie. I'm not seeing any of that from this game. He's been asking really bad fluff questions which would be easy for scum to imitate to pretend to be contributing, his vote on Xzavier and his reason behind it were terrible or rather his lack of a reason. Then after the lynch on Xzavier he goes after Holy for something he was fine before and even said he thought Holy was town for. I'd say out of all the players he's my top scum read right now.

And then Holy votes for Xzavier as a "place holder" never to take his vote off him. Very scummy behavior considering he goes for the easy lynch, and a way to avoid needing to actually come up with a reason to vote for somebody.

As far as town reads go I had a newbie town read on Reps and so in turn I believe Koshi is town.
JAT is my strongest town read in the game at the moment
slight town read on iVLosK! and the rest are all neutral as I still have to go through the filters again.

I'd really like to know why Slam jumped his vote around so much asap and why the hell all three of you (Holy, Deus, Slam) thought it was a good idea to lynch Xzavier.

I like how you ignore everything I've said the entirety of the game just to focus on the person I put my vote on. It was my girlfriends birthday today (went out yesterday for it/party today) so I left my vote on the safest person so far. If he posted once and voted he'd be still in the game and I would NOT be alright with that, I would 100% not be alright with wasting 2 days just so we could fucking waste another day talking about him and wasting the day on him.

That's a pretty massive issue.... the objective isn't to find the safest person to vote for and then do it as town.....

Your reason of not wanting to get rid of somebody who might contribute doesn't work in this case. Xzavier had literally not made a single post, was very likely to be modkilled and you had stronger feelings against another player but you kept your vote on him because it was safer? Am I reading that right? Safer for what? Town on D1 doesn't need to worry about what the safe vote is. if you wanted to be safe why didn't you just ##Vote:No-Lynch instead of putting it on somebody who wouldn't defend himself.

I'm fairly certain I just got that last part wrong, would a mod be kind enough to tell me/us what the correct format is to vote for a no-lynch? Thanks!

I am confused why Xzavier WAS voted off though when the 2 votes were placed after the deadline........

We didn't even have enough votes against him. It wasn't a vote off. He was modkilled. They just said he got lynched in the end of day post.

On August 19 2013 07:34 LoneMeow wrote:


But why would Alakaslam sheep such a horrible vote? I could accept Deus' explanation that he thought it was majority lynch, but I can't think of any reason for Alakaslam's vote besides the one I proposed above.

On August 19 2013 03:50 Holyflare wrote:
As far as my reads go, I have a lot of information from the last day that will be helpful. I will post these in a bit after I've had some time to relax.

On August 19 2013 13:18 iVLosK! wrote:

... And useless fluff used to appear contributory.

Also, apparently I'm supposed to respond to something. If you quote it, I might.

On August 19 2013 23:03 Onegu wrote:
Vote Count

DeusXmachina (1): OmniEulogy

Justanothertownie (1): DuexXmachina

Not Voteing (5): iVlosK!, Alakaslam, reps)squishy, Holyflare, LoneMeow

Voting is mandatory. Deadline is at Tuesday, Aug 20 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) 28 Hours from now

On August 20 2013 00:24 OmniEulogy wrote:
just got on the computer, read through things quickly and I'll give a more detailed answer to everything in a little bit but I've played with a lot of people who play like LosK has been doing, all of them have been town. Most of what he's said and done has largely just messed with town, and although he is my weakest town read he is still town imo.

All of the association cases against him are useless till we know Slam/Deus's alignment.

Also from what I quickly read it looks like Deus didn't actually address anything in JAT's case and tried to brush it off and then redirect suspicion at others. I'd be fine with him trying to give his scum reads if he actually tried to clear up his mess and explain his own posts.

Also Deus from how I read it, the inconsistency isn't the constantly changing reads town has, the inconsistency is you saying one thing, and then doing another immediately after with no reason behind it. Did you even care who you voted for D1? I can't tell. Also cases don't need to be long and lengthy, having a short case with a ton of incriminating posts doesn't make it weak. How about you actually talk about those posts instead.

I'm going to grab some lunch / late breakfast and then get back to the questions directed at me

On August 19 2013 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:
This has to be one hell of a post...


Why don't we start with some reads? Would you tell us your current scumreads and give a short reasoning for them? Or even a townread?
You didn't contribute anything since Day1 (there isn't much Day1 too) apart from trolling.

On August 20 2013 02:34 Alakaslam wrote:

Pfft just read HolyFlare that's probably all the alakasuspicious that can be remotely loosely said in a nutshell

That's like just short of all that can be said short of what is pulled from ass

On August 20 2013 04:14 OmniEulogy wrote:
Koshi got lynched after posting like this

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I still agree with what he said during N1 and I know I'm town which means scum DID fuck up. I'm not sure how many people you think are in this game but scum was on Xzavier if my reads are correct. I know you're paranoid about literally everybody as I think the only person you've given town reads to are Slam (lol?) LosK and Meow. which funny enough has two people Koshi was telling us to lynch. I strongly believe the two scum are in your group of 4 as did Koshi and you trying to push everything away from going in that direction isn't very convincing.

On August 20 2013 06:35 LoneMeow wrote:
Deus' case on JAT is kind of OMGUS, but seems like a town reaction, if he was scum I'd expect him to push Alakaslam since he's obviously much more likely lynch than JAT.

Holyflare, your read on Deus?

iVLosK!, could you perhaps try to help us figure this game out and provide reads on Deus and Alakaslam?

On August 20 2013 07:01 Holyflare wrote:
I wanted to see your responses on slam before I post the rest, and his response or complete shutdown I guess you could say was pretty interesting.

On August 20 2013 17:50 DeusXmachina wrote:
I really wish I could do more, but for now I think it is best to focus on one person. Good night.

On August 20 2013 17:50 DeusXmachina wrote:
At times he seems like he doesn't want to commit to anything, almost like he is fearful of being wrong, or saying something incriminating.

On August 20 2013 17:50 DeusXmachina wrote:
He starts off with this very reserved style. Not only does it hinder discussion, but it's a way to play unnoticed. He doesn't set himself apart from other players by taking an early aggressive stance as this would draw attention. He doesn't debate with anyone, say anything radical, or say anything that could come back to haunt him later. It's this reserved style that makes me think he is scummy.

On August 20 2013 17:50 DeusXmachina wrote:
This is the first bit of zest we see from JAT. To me it seems overly defensive, considering reps (who doesn't have the best track record), made a simple accusation.

So has he done any scum hunting at this point? No not really.

On August 20 2013 17:50 DeusXmachina wrote:
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Is this really scum hunting though? He asks a question, gets a reasonable answer, and doesn't pursue it. That did NOT contribute anything.

On August 20 2013 17:50 DeusXmachina wrote:
Then JAT bandwagons:

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and again

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In the moments before the conclusion of day 1 he says:



but interestingly doesnt bandwagon on the Xzavier vote. Hmmmmmmm. I ask myself why? Is it consistent with his play style? Absolutely fucking for sure it is. Has he done anything at this point that would make him stand out? No he has not.

On August 20 2013 17:50 DeusXmachina wrote:
The first big case he makes, literally the first noticable contribution, is is stance against me. It is weak argument, he feeds of others' ideas, and offers little analysis on how my actions are scummy.

On August 20 2013 21:37 Holyflare wrote:
DeusXmachina

Let's talk deus for a bit, barring the connections between people, I want to get to the nitty gritty bits. I want to point out his overall motives so far, his contributions and his inconsistences.

You all basically know the story about him saying not to lynch all liars, but lurkers etc etc, it's the first thing in his filter so I will ignore it for now because I honestly do not think it is relevant at all.

However, this is where we begin the journey into deus' mind. See this for example: + Show Spoiler +. It has some policy crap still in it yes, but I'd like to draw your attention to where it says that he will lynch people that are detrimental to town, non-contributers, spammers and mentions how he likes aggressive play. Now this is around the time where I started to focus on IvLosK!, he hadn't given any contribution, was saying useless shit and wasn't helping us at all. I made my case against iV and then deus response was + Show Spoiler + which is fair enough, it made sense at the time. This is when shit gets confusing, with all the pressure on IvLosK! what would a scum do, try and deflect on another person right? His SECOND post after talking about IvLosK! then draws random light suspicion on squibbles + Show Spoiler + but that isn't the most shocking part, WITHIN 3 POSTS HE GOES AHEAD AND CHANGES HIS FUCKING MIND ON IVLOSK!???????? + Show Spoiler + READ THIS SHIT.

YOU WANNA KNOW SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S FUCKING HILARIOUS? WITHIN 2 MORE POSTS THIS HAPPENS + Show Spoiler +

Then the xzavier shit follows and you know the rest of that....

On August 20 2013 04:00 DeusXmachina wrote:
Just got up. Ill answer the questions directed at me 1 by 1. JAT's is first

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For starters, scum reads based on the xzavier lynch are extremelly unreliable, and I will try to explain that by detailing my thought process. Ill say this again, the xzavier lynch is a MASSIVE opportunity for scum to capitalize on. It's a gateway to mislynching a townie.

There was some talk about my inconsistency. I wouldn't call the moments before the Xzavier lynch inconsistent. At least in my case, the better word is impulsive.

So my thought process: The most impulsive thing I did that day was vote iV. Shortly after, I posted what I was thinking.
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I got in right before the lynch. I pan through the posts. Wow people seemed convinced iV is the best lynch candidate. Vote iV. Wait a second, I don't really agree with that. He is way to antagonistic, and aggressive to be scum. I don't think this is right. Well how many votes against him, we need 5 right? (Yes I genuinly thought it was a majority lynch. No I didn't catch where it said plurality. Yes when slam responded right after saying plurality I discarded it because I thought wtf does that mean). Nope this isn't right he is not scum. Unvote, vote Xzavier. Why vote Xzavier? Yes I actually thought it was a majority (Guys do you really think scum would say something so stupid?). I thought, you know what, I am sticking to my guns this game. I don't want to tolerate lurking. Why such a strong stance against lurking? Well I had a major lurker in my last game who turned out to be scum. Another lurker, although not as bad, who turned out to be scum.

Okay, so in retrospect Xzavier was beyond a lurker. He was a no poster. But I thought to myself, I don't think Squibbs is scum just yet, I don't think reps is scum just yet. So he is the only one I can vote for. I kick myself for not voting no-lynch.

But don't you see! That inconsistency, that impulsiveness is not scummy. Who is more likely to be impulsive? A scum who is constantly thinking about the ramifications of his actions, or a townie who is interested in scum hunting, not constantly making sure he does not look suspicious. Look how much shit that Xzavier lynch got slam and I? That would be, like I said earlier, a massive misstep by scum. That's why talk of scum reads based on the Xzavier lynch are so silly. That's why I think Omni is trying to capitalize on the lynch.

Ill respond to JAT's case point by point.
The first little bit is based on my meta. I think that is a weak argument. He is talking about how I am not being as aggressive. Well different game different situation.

Second point. Back off the policy talk was not defensive at all. I was heading your advice/agreeing with you.

My scum hunting was based off of only lurkers? I didn't have anything else to scum hunt at the time. I didn't want to talk about inconsistencies in IV's play and over-analyze his first post, so I didn't chime in with Holy.

After that is the best example of my inconsistency. My read on iV was changing, that's all that needs to be said.

The rest I explained above.

Overall it's still a weak case.

My case on you was not just based on you agreeing with things.

On August 21 2013 01:59 Alakaslam wrote:

Check out lone for me ya? Now, brb.

On August 20 2013 06:35 LoneMeow wrote:
Deus' case on JAT is kind of OMGUS, but seems like a town reaction, if he was scum I'd expect him to push Alakaslam since he's obviously much more likely lynch than JAT.

Holyflare, your read on Deus?

iVLosK!, could you perhaps try to help us figure this game out and provide reads on Deus and Alakaslam?

On August 20 2013 23:31 LoneMeow wrote:
Also, right now I'm agreeing with lynching Deus.

##Vote: DeusXmachina

On August 21 2013 02:26 LoneMeow wrote:


My top scum read ended up being the only one who was resisting the lynch besides Deus himself, and Alakaslam started looking more town to me. Sadly Slam's latest uselessness made him look less town again so I feel this lynch is a bit unsafe, I'd far prefer lynching iVLosK! who still hasn't really contributed much to the scum hunt at all.

On August 21 2013 02:32 DeusXmachina wrote:
Guys please care about this lynch. The 1, or more likely 2 townies that are voting against me right now. Unvote. It will win you the game. I guarantee it. What's going to happen if I get lynched? You lynch JAT or Omni next right? So lynch JAT now and if he flips town lynch me. I am fighting, he is not! I am town, he is not! Vote JAT and you win.

On August 21 2013 02:33 DeusXmachina wrote:


If you cannot be sold then vote no-lynch. You will dig your own grave if you vote me. If you are town, you are in the unique undesirable position of being the one to lose the game. Unvote me.

On August 21 2013 02:34 LoneMeow wrote:


I don't think I can do a full case in the time remaining before lynch, but mainly my points are his reluctance to hunt scum, the lack of reads (the only strong read he's given so far is his case against me, which is a very weak case in my eyes) and just generally being useless. Also avoiding taking a stance on the pressing issue of Slam vs Deus is incriminating.

On August 21 2013 02:38 DeusXmachina wrote:
Don't you care about your fellow townie everyone! The noose is to my neck and I am pleading!!! I am not scum. Please see that! Major cases against Omni/JAT generated so much discussion. My case against JAT is the truth!! He has done so much to blend in. He has done so much while not contributing!

On August 21 2013 02:43 DeusXmachina wrote:


Stop trying to distract from the lynch. If you want so bad to discredit me then why the hell don't you just vote me! What you are doing is essentially the same thing. It hurts me either way.

On August 21 2013 02:49 justanothertownie wrote:
When did Lone vote iV?!

On August 21 2013 02:49 Alakaslam wrote:
I swear. Seeing the vote count, and that nobody else listens to the bamcis, I do this. Only thin that makes sense for me, and not that it particularly does.

##Vote: LoneMeow

On August 21 2013 03:23 LoneMeow wrote:
You have no idea how stressed I was about whether my snap read was right or wrong...

On August 21 2013 06:05 DeusXmachina wrote:


No need to be an asshole JAT. You didn't secure the slam in any way shape or form. You tied the votes up at 2 when you voted slam. He wouldn't have been lynched if it wasn't for lone

On August 21 2013 06:09 DeusXmachina wrote:


I didn't think slam was scum and I stuck to my guns. Honestly, I bet slam is kicking him self for the Xzavier vote right now. I believed and still believe that is more likely that town would fuck up on a vote in that situation that scum. But I guess that's just a difference in opinions.

On August 21 2013 06:10 DeusXmachina wrote:


Ill try not to take it to heart.

On August 19 2013 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:
If iVLosk is scum we caught scum Alakaslam with his pants down by voting Losk yesterday. Just before we voted he claimed iVLosk would be the best lynch. He HAD to follow up and vote him after that because it would have been super scummy otherwise.
After that he 180s on his read without any reason (because iVLosk didn't contribute anything after this point in time) and tries to destroy the wagon with all his force. He also tried everything to get Deus off the wagon and immediately sheeped him after he voted Xzavier.

I really hope slam, Deus and iVLosk contribute more Day2. The only thing I am pretty sure off is that Deus and slam are not both scum. This would be really weird play.

On August 21 2013 07:20 DeusXmachina wrote:


So holy admits he was the first one to fake cop claim this game.



Okay let's see it JAT. Give holy your wrath.

On August 21 2013 07:44 Holyflare wrote:
Why would he ever risk it when he could just go on you and 3 people would be on you??? Nobody would ask any questions

On August 21 2013 07:49 DeusXmachina wrote:


Because I took a very strong stance on JAT. If I got lynched, I would flip town, and people would start questioning JAT or reconsidering my reads.

On August 21 2013 07:57 DeusXmachina wrote:


Don't you think people would start questioning those who voted against me. Escpecially you because you had the biggest motive to vote me off? It could be taken both ways.

Or are you saying that I have been playing so terribly that nobody would doubt your intentions?

On August 21 2013 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
Ties are no lynch

On August 21 2013 08:25 iVLosK! wrote:

Person reaching the number of votes first is lynched.

If I have 4 votes and you have 4 votes but I received 4 votes first, I am lynched.

On August 21 2013 13:58 DeusXmachina wrote:
I have been thinking about the Alakaslam vote. I realize, that it is very unlikely that JAT would try to bus a scum mate in the way he did. Furthermore, like you guys said, it is even more unlikely that scum would come to such a conclusion on a short notice, as it would require talk between both Alakaslam and JAT. The more likely possibility is that JAT is town, and voted off a scum. So that being said, this is my formal apology for tunneling you JAT. I was convinced that you were scum, so I concluded that your actions were scummy despite the more likely alternative. I have learned this is called confirmation bias. I know this is what you guys tried to tell me, but the important thing now is I am on the right track. I am sure it must have been frustrating!

The best thing I have done this game, is defending myself, during what would have been a mislynch, and my case against Omni. I will re-evaluate Omni and iV in the days to come. I think my case against Omni still has some applicable points. However, I must make sure I am not creating evidence when there is non.

So my final thoughts: In order to be an asset to town, I will do what I can to help out by pursuing the two likeliest targets, Omni and JAT. I think the best way to communicate to you guys that I am town, is to admit that I was wrong, and move on.

On August 07 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Obs: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/iWFBh8SUebQ
Host: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/pZkj4ifeh9t
Scum: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Wq8xk7L3agzA

WHAT THE FUCK IS A TOWNSLIP. DO YOU PEOPLE FUCKING REALIZE HOW BAD WE FACEPALMED WHEN READING ABOUT A TOWNSLIP. YOU CANNOT TOWNSLIP. DON'T FUCKING USE THAT WORD

On August 21 2013 21:23 iVLosK! wrote:
Is you is or is you ain't my constituency?

On August 22 2013 03:22 OmniEulogy wrote:


?????????????????????

On August 22 2013 03:01 iVLosK! wrote:
Scum is so bad at this.

On August 22 2013 03:29 Holyflare wrote:


If you didn't think it was a better case and weren't more suspicious of slam than deus then you are equally now suspicious.

On August 22 2013 03:38 iVLosK! wrote:

Killing Lone.

On August 22 2013 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
By the way I want you to actually do what I said and click slams filter on all messages and ctrl + f omni.

On August 22 2013 04:19 Holyflare wrote:
We also have 1 blue, if it was a jailkeeper or cop they 100% would have blocked deus or checked him last night. Since we haven't heard from them that means deus is safe for now. Most likely we have a doctor and he has been missing who to save each night though. I think I know who the doctor is but that is irrelevant for now. Seeing as I am town and the person I think is blue is blue then that only leaves you on my suspicious list.

On August 22 2013 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
Speculation is 100% what we need to do. It determines whether we can mislynch today or not.

On August 22 2013 04:36 Holyflare wrote:
and roleblocking should block scum....?

On August 22 2013 04:45 Holyflare wrote:


roleblocking blocks kp, any action that is submitted a roleblocker can block

On August 22 2013 05:28 OmniEulogy wrote:
So... because Slam said he had to leave and couldn't play for that day you take credit for.... taking his computer away then? Are you using his inability to post as your reason??? just lol is right.

Anyway JAT who in their right mind would vote on Xzavier D1 in the first place? This is the type of shit that is 1 scum did it, especially in the way Slam did it, there is probably another one on Xzavier. Slam had no reason to last minute jump onto Xzavier if he wasn't following some sort of weird plan imo.

On August 22 2013 05:33 Holyflare wrote:



Slam was agreeing with iv all day 1 and calling him town, if he switched off of iv and eventually revealed scum it would be obvious implications for iv. Hence all are accusations have been wasted calling iv scum with slam when really we should be looking elsewhere.

On August 22 2013 05:37 Holyflare wrote:



Look at how quickly he switched position from pro town iv to scum iv and then off that notion.

On August 20 2013 09:45 iVLosK! wrote:
Deus's behavior just prior to the D1 lynch has far more town motivation than scum. I can be a little clearer on this because I actually know my alignment but what scum motivation is there to last-minute save the "bully" town and kill the silent modkill? In my experience, bully town is scary town to noob scum.

On August 22 2013 06:45 DeusXmachina wrote:
Why are you guys arguing with Holy? I don't really see anyone discussing his case. If you don't think his case is valid, Omni, I would like to hear some reasons why. The fact of the matter is, Holy is one of the towniest members here. He was the first to make a big case against slam, and he was first to instigate the slam vote. This would be totally unnecessary as scum. So if you don't believe that Holy is scum, than believe that you are listening to a townie. His points are valid and he is doing legitimate scum hunting. Omni, you voted me, but I feel like you have not really built upon your first case against me. So what are some of your reasons for voting me, other than the ones you brought up in your first case, and the one shortly after?

One thing that Holy touched on, that I would like to reiterate: Why did not switch your vote to Slam if he was your number two read? When everyone switched off of me, I was in no danger of being lynched. Thus, your vote on my was pointless. Maybe I missed your response.

Tonight I am going to look into iV, mainly for my own reasons, I still need a little convincing before I make my vote. I promise to look at him with as little confirmation bias as I can muster. I have been trying to convince myself that it is possible he is scum, so that I can look at his filter objectively. Although, right now my gut says it's unlikely.

On August 22 2013 07:43 DeusXmachina wrote:


It might have been the only option. He probably would not have said to target iV because he recently pulled his vote off of him. Also if you consider that fact the slam voted iV day 1, that means it's highly unlikely iV is scum. Why would a scum want to bus his teammate day 1.

On August 22 2013 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
Like I said earlier, who would be better to leave in the game? The antagonistic douche losk or the non contributer who could be modkilled into someone productive

On August 22 2013 12:51 iVLosK! wrote:
Continued flawless win record.

On August 22 2013 21:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
gg guys

day 1 was sooooo slow oh my god xD