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DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 05 2013 22:46 GMT
#51
/in
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 06 2013 03:33 GMT
#58
Hey reps. You excited for game 2?
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 10 2013 20:06 GMT
#96
/out
/obs
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 10 2013 20:21 GMT
#98
On August 11 2013 05:19 reps)squishy wrote:
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On August 11 2013 05:06 DeusXmachina wrote:
/out
/obs

Deus my Murderer why?!


I am ultra pissed at myself. I want to obs this game to learn something before I play another newbie game and fuck it up for the team.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 10 2013 21:49 GMT
#102
Okay. I must say, despite me failing in massive proportions, the game was still very fun.
/in
Umasi you should stay in. You are uber good. Whats more important? A good education, a bright future, a good job or being UBER AWESOME at mafia? Common, the answer is obvious. Also I want to try and lynch you day one to enact my revenge. Muahahahaha.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 10 2013 23:17 GMT
#105
On August 11 2013 08:04 Alakaslam wrote:
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On August 11 2013 06:49 DeusXmachina wrote:
Okay. I must say, despite my misperceptions of my own performance, the game was still very fun.
/in
Umasi you should stay in. You are uber good. Whats more important? A good education, a bright future, a good job or being UBER AWESOME at mafia? Common, the answer is obvious. Also I want to try and lynch you day one to enact my revenge. Muahahahaha.

Fixed.

Keep putting up reads, understand though that a newbie requires more caution between seeing bad town vs scummy. Remedy? Coaches.

Guys I practically wasted my newbies basically by talking to coaches only when I was in mind-boggling trouble. Don't wait. Mafia is not flying an airplane. You don't learn by flying solo; you learn by BEING TAUGHT or studying. So just pick a random time and piss off your coach before you stop chatting with him/her. (A little hyperbole there). Feel free to quote the thread, ask I something is scummy etc, because this will help you learn how to make reads. I was barely getting by, because of actually all 3 coaches but how Geript helped is a different story (helped depersonalize the game a bit) but basically I would have ceded even faster. If I had sought coaching earlier, I might have avoided a lot of the trouble I created for myself.


Good advice slam. I should have pmed Hapa more. Also sorry for tunneling you at the end .
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 12 2013 02:27 GMT
#130
On August 12 2013 11:21 Umasi wrote:
haha, class starts in a week for me, so if this game takes let's say two more to start, then three days per day/night cycle, by the beginning of day three I'd be busy doing things (like arguing with cops)


Well if you get to class early, lets say 15 minutes, you could read the thread. If you use public transportation, 20 mins. A boring lecture, 50-75 minutes. Studying in the library? Fuck that. 30 minutes. Break in between classes, 30 minutes. It adds up so quickly. At a party? 1 hour.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 13 2013 01:26 GMT
#145
On August 13 2013 09:26 iamperfection wrote:
/in


I think most people would agree that you are too newb for this game.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 15 2013 19:11 GMT
#199
Lurkers will not be tolerated! We don't want you in our game if you are going to lurk. You shouldn't need a warning, but just in case, here it is: Don't lurk or you will be lynched.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 15 2013 19:46 GMT
#201
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 15 2013 19:54 GMT
#204
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
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On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 15 2013 20:14 GMT
#208
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
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On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 15 2013 20:23 GMT
#210
Analyzing peoples previous games to determine their role this game, good or bad in newbie?
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 15 2013 21:36 GMT
#214
On August 16 2013 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:
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On August 16 2013 05:26 iVLosK! wrote:
Using meta on noobies is usually useless, in my experience.

So, how much experience do you have? I guess you played 1 game on TL... other sites?


Why do you ask?
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 15 2013 22:16 GMT
#217
On August 16 2013 06:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Because he makes it look like is very experienced and after playing one game this seems odd to me. I would like to know if he is just a show off or actually not really a newbie because it might influence my read on him later on.


If I had to guess I would lean slightly townie on iV because of his aggressive first post (not counting the rap). Although, one post is virtually nothing to go on. Especially the first one. Your guess on iV JAT?
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 16 2013 04:05 GMT
#229
On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:
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On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.


Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it.

Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:
Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...)
HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys.

"Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2)

Fellows, pleeeze!!


Okay, sounds good. Biggest scum reads so far, Xzavier and reps. Lol at reps if he becomes a day 1 lynch again. Why am I suspicious? Well, they are lurking, and as I previously mentioned, lurking will not be tolerated. Pretty much neutral on everyone. Although, I am leaning slightly town on JAT.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 16 2013 05:48 GMT
#235
On August 16 2013 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 14:08 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.


Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it.

Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:
Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...)
HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys.

"Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2)

Fellows, pleeeze!!


Okay, sounds good. Biggest scum reads so far, Xzavier and reps. Lol at reps if he becomes a day 1 lynch again. Why am I suspicious? Well, they are lurking, and as I previously mentioned, lurking will not be tolerated. Pretty much neutral on everyone. Although, I am leaning slightly town on JAT.

Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff.


By the way, we don't have vigs. Read the game setup. Your point is valid though, discussing lurkers (especially this early) is pretty pointless.

Oh yeah, this isn't persona 4- herple diddly skerple xD

Well then yeah like u said its what, half of one real day in. Give them some moar time.

... Yeah. But also, iVLosk not trying to stifle talk, trying to improve talk. Read deus filter anyone?

Deus please elaborate, lurking > lying for scummy? Why should town bother with lies?


Bad town might bother with lies. Lets say they are about to be lynched, they lie and claim some blue roll to try and save themselves. You are more likely to catch a scum by focusing on lurkers than lie hunting imo, because you probably won't catch a scum lying. Really depends on the context too. For example, Gotard last game, fake copclaim last minute, to try and save himself. However, we were not suspicious of Gotard because we caught him lying, that was just the icing on the cake. We were suspicious of him because of his weird vote against infii and a good degree of lurking/not contributing.
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 16 2013 06:10 GMT
#242
WIFOM = wine in front of me right?
FoS = ?
Is there a list of this shit I can look at?
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 16 2013 06:11 GMT
#244
On August 16 2013 15:11 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 14:55 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On iVLosk!- you don't know him, he's like that. He doesn't put up with BS. He is not actually a newb, this is like running into Plexa on some forum he has yet to visit- he looks new but he is an Internet veteran. iVLosk! Is a skilled player and I would hate to lose him as town.


I actually do somewhat know his style, we were both in a game with him earlier, and that's why I said I need to be careful on how I read him, since he's a likely misread for me.

Since it seems to be just you and me here, let's talk about something. Your thoughts on Squibbles' first post?

Can you be a little more specific? I thought I addressed it right after it, above my Chloe post...


You addressed the content itself, but I was more curious of your thoughts of it as a first post. Did it seem like the way a town player would enter the game?


Seems like the way a new player would enter the game
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 16 2013 18:06 GMT
#268
On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 20:37 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Because it was mentioned someone did it in one of the last newbie games and because there were 2 townies who fakeclaimed cop in the first game I played.


Ok, I see.

What do you think of this game so far, any reads?

Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content.
I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game.



Yeah scum could talk policy all day. Lets put all this lying, lurking, and what-have-you talk aside for now. I am going to vote reps or xzavier if they don't start posting. I want to push for a lynch day 1, and as of right now they are the best candidates. If reps/xzavier are tied for first then a close second would be, well.... everyone else. Although, I can't help be suspicious of holy. Last game he was pretty try-hard and this game he seems pretty detached. I won't press it for now though because he said he was busy. Anyway, I think our goal should be pressuring xzavier and reps to get them to participate. Lurkers won't be tolerated!
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