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DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:24 GMT
#924
On August 21 2013 07:23 Holyflare wrote:
this game is beyond comical


We will see who is laughing when your targets start flipping.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:28 GMT
#929
On August 21 2013 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 07:24 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 21 2013 07:21 Holyflare wrote:
the slam switch was in the last 10 minutes of the day, there is no way scum would join on it when everyone was around


And why not!! Look at how much town cred Umasi got last game for voting Gotard.


he joined right at the start, gotard was being useless and was obviously getting lynched that day, not to mention that vote was NOT plurality

in this game plurality means the lynches could swing either way REALLY easily... at the current state of the game town is really far ahead and voting off a scum in the last 10 minutes of a lynch of day 2 when he had 0 votes previously would just not happen


Lol. You apparently didn't even follow that game. So stop talking about it. The only thing that got Gotard lynch was a last minute vote switch by Zyrre. The only thing that got slam lynched this game was a last minute switch by lone
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:32 GMT
#932
On August 21 2013 07:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 07:28 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 21 2013 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
On August 21 2013 07:24 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 21 2013 07:21 Holyflare wrote:
the slam switch was in the last 10 minutes of the day, there is no way scum would join on it when everyone was around


And why not!! Look at how much town cred Umasi got last game for voting Gotard.


he joined right at the start, gotard was being useless and was obviously getting lynched that day, not to mention that vote was NOT plurality

in this game plurality means the lynches could swing either way REALLY easily... at the current state of the game town is really far ahead and voting off a scum in the last 10 minutes of a lynch of day 2 when he had 0 votes previously would just not happen


Lol. You apparently didn't even follow that game. So stop talking about it. The only thing that got Gotard lynch was a last minute vote switch by Zyrre. The only thing that got slam lynched this game was a last minute switch by lone


and why did umasi HAVE to blend in, because I fucking targeted all 3 scum on night 1 and got night killed for it and you STILL didn't pick up on that


Calm down Holy. Go get a tissue and wipe away those tears. This is just a game, and you are getting annoyingly personal.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:35 GMT
#936
On August 21 2013 07:33 Holyflare wrote:
also jat could easily leave his vote on you and you would have been lynched and nobody would have asked ANY questions seeing as I was the only one on slam at the time, and no lynch or a town lynch is 100x more preferable to what just happened to scum


Well duh. If JAT voted me it could have come back to haunt him. In fact, the only person that voted me is Omni, who I doubt is scum anymore.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:36 GMT
#938
Ok. Clearly I am in the wrong, and you are not being a total asshole. Ill take note and try to stop tunneling.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:38 GMT
#940
On August 21 2013 07:36 Holyflare wrote:
I was on you, omni was on you and jat was on you... I switched to slam and I was the only one on him then JAT did which made all the votes equal why would he even risk that when he could just stay on you and hope lone switched to you??


JAT wasn't on me
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:42 GMT
#946
On August 21 2013 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
sorry I meant lone, me and omni

the point still stands there is no way jat would go on slam just so someone would switch


He didn't go on Slam just so someone would switch. How did he know that lone was going to switch?
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:48 GMT
#950
Holy the way I see it is this. In a small game, with only 2 scum. It's highly likely that scum will bus each other at one point in time. The last game we played Umasi actually attacked both of his scum buddies. Made cases against them and voted them. It got him town cred. SO why is it unreasonable to say that JAT voted slam to get town cred? It worked didnt. You guys are not even going to pursue him anymore right? Another scenario. He votes slam, and hopes for a no-lynch. If slam is later discovered to be scum, that's more amazing town cred for JAT, and it's a win win right, slam doesn't get voted off and JAT gets a ton of town cred. He bandwagoned on that vote, just like he has done on every other vote. You said it yourself right after the slam lynch.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:49 GMT
#951
On August 21 2013 07:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 07:44 Holyflare wrote:
Why would he ever risk it when he could just go on you and 3 people would be on you??? Nobody would ask any questions

That's the point here.


Because I took a very strong stance on JAT. If I got lynched, I would flip town, and people would start questioning JAT or reconsidering my reads.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:57 GMT
#954
On August 21 2013 07:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 07:49 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 21 2013 07:45 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 21 2013 07:44 Holyflare wrote:
Why would he ever risk it when he could just go on you and 3 people would be on you??? Nobody would ask any questions

That's the point here.


Because I took a very strong stance on JAT. If I got lynched, I would flip town, and people would start questioning JAT or reconsidering my reads.

Almost everyone thought you are scummy. Why should they start questioning me for voting you if I had the most reason of all people to think you are scummy?


Don't you think people would start questioning those who voted against me. Escpecially you because you had the biggest motive to vote me off? It could be taken both ways.

Or are you saying that I have been playing so terribly that nobody would doubt your intentions?
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 22:58 GMT
#955
On August 21 2013 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Also I don't really follow your logic. In a 2 player scumteam there is no reason to bus your partner if it isn't absolutely necessary.


Sure there is. You make the most of the two players you have. If slam is coming under heavy suspicion. That's all the more reason you could bus him. It was probably just a matter of time until slam got lynched right? It doesn't hinder your night kills in anyway if he gets lynched. So why not bus him? It would get you tons of towncred.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 23:01 GMT
#956
Plus it would look suspicious if you didn't vote him right? Look who holy wants to target. Everyone who didn't vote Slam because they were not convinced he was scum.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 23:02 GMT
#959
On August 21 2013 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:
You are aware of the fact that slam was a scum role and not a goon, right? Great idea to bus my only scumbuddy who is not a goon and play 1 vs 5 from there on without any pressing reason for it.


The last game I played Umasi won 1 v 7 because he got awesome towncred for busing his scum buddy.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 23:05 GMT
#963
I guess it really doesn't matter. I am not convincing anyone. If you guys want to lynch me, go ahead, however it will be a big mistake. Is there anyone you guys want me to focus on day 3?
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 23:07 GMT
#966
On August 21 2013 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
Slam was a spur of the moment last second switch not an inevitable kill. Umasi last game HAD to bus his team because sc_am was useless and gotard and him were linked, he made no fight against gotard until my night post and then he came out all guns blazing which was very out of character, but you were too concerned with 1 aspect of his vote and that threw you off him completely... In this game jat was under no threat of link with slam, no danger of getting lynched probably in this entire game, it just doesn't make sense


Ok fair enough. Is there anyone you would like me to focus on day 3?
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 23:09 GMT
#968
Do you guys think I didn't bring up any good points in my case against JAT?
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 20 2013 23:54 GMT
#986
Ok I will focus on iV and Omni tonight and tomorrow night. But my stance on JAT has not changed. . Holy make sure and post a if I die before tomorrow at noon mdt.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 21 2013 04:58 GMT
#987
I have been thinking about the Alakaslam vote. I realize, that it is very unlikely that JAT would try to bus a scum mate in the way he did. Furthermore, like you guys said, it is even more unlikely that scum would come to such a conclusion on a short notice, as it would require talk between both Alakaslam and JAT. The more likely possibility is that JAT is town, and voted off a scum. So that being said, this is my formal apology for tunneling you JAT. I was convinced that you were scum, so I concluded that your actions were scummy despite the more likely alternative. I have learned this is called confirmation bias. I know this is what you guys tried to tell me, but the important thing now is I am on the right track. I am sure it must have been frustrating!

The best thing I have done this game, is defending myself, during what would have been a mislynch, and my case against Omni. I will re-evaluate Omni and iV in the days to come. I think my case against Omni still has some applicable points. However, I must make sure I am not creating evidence when there is non.

So my final thoughts: In order to be an asset to town, I will do what I can to help out by pursuing the two likeliest targets, Omni and JAT. I think the best way to communicate to you guys that I am town, is to admit that I was wrong, and move on.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 21 2013 21:45 GMT
#1121
Why are you guys arguing with Holy? I don't really see anyone discussing his case. If you don't think his case is valid, Omni, I would like to hear some reasons why. The fact of the matter is, Holy is one of the towniest members here. He was the first to make a big case against slam, and he was first to instigate the slam vote. This would be totally unnecessary as scum. So if you don't believe that Holy is scum, than believe that you are listening to a townie. His points are valid and he is doing legitimate scum hunting. Omni, you voted me, but I feel like you have not really built upon your first case against me. So what are some of your reasons for voting me, other than the ones you brought up in your first case, and the one shortly after?

One thing that Holy touched on, that I would like to reiterate: Why did not switch your vote to Slam if he was your number two read? When everyone switched off of me, I was in no danger of being lynched. Thus, your vote on my was pointless. Maybe I missed your response.

Tonight I am going to look into iV, mainly for my own reasons, I still need a little convincing before I make my vote. I promise to look at him with as little confirmation bias as I can muster. I have been trying to convince myself that it is possible he is scum, so that I can look at his filter objectively. Although, right now my gut says it's unlikely.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 21 2013 22:05 GMT
#1124
On August 22 2013 02:59 OmniEulogy wrote:
So I feel like things are fairly obvious at the moment for who to go after.

I think we've got this in the bag town, LosK or Deus are most likely the last scum. Deus' soft defending of Slam all game and his attempt and convincing us Slam was town as he was being lynched, who could have seen in the last 3~ minutes the votes changing and Slam getting lynched because he would make yet another terrible vote. As has been said before, Why would you bus your power role scum buddy? Slam seemed to be trying to get votes off of Deus as well with his voting on and off him, possibly hoping the two votes that ended up on Lone would be enough.

Alternatively we have LosK who I believed to be leaning town this game up to the Slam lynch. His vote on Lone was strange given everything that has happened, Slam and LosK have had conversations with each other that have had absolutely nothing to do with anything and my previous assumption that scum wouldn't play so ballsy may have been off the mark. It seems like he genuinely just doesn't care too much which makes it very possible for him to be our last scum.

JAT still town!
LoneMeow also very likely town.
Holy is now neutral for me. I no longer believe he is scum due to the two other possibilities.


I just want to point out that I was clearly not trying to convince you guys slam was town. The only thing I said that could be interpreted in that regard was, "I will not bus a fellow townie for my own benefit." That was in response to being pressured to vote switch off of JAT to slam. Lets consider my actions from both a scum perspective and a town perspective.

Town first: I genuinely thought Slam was town, and expressed that many times. A large part of the arguments against him were because of his Xzavier vote. Similar arguments could be made against me and I am town. Like a said before, many times, I do not think the Xzavier lynch gave us concrete information. It was not alignment indicative. Instead, the best attack on Slam was Holy's case against him. I also firmly expressed that I thought JAT was scum so I pursued JAT. Last minute I did not switch my vote because I was so caught up on JAT and believed Slam to be town.

Scum: Both Slam and I massively fucked up on the Xzavier lynch. We both saw an opportunity to lynch a townie and in the minutes before the lynch we both came to the conclusion that it would be best to lynch a townie, disregarding any connections that this might insinuate. Alakaslam decided he would bus me by voting me, yet decided to vote another townie instead. I defended Slam and chose not to bus him, again disregarding any connections that this might insinuate. Slam decided he would not help me on my case with JAT and instead voted Lone, an unlikely candidate for lynching.

If you consider the two situations objectively, I think it becomes increasingly clear that I made my choices as a townie, however bad they might have been.
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