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If it starts next week, I can /out. | ||
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when is this starting. p.s. I'm going to be lurking this game. so feel free to call me snb | ||
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lol If im active this game; im prob scum lol.. the appeal of a 30 player game is *LONG* behind me. Voice mafia for the win ! | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:52 marvellosity wrote: Voice mafia is fun, but it's very shallow compared to forum mafia. Maybe, but with mafia and my life right now Im much more comfortable with a one-night stand | ||
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On September 18 2013 00:01 yamato77 wrote: I blame Mocsta lol.. becuase i didnt tunnel you? | ||
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MZ said THursday, not clear if day or night? | ||
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On September 19 2013 21:03 marvellosity wrote: If you're not going to comment on Crumblegate, don't comment at all <3 I love crumble with custard. Apple crumble is quite traditional and popular. But I prefer the modern take of rhubarb crumble with custard. | ||
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On September 19 2013 21:04 Koshi wrote: ARFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff I am going to have to go to Germany for 2 days for work. I'll have to catch a plane on Monday and will be back Wednesday. I am still going to stay in this game and fucking hope the hotel has wifi and post from phone. Activity will be lowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww during these 2 days though. You superanalitical guys better enjoy those first days of peace and quiet. D: ![[image loading]](http://image.thehothits.com/608x456/seal_as_a_seal_01_400x300.jpg) I'm the one at the bottom + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://image.thehothits.com/608x456/seal_as_a_seal_06_400x300.jpg) | ||
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On September 20 2013 09:58 Mattchew wrote: /in if you'll have me Hopefully ya forum town play is as clear as ya voice town play | ||
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Hi Guise ! Mocsta wrote at 9:50am: Mocsta reporting in ! I received my role PM ![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4r64p82Gw1qdey1zo1_400.jpg) Awwww.... I'm so cute !! Now as promised during pre-game: I am going to proceed to lurk and fly under the radar. Feel free to (discuss // vote) me to spur me into action. Bye Guise ! | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:43 geript wrote: Plus, DP makes more demanding instead of passive requirements. But really why should I blow my wad all over DP just to see him not hang. First major push never gets lynched. On September 21 2013 12:46 DarthPunk wrote: It wasn't a major push it was a flaccid penis. Yes, because it was premature. i believe this is exactly the point Geript was discussing. | ||
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Why art thou presence [RED]NOT[/red] been detected by virtue of filter? | | V On September 21 2013 10:55 Pandain wrote: ... On September 21 2013 11:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: 48 hours to kill a bitch, I'll find a picture and fix the time later *Was present 5 minutes before start. | | V On September 21 2013 13:37 Mocsta wrote: <Last post in thread> 2.5hrs later. Pandian presence is still unFELT | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:45 geript wrote: Moc who you up for lynching? @Geript, []hr Stop being useless. Since this 30 player game (with no OP filter links) started; approximately 1/3 of the player base has posted. There is no one I want to lynch vehemently with the current information. Who don't I like? DP and yourself are already on ignore. I dont care if scum or town, its just annoying to read and precisely why I prefer voice > thread currently. The two key people I don't like thus far are Kushmaster and Koshi. You didn't ask for reasoning, so i will comply with the request. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:57 DarthPunk wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2013 13:52 Mocsta wrote: @Geript, []hr Stop being useless. Since this 30 player game (with no OP filter links) started; approximately 1/3 of the player base has posted. There is no one I want to lynch vehemently with the current information. Who don't I like? DP and yourself are already on ignore. I dont care if scum or town, its just annoying to read and precisely why I prefer voice > thread currently. The two key people I don't like thus far are Kushmaster and Koshi. You didn't ask for reasoning, so i will comply with the request. That is a bad attitude to have. If people don't want to read don't join in the first place. SMH. How you supposed to catch scum if you don't read the only real thing that has happened so far? Firstly, please TL;DR what this "real thing" is. Cos from a glance is looks like a squabble. Secondly, I have no qualms reading a game. I read 130 pages in 24hrs to catch up GoT. I have qualms reading bullshit. Please enlighten me why it isn't bullshit though. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:10 DarthPunk wrote: I'm going to be candid here, at the risk of alienating a ?town? DP for the rest of the game.+ Show Spoiler + On September 21 2013 14:01 Mocsta wrote: Firstly, please TL;DR what this "real thing" is. Cos from a glance is looks like a squabble. Secondly, I have no qualms reading a game. I read 130 pages in 24hrs to catch up GoT. I have qualms reading bullshit. Please enlighten me why it isn't bullshit though. Geript made a meta case on me. He then refused to explain it, or push it. And when he finally did he denied it was a meta case when it clearly was and changed his entire argument. Basically the problem is this: Is geript scummy for the way he approached the case and the way he presents clearly faulty logic hard and very confidently or is he town? Basically. Can you empathise with geripts argument and see yourself as town being so utterly confident in a DP scum read 2 hours into the game based off one post and an irrational and Illogical argument? (1) I only glanced over those original posts (2) I am making this reply without re-reading those posts --> Which I do admit sucks a bit. however Based on the situation presented, I am likely to assume based on standard play that Geript is likely town. We all know basic play in this game; scum want to blend in and rarely *CHOOSE* to have that type of pressure on them immediately. Further, early Day1 play suggests that terrible and candid logic is 9 times out of 10 town. Again, the limelight. Perhaps late Day1 this can be re-evaluated, but for 2.5hrs into the game. I think this stands. I mean, by all means, if you can prove Geript likes to be limelight scum Day1, I'm willing to reconsider early too. But my experience with him is that again, this is not the case. You look bad for pushing it this hard. Bad does not equate to scummy though. Obviously there is nothing to respond to regarding my PANDAIN observation. However, why have you only pursued information regarding you/Geript; and left alone my lack of reasoning on Koshi/Kush? | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:22 kushm4sta wrote: your pandain observation doesn't mean anything. pandain is not a high volume poster. Right... So you think it is normal for someone to be confirmed present prior to deadline. And then disappear when its time to play? | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:28 Coagulation wrote: so summary of today DP and geript have a little pissing contest VE is cheer leading for team DP WoS Randomly gets FOSed Mocsta jumps in thread and starts pissing on team DP Mocsta trys to piss a little on pandain kush says stuff no one cares is that right? You forgot to add where you jump in to give a summary post with no reads. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He didn't CHOOSE to be in the limelight is the thing Mocsta, he was trying to get ME to be in the limelight for him. That is DP's ENTIRE contention with geript, and you completely ignore that part of the equation by refusing to look at the posts yourself. At first, geript was content to nudge me in that direction and then AFK. He literally said he was going to AFK until Sunday Mocsta, HE LITERALLY SAID THAT. But you wouldn't know because you're refusing to read the fucking game. Now: I wasn't even going to entertain your defense of him Mocsta, but you're twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way: you're reaching conclusions ADMITTEDLY without reading the thread. And you're trying to get people to look ELSEWHERE BASED ON IT, WITHOUT READING THE FUCKING THREAD. Chrust Lets do this, bish. (1) DP in his TL;DR never spoke about you. Stop being a narcissist like DP. (2) So you are saying (whilst wearing your heart on the sleeve) that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off?... Chrust (sic) back to you.. (3) Nice. If you are going to accuse me of "twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way"; then at least explain it. This reads as an outright smear campaign. Justify this pl0x. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2013 14:33 Mocsta wrote: Lets do this, bish. (1) DP in his TL;DR never spoke about you. Stop being a narcissist like DP. (2) So you are saying (whilst wearing your heart on the sleeve) that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off?... Chrust (sic) back to you.. (3) Nice. If you are going to accuse me of "twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way"; then at least explain it. This reads as an outright smear campaign. Justify this pl0x. 1) I'm not talking about DP I'm talking about geript. I'm not a narcissist, I'm just pointing out that OH WAIT LOOKIE HERE On September 21 2013 12:40 DarthPunk wrote: The thing is. He should have already posted and discussed all this if he is as convinced I am scum as he seems. It is telling that he did not. It is scummy that he tried to get VE to do it for him. HE DID MENTION ME GOSH GOLLY GEE!!! 2) No I'm not saying "that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off". That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that it's suspicious that he wanted ME to make a case on DP instead of explaining his reasoning himself. He was content that I was suspicious of DP and voting for him. That IS suspicious Mocsta, whether it's D1 or D9. 3) See the previous 2 points. You're literally opting out of reading the thread, yet are calling my and DP's suspicion of geript bullshit and trying to get the thread to look elsewhere. You're now IN ADDITION trying to contort my own words to suit your own interpretation of them. This is all in the thread and I have to explain nothing, because it's what you're doing. Twice in this post you've said I'm saying things that I'm not. Twice in this one post Mocsta. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=31#615 That is what I have been basing my comments on. VE is not mentioned. Pretty clear and simple. Now, unlike DP TL;DR; yours actually reads as it has merit. I will re-read that section of play and weigh in when im back. + Show Spoiler + As an aside; but not relevant anymore. Point 3 is an absolute joke. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Before i gp. Mocsta, what's your reafd on me ? Irritating as usual. That we both had an early distaste on Koshi makes me want to like you as a town. But realistically, firmly null for the time being. And seriously. Stop posting drunk. If you want to be respected in any games, you need to stop doing that. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'M WATCHING YOU MOCSTA. DON'T GET CAUGHT SLIPPIN BRO. Srs though plz just make some time to read everything that's happened. Put emphasis on geript, the timing of how it all went down. Now: in response to your Pandain push, I'll certainly read what he has to say when he comes back. Is it weird that he hasn't posted since pregame? Yes. Is it damning? Absolutely not. No matter what he says when he comes back, it will tell us more about his alignment than the fact that he hasn't posted yet now. im actually building a chair atm, and then have to shoot off. But like i said, when i get back I will re-read it all. Yes emphasis Geript. If what you say is true (About manipulation), early day1, that is indeed scummy. As for pandain, yes that is why i called it an observation. It is indeed critical for him to respond to the thread though sooner than later. | ||
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On September 21 2013 16:29 ObviousOne wrote: + Show Spoiler [*yawn*] + K read it all twice. Hi OO ! + Show Spoiler + Whacky intro going after someone because they were around right after game start when they were there right before. Not that it isn't a point of evidence potentially but that it's utterly useless on its own. Mocsta knows better than that. How is it much different from my post at the start? The difference is a post count of 0 compared to 1. Binary dude. Its all in the binary ! Do you know Pandain's time zone and schedule? Would you like it if I said yes? The answer is.... + Show Spoiler + Bye Guise ! | ||
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On September 21 2013 16:56 ObviousOne wrote: BIG WORDS !!!So Mocsta, Koshi, maybe a side of Kush if he never delivers on that case because it otherwise means he's been talking out of his ass. I'm not sure how I want to deal with the geript situation. Whether he's scum or town, he feels cancerous. I was cool with it last game because I was scum and he was like super wrong and fucked with town and it was great, but today I'm not feeling accepting. His playing like this, feels to me, like he sets himself up at best lynch/mislynch of the game to force people to take sides on it. Like he's the only person playing and we're just NPCs. I really would rather not lynch him if he's town, his position is "accept it or whatever" apparently, so can we collectively ignore the shit out of him and focus on things that seem more rational or sane or do we have to lynch him to move on? I'm happier with the former. I'd rather not appeal to his ego by making today about him, which is where his play seems to be geared. Can potentially just vig him if he becomes a problem. have you been playing on MS ! | ||
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I don't understand what you are implying with 'hello town VE'. If you think it is town of VE to bring this to the thread; why are you giving me shit for making pandain observations? If you are being sarcastic; why do you think it is insignifcant that Pandain votes without thread presence? Explain. P.S. i was expecting over the past 25min or so, for you to be querying me. Considering you "read the game twice"; tried to cast me as a villain along with Koshi; and then made a hoo-haa about wanting to talk to me. Im off; but would like an answer to the above. | ||
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On September 21 2013 17:39 ObviousOne wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2013 17:27 Mocsta wrote: I don't understand what you are implying with 'hello town VE'. If you think it is town of VE to bring this to the thread; why are you giving me shit for making pandain observations? If you are being sarcastic; why do you think it is insignifcant that Pandain votes without thread presence? Explain. P.S. i was expecting over the past 25min or so, for you to be querying me. Considering you "read the game twice"; tried to cast me as a villain along with Koshi; and then made a hoo-haa about wanting to talk to me. Im off; but would like an answer to the above. VE said he was going to bed. Then he presumably couldn't sleep. [Scum sleep very well FYI] QED he's town! You picked on Pandain and then said goodbye. Then you came back wondering why I was picking on you for what you deemed to be similar. [Also this hit and run tactic you're playing is disconcerting] QED you're less town than VE! I don't know if you're scum but I certainly don't have a town read on you based on what you've done so far. Your answer about it being a binary idea threw me off, I thought there would be something more to it, so I am not really satisfied with the answer. Then again, I didn't really expect an intricate answer either, so I'm still confused: Why Pandain, what made Pandain special that you sought to look him up / keep tabs on him based on the pre-game? Did you just notice it to bring it up? Correct. Was there a motivation or other information you have that leads you to believe that Pandain is someone worth paying attention to right at the beginning of the game? If I thought he was worth paying absolute attention to, I would have put a vote. It was an observation, to prompt him to contribute. It worked somewhat. He laid an unjustified vote.We have more information now since some time has passed, so I'm mostly curious about what it was at that point in time that had you preoccupied with him. When I came back to the thread, and started skimming because everyone sounded like they were butthurt instead of hunting scum. Then I remembered Kush sayiung me/Pandain should be modkilled. Then I coudlnt recall pandain making a post.. which made me uneasy.I can't speak for everyone; but I was getting pissed off waiting for MZ to start the game. All I wanted to do was make a fisrt post, and then proceed to lurk because it was saturday day, and I had shit to do. Instead I had to keep sitting at the comp for liek1 hr, pressing F5.. In my frustration i made that post "..."; considering pandain copied me, i figured he felt the same way as opposed to trolling. Hence, to my surprise he was not quick at the bat to make a post; nor a post throughout the first couple hours. Henceforth me calling him out. "It's a binary thing" is a non-answer to me. Correct; but the original question was stupid and pointless. So you got a stupid and pointless answer.Shit in, Shit out. | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:03 Koshi wrote: Who isn't town? On September 21 2013 11:05 Risen wrote: Not me. I would like to see more from Risen. This is something I would have no qualms doing as scum. My issue is after this post, he fucked off. Maybe its timezones, who knows? Either way, I want to see more from this guy "who isn't town". Risen; opinion on Koshi please. | ||
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Sorry for the cop-out; but I will give you my thoughts on the Geript/DP situation having onyl re-read up to p28 (where Geript says, see you on Sunday. Bye). (Copping out, cos im busy till voice mafia starts. and then.. its voice mafia lol. so wont be reading this). Basically; im suspicious of Geript up to that point. Reading the posts and giving him benefit of the doubt. He suspects DP is scum for not being assertive. OK fair enough perhaps. My issue is how he pushes after that... instead of trying to firm up his read on DP and inquiring about him. Geript reads to be as emotionally unattached and making posts to bait DP into a fury. I agree that two people fighting early on, are typically town; but usually ppl are trying to out-wit each other in the battle to declare the other, scum. I just don't get that feeling from Geript. He just feels removed. I am not a pro at blue-hunting, but I dont think a blue role would be this type of removed either, which leads to leaning scum. I know Geript made a defense case later on, so once I have read the whole thread again, I will let you know if I feel strongly enough about this lean to lead with a vote. P.S. I think its townie points that DP/VE didnt want to get into a shitfight. Even though he says he isn't "meta-able' I think that a scum DP would be more than happy to get into a shitfight this early on, and then rest of his laurels for a cycle or two. Over n Out. | ||
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Potentially both mafia? I thought you were entertaining the notion Pandain was alignment-null only? Weird post in general. Either way, not much more can be done till others chip in as they wake up. | ||
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On September 21 2013 21:55 LoneMeow wrote: Not sure what to make of this geript vs the world thing. Mocsta jumping on Pandain (before the ninja vote) seemed weird and I am suspicious. I do want Pandain to explain his vote though. Until he does, ##Vote: Pandain I'm here; what don't you like about my explanation here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#684 | ||
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K, read everything. In short: + Show Spoiler [Re-Geript] + Geript feels distanced, fixated on a lone, early post; and his prods feel like he is more interested in stirring the pot. HOWEVER, I am still not fully sold that is scum play, because I just don't see Geript as the type of scum player to want this much attention on himself (especially when he admitted he has finals coming up). Early polarizing situations usually contain two townies. Now, for the VE addition: "he tried to get me to do his dirty work" (paraphrased obviously). Now I have done a full re-read, I am not sold on this. FACT: Geript pointed out the post he thought made DP scum before you said DP was scum. So when he made his comment but did not link you to it; I think it was just a townie assumed you were keeping track of every word that sprouts out of his mouth - hence would know the post he already alluded to. So to be wishy-washy: Geript has some exhibited fundamentally poor play. I'm don't think this makes him confirmed scum. Im prob a slightly leaning scum read. So who do I think needs to step up and has posted From a re-read, theres a couple I really want to see more of: - Risen // Pandain // Koshi // Kush (As an aside, my vote on Kush was never policy. It was because he requested me to be modkilled... last time Kush tried to do that he was scum + I just dont see a town Kush giving a shit about rules like that) Who will I vote for? ##Vote: WaveofShadow When Geript/DP were going at it; Rayns post mimic'd my exact thoughts. "blah blah blah" Wave I think tried to replicate that, but felt disgenuine to me. He was present several times in the thread (esp. when called out) and even though he commented on Geript, it was by request. Even so, I just dont feel an urge from him to solve the game. I actually dont have a problem he wants to lurk; day1 in a 30 player game is a shit fest... Its just, he is saying he wants to lurk; and then attempts to contribute, but actually says nothing. I think thats one of the scummiest things that has happeend so far. This is Wave filter if you want to double check / discuss further. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=WaveofShadow | ||
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On September 21 2013 22:29 LoneMeow wrote: It feels like you were just looking for someone to jump on. That doesn't feel very town way to play D1. Not enough to say I'd have a scum read on you, but I'll be watching your actions. you do that. btw. your actions are ironic. | ||
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On September 21 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote: I want to lynch Mocst Reason: People that make special posts always end up being scum. Acrofoles: GoT Persona: Crazometer Aperture: Alakaslam (he was even more special than otherwise, with the evul bee posts) Golden Sun: BH Right... So lets get you useful. Is Geript scum? | ||
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On September 21 2013 22:41 kushm4sta wrote: how am i making sense?? all i remember doing is calling getript town which im probably wrong about anyway Why have you changed your mind? | ||
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On September 21 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote: I have 0 clues. The guy had a superpowerful role in aperture and we all know how that ended. But I am very friendly towards geript because he is friendly towards me. yeah OK, more stuff that means nothing. That was a different game. You know; i have seen you replace in as town, and your game play was very different to what you are doing now. Day1 spaztic mode is over. So lets try again, one more time. - cos you didn't give a definitive answer on where you stand. Read on Geript. Then Read on WaveofShadow. | ||
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On September 21 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2013 22:51 Mocsta wrote: yeah OK, more stuff that means nothing. That was a different game. You know; i have seen you replace in as town, and your game play was very different to what you are doing now. Day1 spaztic mode is over. So lets try again, one more time. - cos you didn't give a definitive answer on where you stand. Read on Geript. Then Read on WaveofShadow. :D I do not want to lynch geript. Reason: He is making cases + he is a friendly fellow. Case(s) ??? i thought he made one case based on DPs second post of the game? Why is making cases alignment indicative? Are you content with the cases? => Do you think DP is scum? I could lynch WoS atm. He tried to fling shit at VE for not going to bed when he said he was going to bed. Unless he is VE his mother there is no reason to make that post. So why is flinging shit at VE for not goign to bed, alignment indicative? | ||
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On September 21 2013 22:56 kushm4sta wrote: Personally I do not tihnk VE is scum and that is becauseof the way he is capitalizing words is not scummy. Kush; indulge me. Why did you want me modkilled, along with pandain. | ||
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On September 21 2013 23:07 kushm4sta wrote: becuse you talked when you said you cant talk Have you turned a new leaf or something? Since when do you care as town? | ||
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On September 21 2013 23:07 Koshi wrote: Yes, I do not know if geript scum. So the only reason to lynch him would be to look at if he is useful or not. He makes cases so I do not want to lynch him. Same story for WoS but he turns to the go!go! lynch part. Dnu what is so hard to understand. Why is making cases alignment indicative? | ||
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Koshi He makes cases so I do not want to lynch him. Doesnt say anything about why making a case makes you not want to lynch him. Geript made a case A: Koshi likes the case. This must mean you think the case has merit => DP is scum.. *You avoided answering this question* B. Koshi doesnt like the case. This doesn't make sense. If you don't like it, why are you blindly sticking up for Geript. So explain in layman terms for a dumbo like me... Why is Geript making cases alignment indicative. & Is DP scum? | ||
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On September 21 2013 23:23 Koshi wrote: C. Koshi doesn't give 2 fucks about the case but loves the fact geript makes cases. <Addendum> The case wasn't total shit for being a couple hours into the game. So extra points for geript. No you came back into the thread, and ignored the entire whirlwind of Geript/DP to want to lynch me because of "special posts".. Also, I am not defending geript. You keep asking me about geript. I simply answer. Disagree. On September 21 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote: You are making some sort of connection for him being town.<Regarding Geript> The guy had a superpowerful role in aperture and we all know how that ended. But I am very friendly towards geript because he is friendly towards me. I will leave this alone for a little though. Technically, you did answer the questions, regardless of whether it satisfies me. Why didn't you consider the fact that Kush wanted to see you 2 modkilled for posting "..." in the silent period. And why are you so butthurt about that fact? You even voted kush. Rules are Rules. Kush has been banned before for abusing rules. Hes the last person i would expect to give a shit about others doing the same. + last game I replaced into where kush was scum, IIRC he tried to get me modkilled ASAP as well. I just dont see a town kush giving a shit about stuff like that. Personal heuristic.Regardless, I voted wave of shadow yonks ago. I got no new questions. Need more ppl to come back into the thread. | ||
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On September 21 2013 23:31 Zaragon wrote: Does anyone who has played with him before get any tell about whether his pattern seems more or less deliberate than his usual town? I had this feeling early and it's lingering I have a much stronger town read on DP >> VE. Originally, I thought VE looked really good for pointing out the Geript "manipulation" stuff. But having read the game I dont think the point is that valid. -> its a 50/50 call to me whether it was scum manipulation or town arrogance. Now, VE is back to null for me. I dont get why me pointing out pandain is scummy. I get the point about instructing him to "post".. BUT.. would i not just do this in the QT? seriously, as scum, i dont think there is town cred to be gained by avoiding the current conversation (Geript/DP) to bring that to the fore. | ||
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On September 21 2013 23:43 VisceraEyes wrote: And I find it an odd coincidence that you mention Wave as your next most suspicious. At the time all of that was going down, I thought geript and Wave were BOTH doing something you accused geript of, trying to whip DP into a fury. Yes, both were baiting DP, but the key difference is that Geript was actually lined up in the firing range. Re-reading, I found waves posting opportunistic. If town, I just dont really get what he was trying to achieve. Exacerbated by him saying he wanted to lurk etc. | ||
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On September 21 2013 23:52 Koshi wrote: I have already explained this to both you and Kush. Take it or leave it.+ Show Spoiler + On September 21 2013 23:35 Mocsta wrote: No you came back into the thread, and ignored the entire whirlwind of Geript/DP to want to lynch me because of "special posts".. Disagree. You are making some sort of connection for him being town. I will leave this alone for a little though. Technically, you did answer the questions, regardless of whether it satisfies me. Kush has been banned before for abusing rules. Hes the last person i would expect to give a shit about others doing the same. + last game I replaced into where kush was scum, IIRC he tried to get me modkilled ASAP as well. I just dont see a town kush giving a shit about stuff like that. Personal heuristic. Regardless, I voted wave of shadow yonks ago. I got no new questions. Need more ppl to come back into the thread. I didn't want to lynch either geript or DP. I had my eye on you. I am not defending geript. I am defending myself not having a read on geript. I don't make a connection for a town geript. I point out that geript is not easily readable and an hothead. Well he does. Still you didn't answer my question. Everybody knew it was because you 2 typed in the silent period. Most of us probably after 0.5 seconds thinking, why did it take you 6 hours to not eliminate all other options for Kush asking that? + Show Spoiler + See above.On September 21 2013 23:01 Mocsta wrote: Kush; indulge me. Why did you want me modkilled, along with pandain. So third time. Why did you ask this? Did you really have no clue? Scum motivation ---> Interacting with others. | ||
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On September 21 2013 23:57 Stutters695 wrote: So I'm awake. Can you clarify this for me Mocsta. I got that you're implying that a caring kush is a scum kush, but this post imply you think he's town. Can you explain what's different about him this time to why you think he's town instead of scum? Is this a serious question? Out of everything in the thread, you are pulling up this quote; and completely taking it out of context? WTF Comeback when you have read the game... NOT a good start for you. | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:05 geript wrote: Chill Moc, it's not that huge. I still don't get why you like DP at all. Either way lets move on a new subject some, can you fully explain why you don't like my wubbybumpkins? I have lots of little reservations about him. Playing voice mafia now, and its fuckn complicated - > 4bus drivers. So, will have to go into more detail tomorrow. If you have reservations, perhaps you can share now. Give us more insight into your mindset. | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:07 justanothertownie wrote: Hi guys... Mocsta do you think Koshi is town or scum? Btw. if anybody wants me to comment on something specific feel free to point me to it. I feel better about him now than I did early game. Null currently. Give a read on Sentinel + Wave pl0x | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:30 justanothertownie wrote: Wave: His posts about the Geript/DP argument (about them overdoing it) do make sense to me but they are not alignment indicative. Scum could easily point that out too. Null. What I don't really understand is this: What is the intention behind this? I must admit that I don't know DPs meta but it is not very townie to call someone out for trying hard as a townie. This is the crux of my issues as well. Welcome to the town club. | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I know nothing of DP. Enlighten me.If you guys know anything about DP then you know exactly why I asked those questions. | ||
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On September 22 2013 01:49 DarthPunk wrote: Geript as scum did it in the game.Why would scum vote but not explain their vote? Does it seem like a particularly good idea for scum to do it? I think it is more likely that town would do something like that, than mafia. which you were in... jeezzzz louise | ||
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On September 22 2013 01:59 DarthPunk wrote: I don't think it matters what I think is more or less likely. I still want him to contribute to the thread by the deadline,, preferably, within the first 24hrs.+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 01:56 Mocsta wrote: Geript as scum did it in the game. which you were in... jeezzzz louise Did I say it was impossible for scum to do it? no. But i think it is Less likely that scum would do it. Do you disagree with that? I can't think of a reason why you would want a different outcome? So, if you are commenting prematurely ---> are you finding it scummy that ppl want a response? otherwise, why not just wait for pandain to comment? | ||
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VE acknowledged my points on Geript. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#687 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#692 Where do you stand now? Nite. | ||
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At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch. Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game. Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now. Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3 | ||
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On September 22 2013 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Your backing down feels a touch forced to me, as were your original suspicions. Fine, my specific issue with your defense was the injection of the word "townie" as follows On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai ladies. I back. A few things: For those people asking about my intentions and posting regarding DP: I played a stretch of games with him a little while ago and became fairly confident in my townread of him. Ever since playing voice mafia with him I feel like my ability is now slightly crowded since I know a little more about him and his style. My prodding served two purposes: first of all, as some of you may or may not know, DP likes to play his game with a pinch of salt, that is to say, he gets angry/annoyed pretty easily. As such after delving a little into attempting to determine his alignment I decided to see how he'd react to some dumb (and yet truthful) comments:+ Show Spoiler + On September 21 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote: This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor. Are you 3P DP? DP didn't take easy bait here and has actively REALLY attempted to avoid shitting things up despite an aggravating geript (who I'm pretty sure is town, btw) and me to a lesser degree pushing him. More likely town for that as it's really easy to pawn off or excuse early game shitfests/trolling. The second purpose of my prodding, specifically the questions post, is that not only did I actually want to know the legitimate answers to those questions (which DP answered very well imo) I also wanted to gauge some other reactions to those questions as some people have noticed, is kind of an odd line of questioning and essentially only pertains to DP's specific meta, which I will explain here for people who don't know. DP is known as a very strong town player. As such he is often a target of mafia kills extremely early in many games, including dying on N0 games before he can even DO anything. He absolutely hates this (almost as much as he hates 3P survivor apparently, for similar reasons---hence my bait about 3P despite there obviously not being one in this game. DP didn't take it  ) The reason I asked him here is because as a townie, I very much want a town DP to be on my side and a part of the game as long as possible, so I was wondering if perhaps he would have considered changing his posting style slightly so if town, he could survive mafia hits a while longer. This doesn't appear to be the case and is perfectly fine. + Show Spoiler + Hopefully I will have no caught up to everything relevant regarding me up until recently. New stuff: Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something. Yamato, come on dude. You're not that bad. Frankly, that doesn't read like a natural stream of consciousness to me. As I said, because it was a defense, I think town or scum could have "refined" that statement by adding the clause "as a townie". Its an issue to me; but in isolation I don't want to lynch you over it. Overall your posting has been consistent in confidence. Bigger fish to fry; and sentinel represents a higher percentage to be scum as far as I am concerned. | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote: You're conflicting me btw.+ Show Spoiler + Hey everyone, this is my first post here. Sorry I haven't been around since the start since I was pretty busy, but I'm definitely going to dedicate a few hours today and tomorrow doing my best to contribute. This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience. Last game I learned that it's quite difficult to get strong reads on people during the day. Most my reads at the start were quite off. A lot of town said scummy things, and a lot of scum were quite pro town. However during the final hour when thing started being messy, there were strong reads everywhere. So this game I will try to focus on making things very difficult for scum during the last hour. If a town ends up being lynched day 1, I want as much information to come out of it as possible. So feel free to ask me anything and I will try to be as transparent as possible. If I see something fishy, I will definitely try to flush you out as well. What I want to know is: Why are you still trying to play "trap the scum" after it backfired so badly in your last game? I thought we coached this out of you? | ||
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But the other guy im wary of is Umasi. Same reasons as Sentinel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Umasi + Hes way too defensive//certain of pandain alignment before pandain posts. | ||
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On September 22 2013 14:41 Chairman Ray wrote: Thats great and all, but, there hasn't been a flip to analyse, let alone a mislynch.+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 14:28 Mocsta wrote: You're conflicting me btw. What I want to know is: Why are you still trying to play "trap the scum" after it backfired so badly in your last game? I thought we coached this out of you? I'm not playing the scum trap like I did last game. I'm not withholding anything, posting fake reads, or doing anything that's not completely genuine. However I do believe that analyzing a mislynch post-mortem isn't that productive and there's a lot that each town player can accomplish during the last hour, so that in the event of a mislynch, we have the information we need to narrow scum possibilities down to as few people as possible, and also to give the cop more productive reads as well. I think it would be tragic for the person lynched to lead in votes by a huge margin without much of a struggle, and having him flip town. That would tell us nothing coming into the second day. Whose scummiest on your radar; and why? | ||
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On September 22 2013 14:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Well fisrtly, you are taking the whole situation out of context. Its quite clear what I took issue in. It is far from semantics. What you wrote was not a genuine thought. It was refined. Its common knowledge that scum are typically the ones who struggle to post and need to incessantly proof-read their posts. So far from semantics.+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 14:22 Mocsta wrote: Fine, my specific issue with your defense was the injection of the word "townie" as follows Frankly, that doesn't read like a natural stream of consciousness to me. As I said, because it was a defense, I think town or scum could have "refined" that statement by adding the clause "as a townie". Its an issue to me; but in isolation I don't want to lynch you over it. Overall your posting has been consistent in confidence. Bigger fish to fry; and sentinel represents a higher percentage to be scum as far as I am concerned. It's an issue to people like you who try to lynch/suspect people over semantics, because then if I don't use those specific words you say something like: "Of course you want a town DP to be on your side as scum!" It's horseshit, Mocsta. I accept the fact that you've backed down from me because you realized your suspicion was dumb as balls. So you're voting Sentinel because he's policy voting Coag for being useless huh? What is the difference between this and your vote on Sentinel himself? I don't see it if there is one. Nice attempt at ad-hom as well. If you want to keep up this aggressive tone, lay down a vote on me; or shut the fuck up. My sentinel vote is far from policy lynch. I outlined why I think he is worthy of a vote based on flying under the radar by attempting to appear active, but actually contributing nothing. The same goes for Umasi. Sentinels, coag vote *was* for being useless etc, which as I outlined prior is dumb. Because players like that are 'lottery draws" on day1, regardless of being town or scum. | ||
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On September 22 2013 15:47 kushm4sta wrote: um mocsta it's a good thing to kill lottery draws d1, since d1you have the smallest chance of hitting scum anyway. Later days it's easier to catch someone with analysis, so why wait for those days to kill lottery draws? Because it gives no information for following cycles. If coag is flipped town... then what? If coag is flipped scum.. still then what? We start day1 again regardless. Shortsighted vision kush.... Frankly, most games i play in, scum is lynched day1 anyways. So i dont know what grass you are smoking today. | ||
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On September 22 2013 16:24 Chairman Ray wrote: yeah. those are fair points indeed.I have played past games with only a few of the players here. Here are my reads on then so far: Coagulation - He was town last time I played with him. Injected a lot of one liners to get discussion going, but never really participated in the discussions themselves. He's playing pretty similarly this game. Umasi - He was mafia last time I played with him. He was very active and capitalized the discussion from the start. Took a good degree of control over the town. He's a lot more mellow this game around. I filtered through posts, and the person who looks the scummiest to me right now is stutters. He's made only a few posts so far. Every post he's made is a poke at kush, but his very last post was questioning me on how I would try to play out the last hour to make things harder for scum. It seems that out of all these pages of posts, and all these players, he's only interested in getting people onto kush and learning my scum catching plan. That seems like a scum agenda to me. If it was you who asked me that question, I wouldn't mind it since you've been asking everyone questions about a lot of things. However stutters very selectively asking me that question instead of the countless other things that have been going on in this thread really screams scum to me. whether kush is town or svum, he is still a safe target to push. I didn't like how stutters entered the game to discredit me, and then fixated on kush. I am keen to hear stutters follow up to this. | ||
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On September 22 2013 16:06 Umasi wrote: I think your filyer avoids the big issues in the thread, even though your posting comes about when they happen.What makes it seem like I'm trying to fly under the radar? And I was contributing, why do you say I wasn't? and it was useless to stay on you lonemeow because it's not the votes going to pressure you at all, and you're still more than likely town. ~and so far, your reaction to it has been pretty townie imo, but this wasn't relevant at the time I unvoted because you hadn't responded~ (oh also, saw this in the mafia database earlier, less than 25% of day 1 lynches actually lynch scum, so truly you are a god among men mocsta) ray made a fair point, but a key difference between those two games is that this is a 30player game. it is much harder to assert ones self. overall I rate your contributions as lacklustre. | ||
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On September 22 2013 16:39 Umasi wrote: feel free to ask questions then OK. I dont follow the progression here. On September 22 2013 16:25 Umasi wrote: I think ray is probably town On September 22 2013 16:26 Umasi wrote: wait after reading his post (didn't see it when I posted) he's even more probably town Referring to post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=54#1073 Im more concerned about the first post. Why feel the need to give a free town read on someone that wasn't being discussed at the time. | ||
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Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? | ||
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On September 22 2013 18:51 FirmTofu wrote: I know this isn't addressed to me, but I would like to take a moment to address it. I hope you don't mind. As scum, I would use DP as a tool. I know DP is respected in this community and has the ability to sway lynches in his direction regardless of alignment. Assuming DP is town and I am scum, I would latch on to DP and win his trust. Then, I would exchange reads about other players and slowly convince him to vote whoever I wanted him to vote, essentially leading him astray. As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment. You can see which path I chose to take. Yeah dunno.. your posting is really reading forced to me. That alone doesn't make you scum. I can't follow the above though, regardless of forced/non-forced consciousness... its a lot of talk. As scum I would manipulate player X to be my puppet.. etc etc Very few scum players have that skillset to proactively choose a player to influence; most adapt to the situation as it unfolds. So the above reads as total bullshit to me. | ||
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On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote: Maybe im twisting context here.. but you buddied him the moment you rescinded your pressure....I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies. I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. | ||
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FT, can you please finish reading the game. You have given DP a clear, fine, watever; once you finished, let us know who should be lynched this cycle. | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:07 FirmTofu wrote: OK, lets make this relevant.Fair enough. I'll give you an example. An extremely relevant one at that. VE has basically been defending DP the entire game. DP, naturally, seems to have no qualms with VE. In fact, I'm fairly sure DP thinks VE is town. Assuming this is true, we must conclude that DP will give VE's opinion more weight compared to the average player in this thread. After all, VE is his town read and town are usually more reliable than scum. If VE is able to convince DP to change his vote on ANYONE, he has already demonstrated that his buddying allowed him to influence DP's vote. In the event that VE is scum, VE can use DP as the voice for his vote, allowing DP to take the brunt of the blame when things go wrong. DP ?might? think VE is town. What does FT think VE is? | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:11 FirmTofu wrote: OK, are you going to lay down a vote.+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 19:09 Mocsta wrote: OK, lets make this relevant. DP ?might? think VE is town. What does FT think VE is? I think it's fairly obvious. I think VE is scum. Or is there someone else scummier? | ||
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I can't have a go at him for posting before reading.. as town I do it all the time I can't have a go at him for "setting trapz" or whatever you want to call what his fabrications on DP; because stupid trapz are usually indicative of town heck, I can't even have a go at him for not wanting to vote until finished reading. yet, with all these things that point out to town... i just dont like him as ... town something just isnt clicking for me. I mean, sure. if you want to post thoughts as reading the thread fine... but, why keep talking to DP if you only up to p40? Why keep refreshing the latest page? Its weird, and then small stuff like On September 22 2013 17:45 FirmTofu wrote: (Page 33) . On September 22 2013 18:11 FirmTofu wrote: Does it really take 30minutes to read 2 pages; if you dedicating time to read through (which is publicised in the thread)... uhhggggg(Page 35) I dunno, the stuff FirmTofu is espousing just smells like shit to me. I'm keen to hear from someone not in the thick of it (i.e. NOT DP/Kush/FT/VE) | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:33 DarthPunk wrote: I could also lynch Kush BTW. Well you making a followup case on FT or Kush? | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote: Noted. Did you feel the justification/approach to that conclusion (VE is leaning scum) was similar?I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game. + Show Spoiler + I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is. Oh and from earlier: On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote: On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum? It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance. I dont fully get his read on VE personally. As half the thread has buddied to DP by calling him town. Technically anyone of those people can adopt the line of through FT thought was applicable solely to VE. | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:58 DarthPunk wrote: He said he did it on purpose as a way to read me. Like he was intentionally inconsistent so that he could see if I would pick up on it or not. This was all discussed on the previous page. I don't buy it. Clearly. As I am voting for him. Yeah, its easy to get butt hurt over stuff like that.. but.. in my experience 9/10 its town that do stupid stuff like this, and sometimes create even stupider cover stories because they dont want to admit they are wrong. Im still sussing out whether I think FT fits into that category.. as in, whether he is that 1/10 that is scum. | ||
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On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote: That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings. So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? | ||
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On September 22 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta, has your read on Koshi changed since yesterday? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=37#735 | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh right. Could you elaborate on the reasoning? Waht makes Sentinel's vote on Coag worse than Koshi's on VA? (I assume you are voting for Sentinel because of his vote as you gave no reasoning for the vote besides a link to his post - am i right?) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=53#1049 As for why sentinal > koshi Mainly because Koshi has still been responsive to pressure etc; and at times has commented on important thread matters. Sentinals filter just reads as blendy shite; and the vote was over compensated for what it was. | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote: So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious[/QUOTE] I dunno what "softening his play as scum" means. I thought it was suspicous because he dropped his read based on my counter-point so easily. What i wrote was my own insight, but certainly also far from fact. I personally was expecting him to hold his point of view, and counter, my counter-point. Unless of course I was that convincing. DP kinda suggested later that may have been the case. Perhaps this point of discussion isn't worth pursuing then. | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: What are the important matters Koshi has commented on and how is Koshi's responses to the pressure townie? I dont believe I said Koshi response made him town. As for the stuff Koshi commented on, it was mainly the back/forth I had with him. Im not against re-raeding Koshi. i plan to do a re-read tomorrow (literal; not cycle). I hosently, cant be bothered filter diving him currently though. Im only posting right now, because you asked me a question. | ||
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My mindset on Koshi is based on the first couple hours of the game; and now we are 24hrs + in, I haven't updated my read. Thats kinda why I said discussed important matters.. because my last recollection of him was that, when 3/4 of the thread was afk, he was still willing to chat with me. Overall, those points look pretty bad for Koshi. I can dig him over Sentinel for Day1; but I still need to do my re-read first. Sleep now ! | ||
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learn to play. i already addressed your pittance of a "case" against me. P.S. the chairman vote is terrible. | ||
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its odd, the timing of yamato post including the "i ignored koshi post" he comes in like a hero.. and isnt even reading the whole thread.. what a douche ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On September 22 2013 22:20 yamato77 wrote: Btw.. this type of post is I believe, why yamato was nailed as scum by Ver in Sicilian.Scum DP is actually more likely to only argue the entire game than town DP is. Honestly, DP refusing to do anything OMGUS people the whole game is not a point in his favor, it is a point against. You should know better, because in Persona, he was actually somewhat useful despite there being arguments in the game. Unfortunately, if DP is mafia, you're probably just bad. This whole situation between you and DP is entirely too convoluted for two scum to have constructed. And yes, I am calling DP mafia, for the record. He can very well play this game properly and not like a butthurt noob. Pro-tip: Don't listen to a player's opinion of their own meta. Or take "I do this as scum/town, too!" as a valid excuse for legitimately scummy play. Wave has picked up on the same thing that I've picked up on, and it makes me feel very good about this read. I rescind my early scum read on Wave. As in, he's actually posting? This line of questioning goes nowhere, because in recent memory, FT has simply not posted and been lynched for it. As town. Questioning the difference is completely pointless. Something is off with Rayn this game. His questions are generally stupid, but he's a special kind of useless so far and it's begun to seriously bother me. RE: VisceraEyes Still pretty scummy and useless. Can be scummy and useless as town. Not necessarily a good lynch. His alignment will be clearer the longer the game goes on. RE: Mocsta Has toned down his play to some extent but his early game still bothers me. His outright refusal to respond to me is ridiculous and a pathetic excuse to not face your accuser. I think he doesn't want to argue with me because he knows I can catch him. If Mocsta was town, I would have expected a far more vehement response to my accusations than "blahblah I didn't even read Yamato's posts except for the part where he called me mafia. Totes not true." This dude is now the best lynch in the game, for quite obvious reasons. ##Vote: Chairman Ray Starts off with.. DP is scum.. yet ends up with a vote on Chairman. Well done Noob-mato77 | ||
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On September 22 2013 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your post is saying "yamato is scum" (as the next post aswell). Why vote Koshi instead? Because, a lot of the thread likes Yam; and a case will be required. Koshi, not so much. | ||
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On September 22 2013 22:56 DarthPunk wrote: Wait. Wasn't yamato talking earlier about how scum mocsta was more aggressive/dickish? and now he is saying he would town mocsta to act that way. That makes no sense. Nice pick up. Ver strikes again. Is that liek 4 out of 5 games, yam is scum? | ||
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On September 22 2013 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Re-read. My posts dont get any blunter than what I wrote. It is what it is. Take it or leave it.+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 22:53 DarthPunk wrote: I have had a town read on mocsta for a while now. After a weirdly funky start he has been questioning and engaged with the thread. And when he says things it seems he has actually read and understood the thread which is more than I can say for most of the people in this game. I still need to read koshi's filter. But he has certainly been a non event in this game. The Key thing is whether that is because he is actually not doing much or because he is flying under the radar. I actually got the opposite feeing of him due to his stance on Koshi a while ago. Then he voted for Koshi and followed it with two posts that say "yamato is mafia". | ||
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?? Are you trying to tell me, that if you had two or three scum reads; you just random dip which one you push. Sometimes its based on % to flip scum Sometimes its based on getting town buy-in. Jeez.. stop playing so naieve. Do you really think after the fanfare yam got 12hrs ago, that hes going to be lynched Day1. News bulletin.. hes not; Koshi on the other hand can. This aint rocket science. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its about care factor Rayn. And i dont have enough. Theres what 6 scum? If I think yam is scum, so what, theres 5 others that I can push with less effort.I thought you were above this "this guy can't get lynched on D1 even if he is scum". Why don't you make a case on yamato if he is most likely to flip scum? Do you, or do you think Koshi is more likely to be scum than yamato? If you want to call me scum for that, then do it. and to answer your question: I dont care who is more likely to flip scum between ksohi and yam. for me, they both leaning. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:10 DarthPunk wrote: This is assuming at least two of (Geript, DP, Koshi) are town I gather?+ Show Spoiler + OK I read Koshi's filter and it seemed to contain a lot of one liners. Wasn't he going away though and stated before the game started that he would potentially be phone posting? If he is limited to phone posting then his filter makes a lot more sense as it is much more convenient to stick to one liners whilst phone posting. Like I am unfamiliar with the standard of play required from Koshi. If it is a high standard and he is usually active and curious and writes good posts then I would be concerned that he was flying under the radar. But if I discounted meta, then I would probably not want to lynch Koshi and here is why. On September 21 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote: :D I do not want to lynch geript. Reason: He is making cases + he is a friendly fellow. I could lynch WoS atm. He tried to fling shit at VE for not going to bed when he said he was going to bed. Unless he is VE his mother there is no reason to make that post. On September 21 2013 23:23 Koshi wrote: C. Koshi doesn't give 2 fucks about the case but loves the fact geript makes cases. <Addendum> The case wasn't total shit for being a couple hours into the game. So extra points for geript. Also, I am not defending geript. You keep asking me about geript. I simply answer. Why is Geript making cases alignment indicative. It isn't. I just don't want to lynch geript atm. I have 0 clues about geript his allignment. Is DP scum? I am not lynching DP. Scum got 6 nk next 2 nights unless crazy vigi happens n1. Let's see if DP is still alive day 3. I like DP posting as well. Now ask me new shit. And answer my question. Why didn't you consider the fact that Kush wanted to see you 2 modkilled for posting "..." in the silent period. And why are you so butthurt about that fact? You even voted kush. Rules are Rules. Here he states when questioned about both myself and geript that he does not want to lynch us? Why would a scum that is trying to fly under the radar take that position on both of us? I think as scum it would be far easier and more convenient to just side with one or the other and no one would really care. Saying that you don;t want to lynch either draws attention to Koshi and if we read his filter and decide that he is trying to lay low, taking a controversial position just does not gel with that mindset. What if Koshi/Geript is scum, and you are town? This scenario is equally plausible in my opinion. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:12 Mattchew wrote: oh and chainman ray is still weak, his idea of like watching over the thread is a really good (terrible) excuse for not giving reads and accusations, or even posting that much at all. Too scummy to be scum dude. I just coached this fucker in the newbies. hence the comment about "setting trapz" Look, I actually liked his insight when i probed him more. its not a firm town read by any means, but I think hes certainly not worth a vote outright. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:16 Mattchew wrote: town pitbulloh right, mocsta has been trying to be a town leader and getting information out of people, from what I know of him, this is how he likes to play as town I dont have the energy or time to be a town campaigner. Im the interrogator. Which I guess is the non-provoked DP role. :p | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:19 Mattchew wrote: ok i wont vote him today, but i want more opinion on stutters? I dont like him, but that applies every game. I commented prior that I dont like Stutters progression from me -> Kush. That doesnt make him scum though + he is a serial lurker. Points in his favour as town: Several ppl thought his Kush case was reasonable/logical (which IIRC was not meta based) Points against him The lack of attention to anything else. Perhaps hes a selfish-type analyst.. i.e. only follows his own agenda. With the info currently, i dont think hes worth a vote. Would be good to see him post more content about others than Kush though. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:29 DarthPunk wrote: Clearly town should not lynch marv day one or two. But I thought it was interesting that I don't really have a firm read on him either way when I usually do this far into day one. Like I see people give him town reads and I just don't see it. I have accepted that marv activity may never reach the pinnacle it was 9 months ago. So I have adjusted my expectations of him. I have a lean on marv but it could reverse depending on flips. I agree though, leave him alone a cycle of two. If he is town, he will come into the thread himself. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:35 DarthPunk wrote: I haven't played with him for a while so I wasn't aware his posting rate dropped. It is certainly weird to see a 3 page filter marv when he used to have up to 20 page filters day one. Its been lacklustre activity from marv for a couple months now. Activity is not an alignment indicator for him.. in my opinion, he needs to be judged on emotional investment and pride/apathy for securing a scum lynch. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Last night I had the suspicion that Zaragon was mafia because most of his posts were filled with fluff and didn't come to a solid conclusion. Obvious-town ObviousOne was being a boss and pointing it out. Still, I don't think I've seen anything from him that indicates a strong stance on someone or anything that has an edge to it. His posts feel constructed to me but don't do a whole lot. Anyone have a town game of Zaragon I can read? Zaragon is signed up for the latest newbie and has liek 60 posts under his name Maybe he has played on other forums? CC, take on the yamato situation that unfolded like 2-3 pages ago. Does his absence affect that read? | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm gutreading Yamato as town. He doesn't always use the best logic in the world, but when he's town it shines fairly brightly. I don't really know what you mean by his absence affecting my read. did you read his most recent post? and then the retorts to that? | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:41 kushm4sta wrote: oh no say it isn't true. I think tl has entered the age of mocsta...the man is so good. ?? if you are ridiculing me.. who am i chasing that you disagree with if you are not ridiculing me.. who am i chasing that you agree with? | ||
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Look, hes a fuckn ballsy player thats for sure. My first game with Koshi was in sicilian, where he was the SK. He then replaced into a newbie, and the difference in play was immediately apparent (granted thats 3P vs town.. so may not be indicative of scum). Fact, if Koshi wants to look town and be useful, he can. Overall, the points rayn made before are quite interesting and do lean scum I feel. Whereas the point that DP raised for townieness, is highly situation (as he admitted later when queried). I think this leads to an overall leaning scum read (not confirmed obviously). | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:51 Mattchew wrote: Yeah, but thats a relatively easy tell to produce as either alingment, especially when its your trademark.+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 23:46 DarthPunk wrote: He dropped 1 massively crafted post. Then left without waiting to see the responses or flesh things out via interaction with the thread. That in itself is scummy IMO. i dont know what yamato is like as scum, but his play comes off to me more as "when you read my opinions you should just agree with them because they are that right" Just like DP being a tunnel machine as a trademark  --> Just JokesHeres one for you. Some gave yam a town read because he "broke up the DP/Geript thing - "constructively". Do you classify that as an alignment indicative action? | ||
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On September 23 2013 00:01 DarthPunk wrote: I wasn't going to say anything when i firsted picked up on this in the interest of not shitting up the thread with the same old useless shit. But when pandian posted this it was clearly false. I had been trying hard for a long period of time to not engage with Geript. So when yamato originally posted that we should stop when I already had it was pretty WTF?!?! When pandain said that yamato was to thank for that I was even more WTF?!??! and realised neither were reading the thread properly. Ohh dont you worry .i agree in full; im genuinely surprised yam got so much credit for that.. because he was essentially providing live commentary to a grand final replay ! + when I think of ppl breaking up fights.. i always hark back to "nomination mafia" and scum VE breaking up me/oats. | ||
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Thoughts on pandain pls, in particular his "setup trapz" logic for the vote with no thread input. | ||
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On September 23 2013 00:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm 100% okay with lynching LoneMeow, Zaragon, Stutters (lol), maybe Coag. *facepalm* OK, so you got the gut read on yam. You clearly read his last post. You clearly read others retorts to that last post. *Yam isn't on the scum list above* Walk me through where I am going wrong with my read on Yam. | ||
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On September 23 2013 00:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I need this outlined a bit better.His scum meta just seems a lot different from his earlier postings. As soon as he entered the thread I was like "o hai, town yamato" Did the same thing in Aperture, and we had to shoot him fucking n1. NIGHT 1. I didn't think his post was that scummy tbh, just bad. I didnt realise Yam had a firm scum meta... IIRC yam had a stretch where he rolled scum like 4 games in a row. I dont know if you have been following many games recently; but yamato been improving his scum game quite rapidly. So yes, please detail more. Im also keen to hear why you think his last post is bad vs scummy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=60#1191 i mean.. do you even agree chariman ray is a suitable lynch? ESPECIALLY given that he started off by stating DP is scum; with what boils down to ZERO justification? | ||
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I like koshoi defence. sorry rayn my choice of lynch today is outy of yamato, lonemeow, or one of sentimental/umasi. will give more when I'm done reading | ||
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On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote: I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try. Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though. ##Vote: Umasi Here for a while if you want to ask me something. omg, this is terrible... going to cast my vote before finishing reading [##unvote ##vote: lone.meow[/b] p.s. I hope u recovered from the accident. two scum games in a row. I feel sorry for you. | ||
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On September 23 2013 04:51 Chairman Ray wrote: LoneMeow, on D1, nobody knows who is town and who is mafia. If you are town, you know who you are and that's it. The biggest victory you can achieve for town is for you to not get lynched. Voting for yourself spells a huge lack of confidence, and how do you expect us to believe in you, if you don't even believe in yourself? When you vote someone on D1, you don't know what they will flip, but you can be confident in that vote knowing that it is the one you will regret the least. So you can keep your vote on yourself, put it back on Umasi, or whatever you want. Either way, I am confident in my vote on you because I know you play a lot better, and I think this is just a ploy to get everyone to think you are just a bad town. I must say, I take some issue with chairman going for his fellow noobie jugular. is this a town that only has confidence to go after ppl he is familiar with? or is this a scum exploiting an easy lynvh? what's unsettling me is thenfluff chairman is adding in his push. but its just a regurgitation ofnwhay raynpelikoneet stated.... anyone down for a chairman lynch? | ||
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Firstly, yamato looks a lot better after his next followup/list post. Being wrong isnt indicative of scum, so I can forgive him for still targetting me. Hey bbycakes, if you have a *genuine* scum read on me; do the "ISO" and give me something to respond to. Lastly, I'm really doubting both of Lone_Meow / Chairman_Ray are town. Both have actions that could warrant a lynch. For me, to discern between the two, it comes down to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=83#1650 I think as a newbie, Lone_Meow is prob a 60% scum action, 40% town action. Whereas, I really can't see Chairman_Ray participating the way he as town at all. It just read as heavily opportunistic, given that he added no new context, but tried to peacock his post by paraphrasing Rayn. Some of you might consider Chairman interactions with Lone_Meow as null still. However, consider his opening post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=52#1021 Consider his followup with Yamato pressure. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=74#1475 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=77#1538 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=79#1569 This all reads as heavily refined and non-natural ==> forced interaction This is then exacerbated by the unvote on LoneMeow On September 23 2013 07:51 Chairman Ray wrote: Unvoting LM as he's probably sleeping now ##Unvote I'll brb in an hour or so What gives? He clearly went after Lones jugular, and now after some yam pressure; backs it all up with no alternative. Im very confident thiis is scum putting all the eggs in one basket. Lynch with fire ##Unvote ##Vote: Chairman_Ray | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:13 ObviousOne wrote: ##Vote: Mocsta Stop fucking around. Who do you want to vote and why? | ||
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Everything I joined since then I believe has been replacement games (smurf/sicilian/GoT). What I'm saying is.. I don't think your meta read holds any water, because I havent had to play a Day1 for 8 months (I think personality 2 was in february) + I am inclined to do the things you brought forth as either alignment. Mocsta doesn't trust anyone Day1 as either alignment. Geript has been espousing moclogic forever, but hes never been able to explain it to me either. so meh? | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:37 kushm4sta wrote: just wokeup. nno idea what's going on. who do i vote?? who are even my options? Easy dude Chairman_Ray http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=85#1684 Get on that wagon of justice NAIO | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:37 yamato77 wrote: He means it sounds like bullshit. @Moc What do you make of Chairman's filter in his newbie game that is pretty "constructed"? I cant remember if his filter was constructed that game. What I do know is that in the OBSQT, i called him out as scum. But that was because he took a set of actions which made zero sense as a responsible townie. He admited post-mortem that he was attempting to set a trap; and followed through with it. Off memory, his posting doesn't feel the same as in the game... I let him slide with it early Day1 because a lot of ppl need time to adjust from a mini to a 30 player game. It can be genuinely daunting. As I said, I am fixated on his attack of Lone_Meow. It was just over compensated and opportunistic. I think a townie woulda just chucked a vote personally. Akin to my reaction I suppose as I read what he did. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Fair question. But I'm not the one tackling him for grand plans.+ Show Spoiler + On September 23 2013 09:39 marvellosity wrote: By the way, Mocsta made me look at Chairman again, although I don't really have much to say about Mocsta's case itself (it could just be bad town). What makes me think Ray might flip mafia is: It really doesn't feel like Ray has done this at all (I mean obviously he hasn't with his vote) - he hasn't tried to gain information from people either. Town will usually at least try to follow through with their plan. Look at this post: He's asked who's scummiest, and gives two generic townreads. Now, Stutters is pinging his scumdar, fine. But is he using his vote as promised? Or, further, is he trying to get more information out of Stutters to better his read? What information is Ray pulling from this game like he said he planned to on Day 1? He never mentions Stutters again. It all reads to me like newbie with grand plans but no real idea as to how voting/vote analysis works in a game like this and maybe ditched his grand plans halfway through. The people who think Ray is scum----do you REALLY think he is as calculating as to give off newbie vibes in the odd ways he has just to throw people off? There are much 'cleaner' ways to look newbie. Im tackling him for an opportunistic attempt to lynch Lone_Meow. It was compensated in a manner I dont think town would do. Then once pressured, he drops the vote... very odd. Look at Rayn, he is not getting traction on Koshi, but you have to respect him for upholding his read *AND* doing it by trying to illicit new information. This makes Raynpelikoneet essentially my first probable town read. I can not say the same for the Chairman.. and game experience has nothing to do with it. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote: So im null. and LM/CR are town. OK.My issue is I don't think I like any of the other candidates enough today to vote for them. If I'm 55/45 on FT that's better than the...nothing I get from Mocsta or townreads I get from Ray and LM. Whats the read on VE? + Show Spoiler + Dude, are you still butthurt I creamed you in your first newbie? Since then, you always complain you can't read me. jeez. P.S. its pretty simple. If im suspicious of everyone, Im usually town. If im suspicous of one or two ppl and then relentlessly tunnel until proven wrong.. then im usually scum.. it really is that simple | ||
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OK.. when normally talking, he does phrase in paragraphs. But look how he votes here On September 05 2013 07:48 Chairman Ray wrote: Irrelevant post? Fixing keyboard? How do these two things even relate? Did anyone see the post before it was edited? I actually think we had a slipup. #vote Lord Velocity What was the post before you edited? He also defends vehemently and with a breakdown of his logic On September 06 2013 06:14 Chairman Ray wrote: + Show Spoiler + I am confident that Lord Velocity is a good lynch target. Firstly, his slipup. This doesn't give any tells on his own, but the way he reacted to it, and other people reacted to it does. I see LV's slip as an easy mafia bandwagon target. One of my intentions of voting him was to potentially start a mafia bandwagon. If 3 other people jumped on him as well, there's a good chance we got our mafia right there. However only killerdog jumped on him. Since no other mafia backed him up, I am inclined to believe killerdog may be safe. And since there was absolutely no mafia bandwagon on Lord Velocity at all, there's a greater chance that he is the mafia. My second piece of evidence is on how Lord Velocity reacted to it. I'm so so so so so Sorry people. I said that asking for reads wouldn't be scummy really unless you were trying to bandwagon on their reads, which could subsequently be scummy and realized how dumb I sounded and got embarassed, and the keyboard thing was because I dropped my laptop and had to fix my board itself because it has thin keys. And I was unaware of the no editing rule, I must have missed it. But voting for me(Killer and Chairman) is not the smartest thing. and seeing as you two hopped on it right away seeing an easy lynch but nobody else voted. And I don't even know what QT means, and I fled for an hour or so because I wanted to eat pizza with my sister who is moving out for college. I'm terribly sorry if it was suspicious and I myself have become suspicious of Killer and Chairman in the process. This is killerdog's accusation of LV: Right now I'm seeing a Mafia who posted something he shouldn't have, panicked, and has fled the thread until he can contact his coach/talk to mafia buddies in qt to work out how to do damage control, and until someone comes up with a convincing alternative my vote is staying. When killer accused LV of hiding in qt, he had qt in lowercase. How did LV know to capitalize it? Also, the meaning of qt was clear as crystal just from the context of killerdog's accusation. Not only that, in this entire thread, qt has been mentioned many times. LV has been active. If he didn't know what qt is, why didn't he ask earlier? It was also defined earlier as well. But the strongest case comes from putting yourself in LV's shoes. If you are town, would you phrase it like that? If you are mafia, would you phrase it like that? LV's testimony of not knowing what QT is sounds exactly like someone who's deliberately feigning ignorance. From these piece of evidence, I would suggest that LV is in fact mafia. Are we getting that this game? On September 23 2013 04:31 Chairman Ray wrote: Why would you say that voting Umasi is a terrible idea, yet vote him anyways? It seems to me like you are scum trying to get achieve a town mislynch D1, but unable to muster up any strong cases on anybody. So instead of posting a weak case against them and have everyone call you out on it, you beat us to the punch by telling us your case is poor to begin with. If you are really town, then a town who intentionally makes a bad vote is still hurting town. ##Vote: LoneMeow To me, its over compensated. Im holding my vote on this guy. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:52 Zaragon wrote: Really? I just made a post looking at the votes. I think they are quite different. Can you please detail the similarities.+ Show Spoiler + Need sleep. I'm going to ##Vote VisceraEyes him being my strongest read from early on. That combined with what looked to me like a deliberately constructed emotional level, and then fading out of the game. Have a look at him again if he doesn't show something very good before the deadline. LoneMeow caving under pressure... I'm not sure, it's more likely to happen as scum, but the way it happened is how I'd imagine it would happen for town. I don't mind a lynch if he's not even going to say "I'm town" but since I'll be asleep for the deadline I'm not going to try to add momentum on that with a vote now. Chairman Ray seems to be playing the way he did in town in that previous game, so considering his personality, there isn't that much scummy about him to me (even his vote reasoning looks similar to the game he was town, as far as I can see) + Show Spoiler + I've tried to look at Mocsta more carefully, but the personality reads on him don't fit with my picture of him--I see him as gruff and relaxed. Looking at reads and his filter, I'm getting less clear town--by direction and substance--but not scum. I'm not sure how much to trust other people's meta on this, but certainly not enough for my vote at this point Sentinel was never a great case I think, but he's still leaning a bit scum for me I'll hang around a few minutes if someone has points or questions for me, but please make it short and sweet if so | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I am not sure. I dont know how to read him by meta.+ Show Spoiler + On September 23 2013 09:55 Mocsta wrote: So im null. and LM/CR are town. OK. Whats the read on VE? + Show Spoiler + Dude, are you still butthurt I creamed you in your first newbie? Since then, you always complain you can't read me. jeez. P.S. its pretty simple. If im suspicious of everyone, Im usually town. If im suspicous of one or two ppl and then relentlessly tunnel until proven wrong.. then im usually scum.. it really is that simple Is this an Aussie thing to tell people about how they can or can't read you based on met in the current game you're playing with them? lol Mocsta I'm not butthurt, I've honestly just never been able to read you. I did mean to have a look at VE but I got sidetracked. The heuristic usually goes lazy VE = scum VE----is that what we're dealing with here? My recollection of a town VE is from Mafia LX or a town VE from The Game. I dunno, a town spokesperson that does stupid shit. We definitely dont have that VE this game; but I also dont know if that means anything. | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Come on. Is this what scum does as he's about to go down? This is consistent with what people were saying about Ray setting up dumb traps. Im inclined to agree with you... hmmmphh. Im reading Ray filter again, and its pretty calm and consistent.. I dont like this vote anymore ##Unvote Im stuck between FT / Lone_Meow / Sentinel / Koshi. I thinking leaning sentinel for joining the chairman lynch. Thoughts? | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I haven't read enough into Sentinel to know one way or the other. I'm likely to push FT because he's the only very slighty scumread I have. OK, i can understand that choice of FT vs someone like Koshi. -> Given how you have campaigned FT. Are you giving LoneMeow a town read bsaed on the martyr? Does the lack of return to the thread since then impact the read? | ||
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But i need reads from Chairman too. ##Vote: FT | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:01 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:01 geript wrote: Yah. I'll move to FT. Ray idk. Maybe I'll shoot him instead. WTF On September 23 2013 11:02 geript wrote: ##unvote ##vote chairman ray | ||
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Im really pissed at this hosting I get that a normal cycle is 48hrs from start, so it made sense it is now... and yes hosts make mistakes (i.e. Solstice). Seriously, it takes forever to push up a deadline, and im now even clear if 24hrs is from 10:00 or 10:30 (cos the post took so long). Can you please add a countdown to the OP, so its clear when the cycle deadlines are. Solstice gave a false impression of comfort when he said 4hrs, and I preferably would not like this repeated again. *end rant* | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:25 DarthPunk wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: Firm Tofu Hes not actually captured in this... BUT. I think Ray still gets lynched, cos he get 6 first? would have to do a count-by-count to confirm. On September 23 2013 11:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Here's a votecount for you cats kushm4sta (0): VisceraEyes (2): DarthPunk (1): geript, geript (0): Pandain (0): WaveofShadow (0): Coagulation (0): Mocsta (2): LoneMeow (4): VayneAuthority (1): Stutters695 (0): [UoN]Sentinel (3): Koshi (0): Chairman Ray (6): yamato77, yamato77 (1): Umasi (0): FirmTofu (5): Koshi, justanothertownie, WaveofShadow, Mocsta, Chairman Ray Tough shake for Chairman Ray. He's fish food in | ||
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Ahh. i get it.. its not close cos yam said *might* lets try again, Geript *is* mafia. I seen you do that bullshit before, where in the thread you say i vote X.. and in the voting thread you vote Y. P.S. you were scum. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Agreed. I'd like to know how many scum were on Ray though---I find it very difficult to believe that it was all town in its entirety who refused to believe that Ray's posting had to have come from scum. Rayn is OK as far as IM concerned. Im comfortable with yams vote as well. Marv is interesting, will comment more on a re-read. Sentil/Geript look bad. Can't remmeber whoelse was on it. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:48 geript wrote: Hey Moc... Can you hear my eyes rolling from over where you're at? Yeah, I hear grease/oil slushing around... guess its cos your so scummy. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote: No I knew I wouldn't get lynched. I just didn't want to get modkilled. Anyway I'll put something worthwhile in this thread before I die. Don't you worry. Right. There exists a No-Lynch as well | ||
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On September 23 2013 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote: so, lynch FT, maybe VE and I'm honestly not sure about Geript now with that last second FT save/nonsave. That for me is the only thing that would make me think Geript is scum atm. Mocsta is Geript scum for another reason? I dunno if he is scum. The vote is fuck. Suspect But. In fairness. I dunno if anyone knew when the deadline was. Hence why I asked for a countdown or something. I'm going to read the game as if I was a replacement and give my feel reads before night ends. I'm in a course all day tomorrow so will miss the end of night and if alive the first 12hrs of next cyclr | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:18 DarthPunk wrote: What? I am going to interpret this question as 'Am I known to ever troll' and the answer is no. I may have trolled a few times in previous games. But I generally try my best in every game I play. Correct. On phone so sorry. I'm notorious at bad typing when phone posting. So if u do t troll.. why did u troll Ve at start of game? | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:34 ObviousOne wrote: I'm trying to figure out how this has any fucking relevance at all. Hey let's ask a series of questions to make it look like we're participating! Hypocrite. The exact same thing can be said for the post I am replying to | ||
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For the record. Early game I could see u as scum. I.e. around the time Geript voted u. | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:46 DarthPunk wrote: Yes. but could you see me as scum for the same reasons that geript could? There's like 1% chance he is vig.. if town... Why would a vig publicise the kill so soon. Uumm.to your question.. yes I marked the Geript post in question as a negative point for u and positive for rayn. Rayn cut the trolling and asked me outright the point of my kush vote. U +1'd and insinuated it was a policy vote. Which I took as an early attempt to discredit. So I can see why he would call u scum as town. Perhaps with overconfidence to create pressure. His follow through I'm not as sure about. Unless he's tryharding to replicate play from mafia of where he funneled VE? Non stop. Either way. Ve is the one that reads reaLly bad to me between u three. Ironically he posted that Geript tried to get others to do his dirty work. Reads to me that it was Ve that threw out some shit and then let others do the work for him. Anyways. Still reading | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:59 FirmTofu wrote: geript, killing DP is such a terrible choice. Of the people who think DP is town, at least one of them is bound to be a medic. You'll probably be wasting your shot, even if DP is actually scum. Is this a claim or something... Otherwise this is retarded | ||
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I don't Like how he interrupts the flow of convo early day1 to stir the pot. | ||
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On September 23 2013 14:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry for triple post. I'll restate my original idea---if there are flaws in it please let me know. Basically we come up with a list of targets that should be shot into tonight. If anyone dies outside of those targets we know they are scum kills. If scum chooses to fuck with us and shoot into our targets then they are doing our job for us. The above may seem fairly obvious but with protects going out and 'lone gunmen' acting of their own accord it's possible that we may have different than the assumed number of scum NKs so we don't want any shots getting 'lost.' I actually think this is a pretty fucking pro town post/plan | ||
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Why did u move ya vote off Dp? | ||
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On September 23 2013 14:49 FirmTofu wrote: Not yet, I read slowly, forgive me. I am at page 50, though. Wave idea is born from how the thread and lynched played out. It's not a policy motive. I think its best if u catch up on the thread. | ||
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This is where we part ways. I have a firm scum read on ve, and I believe he has hypnotized u with his cuddling and buddying. Fear not. I shall expound when unveiling my end of night post | ||
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If ve is town for martyr Where does lm fit? | ||
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On September 23 2013 17:06 LoneMeow wrote: I take issue with this town read injection.Here now and hopefully a bit more coherent with less pain and so. Sorry about ruining the game. Also, I don't get to choose when I have to leave as long as I am staying with my parents. DP is town I think, his anger at the hosting messup seems genuine. This is why I wanted to vote Umasi, it just makes no sense from town perspective. It really looks like he was just trying to see if that'd gain any traction and let it go when it looked like it would not. Why would town do that? the timing stinks, and the justification is so situational. dp has been a prominent figure throughout the game. how can this be your sole reasoning for a read. | ||
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On September 23 2013 17:48 Koshi wrote: Dunno why you buddy up with rayn so much. The guy can't make 2 posts without naming me once. It's truly dumb. I don't think I have buddied rayn, because neither of us have gone out of our way to work with each other. I freely admit he is a town read. in fact, he is my strongest town read. dare I say, confirmed town. is this why u voted me... an omgus via rayn? | ||
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On September 23 2013 17:51 marvellosity wrote: fuck me why would you EVER try to play like this. less said about the hosting the better tbh actually... if u re read his second post, he crumbed his cop role. it was so blatant, I never took it as a crumb. | ||
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that's alignment null.. in my opinion he could push u like that as town or scum. I don't care if u think my play I'd bad. its co pletely different playing day1 to replacing in. when u replace, u can instantly analyse the thread. being here day1 means I have to generate convo... man, I wanted yo lurk this game, but after the shitfight, someone had to step up. if it wasn't clear, my first post with seals was written before joining the game. | ||
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I full out disagree with coat as a shot, rayn and oo as well. risen is a good one but. ft, I'm up in the air... his posting has a Zen like feel to it. dunno what to make of that alignment wise though. | ||
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On September 23 2013 18:34 Koshi wrote: Dont understand why you think that rayn is 100% town if his 70 post towards me are total null. People like yamato, those are 100% town. Because, the push itself is null.. he could easily tunnel you relentlessly as either alignment (just like myself). Rayn is town for a couple reasons; i dont need to outline them all, but the one that is pertinent here is that he has continuously tried to alter his approach to get people to understand his pov. i haven't played with a scum that does this yet scum tunnel is.. here is my info... scream im right.. if the scum player is good, they will update the case as the thread continues. rayn is proactively trying to find out why his case isnt getting traction and then making adjustments to correct that.. thats fuckn townie.. regadless of whether teh case is wrong or right... He obviously beleives in his case, and you havent given him an answer yet that has satisfied him.. As i alluded to before, i believe it is because he holds you to a higher content standard than the rest of the thread. | ||
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On September 23 2013 19:01 Koshi wrote: Ok new list on who you want to doc: Yamato DP BH marv (ok, maybe I am a bit butthurt about the bad lynch, so you can be on Koshi doclist as well, it's a true honor.) Final answer. Last list. yay! Wtf is blahzinghand on there for.... and fuck u too koshi | ||
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On September 23 2013 19:14 marvellosity wrote: Not very exciting ones. He's not on my shitlist atm anyway. Can i have a full preview of ya shitlist then. | ||
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On September 23 2013 19:19 marvellosity wrote: Current shitlist is Firm/Pandain/Stutters/Risen/LM/(Vayne) Yeah, like thers suspect ppl in that list for sure. BUT .. 5 to 6 ppl replaced in.. Are you suggesting it is likely they are all town? | ||
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On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote: + Show Spoiler + Finally got some decent reads. :D Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation. As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them. We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term. Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots. Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used. Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned. You forgot to add yourself. | ||
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On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote: Don't care about vig situation.Finally got some decent reads. :D [spoiler] Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation. As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them. We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term. Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots. Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used. Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned.[/spoiler[ Reads.... fuck me, you have some balls FT | ||
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On September 23 2013 19:27 FirmTofu wrote: I would actually place myself in the category right before that one, but I can see why you might think that. Are you fucking mocking me... the mocsta? | ||
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On September 23 2013 21:49 DarthPunk wrote: God I am sick of yamato. He is constantly a dick to me over the course of several games and voice mafia. Seriously I am just about done playing at this point. This is said with absolute impartiality Yamato is a complete dick on voice -> cutting off everyone etc; and in the thread loves to make posts as if he should be playing on 2+2 as a champion. We know its coming, just gotta accept it sometimes. As for you, his points are fair. Theres been quite a few things that you have take exceptional, potentionally unreasonable ire to. In short: you have become a whinging pom (no offense marv). I have a town read on both of you. Yam because he actually seems to give two fucks this game, whether right or wrong. DP cos a lot of the stuff he is saying, resonates with my thoughts (whether shared in the thread or not). So please kiss and make up. | ||
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On September 23 2013 22:38 marvellosity wrote: Because my play is pretty dissimilar, the way I've asked questions and gone about things is quite different. People in Desert *just saw* my mafia play. Yeah.. dunno.. thats a very simplied thing to say. In reality, you were on a scum team filled with 2 lurkers and yourself. FACT: Thats demotivating. I understand that the champions game would have a much bigger pull to produce effort, but the quality of your play there I think is quite clearly >>> the play in this game. I dont have a hard lean on you; so the above is just my musings. | ||
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On September 23 2013 23:20 Koshi wrote: As for the scumreads that you want me to give. Mocsta selfclaimed voice of reasoning hasn't been around last couple of hours, should be good hour for aussies. Bad feeling about him. Not sure. Its D1. Depends if he picks shit up. Wat the fuck is this shit? Cos I have a life outside mafia, im scum? Pick fucking what up? Man, i dont think you are mafia; and i still dotn think rayn is mafia. Im sick of you accusing me of being mafia. MAN THE FUCK UP, AND MAKE A CASE | ||
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On September 23 2013 23:24 marvellosity wrote: I'll tell you the oddest thing about Mocsta from my perspective. He came into the thread with his Chairman case, and was really convinced by it, and upheld it repeatedly. Then Wave expressed some kinda doubts and Mocsta is like "oh yeah, hmm" and just unvotes like that. Seems like he was pushed off it really easily given how absolutely convinced he sounded about it. Yep. And did you think the panic from knowing there was only a short time to deadline was fake? I ask, because I think the tell *IS* alignment indicative. | ||
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On September 23 2013 23:51 Zaragon wrote: Feels like Rayn is going to be stuck as scum for me after this vote. I already didn't like his play, and now it has gone from slightly scum to solidly scum. Tofu is likely scum. Town is in a bad situation if he isn't, because that means mafia votes are diffused and less meaningful. But I'll assume town is in a good position, and he is. That makes my Mocsta town read go back up to solid. The rest of the scum crowd is then probably distributed between Sentinel, Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Kush, Stutters, Cephiro, VE (my gut right now says Sentinel, Cheesecake, VE) For now I'm willing to believe Marv, Geript and Yamato77 made mistakes for this vote. But Geript is not a town read for me anymore, I haven't liked his play all game so the town feel to his motivations is starting to feel tenuous Mocsta's switching off Chairman Ray easily is not suspect to me from my read on him, but it's personality based Oh and I'm finally getting any kind of read on Koshi, and it's slightly town. Cephiro is one fucker I forgot about . Thnx. Lastly, I dont understand your comment on me regarding Chair. If its personality based, surely I can do it as town or scum, no? So is the lack of suspicion then founded on being a prior town read? | ||
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On September 24 2013 00:30 marvellosity wrote: You have no idea how to judge my play, so don't try. Day 1 in that game I also contrived to lynch the cop and didn't do that much else. And I wasn't demotivated by my team in Desert in the slightest. Stop just saying things Moc, it's annoying. Didn't read like that in the scumqt. I mean, OK, you stopped some of the other guys from essentially "folding".. but by no means did it read like you were in ya proudest moment. P.S. I have said twice in this game that I have a lean on you, but have not indulged which way it is. Not curious? | ||
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On September 24 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote: How can you possibly think mocsta is scum?? He talks way too much to be scum Marv is right... high activity is not an indicator for me. As town, even when I want to walk away.. i cant.. its just too tempting to come in and participate - even when I shouldnt (like now) As scum, im more than happy to walk away once I done my objective to let it unfold. As an aside, I was really disappointed to read what happened with DP.. sigh. I always wanted to work with you bud ! I hope once you clear ya mind, you decide to come back in. I was enjoying giving the thread the aussie DP ! | ||
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On September 24 2013 00:41 Zaragon wrote: Yes you are one of my more solid town reads from earlier. Yamato's suspicion changed that a little, but not from much I could see myself. I mentioned I have a read on your personality, earlier. I'm imagining how you would read Chairman Ray, and how you would switch off him. Given it was a good move and it fits my image of your personality to do so as town, I'm trusting my personality and town read on you. They're separate but are supporting each other so far Problem with those type of reads is that they are not quantifiable to anyone else in the thread. I completely get that a townie can use a gut read or personality read; but its also an easy avenue for scum to hide in. Obviously it is up to me to make that distinction. I must say.. you are my biggest question mark this game. Personally I think you are town based on my heuristics. However, I think the cases/observations have significant merit. Enough to question my read. At the same time, I have no clue what I can ask to establish a more meaningful read. Lets give this a go and see if your thoughts resonate with mine. Mattchew: GOGOGOG! | ||
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Help an aussie out here. I know this is an easy thing to do as town or scum... but do you think a scum rayn - early game, would call me out for an unjustified vote on kush? - in such a direct/probing way? On September 21 2013 11:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta explain your vote . My expectation is that a scum rayne woulda tried to shit on me for it. Not necessarily with a vote, but perhaps some type of discredit. | ||
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On September 24 2013 00:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Mattchew is probably scum. His generic +1 of my yamato suspicion is really strange. Yeah, but IIRC mattchew is going to be AFK for a prolonged period of time -> domestic flights or something. I remember lynching a scum promethelax who was on a flight.. man he was pissed haha (btw, that was a scum day1 lynch Umasi) In all seriousness.. is mattchew a strong enough read to setup a lynch without him mounting a defense? | ||
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On September 24 2013 01:08 geript wrote: idk you think I'm scum? In that case then they're all wrong. I do? I just wanted a deeper explanation to the vote switch. You gave some context, but.. meh.. didnt satisfy me. I really want to know why you swapped off DP in the first place. I dont believe that was addressed when I asked the first time. | ||
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On September 24 2013 01:11 geript wrote: What was the point in keeping it on DP? He wasn't getting lynched. It's like being able to have my cake and eat it too. Nah.. im not buying that. DP *clearly* was not getting lynched with at least 24hrs left on the clock. You could argue, he wasnt getting lynched with 40hrs left on the clock. Throughout the cycle, you kept de-lurking just to smite him with the "vig threat" and even promised to leave your vote on him the whole cycle. Try again pl0x | ||
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I really wonder where the Geript I nk'd night1 in his first TL game disappeared to. I miss that guy R.I.P | ||
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On September 24 2013 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta and marv, while you are waiting for geript, what do you make out of this Zaragon dude? His thought process is really weird. He calls out people who voted for CR already assuming FT is scum while he had a townread on FT on D1. It's really weird also because he himself dropped his vote on somewhere where it did have a zero effect to the lynch at all. I mean, looks to me like "at least i don't look bad, now these people look bad when FT flips scum". A lot of assumptions while not taking any responsibility from the lynch himself at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=112#2231 Points read good; IIRC he had a post where he named 4 town reads (including FT) and then said, its likely one is scum. Hes wroth further probing for sure, I dont think he is a good vig shot though. | ||
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On September 24 2013 01:41 geript wrote: I actually agree.I'm as good as how much time I put in. Just is what it is. IDK like I really don't feel great about my reads as I was pre-aperature. That said, everyone else who played and voted for me in aperature and was town were idiotic. I'm just not feeling this game and I think a large majority of scum are inactive. Damn CC for being right | ||
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On September 24 2013 01:41 geript wrote: I'm as good as how much time I put in. Just is what it is. Yeah ok, but do you get where im coming from with the dropping DP vote. Its not adding up for me.. I want to believe you are a town; but i dont get how you can troll him all day, and then do a ?serious? vote - that came across as suspect as fuck when it matters. | ||
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On September 24 2013 01:52 geript wrote: Whose "fit"Loo9k i'm 5 beers in righ tnow and I dobut I'll be much help righ tnow. I get it it. My day one was pretty week. I still don't feel good. I'm pretty sure he's alseep or at work right now which I find hilarious. I actually don't have any problem with people who have reasonable suspicions on fit. but it's the unreasonable stuipd shit agait me that really pisses me off. I mean... my scum games are completeliy different in how i vew the game. and regarding DP.. you were the one that called him scum and were unreasonable.. you really dont want me to think you are town do you? | ||
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Im not that comfortable with this list, cos i only re-read the game up to p60 with full concentration; and then re-read to p73 tired as fuck. THe rest of the game is going off recollection -> but is the most pivotal part... so these reads will prob be meh.. apologies in advance. 1.DarthPunk 2.Rayn 3.Wave 5.Yamato77 6.kush 7.Koshi 8.ObviousOne 10.FirmTofu 11.Pandain 12.Cephiro 13.CC 15.Coag 16.Stutters 19.Sentinel 20.VE 21.Vayne 22.Geript 23.Risen 24.LoneMeow 25.Marv 26.Zaragon 27.MattChew 28.Umasi 29.JustAnotherTownie 9. 4. 14. 17.Onegu 18. Theres obviously something wrong with my list because I find 4 ppl firmly scummy, and 2 mildly scummy; and 3 to 4 ppl are yet to post. Anyways, light comments on the polarizing reads (1) Kushmaster Im not sure why everyone thinks a town kush gives a shit about the game Day1. The games i played with a town kush.. he hates day1 and is content to throw in comments here and there, and start trying once the play count has dwindled. To me, he genuinely seems like he doesnt know who any scum team is; tahts enough for me to give hima town read. When Kush is wrong, he is town; and when Kush is right, he is scum. (2) FirmTofu In my opinion he is either a scum agent sent to fuck with the thread (a la Blazinghand role) OR retarded town. Im inclined to think retarded town. Im not heavily experienced with firmtofu, but I know based on post-game discussions, that he believes he makes beneficial pro-town decisions -> even when the whole thread is against him. This kinda feels like that. I will admit his posting gives me a zen-like calmness too. Its slow and methodical, but in a good way. I kept the read at null cos the above is just all gut. I dont really have a hard stance on him based on filter specifics. I dont think he is a good vig shot as the chances of flipping town are higher than some other choices in my opinion. (3) Coag Im not familiar with him at all. But I have noticed that he has made an effort to keep up with the game, and when trolling, actually trolls on current matters, some that are obvious and some more subtle. To me, thats definitely a tick in his favour. I believe the scum version of Coag trolling is Risen. (4) Sentinel Right now, if i had to remove a scum read out fo the 4 bold red. Would prob be Sentinel. I dunno, its like he is too scummy to be scum.. fuck i hate that argument. In regards to vig shots. Please dont shot the 3-4 replacements. They need to be pressured heavily. They had a 24hr grace period to read the thread, so should be good to go (or at least close) by start of Day2. Good shots in my opinion {Cephiro / Vayne / Geript} but do what you want in the end. Cephiro -> Because he was (mildly) present, but I cant really recall a thing about him. Vayne -> Its clear he wont stop trolling. Geript -> Its unclear whether hes going to pull his thumb out of his ass.. THis is more a policy vig recommendation though, i dont endorse it on a good play basis. Nite peepz. | ||
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Too little confusion post night flips. That becomes apparent with yam medic save. Assuming vig is 1shot..I think it's worthwhile if vig claims. Would be good to confirm whether vig shot vayne or bh. I think it's 95% likely vayne. Plus 1shot is now confirmed town anyways so nothing to lose. I assume its coag after the exchange between him and VA last cycle. | ||
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As scum he uses info advantage to run discredit campaigns. He is genuinely inquisitive as you pointed out, and is picking and choosing his battles. Hallmarks of town play, and precisely why rayn is town. He has continued that behaviour throughout the whole game. You just dropped some points on my ranking , which is going under a total underhaul btw. | ||
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On September 24 2013 21:04 rposelikoneet wrote: Mocsta, talk to me about Pandain. What do you mean with the "not confused enough about NK's"? Will provide more when I'm home. Too hard on phone. But in short. His post came about 3 to 4min after night post. Thoughts are too coherent for new Info I think. Consider time to refresh , read post with lots of flavour, and think about outcome, plus type. Pandain admitted to being a slow typed too. I'm saying, his point of view is based on info town did not have. Exacerbated when questioning why yam wasn't shot. For me personally, he wasn't a solid night1 kill. So yeah. Dunno when I will be home. Plus coming from a port tasting night. So to be honest. I'm a touch hammered. On a side note. Vintage port IS incredible. | ||
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On September 24 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: pc post?Oh, considering the timeframe Pandain posted in this is a good point. I was curious because when i read the PC post i had same thoughts than he posted. Only wtf moment was BH getting killed. Btw can't tell if u agree or disagree | ||
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I'm home and here. Im fully caught up on the thread in a "thread sentiment" type of way. But not caught up on all on what it means to me. Direct me. | ||
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On September 24 2013 22:18 Zaragon wrote: Pls help me out here.At first I was thinking, I liked Pandain's night phase play, and the quick response to the flips could be adrenaline over a clear feeling that the vigi shot was going wrong. But as I'm thinking about these points... I was feeling the same way I thought Pandain was feeling about people aiming the VA shot, and I don't see how he shifted gears that fast as town and made that post quick response to the flips could be adrenaline over a clear feeling that the vigi shot was going wrong I'm not even sure what this means or infers... My initial reaction was.. wtf.. why is blazinghand shot? Then Waveofshadow makes a lot of sense (solid town read to a lot of ppl, but minor thread presence, so unlikely to be medic protected) -> Safe. BH shot to me is either (bluesnipe OR safe shot on someone scum respect) Which raises a separate questoin... who would be scared of BH that is in this game? (answer is no one ) .. so im leaning towards blue snipe attemptPoint being; Pandain is meant to be a slow, methodical poster that has a high content:post ratio.... This juxtaposes against the word "adrenalin".. I dont even know how you could entertain this notion in the first place. | ||
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Are you inferring that you have read through the whole game to decipher whether I have been active? Cos if so, I expect immediately a bunch of reads; as opposed to posting pre-game talk. Heres a tip.. the game starts on page 24. | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote: Marv y u not ded? Marv what's the context of this post? Why does it make yammo town? Can someone explain for me what the deal was with sentinel at the time? Also Marv why haven't you been making arguments for why anyone is scum? You've been making plenty of arguments about why other people's arguments are bad... Actually, I guess you did give real arguments in one or two posts about why ray was maybe scum but you hedged pretty hard... That seems townie. Is that a town tell for you? I don't think so, because as soon as you figured it out you would do it as scum too... My read on marv is based on the ray outcome. (Granted I actually haven't re-read the exchange yet, so am hapy to be disputed by a fresh perspective). I made a "case" on ray first. Marvs response was to discredit my case as a pittance, and then produce his own case on Ray in addition to providing further analysis. The point is that Marv tried to one-up me; and I treat that as a heuristic for town pride/emotional investment with marv. I will admit freely that prior that occurrence, he was leaning scum for me. [Rayn, you asked why I had a town read on marv before.. the above is why] | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know what you want me to do? I don't understand. I want to hear Sentinel's reads because i think he is scum and i have no idea what he is doing if he's not. I am voting for him. I think your case on Pandain is good and i want to hear more from him. I want to hear more from Mattchew because he has done jack shit this game. I am okay with Zaragon atm (his answers to me). I would love to hear some reads from him that are not "assuming FirmTofu is scum..." because i still think that's bullshit way to present reads, associating one's own reads to an unflipped players alignment. FT could also talk about something that's not Zaragon. There is where i am atm. OK, i was trying to do what Koshi said we were doing before (but clearly not) buddying.. i.e. i want you to be my new DP. lets work together. In short, I was saying, is there someone you want me to look into and provide thoughts. P.S. my issue with sentinel as scum boils now to my last night post.. "too scummy to be scum".. do you think a guy that has been called scum by several people would CONTINUE to do the same shit that landed him on heat in the first place - if scum? I'm pretty sure, a scummer would have changed up the gameplay by now (this all considers that sentinel had enough pressure to warrant being threatended... which I am actaully not sure is the case??) | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:30 strongandbig wrote: Mocsta do you still think Yamato is scum? What changed your mind? Nope. The arrogance changed my mind. I think thats a pretty authentic emotion and one impossible for yamato to fake with his gameplay style. I think he genuinely thought I was scum. | ||
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thoughts on my find with pandain. Realistic indicator? | ||
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I know you have already alluded to this somewhere. But can you re-confirm for me, the outcome of a FT lynch. On September 23 2013 11:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Here's a votecount for you cats Chairman Ray (6): yamato77, FirmTofu (5): Koshi, justanothertownie, WaveofShadow, Mocsta, Chairman Ray [b][blue] If FT is scum, i get how Sent/Geript look scum. But if FT is town, whats the problem? Seems like a 50/50 gamble to me. | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Regarding sentinel. I agree with what you have said. But you only commented on "too scummy to be scum", what about the 'changing up style if under heat?'.I think "too scummy to be scum" is a stupid heuristic that should never be used and i don't believe in it. I believe in what people post and does it make sense from town/scum pov. Sentinel is making very little sense, and while he has posted a good amount, i don't feel like he is trying to find scum. I would like you to look into Mattchew and what he has actually done in this game. Also i would like you to give updated thoughts on FT and one player of your choosing. I just find, town dont normally give a fuck in those situations cos they expect everyone else to realise they are town. I will look into mattchew (to be honest, my town lean on him was founded on marv having a town lean) some of his timings were very suspect to me.. so yes will look now. As for a second person... I am going to pass: too many people; not enough focus. I really think lynch should be focused on pandain/sentinel; perhaps LoneMeow. I still dont buy the martyr; I have re-read it a few times, and the vote doesnt make sense and doesn't feel organic. + he has done sweet fuck all since the martyr. I know activity isnt an indicator in isolation. But considering the event, I woudl have really expected him to step it up. | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:49 marvellosity wrote: If FT is town, it just means the wagons meant little and scum were probably dispersed. If he's mafia then obviously mafia needed to try to save him. So we reach a gamble then. Whats more important. Try our best to lynch scum, and possibly fail. Or policy lynch FT and receive this information. Considering the people involved in the voting I think we missed the boat on FT. | ||
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On September 24 2013 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: What the hell Mocsta. FT is one of the key people to discuss atm.. Maybe, like if you want to discuss him. I won't stop you at all. From my perpsective, we are 4 townies down (luckily only 1 blue.. which arguably was a good outcome.. newbie with parity in a game with framer/GF = mindfucks). Hence, I'm looking at best chance to ensure a scum lynch this cycle. I can say with my heart on sleeve, yes... FT can flip scum.. but the *can* is not confident; and Im not sure how much talking about it, will resolve that. Hes just a selfish*cunt* of a player. I actually really hate FT, and might consider not joining games with him again. [If town.. I just know post-game he will complain about how obvious town he was, and everyone is stupid] Im just saying, I think ppl like pandain and sentinel and lonemeow are a much higher percentage to get that first red blood. Therefore, it makes sense to narrow/focus the towns brain trust on that subset of players. | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta, i would really like you to explain this: At the end of D1 you voted for FirmTofu. On N1 i see no posts from you that make me think your scumread on him has weakened. Then, at the end of N1 you say this: Now you are bringing up vote analysis from D1 and want marv to discuss them, yet you are unwilling to to discuss FT "because he is not most likely to flip mafia" according to you. What has changed? What in FT's posting has ACTUALLY made you think he is town? And why do you want to discuss things straightly related to his alignment but you are unwilling to discuss FT himself? I dont get the problem, we are talking about two isolated events. (1) = FT filter (2) = Read outcomes from a FT flip What I wrote end of Night1 *is* my take on FT. Im not going to stop anyone else talking about him, because, im not a god of mafia and clearly can be wrong. Im saying, hes not my focus at all.. a fuck face like that. i coul read his filter 10 times and still not be certain if i want to lynch him. So to answer your questions (1) Indicators for town? - Zen-like feeling in posts. Even though its obviously refined/constructed.. its a different type. - The way he kept stopping himself from reading the thread, by engaging in live convo BUT still ensured he read the thread. *This mimics my play replacing into "the game". I personally think scum replace into the game by either, waiting to read the whole thread and then making an impact.. or forgoing reading the thread all together and just start from the live point (a la DP in personality 2) Sorry.. personal heuristic, whether right or wrong. - Has the guy actually pushed a scum agenda? Yes he is posting as if hes in the town leadership circle (e.g. submitting his own vig list).. but, hes not getting traction, and does it actually read as deceitful? (2)Why do I want to discuss things related to his alignment but not willing to discuss him. I believe this is answered by the above. The q to marv, was curiosity about the information we could gain. I was trying to ascertain whether the best course of action was for an information lynch; or scum lynch. (Obviously bonus points if info lynch gives a scum lynch). | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have commented on the zen-posting at least 3 times. Ctrl+F. its the exact phrase I use.(1) My problem is your explanation does not really make sense to me because your interactions towards FT on N1 do not support what you are saying about the "zen-posting". I don't see you thinking "okay, fuck, this guy could be town aswell" from your posts towards FT on N1. Also why do you bring up replacing, FT has been in the game for the whole time, he has not replaced in. (2) So what's the point of discussing things related to his alignment if you don't know his alignment and are not willing to find it out atm? Look, now i played voice mafia with all you guys.. when i read many of your posts, i "hear' you guys speaking to me, and read stuff as if its being spoken (which is how i type anyways - stream of consciousness).... When i hear FTs posts, its just really calming and relaxing. Look i dunno if that should be alignment indicative, but im treating it that way. Sorry. Regardign replacing... yes you are right. my bad. he came in so late, it felt like a replacement.. hmmmm (2) Alignment I actually thought I wrote my stance clearly on why i asked marv. We clearly have different approaches. Just accept we agree to disagree with this one. | ||
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OP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise + Show Spoiler +
Overall. I have a few problems with him (1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment. Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!) (2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd. (3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game. I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly. Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:53 Mattchew wrote: Mocsta, try reading my filter I did bbygrl. Even posted the link | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote: [*]Really odd comments about marv.... not sure what it means On September 25 2013 01:00 Mattchew wrote: I dont want scum defending me marv ....... | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Matt's not ridiculously bad as town. At least, I don't think so. I could be wrong. Regardless, I don't think that's what we're seeing here. Matt is awesome as town in voice. I get solving the game is different in voice to forum. But establishing townieness follows the same guidelines. For part (2); matt receives a clear "FAIL". | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:04 geript wrote: Geript, finals prep going well? I assume if you posted now, you have some spare time. Can you please give thoughts on: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=143#2850 | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote: as a counterpoint to what i just posted, this is just stupid, because it doesn't suggest any give and take on his stance on me. meh. well this is almost a done deal (other than securing enough votes). HIs response is pretty fucking scummy, and i dont know why you are refraining.
As town, i ignore shit cases on me all the time (e.g. yam case on me in multiple games) but its acknowledged and rebutted in some way, shape, or form. Not getting that right now.. and with the timing of that de-lurk.. Why hasnt he been contributing to any live discussion... its Day2 ffs. votes matter this cycle. + case is clearly not shit (even you admited it has merit) Let me post this on his behalf (Im on the left) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://84d1f3.medialib.glogster.com/media/03/038a5e156dc7ea85cc7a7d8877626117311a59048718918c3597cf1bf343b767/baby-20seal-20clubbing-jpg.jpg) | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Mocsta now you are lying. You said at the start of the game clearly that you are on the right.. Tru dat. You will have to make up ya own mind. Btw, if you haven't learnt by now. Town Mocsta loves engaging in live convo, often at the expense of not filter diving so a lot of stuff said is based off first impressions. Its a really bad habit/flaw in play. As a replacement, i am not as exposed to this issue, because theres no need to be a thread driver. Only ppl like marv (when at his peak) can maintain thread driving presence AND filter diving presence. Also means mafia dominates life.. so... I tell you though as an aside, if by some miracle you are scum.. I will be devastated. (Srsly) After GoT I made a hoohaa about clear differences in ya town/scum play, and I had a hard town read on you early. so would be embarassing | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:20 Mattchew wrote: Yeah i didnt say im reading along and posting from my phone like under an hour ago or anything And... its a delurk on the most recent page. This means you are up to date. And if you can post now,, you could post before. You're screwed buddy. (Dont worry, I still love you when town in voice) | ||
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I didnt. I commented prior I thought it was a bluesnipe. How is it misleading us, BH gave no info to confuse ppl with. Ironically, you presenting this now reads as a red herring to do exactly as what you are complaining about Why did you ignore my request for you to look into the mattchew case? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=144#2869 | ||
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obviously we dont know if Matt *is* scum (yet). Same applies for pandain. But oddly enough, both have an unhealthy obsession with commenting about peculiar things to do with Marv. | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Why are you drawing attention to it? There's nothing like a conclusion or question or anything anyone should comment on here - why are you asking us to look again? This might be premature (sue me... i might need nasal spray technology) But you really have stepped up ya game from 24-48hrs ago. Srsly, Im feeling SO much better about you. Im saying this, cos I hope you are town, and can use the confidence boost. | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:29 marvellosity wrote: It's my '10' penis. Now i get what Fank saw in you, when you got married. | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:30 geript wrote: Very simply you of all people should understand VE. I think scum have 2-4 active players controlling the thread similar to in The Game. I think they want to keep thread control. 4 active players controlling the thread This is fucking ridiculous. | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:33 geript wrote: No it's not. We did that in the game. I cant help but notice two things (1) You refuse to comment on my mattchew case http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=144#2869 & (2) You had an awesome de-lurk just after my mattchew case; and have commenced shitting up the thread talking about BH kills, and making brash accusations on scum control without naming anyone even though its fucking clear who the people are. | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:40 marvellosity wrote: If anyone was curious about my little unvote-vote tango, it was because I remembered/found this: And thought, oh my, we're lynching the doctor! So I unvoted. Then kept browsing his filter and noted that yamato was a scumread of his, so it makes zero sense for him having protected yamato. So I revoted. If you aint scum.. I would love to know post-game why thats a doc claim. /bookmarked | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:45 marvellosity wrote: Because successful saves are notified, and if he were doctor protecting yamato he'd be notified that he did so (with yam confirming it). It's not complicated Moc D: It is complicated. That quote is from night1. It's almost 24hrs old... There is no notification. All it says is. I'm town mother trukah It's not even a crumb.... Will deal with this post flip if scum. | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:50 Mocsta wrote: It is complicated. That quote is from night1. It's almost 24hrs old... There is no notification. All it says is. I'm town mother trukah It's not even a crumb.... Will deal with this post flip if scum. Sorry. Take it back. It's past midnight... Gggrrrrer. Misjudged timestamp. Don't care for it regardless | ||
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On September 25 2013 05:40 Koshi wrote: Ok lads. Total drunk and I am reading everything with a german accent. + Show Spoiler + didnt like the coag shot, but I guess he is confirmed town with yamato claiming to be shot + protected. I also think the VA reads should have some weight, it is the first time I have seen VA actually give multiple reads. And it is very interested he added rayn because they play in a lot of minis and VA never gives strong reads like this. I am somewhat sad he got shot over people like FT. somewhat surprised that not more vigis acted n1. Also there is no RB claims? Strange? Anyway, I only glanced over the posts since p140. Nothing too special I think. For people I.would vote tomorrow. I think I am going to look deeper into the reads VA gave and 1 out of those 4 or sheep thread. I should have 2-3 hours to play the game tomorrow. Around 23 hours from now. I really have nothing to add of value atm. Please note down that in the 2 months I have played mafia I have not afked like this ever. So just give me this cycle at least. Thread sentiment is that I am town. Happy I could at least prove that again. So yeah, I do not know how.many vigs/docs/cops we should have. But lynching somebody from the WoS/VA list shouldnt be too horrible. Or at least they should be discussed if they are.on both lists. Because VA does not give reads like this easily, he could have done it to save his skin though. Out of active posters I really could lynch rayn tbh. Like today he asked good questions it seems, but I am lacking the rayn drive behind those questions. Normally in town games when he asks questions, you have this feeling if it is answered wrongly in rayns opinion, you will get tunneled. Or if he interacts with not scumreads of his, you have a general idea why he asks it, it is driven by a scumread of his. Like read the Acrofoles/rayn interactions from GoT, you really miss the drive behind some of the conversations. Also, early this day. He said I might still be scum. And that is really a strange thing for rayn to say. + Show Spoiler + Mocsta knows this, but even in voice mafia I have to only open my mouth and rayn gives me a 100% townread. This does not mean rayn reads me like a book, but he picks up on some posts of mine that he can say "oh because these 5 posts, Koshi is 100%town" and after n1 in which I was really townmeta Koshi. I find it strange rayn is not more certain about his read. Like even if I am scum, because I posted this way rayn should b more certain I feel like. If you understand what I mean. I am not scum obviously, but the restriction rayn has is strange. That and his tunnel d1 on me felt forced now. But dont think he will get lynched today so it seems. So pretty sure rayn & me will have long conversations d3 lol. PS: I cant read rayn btw. But the warm comfort he reads me correct is missing. And the Koshi tunnel day 1 felt not raynlike, even though thepoints he brought up.were.valid wtf... how is the mattchew case of no value? please read and comment regarding your quote in red... rayn was scum that scum... u r saying their is a marked difference in play, and that makes him scum this game??? dude, you need to back off and find someone else. there's more than one scum in this game. lasltly, this sheep VA thing is unsettling. nothing to do with me being a read.. more to do with your meta. last time u tried to sheep dead players this vehemently, you were SK sleeping flipped town vivax in Sicilian.....yes, I'm suggesting if u sheeop. then sheep thread sentiment and vote mattchew | ||
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On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: , how come there is nothing going on right now? Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution. Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me. Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. did u know there is a case that most of the actives have inputted on? its on mattchew, i suggest u comment...... I got no idea how u avoided this | ||
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talk to me. did u like mattchew followup to the case? consider there was genuine pressure based on several votes, all from actives. | ||
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On September 25 2013 08:54 justanothertownie wrote: ok. If u don't have a strong opinion. The case clearly did not resonate with u.That's exactly the reason I didn't comment on it. I don't have a strong opinion on it. Now is the time to explain what was not strong about it | ||
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On September 25 2013 08:57 Pandain wrote: Context context, would assume you know not to generalize traits of scum and traits of town Pls. Comment on the Mattchew case. | ||
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On September 25 2013 08:58 justanothertownie wrote: If my opinion was of that much value to you, you could have asked btw. So if it pleases you I will take another look at him, ok? When I first read the case it went exactly as I said: Sound logic - guy could be mafia. That's about it. Right. And u had no curiosity to find out more? Don't u want him moved out of null territory. Because null is what u just said.could be mafia. I don't have a problem if u disagree with the case... I have a problem if u HAVE no stance | ||
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Aside from his post to explain his Geript vote...I'm not seeing high content at all. | ||
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On September 25 2013 09:08 iamperfection wrote: is cephiro in the game or did he get replaced? He's here. As is the Mattchew case. Gigogogo! | ||
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Why? When I called u out early game, people defended. U on the basis of high content, low volume. And it perturbs me that u never respond when called out... | ||
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On September 25 2013 09:21 justanothertownie wrote: Well, since FT looks somewhat better right now: ##Vote: Mattchew Are you happy now? Sorry bud. I wasn't pressuring u to vote him. I can see how it came across that way. I meant what I said before. I had no issue if u agreed or disagreed. But the key to securing mislynchrs is for others to provide counter points. Thats why i was requesting feedback. Thanks for the vote regardless. | ||
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Can't even pressure ppl properly right now...sigh.. might have to do work at work today I guess | ||
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Do u have a reason to call me scum, other than a supposed scum slip.... P.s. no goons in this game | ||
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On September 25 2013 10:58 Risen wrote: Ok? And I don't like where you led discussion to. As in mattchew? I was asked to look into him. Anything else of issue? | ||
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On September 25 2013 11:34 Risen wrote: Not anything that the thread would like coming from me, so no. Ma ma ma mate.... Don't be like that If u concerned about me. I'm all ears to hear about it. And it will help me get a better read on u and vice versa. P.s. I only played with u in got, but u seemed a lot more crazy that game. Any reason u feel toned down? | ||
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Much better verbalization of how i felt. | ||
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My town read on Kush was based EXACTLY on OO observation (the similarity to Smurf mafia - Hurndall3). Made me feel a lot better about OO, but prob a weak tell all-up. I think null is prob the safest bet. So agree there. | ||
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If mattchew flips scum. I think the next guy to flip should be Geript. His dwlurk yesterday was such an odd timing...and..reading his filter now I really fucked up early game to ve... He was right about Geript using ve to find Dp scummy. Geript posted his points after the comment, not before as I had said Highest % to flip for the win right? | ||
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On September 25 2013 12:39 yamato77 wrote I'm not convinced Matt will flip scum, bro. That's ok. I know are waiting till deeper in the cycle to confirm how he will react.. if he does. So. Is sentinel really your highest % to flip? | ||
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On September 25 2013 12:40 Risen wrote: FT saved yesterday, not getting lynched today. Makes sense. DP was right about mods saving FT b/c he's scum, imo. Or. Mod didn't want to do two flips in general. It's not like chairman could come back into the game. It was a fuckup and u get that unfortunately. | ||
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Mattchew Geript Zaragon After that it gets messier and I am confident scum exists in at least one of the replacements other than snb and iamp. | ||
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On Septembethough013 12:55 Pandain wrote: His posts make sense, I agree with them(Zaragon and JAT being supsicious, except for me it's more Zara than JAT). Pushed thread forward, two analysis' on Firm and Lonemeow. I've just finished filter dives on Jat Geript Zaragon I'm still not feeling jat as scum. Zaragon is the goods thoigh | ||
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I must have one help of a scum game Love u 2 | ||
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On September 25 2013 13:06 Pandain wrote: Disagree that Geript is scum. Has there ever been a game where scum instantly brought all attention to himself and with poor reasoning tried to tunnel one of the best players? I have a case ready to go on Geript and zaragon. Will post them during night cycle as mattychew is still whom I think is the best lynch. We already have the votes in place. I'm about to filter dive sentinel and umasi. Prob cc as well. His lack of activity since day1 is worrying. | ||
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Target too many ppl in one cycle and it's too hard to control the lynch. Anyways I need to read the cases against umasi because I read his filter and he is screaming town to me. Does anyone remember who made the case? Onto sentinel now | ||
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On September 25 2013 13:26 Risen wrote: That came off as judgmental on the hosts, when I meant for it to be me agreeing with DP that FT was scum benefiting from a shitty situation. FT got saved d1/was in the process of getting saved when lynchpost happened early. Today FT starts as the clear candidate to be lynched and has for reasons unrelated to his own posting is being saved again. This has to stop. It's wrong. Full stop. The host clearly had no idea who the vote leader was. He took 30min to do the count for fucks sake. Ft was not saved by the host.... And as for the dp vote thingo. The simplest solution is that the host fucked up and made a decision to minimise the damage... Which is.. ensure only one person flipped. That's a non alignment indicative action as it preserves some modicum of integrity for the game. Ft hasn't been saved. Many still think he is scum. It's just that many view mattychew as a higher % to flip scum. | ||
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On September 23 2013 14:08 Blazinghand wrote: wait am i being shot This is hillarious in hindsight. Yes bh.. u r | ||
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Where do u stand with umasi Is the only case on him, the stuff from firmtofu? | ||
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I'm in phone so hard to find stuff. Are u aware if anyone other than firmtofu made a case on umasi? | ||
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His vote on yamato. Sentinel says.. I think ray is town. U r voting ray, so must be scum looking for easy kill. I'm really struggling to see why town would think this. I thought chair was a poor and easy vote. But my issue ugh yam was that he said multiple actives were scummy and decided to vote chair instead. In this regard, I can easily see scum sentinel trying to setup yam for leading a mislynch. Obviously day didn't pan out that way even though chair was lynched. Thoughts? Sorry if unclear. Still on phone | ||
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On September 25 2013 14:21 Pandain wrote: Not off the top of my head, but it's probably a waste of time for you. I would check Shutters, LM, Marv, Rayn, and Mattchew for likely scum. I rescind my past read on Zara for the moment, but would like to see more from him. U want me to check mattychew? Are u serious? With Sara. I assume he is null or town for u now? That.. I am curious about. When I did my filter dive in Sara an hour ago, I changed from town to scum. His filter is completely devoid of content in the thread. All his reads are gut town reads... Etc | ||
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Btw. U want to know why sentinel is confirmed scum? He fucken stated he skimmed vers guide... Seriously.. lol.. talk about over compensation I'm pretty sure he did this as scum in smurf mini as well | ||
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Town do that all the time. Esp when they recognise they don't hold influence. Meh point to me. I don't care about zara past games cos I'm looking at motive and how it applies to this game. Zaragon for me does not read authentic to me either. Perhaps I gave him leniency out of narcissism, but he really hasn't produced any goods worth giving town cred for. | ||
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On September 25 2013 14:38 Pandain wrote: For some reason I feel this is poor reasoning. I'm going to sleep, however. Hopefully more discussion tomorrow. Definitely feel we can find someone better than Mattchew, that's my goal for tommorow. Would help if u explained why mattychew will flip town Instead of just Shitting over everyone that has laid a vote..mmmmk? We have gone beyond the point of counter wagon. Chew needs to be proved innocent first. Then counterwagon. | ||
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On September 25 2013 14:44 Pandain wrote: Basically I think he's being lynched more for being bad then for being scum, and I would rather lynch someone based on analysis of being scum. So u think all the points about stutters read as bad play vs scummy motive? You think it is merely bad play to respond to the case the way he has.. given that ppl ARE laying down votes? I am looking forward to your counter wagon on stutters/whoever tomorrow. Because if the above is not scum motive. I have no idea what content will be in your case. | ||
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Question. Day1 lynch. U backed off sentinel and then came back on him waving a justice flag. Why did u do this? U admitted prior the read wasn't a strong one, so I don't get the motive to blow that trumpet? I know u have been asked a similar quesyion but I wasn't satisfied with the response. | ||
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Would have been nice if u explained why the case was bad. Hasn't changed my mind though. | ||
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And the voice mafia part was an addendum based on u being easy to read as town in voice. I admitted the skills don't necessarily transfer. The crux of the case was how u dealt with stutters. That has been ignored in full | ||
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U used others to generate the convo in your behalfu even admit it again now When it fails.. u don't even follow up though being around. U come on dude | ||
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I just don't buy it, for all the reasons explained here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=143#2850 Its pretty easy to see that you have skimmed and produced minute details to attack the case that people were voting for you; and then tried to glamour this up by making a counter-?case? on marv + giving out some premature reads 24hrs before flip. Ultimately, you're still my scum read. I am not going to argue with you about whether you are scum. | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:32 Risen wrote: Really hope Matt is scum or I'm going to be in a tight spot. In other news, lynch FT. I could see a marv lynch, too. Or Cephiro who is still absent. Mocsta with the ole' "lol your post is too long and I'm scum so that's too much effort to respond to/opens me up too much to appearing scummy so I'm not changing my mind" post. ?? I read his whole post before responding. In the followup discussion with Mattchew, it was apparent that he did not address the crux of the case; as he had to provide more information. Anyways, did you like Mattchew response? | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:36 geript wrote: Did is so full of dumb.+ Show Spoiler + Ok so here's where my mind's at. The night kills were super odd in many ways. I'm assuming that the NKs were Yam/BH/Wos; we could make an interesting argument that BH/VA/WoS were the shots and that Coag is actually scum, but I see very little reason to do so there. Yam/BH/WoS isn't awful I guess. but with both VE and Marv in a game I'd fully expect if both of them were town that both of them would be targeted as it's unlikely that both would be medic'd. In the very least I'd expect a doublestack on one of them and then a freebie shot at BH. Here's the problem that I'm seeing: town got into a shitty place on D1 which is amazing for scum (yes part of that is my fault) and the best priority for scum in this type of situation is to do their best to keep it that way. So the highest priority for scum is not to remove blues but rather to remove people who can bring the thread on track. WoS is ignored half the time despite being a decent player. Yam can bring a thread on track but just as often derail a thread into "No You're scum" posting. Vayne (if he was a scum shot) is intentionally worthless until endgame. Rather my priority as scum would be to remove active quality players of which the available shots would be: VE, Marv, DP (prior to rage quit), Mocsta, Rayn and a few others. So what's the point in shooting WoS or Yam/Vayne over any of those five. I'm honestly not seeing it. There's a shit ton of scum (6); there's an amazing KP rate (1/2 round up), town seems to be mostly inactive. Where's any sort of benefit of not trying to remove the "get on track" type people to keep the thread in a clusterfucked situation? I've only seen odd kills like this in two drastically different situations: mostly inactive scum where NKs going through is far more important than anything else and mostly active experienced scum where they need a bit of time to hide before it becomes obvious. I'm not sure that Mattchew is right about Marv, but I really think that we should be taking hard looks at Marv/VE/etc. again because I'd bet that a number of the "pro scummers" are scum. Did you know your push on Marv, aligns with the timing of MattChew push on Marv? Did you know as scum in personality2, we left marv alive intentionally? Did you know in desert, marv & hapa was left alive until hapa claimed doc? Wtf? WoS was a solid NK, as he was a low possibilty medic rank (and also had a scum read on you at the end of his filter) Why are you refusing to provide comment/analysis on the mattchew situation You clearly know whats going on, as you commented on mattchew chasing marv... | ||
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Like, I don't even understand your point of view with FT. Can you list a couple dot points to why he is the best lynch? All i saw in your filter was "hes not town" - or along those lines. + Day1, you were advocating a Vayne lynch. This was advised as a 50/50 troll lynch. How is FT different to Vayne in this regard? | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote: BTW, nice prose write up I cant imagine that there wouldnt be some balance to this game, and with so few players that I think are vets and/or good, i find it impossible for them all to be town. Most of the players I have reasoned why I believe them to be town in earlier posts. This is such a load of malarkey, and I need to write something about it. We aren't in the newbie leagues here. Scum selection / Town selection / Blue selection is random. I hate it when ppl make the vet argument. Next you're going to say that yamato can't roll scum 3 games in a row.. or oatsmaster can't get the cop role 4 games out of 5. *ohh wait.. it happened recently* | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:51 geript wrote: After I sleep and get my errands done tomorrow I intend to take a very long look at Mocsta/VE/Marv/Rayn tomorrow. Good to know you wont bother looking at the leading lynch candidate in detail But if you change ya mind. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=143#2850 | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote: Isn't it just a little strange the ease in which votes have just been rained down upon me? nah bro's this is totes normal Heres another pearler. So you are shitting on these people: But where is the analysis/conclusion of what it means for those people to vote you. More malarkey. | ||
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I agree with a couple on ya tier1 Can u give some comment to what transpired with mattychew defense. | ||
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And did u think the marv content was relevant to this game. Or just generic spiel around marv in his prime? | ||
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Why would town who is confident in role pm openly decide to NOT diffuse the case? This is beyond knowing mattychew and using a meta argument. I mean. It sounds like U r giving me permission to never respond to a case, as it's bad play and there null play? | ||
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Ppl dodge cases all the time when votes are not on. Town and scum do this. But. When votes are on and u r leading candidate. Surely u have to address the case if u don't want to be lynched. This is where we run into problems with how mattchew decided to approach his defense. | ||
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I got what u said the first time. I'm saying. I think the only way town would fail to address the case is if they gave up. If that was the case, we would have a completely different post from Matt or any town for that matter. Scum do things for many reasons. Sometimes we can't understand it until post game . All I'm saying is. If Matt chew could break down the case without resorting to discrediting. He would... But thanks for responding anyways. U do understand where u r coming from. I am just of a different opinion on how to interpret | ||
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On September 25 2013 17:59 geript wrote: Oh and Mocsta... I still want you to answer my question. I am not a wolf/scum. I believe that was your question. my turn. comment in mattchew. alignment | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:03 marvellosity wrote: Mocsta where are you? I want answers re: Sentinel! ^_^ I'm here. What about sentinel? If Mattchew lost traction, hes the next on the list. My team is Geript / Sentinel / Zaragon (/Mattchew) I will re-read mattchew tomorrow with a clear head (unfortunately, thats what 2-3hrs before deadline?). Im prob still biased against him at the moment though to be impartial when re-reading. | ||
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On September 25 2013 20:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Below is a Ctrl+F "stutters" of Mattchew filter.I don't like Mattchew being scum any more. There were some things in his response that are bad, some things that are good, but the thing that struck me was his response about Stutters. He said "i was trying to make other people talk about Stutters". That to me struck as townie as fuck. + Show Spoiler + In case Stutters is town, that's what scum!Mattchew would want to do, but not what he would want to tell people afterwards. In case Stutters is scum, that's not what scum!Mattchew would want to do (if he wanted to bus he would want credit from that bus instead). Of course he could be lying or he could be really good as scum, but besides that i don't see that response coming from scum. On September 22 2013 13:17 Mattchew wrote: these posts back to back are pretty funny On September 22 2013 23:09 Mattchew wrote: has anyone ever seen someone go back and read the thread and provide updates as they go along as scum? and i can get down on a yamato vote for reasons stated above by others or a stutters vote cause hypocrisy On September 22 2013 23:19 Mattchew wrote: ok i wont vote him today, but i want more opinion on stutters? On September 22 2013 23:58 Mattchew wrote: DP can we lynch stutters? please and thank you On September 23 2013 02:00 Mattchew wrote: I dont like excuses for absence or whatever, but since i legitmately might not be around at lynch time i would like to say that im at the airport right now, my flight is in 3 hours and lands only an hour or so before lynch... Before i board i will vote and my vote will likely not change.. This also means im all phone posting Aa flight 140 out of bwi Anyway, can i get some more opinions on stutters (especially marv) On September 23 2013 06:44 Mattchew wrote: Yamato what do you think of stutters On September 24 2013 08:37 Mattchew wrote: i dont know if VE can martyr and be this depressing as scum my vote stayed on yamato because he didn't overreact to a lynch push on him, he didnt even call me scum for voting him, he hasnt been super aggressive the whole game wave should be medic'd DP has to be town theres no way scum gets that upset about an apparent mod mistake town lynch Mocsta is clearly town i could see a scum team of marv, yamato, firm tofu, stutters, a replaced player, and a lurker this FT post is long but literally says nothing.+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote: Finally got some decent reads. :D Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation. As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them. We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term. Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots. Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used. Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned. no i will not give my reasoning for marv being scum... plus if im wrong which i probably am because i suck at marvreading, he'll be dead soon enough On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote: + Show Spoiler + i sit down on a computer... a shitty old macbook with no mouse to be exact, after a long day of work rayn, i'll address you eventually Marv is scum... in other news i could be wrong and have just talked myself into a nonsensical read. I cant imagine that there wouldnt be some balance to this game, and with so few players that I think are vets and/or good, i find it impossible for them all to be town. Most of the players I have reasoned why I believe them to be town in earlier posts. I am going to try and be as polite and respectful as possible writing this analysis but it probably wont work. Marv has a huge filter, is super active and seems to be the town leader. Who the fuck would want to mess with him, he is one of 2 people in this game that i know of that can be almost unfair as town. I need someone to point out to me anything marv has done that constitutes a case, or an extremely logic'd out read that completely makes sense. I may be out of the loop, but if there's one thing I know, its that Marv will put his entire thought process into the thread. This game he asks 10000 questions, pressures cases/lurkers (relatively softly especially for marv) and barely (if at all) contributes anything unique of his own. Maybe I have too much respect for his town play but to me it feels like he has said almost next to nothing depsite having one of the (if not the) longest filters in the game. The town marv I know is a leader just like in this game, but with an actual direction. His posts feel and read extremely flexible and his play has been extremely go with the flow especially for marv. How long has marv posted thoughts of stutters being scum and not actually pushed a goddamn thing? I still believe in my night 1 logic of him posting without the fear of death. Who the hell else in this game would scare scum? "but mattchew, i haven't been shot as town night 1 in the last like 30813098123 games" yeah well lets look at who's in those games (namely more respected players than here) and how the game has played out. Almost no one said marv was scum before day 2 and its basically been all me since then, why would he not think he was gonna get shot / double stacked at least. ps. bonus points for someone that collects all of marvs posts this game about other games in the past as either defense or deflection. pps townies stop being scared of marv's post count and rep ...........................................................i forget how to page break............................................................................... If VE says "well scum or town can do that" anymore and we listen to him, we will never have an educated lynch target ever. Its annoying. Because I am playing "bad", lets do town reads Yamato, Mocsta and (unfortunately) SNB are like townies number 1. Even though mocsta is wrong with his case on me for not very good reason, he's still town as fuck cause you can see that he actually believes im scum and wants to push it, not that he's just pushing the case to push a mislynch. You all should know why Yamato is town and unless DP knew ahead of his "fuck the world i hate everyone" emo phase that he was leaving the game, it was likely genuine. Ps. Yamato is the homey now, I have seen the light. I am a dumbass and he is smart, lets be friends even if I get mislynched today Kush is most likely town. I dont think he could resist having people listen to him, which when theres no pressure of a lynch of you and you are trolling seems extremely unlikely for scum to do, also he made the best case against me Coag is also most likely town, cause he claims a shot and he has given a tiny bit more of a fuck then he really needed to (lol at me trying to read coag and kush, I must be going crazy) Geript is most likely town cause of his battle with DP (granted me thinking DP is town). I dont know geript but I do know DP and his ability to tunnel. I dont see why any scum would want that amount of attention on themselves and have to get into that much of a pissing match early on. im pretty sure rayn has been pushing people to post better while posting his own thought process. ceph is probably town too, i have him green highlighted and i have to go back to remember why ...........................................................i forget how to page break............................................................................... Players I want to see flip Its weird, I originally had Firmtofu down as a townread (in my own notes), then I called him scum cause of a post because of the reason mentioned there. I think i looked at the first vote too hard thinking him not being lynched caused ray to be lynched, but his push was really after the original Ray (mislynch) push. I need to look into him further tomorrow Stutters could still be scum and honestly has done nothing to prove me wrong about my worries all along, he pushed and tunneled (as in only talked about) kush the entire day 1 and has just now of day 2 had 1 post about lonemeow which represents the opinions many others have already stated. I dont think he has said anything that adapts to this particular game, (kushpolicy and sheeping)+ Show Spoiler + somewhere in pandain/sent/zar/jat there just has to be some scum or i will probably cry. I have noticed a lot of weak posting by lonemeow. I have tried not to jump on it too hastily but how many times can i hear something about him being newb or having nothing to add (i think a couple others have said this, and it just makes my blood boil)... the ease in which he has been pushed around is unsettling though, so he's lower than a lot of other people on my "should die" list ...........................................................i forget how to page break............................................................................... other shit other than post more somone needs to tell me what VE has done that makes everyone think hes town all of a sudden. I have seen too many people compliment his improvement, but what the hell has he done because I cant find it in his posts? these people off put me I will not defend myself extensively. To answer basically rayn's entire post, I tried to generate a stutters conversation, but no one would talk to me about it, so in thread, it basically died. it was day 1 and I wasn't extremely confident + Show Spoiler + i have been posting from a phone most of this game, as I read the thread while working. Its something for me to do as I pass the time between surgeries and case studies. I could easily lurk and basically ward off all suspicion by doing so (cause HEY GUYS LURKERS HAVE BASICALLY GOTTEN A FREE PASS THIS GAME) but i dont, and with scum in the position they are currently in, why the fuck wouldn't i do this? (self meta/analyzing is so dirty feeling) mocsta keeps thinking im super easy to read as town, because when i play in a 6-9 person VM game that lasts 20 minutes (which im there and active for) I try to logic shit out (mostly because with that few players, it is actually a logic game) ... this is the basis of his entire case, which so many people have sheeped and jumped on. Isn't it just a little strange the ease in which votes have just been rained down upon me? nah bro's this is totes normal And you all can keep calling my play bad, but I have explained my reads and reasoning (albeit not in long winded posts like here) better than atleast half the players in this game, probably more (as if thats saying much) This ties back to the original. No where does it even state why Stutters is a person of interest. Further, he asks Mocsta, Marv , DP + Yamato for an opinion on stutters. 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On September 25 2013 21:18 marvellosity wrote: You said Sentinel is confirmed scum Shouldn't you be voting for him? And what is Mattchew to me? Srsly, i expect more from you marv. | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:28 marvellosity wrote: My vote hasnt dropped.I think you're mafia. 1) you've never mentioned Mattchew being "confirmed scum" 2) if Mattchew was 'confirmed scum', you wouldn't be so willing to move down the list in case the lynch doesn't "gain traction" Fuck you anyway; I guess this is sicilian reversed. I expect retardation from yamato; but not you. We be having words post-game if you genuinely think im scum.. i cant fucking believe this. | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: What Mocsta? In every post of those he asks people's opinion of Stutters. Strong people's, no? Ask them an opinion based on what fucking foundation? Do you even KNOW why he thinks stutters is a candidate to look into? Fuck me.. yet IM a scum read? | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:32 marvellosity wrote: Im completely sold on Matt/Zaragon/Geript/Sentinel as a team. I commented on this 5 hrs ago when i did filter dives.How is it retardation? You are calling one player "confirmed scum" while voting for another, who you comment: I will re-read mattchew tomorrow with a clear head (unfortunately, thats what 2-3hrs before deadline?). Im prob still biased against him at the moment though to be impartial when re-reading. It makes no sense. My town reads that are reptuable players are saying matt looks town. Am i not meant to question my read? Or do you want me to tunnel blindly? Fuck you again... that im even willing to re-consider matt with a fresh head is the towniest fuckn thing you can do. yet now you try and twist it. your a real piece of shit. | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:34 yamato77 wrote: Moc, Matt is town. I want you to explain why Sentinel wasn't on your list last night and yet is now "confirmed mafia". I must have missed that transition. Filter DIve.. i have a lot of problems with his play including inconsistencies, and i didnt like his explanation stories. also noticed all his scum reads are based on other ppl making accusations first (yet he doesnt sell the story this way) | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:35 marvellosity wrote: Go fucking tryAny more language like this and I'll get you lynched for being a cunt. | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:36 marvellosity wrote: lol. You're cute when you're annoyed. Anyways, I asked for a replacement. Treat my fillin as confirmed town will you K thnx, bye. | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: But your completely making a deduction?Stutters saying "lynch kush" and then saying "why lynch someone who gives us no information" later on. Mattchew does not clearly explain that but it's what i gather from his post you quoted. When have i said i think you are scum? How is that townie and transparent. Look whatever, you have made up your mind and filling in the gaps to suit the purpose. | ||
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I havent quit.. fuck.. i learnt my lesson in GoT.. jeez louise. Guess it was a joke in poor taste. Just wanted to throw out confirmed town. | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well it doesn't prove your towniness. Can you look at marv's list and tell what you think about those people? Mattchew is not here and me/marv/yamato have given our opinions already. List on what? I dont like pandain at all, never have. Cephiro im against, feels like a lurker lynch. and even if he is scum i think hes being pushed for the wrong reasons. theres 5 others guys, surely they can be found over him. JAT, i filter dived and personally I like him and dont have a problem he wants to be asked where to focus.. i mean, if he was scum.. and mattchew is town (which is what marv is proposing).. jat shoulda jumped all over the mattchew lynch as it was a free ride | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: If by Cephiro you mean thisWhat do you think about what i said about Cephiro? And didn't JAT jump on the Mattchew lynch a while ago? On September 25 2013 20:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: [/b]##Vote: Cephiro That being said. I am done with Cephiro. Every single post he makes ends up with "i am soon caught up, then i will prove my towniness and find scum!" and every time he fails to deliver anything at all. He's scum. I already said it. Its a lurker lynch.. activity isnt a metric for scum. I dont care for that lynch and will not support it at all for this cycle. but I am only 1 vote of 26. As for JAT, he joined because I kept pressuring him to take a stance. I will admit its odd that he said the case was logical, but would not vote.. but then, yam had the same reaction too. Like i said, i dont have a problem with him, i haven't read titantic, and dont plan to either. | ||
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On September 25 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: [/b]Cephiro is meant to be decent. And he promised to post. Him not being present intentionally would arouse suspicious. So as scum it defeats the purpose. The thing with Cephiro is not that he is lurking. It's that he promises something in every post of his and then doesn't deliver. Did you look at marv's post about JAT? There are some relevant quotes from JAT in Titanic. I would rather lynch deconduo over cephiro. Full stop. The JAT quotes are markedly different from titantic. So where does this put ObviousOne? He gave JAT a clear before and said his d1 play was reactionary.. | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:30 s0Lstice wrote: Vote Count FirmTofu (3): justanothertownie (1): kushm4sta, Cephiro (7): Pandain (1): Zaragon (0): [UoN]Sentinel (0): Mattchew (1): Umasi (1): FirmTofu marvellosity (1): raynpelikoneet (1): LoneMeow (7): Mattchew, Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes (0): LoneMeow hit 7 first. | ||
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On September 26 2013 09:34 iamperfection wrote: moc stop fucking around. Im not. Im not voting till the last 5minutes. Dont like it, then GTFO | ||
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On September 26 2013 09:37 iamperfection wrote: fuck off with the trolling we dont need it Its not. The vote swing is too intense; and giving scum opportunities to control the vote. so GTFO | ||
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On September 26 2013 09:43 Pandain wrote: Repost. Anyone want to switch to a better lynch on a conspicuously inactive person zaragon. his last post stinks.. (1) He is mimicing the idea of Geript, that all the active posters can not be town -> but is not providing any clues to WHO. This is basically conspiracy theories design to create distrust. (2) The way he mentioend asking fora replacement was very odd (3) His vote at the moment is a throw-away on FirtmTofu, even though he has been present enought o know the current situation on lynch candidates. (4) His filter, dont have time to make a case, but it stinks. Real bad. Zaragon *is* scum. | ||
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Allowing people to essentially ignore him -> blend in. It was not required in the slightest, and is evidence of a guilty/insecure mindset. | ||
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On September 26 2013 09:50 iamperfection wrote: decondu is a better choice he dosn't even know why he is voting for his scum read. Looks like he picked a top candidate tried to come up with some justification and failed. Problem I have with deconduo is that I dont get the impression he has tried to read the thread, even though he has commented on some peculiar things (e.g. the yamato confirmed town thing). Im not even sure why he made the comment about mattchew with the medic save on WoS... just really peculiar shit. Thing is, im of the same mindset as yam.. deconduo is the guy who was town and used the janitor role (and i shot him) so i dont trust my perception of him in the slightest. *sorry dude* I need a case to chew on to consider him seriously. | ||
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On September 26 2013 09:51 iamperfection wrote: i dont think we have enough votes to switch to anyone that already dosnt have votes however. 50% of the game is between Ceph/LoneMeow. That means we can get 50% of the game on zara.. and then with a proper 3way (7 votes each) it will be interesting to see how the wagons respond to each other. | ||
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I havent re-read mattchew defense. and i didnt unvote him because everyone else did. I unvoted him because i liked the way he approached the vote on lonemeow. It was pretty townie; even if he had a confidence boost from ppl unvoting him, its basically the way i expect him to play town (as per voice mafia). thats it in a nutshell. | ||
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On September 26 2013 09:55 iamperfection wrote: hes got like 5 posts any case resolves on what he just did i noticed the yamto thing earlier too but its not enough to think he is town after what he has just done Are you suggesting that the timing of his post, was a scum motivated interjection to derail the thread in a specific direction? Like, give specifics dude. Im actually saying, zaragon has made a post to allow him to be IGNORED and has his vote on a throw-away that does not impact the lynch direction... thats about as scummy as it gets. Lynch with fire! | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:00 yamato77 wrote: I doubt Zaragon is mafia From what? You have given no signs of interest in him, and now giving a read. GTFO | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Mocsta looks really really bad for doing what he just did imo. Vote me then, bish. Or i will check/shoot/ | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:19 VisceraEyes wrote: inb4 "VE just claimed GF" U better hope u r. Cos last night I checked Yam So GTFO | ||
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Just noticed Geript swapped sides. Marv -> Zaragon... uuuuggghhhh ##Vote; Geript | ||
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Its a parity check...why would i breadcrumb? GTFO | ||
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His response feels like he is holding back. I'm really annoyed with lone absence. So quite stuck. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:33 Pandain wrote: And the reward for most retarded vote is.............. Is it in the voting thread dipshit GTFO | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:36 iamperfection wrote: ceph bothered to show up lone didn't even bother to look up the deadline. Yep. That's the thing stopping me insta voting ceph | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm getting the feeling that both of these guys are town and scum dont give a fuck where the vote lands. Unless they already representing on the wagon... | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Mocsta does think I'm scum - but he doesn't want to disturb the wagons. Bingo | ||
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Im heavily leaning towards a vote on Lone. I don't get why if he deosnt' want to vote Ceph, he defaults to Tofu. As for Ceph, he wanted to swap to Decon. so can't tell if he voting Lone cos he thinks he is scummy, or for survival? Now, if both are scum, i can see why both are willing to unvote each other... but then, this would look pretty bad post-flip, so going to rule it out. Between the two; im interpretting Cephiro actions as more townieish. ##Vote: loneMeow | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:44 LoneMeow wrote: I obviously prefer lynching Cephiro over being lynched myself. Vote: Cephiro LOl ^ninja'd my post. VERY FUCKING INTERESTING. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:45 Cephiro wrote: Again: Why does me or Lone have to be scum? It seems like many people are thinking one of us has to be scum, yet almost no-one considers the possibility that the lynch could be between two townies today. Well, the wagons are set. i dont really hav ea choice if it was up to me i would lynch geript. no questions asked. | ||
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So im goign to unvote and swap to geript ##unvote: ##votE:l geript | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:50 LoneMeow wrote: Uncertain. Not caught up. All I know is, I am the doctor that saved yamato. This is such a poorly timed claim. You werent going to be lynched, as you had a 2 vote lead.. hence you needed 3 new votes. now your dead end of night.. well done. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:52 VisceraEyes wrote: HE COULDN'T CLAIM THAT AS SCUM IF HE'S ABOUT TO GET LYNCHED BECAUSE IT WOULD OUT YAMATO AS SCUM RIGHT?! Its real Its why i said hes goign to get shot (or RB'd is prob wiser) in the end, hes completely useless VT now.. it wasnt required. | ||
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no yamato + he was against chairman lynch (which yam was proposing) so we have a problem houston + he questions cephiro for lurking, yet wouldnt vote him prior. [b]##vote: lonemeow[/b geript vote on cepphiro is a major problem. | ||
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everyone, pile onto lonemeow. | ||
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Yeha, gave yam a very town read. | ||
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sorry guise hes scum i tell you ! | ||
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What's going on with malongo? Or is that a modkill at end of night2 | ||
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On September 26 2013 11:31 Mocsta wrote: What's going on with malongo? Or is that a modkill at end of night2 | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:08 Pandain wrote: I don't think so. I actually think your medic claim is null rather than town, because I've learned from Golden Sun that mafia can do retarded shit. But your previous play has been town. You have been active and contributing. Not afraid to get into the limelight and be pressured. I dunno if that's true. Not the claim part. The not afraid to be pressurised. I haven't been pressured yet. All I have done is chuck the shots yesterday at marv. Cos everyone influential is saying I'm scum, and no one has provided supporting reasons. Annoying as fuck. Anyways I'm really stumped this game. So much isn't adding up. It's more than just having a bad game. Going to have to reread with all reads back to null. So demotivated right now though. | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:28 Pandain wrote: see. Limelight isn't a tell. I'm proactive as either alignment.You've open yourself to BE pressured by being so proactive. You're not afraid of the limelight. And they're just mad. In an ideal world we would lynch you for lying, but unfortunately Ace isn't here to support me. I a tually don't care if ppl think I'm scum. I care they are discrediting me with zero reasons. As for the read on rayn. This is something I'm mulling over. I'm starting to think an active could be scum. Problem is. This is almost a cop out.. like lets say one or two scum are in me. Rayn. Marv. Yamato There's still 4 to 5 scum in the rest. Even though the pool is greater, the outcome of a mislynch is much less detrimental. I'm saying. Even if rayn or marv is my top scum read, I'm not sure if they should be targeyted as the first scum lynch.. it's the equivalent of why u don't vig active players. The counter argument is let them defend themselves and prove township... Is this effective use of thread time? Probably it is. But after the night kills. No point wasting time defending self now. When could be filter diving the other scum. Regarding ve. He martyrs/gives up as scum. He did it in hydra to OO. Just felt like throwing out it's alignment nullish K Thnx bye. Rant over | ||
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See how he talks to us as if he is a responsible parent. Reminds me if him in post game chat. | ||
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Choosing names via RNG; zaragon is first cab off the rank. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Zaragon&view=all + Show Spoiler +
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+ the early attack from CC CC looks really bad for joining me on the zaragon bandwagon at the end of Day2. Cant really give an opinion on geript as hes a piece of shit this game. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Stutters695&view=all + Show Spoiler +
I got a new scum read. Im a little jaded cos some of it feels like bias against extremely poor play; but theres a few things I just cant fathom originating from a town mindset. (1) He never comments on live thread matters -> accept a timely delurk to defend FirmTofu. In fact, the only people he talks about are (Kush, LoneMeow, Chairman) + 1 reference to FT. The 3 in front, are all easy target lurkers; 2 have flipped town. (2) He never pressures his reads (unless you include that Kush case, which he dropped as soon as it didnt get traction) and when you read his justifications, he doesnt actually explain why its scummy behaviour.. its just poor play (3) The vig request martyr is really odd as well. Martyrs seems to be the 'in" thing on TL these days, and its not alignment indicative (as in. auto-town). (4) Can you say this guy is honestly scum hunting? This is beyond poor play, the guy clearly has read the game, and picks/chooses his times to comment. This suggests that there is certainly a motive/agenda behind the posts; yet he doesn't scum hunt. SCUM RIGHT HERE. | ||
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im making really bad calls this game, which is why im trying to be as transparent as possible. Essentially I recognise I have been cockblocking ppl too prematurely in some cases. Interesting enough, marv has a presence in both these filters (zaragon/stutters) but in a really good way. DW marv, I will get to your filter eventually; dunno, if the word limit will run out though Wont be around for the next 6 hrs I guess, but next cab off the rank is Mr.CC. His filter is small, so I might be able to squeeze it out before I head out. Will see. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mr. Cheesecake&view=all + Show Spoiler +
Ran out of time to read full filter; but from first 50%, clearly town. Right attitude, and thoughts align with me.. as in, he is saying things first and i have the same opinion. Thats massive points. | ||
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no way zaragon is scum. as for your cases, this reads as scum putting distance between each other. the cases are all this feels this this feels that. yet with all that feeling, its barely a meta case, let alone a real case. same with the geript, u make bold accusations but do not declare why it is from a scum mindset. I look forward to seeing your rayn case 2.0 | ||
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to any cops left. please be careful. we only had 1 rb claim, which suggests the remaining 5 scum are a mix of framer/godfather. | ||
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fuck u no more streams, k thnx bye | ||
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and yet, if u try to lynch me for it, then u r merely providing your own nomination it happened. get over it. | ||
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On September 26 2013 18:16 marvellosity wrote: it's a 100% mafia-oriented play. Well, you are wrong. I did it for a few reasons, and the build up to the point was pretty clear. LoneMeow had no reason to claim. Granted I didnt read at the time he said "i haven't caught up yet" You can keep thinking im mafia, you have all game. But at least read the stream on consciousness on stutters. I think he is scum, for genuine scum motivated reasons. p.s. i have lynched claimed cops before at deadline, so it might be bad play, but its not 100% mafia oriented. | ||
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look what i posted at the same time he claimed i was paying careful attention to the counts.. my downfall was that i expected the same of everyone else i agree dec/ve comments are odd. but if u working off cephiro is scum, then there must be scum on the wagon BEFORE the claim On September 26 2013 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LoneMeow (13): Mattchew, | | \/ On September 26 2013 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LoneMeow (13): Mattchew, guess what mattchew coag oo ceph stutters iamp ceph can be treated in isolation but hey look... its my man stuttetrs lynch this guy with fire | ||
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On September 26 2013 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is so wrong. Rayn. You just dropped GreyMist points.Mocsta. Why are people who voted for LoneMeow before the claim more suspicious then people who voted for him after the claim. You yourself said he wasn't gonna get lynched. We don't know Cephiro's alignment for sure. What makes those people suspicious? In my opinion people who voted for LM after his claim are far more suspicious than those who voted for him before. If we look only at the votes. Because, for real, nobody should have voted for him after the claim. Firstly, I said LoneMeow was not getting lynched, *AFTER* lonemeow voted for cephiro, to make it lonemeow (7)? and Cephiro(9)? (numbers were not double checked). Secondly, if Cephiro *was* a scum lynch generated by Marv; it makes sense for scum to protect Cephrio by being on the counter wagon => LoneMeow. Thirdly, it then makes sense that scum would not have been early Cephiro votes; (late cephiro votes is possible though). Lastly, after my medic claim, both town/scum could have jumped on-board so its very hard to judge those votes. So like it goes back to; if marv is proposing that Cephiro is 99% scum; that there *must* be at least one scum on lonemeow to protect Cephiro. I made a case on Stutters way before this revelation; and lo and behold, stutters was a voter before that medic claim. Lynch Stutters with Fire Essentially, the votes post (my) medic-claim on lonemeow are in a vacuum, as scum/town could jump on that with no v | ||
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On September 26 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote: The last line of your post right there, Moc, is the illustration of how catastrophically bad what you did was. Lol.. that was maent to be deleted. sigh. | ||
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On September 26 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Mocsta, do you want to lynch Stutters or Cephiro? I haven't read Cephiro filter. (yet) - im not here for much longer, so prob wont do it till i wake up tomorrow. I have read Stutters filter, and i dont see how he can be town. Im not going to start a wagon next day (theres 0 chance of me being shot) cos im playing really bad. All i care about is that we lynch scum, so Im obviously comfortable with a stutters lynch. | ||
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On September 26 2013 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the point. It's impossible to make analysis from the lynch because you ruined it Mocsta.. well, you and marv are waving ya dicks around like cephiro *IS* scum; so the parts before the claim is valid as I outlined. | ||
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On September 26 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so in your last post your reasoning for Stutters lynch was "because there has to be at least one scum to defend Cephiro". If Cephiro is town, then, by your definition Stutters is not surely scum. What gives? You are being really incoherent. Aside this, can you give your thoughts on Koshi and Mr.CC? (1) I know my filter is large and diverse so I can excuse not seeing this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=205#4098 Its a case on Stutters, were I walk through my interpretation of his filter. Feel free to challenge on any points. (2) Koshi is really agitating with his reluctance to front a case on anyone, yet yell they are scum. Doesnt make him scum though. As I said before, im done reading today (not cycle.. day). I can add him to the queue (3) CC. im 50% through CC http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=206#4106 | ||
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im confused because from what i read, hes clearly town (on my heuristics at least), but quite a few are concerned about him, including OO (who holds some weight with me after his VCA post thingo.) Marv, cephiro thing he just posted looks interesting. I will prioritise him tomorrow. | ||
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On September 26 2013 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you realize you made that case on N2, when the information about the flip was already available? And you can't see what's wrong with that compared to your latest comment? That went over my head? Who cares when I made the case.. i wasn't looking at the flip when i wrote that. I was looking at his filter and making comments as I read stuff. Did you even open the spoiler? And no I can't see whats wrong..... | ||
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On September 26 2013 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also in your CC filter dive you leave out a point that's most important to me (and should be to you aswell). Stutters. You are leaving it out even though it's in the first 2 pages. Mocsta Mocsta.. I am starting to think you are scum. Y u so retarded.. its there? "Some general banter. post The comment to lynch stutters is not hard, so if stutters is scum; it means nothing for cc alignment." | ||
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On September 26 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is CC's last comment about Stutters. It's on page 3 in his filter. You have therefore read it if you are "half past" his filter. I dont recall reading that.. and if you want to know where i stopped. its where the last dot point is. Pretty weak attempts from you.. Why arent you debunking Stutters? | ||
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On September 26 2013 23:17 strongandbig wrote: Who does rhar Does this mean the seal of approval is gone? | ||
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On September 26 2013 23:29 strongandbig wrote: Nah I still like the case. I just can't decide if your fakeclaim makes you scum, or if we should policy lynch you, or if we should let you live. Like, I kind of see what Marv is thinking about needing to policy lynch you to guarantee the integrity of mafia as a game. Look at grack last game, he was scum and made a retarded fakeclaim (less egregious than this one tho) which got oeople to say "only townies would make this stupid a fakeclaim". But otoh I really want to kill cephiro. If im going to be policy lynched.. Theres a bunch of other ppl that need to be policy lynched. I personally think, if I was scum, I wouldnt have recanted the claim. It was easy enough to say we both medic'd yamato. But i understand thats WIFOM.. im just saying.. ppl have thought im scum for a long period of the game. This fakeclaim business is not helping my cause; i dont see how that satisfies a scum agenda. He was a useless doc this night anyway; as there is 1 RB confirmed, and it would have gone straight to Meow. | ||
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On September 26 2013 23:41 marvellosity wrote: You don't see how lynching the doctor and saving a probable mafia satisfies a scum agenda? Really? A 1 for 1 trade? Sounds absolutely stupid to me. | ||
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On September 26 2013 23:41 marvellosity wrote: You don't see how lynching the doctor and saving a probable mafia satisfies a scum agenda? Really? If you must know the truth. Geript voted Cephiro, which made me doubt the wagon being scum. and then lonemeow came out with teh claim, when I already figured out he needed a 3 man swing to be lynched. I took things into my own hands, made a gambit. It was a poor choice. If you policy lynch me, the game will be essentially over though, because thats 6 NK scum have until scum can be lynched (assuming no medic saves, or further vig) | ||
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On September 26 2013 23:50 marvellosity wrote: How many people are wanting to lynch you right now? Not many. Doesn't sound that stupid. No1s calling me town; my cause isnt helped. AND its night cycle, you can't lay down a vote. So who actually knows. | ||
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On September 27 2013 00:01 Mattchew wrote: Mocsta is so town though thnx <3 thoughts on stutters>? | ||
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On September 27 2013 03:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Looking at cakecheese... Also Really 1 for 4 in the worst case, with one of the four being a doctor. Even if Ceph gets lynched D3, that's still an extra three kills the mafia gets to send in, up to 3 town deaths, and up to 3 less town votes. This is really bad. The trade is 1 for 1, because regardless of whether LM or Cephiro flipped, mafia would receive nightkills, and thus, get eliminated from the equation. Considering how much Sentinel has inputted; that a comment such as the above is his primary concern to make is *very disconcerting*. Especially because its heavily twisted to paint me red... This guy needs to be looked into carefully D4 (D3 should be Cephiro/Stutters depending on vigs) (2) I love how Stutters continues to ignore my case. (He knows I dont have town cred at all.. so interesting.. especially as he says he has read the whole thread); and others have endorsed the case as solid. (odd is it not to ignore??) Then we get this. On September 27 2013 06:14 Stutters695 wrote: And if Ceph happens to be town, Moc is probably just being his terrible self where he gets crazy ideas. This guy is completely setting me up to be lynched as soon as Ceph flips red. There is zero justification given to his conclusions. "probably this is the outcome" but where is the why? Exactly the type of stuff i wrote about in my stream of consciousness on stutters declaring him scum. On September 26 2013 16:25 Mocsta wrote: Stream of consciousness: Stutters695 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Stutters695&view=all + Show Spoiler +
I got a new scum read. Im a little jaded cos some of it feels like bias against extremely poor play; but theres a few things I just cant fathom originating from a town mindset. (1) He never comments on live thread matters -> accept a timely delurk to defend FirmTofu. In fact, the only people he talks about are (Kush, LoneMeow, Chairman) + 1 reference to FT. The 3 in front, are all easy target lurkers; 2 have flipped town. (2) He never pressures his reads (unless you include that Kush case, which he dropped as soon as it didnt get traction) and when you read his justifications, he doesnt actually explain why its scummy behaviour.. its just poor play (3) The vig request martyr is really odd as well. Martyrs seems to be the 'in" thing on TL these days, and its not alignment indicative (as in. auto-town). (4) Can you say this guy is honestly scum hunting? This is beyond poor play, the guy clearly has read the game, and picks/chooses his times to comment. This suggests that there is certainly a motive/agenda behind the posts; yet he doesn't scum hunt. SCUM RIGHT HERE. (3) On September 27 2013 06:55 marvellosity wrote: How are people feeling about jat right now? And why? Are we still writing kush off as probable town? I think Kush is town for same reasons as OO. His filter is identical to smurf + the stutters push (which is obviously association read) As fro JAT, I liked him all game, even when you gave him a 50/50 read. But I felt this push on me was a touch over done (but he could be butthurt i suppose) On September 27 2013 00:40 justanothertownie wrote: Did you not read it pre lynch? It is not that big. I seriously don't like that you turned over this lynch onto LM like that without even reading cephiros filter. Don't tell me you did and the lynch/postlynch stuff is missing. That's not that much either. My comment about not reading Cephiro filter, was after I said everyone is back to null and im re-reading everyone and doing streams of consciouness. When the lynch was on, I prefered Cephiro>LoneMeow. My issue was that LoneMeow wasnt preseent, whereas Cephiro was; and LoneMeow didnt vote Cephrio for survival. I commented about all this in the thread. Its not hard to look up.. (4) Lastly, Yam. I dont hold it against you, that you want to call me scum. If the roles were reversed I am not sure if I could walk away. Seriously, if you want to keep calling me scum; at least have the courtesy to go through my filter and mount a case. All you are doing is taking your interpretation (from memory) of my actions; and slandering me. You have town cred, so some people are instantly buying this. The fact is: I am town, whether you like it or not. My expectation is: If you actually read my quotes, you will see consistency and transparency. You can choose to believe it or not; but I wouldnt do this as scum. I have done a similar thing in ONE game, where I hammered someone in the last minute; but there were four key differences. (1) I was GF - which is possible this game (2) I was town leader - which I am clearly not this game (3) Both my team mates were modkilled halfway through Day1 - and i felt i needed to take a risk (4) The guy I hammered, I had been pressuring all day, so the action was consistent. NONE OF THAT was present this game... it makes no sense as scum trying to play proper scum (which yes, I do prefer over town). | ||
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if Cephiro is shot as well; go straight to stutters. if Cephiro is not shot (i.e. only 1 vig and its me dead).. lynch Cephrio, then Stutters Its impossible for stutters to be town BUT i can understand prioritizing Cephiro, to gain transparency about the D2 lynch. | ||
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On September 27 2013 10:46 yamato77 wrote: If you're town, Moc, I will be shocked. Like. U really need to review how u pressure and scum hunt. How am I even meant to respond to this? It's just slander yam. I am far from playing a perfect game, but at least I express clearly what my issues with play is. The same can not be said for u. Not once throughout the whole game have u actually explained why I'm scum. Other than he enjoys playing scum... And so what? | ||
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On September 27 2013 10:43 Stutters695 wrote: wifom defense. Great work there.Moc; I'll bite: Iirc: FT was my partner in Titanic, and I didn't need to defend him. Why would I do it now? If we were partners I'd let him roll on his own, or fabricate a confrontation as that is easy for me to do as scum. 2) I feel I explained why it was scummy. I can elaborate if you don't agree, and I think he still deserves to be lynched. 3) I've been sick and haven't cared to play. If I'm going to get Vig'd I'd rather it be n1 than later when my death honestly affects the game. 4) I haven't scum-hunted, I'll be the first to admit it. What "agenda" am I pushing except that I want to live, which I want to do as either alignment because surviving helps town lynch other people and keys me live in the cases I roll scum. What about that actually makes me scum? Elaborate.. that's a first for you this game. Please do. More wifom.. I have seen sick town ask for replacements. But this is a first. Vig me... Dodging the crux. Yes both want to live. Your issue is that u keep talking enough to show u r reading and caught up. But then do nothing with it. Classic scum blending. And u were doing it again this cycle I had to comment three times u ignorded my case to illicit a reaction.. that's bad. Town might not retort to a case, but they will acknowledge it exists. U just hopes it died along Sith my town cred Scum scum scum | ||
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Are u voting me or cephiro or stutters 1 if us MUST go this cycle | ||
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On September 27 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm going on strike until we get some fucking modkills. Period. Good point. Wtf happened to malongo?? | ||
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On September 27 2013 10:56 geript wrote: But you should both be commenting in Arisen's last post. It's awful and scummy. I get that... But Do u think scum that is killing marv.. would then do what risen did?.. I.e. advocate to kill marv? I don't think so. It's pointless. | ||
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Who else than cephiro is scum? | ||
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On September 27 2013 11:20 Umasi wrote: You and Sentinel. Rather, idk if you're scum, but you're the only person I would like to swap to atm, because I'm ticked with your doc claim, but that's not something town or scum would do, just ridiculous. Sentinel is my other scumread. But coag stated it pretty well, lynch marvs scumreads. Ok. I like this honesty. Please keep interacting with the thread though. I'm gonna finish my cc stream I do thinks town though. Espeicially his reaction at end of night. | ||
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I'm all for cephiro being lynched What I am against is this cycle having zero discussion on other reads.. that's just a waste of 48hrs. Even if me and Geript is scum There's more out there. Who else? | ||
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Can u cut out the name calling.. it's makes everything read as emotional. Both of u have raised fair points and there was an easy answer to Geript pressure which you did not provide. I'm a bit concerned by that to be frank. Anyways I asked before. Who is the other 3 scum. Surely you are not relying on association flips to make reads? | ||
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The easy answer before was.. I had a slight town lean, so still would consider him scum at lylo That's common with marv and acceptable to say. You never said this. Instead you reassured us of your hard town read on marv. Which makes wanting to kill him very suspicious. | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:25 Risen wrote: Why are you talking to me? If you're scum you did your job and got the doctor lynched, now wait for Ceph to get lynched so you can get lynched. If you're town just go afk and/or stop talking to me as I'm not interested in playing with you. This is a really odd way to handle my completely valid point. Why are you going all ad hom? The questions being asked are simple and straight forward. | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:48 FirmTofu wrote: Why do u guys spam so much shit... Just consolidate and post meaningful shit. Now I have to sift through this nonsense to find something of value... Hypocrite... Anyways when you are back I would like to hear your opinion on cephiro and stutters | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:56 FirmTofu wrote: You are calling me a hypocrite? YOU? Have you even thead my filter? There is not a single post that wasn't straight to the point and pushing the thread forward. I don't know what is up with you this game, but you have no right to accuse me of anything after that play you just pulled. Hypocrite Cos u spammed to call out spammers | ||
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Guys im about to land a bombshell A complete 180' on someone I have been calling town for a while. I still think Cephiro needs to be lynched First, so we can have closure from Day2. However, Im trying to find the rest of the scum. And along with Stutters, I think this guy is confirmed scum Post to follow | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mr. Cheesecake&view=all + Show Spoiler [part1] +
Part 1: summary Ran out of time to read full filter; but from first 50%, clearly town. Right attitude, and thoughts align with me.. as in, he is saying things first and i have the same opinion. Thats massive points. + Show Spoiler [part2] +
CC is scum 100% regardless of Cephiro being town or scum (most likely scum). As Cc actinos make more sense for scum motive if Cephiro is scum. Its too hard to summarise it (its all contained in part 2 of the stream, from "MAJOR ISSUE"), basically.. CC is a jovial guy, and I like him for general chit chat which is what his Part 1 stream was filled with, hence me liking him as town etc. (I guess what can i say, hes charismatic).. But when you look at his actions, specifically around flipflopping on lonemeow..without a doubt, he can only be scum. | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Firstly, thank you for following up on your suspicions and taking the time to write up a case. I really appreciate that there is something I can finally respond to, in terms of people calling me scum.+ Show Spoiler + First: can we assume that sentiment is that Cephiro is the lynch today? Yes? No? Yes. We can. Because marv died and that was his dying breath right? Well guess who didn't give a shit who was lynched yesterday. Mocsta. First of all, he didn't really like either of the wagons at the time. Thought they were both town, and wanted to get a third wagon going on a third candidate in Zaragon. On September 26 2013 09:54 Mocsta wrote: 50% of the game is between Ceph/LoneMeow. That means we can get 50% of the game on zara.. and then with a proper 3way (7 votes each) it will be interesting to see how the wagons respond to each other. Which...whatever. If that was his read that was his read right? But he was bucking an already split-down-the-middle lynch, trying to get another wagon going? One of which, presumably, we're ALL certain is scum today right? On September 26 2013 10:26 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote Just noticed Geript swapped sides. Marv -> Zaragon... uuuuggghhhh ##Vote; Geript On September 26 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote: Yep, jsut checked lone filter. no yamato + he was against chairman lynch (which yam was proposing) so we have a problem houston + he questions cephiro for lurking, yet wouldnt vote him prior. ##vote: lonemeow[/b geript vote on cepphiro is a major problem. Okay so first of all, Lone's filter isn't long and he presumably would have read it before now because there were the candidates at the time right? But the other points he raises were issues BEFORE the doctor claim right? So why was he town before, or not lynchable enough to look for other candidates? If Mocsta was town on LM before, there would have been no reason to disbelieve the doctor claim. Period. He would have been like "Oh, I was right. Cool dude!" Nope. Mocsta wants to kill you. He wants harm to befall everything you love. He deserves your vote, and he deserves his fate. On September 27 2013 12:59 VisceraEyes wrote: First: can we assume that sentiment is that Cephiro is the lynch today? Yes? No? Yes, I am in agreement. But i dont want the cycle to fall flat on its face. Keep looking for more targets. Yes. We can. Because marv died and that was his dying breath right? No, Mav has nothing to do with it. Being confirmed town, doesn't make his logic correct by default. We lynching Cephiro because the reasoning was good AND now its trustworthy that marv is confirmed town. Dying wish has nothing to do with it. Well guess who didn't give a shit who was lynched yesterday. Mocsta. Quite a statement; false, might I add. However, I will indulge your case. First of all, he didn't really like either of the wagons at the time. Thought they were both town, and wanted to get a third wagon going on a third candidate in Zaragon. Correct, I was completely unsure between LoneMeow/Cephiro. And I had advocated prior in the thread that I had additonal scum reads on Geript + Zaragon -- several times might I add.Which...whatever. If that was his read that was his read right? But he was bucking an already split-down-the-middle lynch, trying to get another wagon going? One of which, presumably, we're ALL certain is scum today right? Perhaps, but certainly no one exhibited that confidence yesterday (for the people present).. AND where you fall short is that, if Cephiro is scum and I am scum, I coulda jumped onto LoneMeow with no penalty. On September 26 2013 10:26 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote Just noticed Geript swapped sides. Marv -> Zaragon... uuuuggghhhh ##Vote; Geript [B]On September 26 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote: Yep, jsut checked lone filter. no yamato + he was against chairman lynch (which yam was proposing) so we have a problem houston + he questions cephiro for lurking, yet wouldnt vote him prior. ##vote: lonemeow[/b geript vote on cepphiro is a major problem. Okay so first of all, Lone's filter isn't long and he presumably would have read it before now because there were the candidates at the time right? But the other points he raises were issues BEFORE the doctor claim right? So why was he town before, or not lynchable enough to look for other candidates? I dont understand what you are suggesting? The second quote (geript vote on cepphiro is a major problem) occured AFTER lonemeow claimed doc.Im basically being transparent, and identifying that Geript vote swap, was a contributor to me thinking lonemeow claim was fake. This along with CC pointing out lonemeow had no reference of Yam, made me doubt lonemeow enough to fake claim. If Mocsta was town on LM before, there would have been no reason to disbelieve the doctor claim. Period. He would have been like "Oh, I was right. Cool dude!" I wasn't full town on either of them, i was completely uncertain of which way to go. This is clear in my filter, where I raise pro/cons for either of them. I was leaning scummier on lonemeow, as cephiro was at least trying to survive, whereas lonemeow was a complete non-entity.Nope. Yeah i disagree. This analysis is pretty poor; ultimately, nothing pointed out is fact. You are taking leaps of faith to justify an outcome you are manufacturing.[b]Mocsta wants to kill you. He wants harm to befall everything you love. He deserves your vote, and he deserves his fate Look, lets play a game... you have done your analysis, and thinking I am scum. 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On September 27 2013 13:25 Zaragon wrote: Trying to knee-jerk a role to come out, throwing himself on the bullet for Cephiro since he's suspicious himself already and expect to get lynched? Maybe I'm just sleep-deprived, it could definitely be flawed logic. Anyway, see you tomorrow guys What? ObivousOne was roleblocked yesterday. Surely someone would be RB'd today? Why does asking about an RB suggest I am scum? seriously dude? Let me guess, you were RB'd; and took my question to the thread personally? | ||
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On September 27 2013 13:27 geript wrote: One quick point before my phone dies. Town VE wouldn't necessarily follow up on my risen read, but he'd follow up on rise a response. His response is really fucking scummy and VE ignoring it entirely to lead a third lynch is way off base. Even more off base is the fact that VE isn't making a real hard push for why Moc is scum. Risen made a bad post and got caught. Be tried to cover for him. Risen continued to pander. Scum had to improvise while VE was mysteriously absent from thread to figure out how to respond and chainsawed onto Moc. Yeah, thats quite a fair comment. Why is everyone ignoring what I wrote about Mr.CC? You don't seem confirmation biased against me (Im looking at zaragon here).. Can you please have a read. | ||
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The best you can produce for this game is what boils down to a policy lynch Even though you don't have time to find scum for genuine reasons, you had time to manufacture that case. Did you want to be my next stream of consciousness? | ||
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On September 27 2013 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Mocsta you're a snake, and what's worse is that you're more verbose and eloquent than I am. You're willing to put more time into this game than I am, and frankly there's nothing you say that is going to make me believe that you're town based on the shenanigans surrounding the lynch. Inexcusable if you're town. My activity is one thing, but what you did to the lynch is completely inexcusable if you're town. I prefer to believe that you're incapable. That you could NOT do what you did to the lynch yesterday as town. And so that's where my vote lies. Btw I take this as a refusal to take up my challenge to read my filter and identify scum motivations for things I have endorsed. Correct? | ||
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On September 27 2013 13:58 FirmTofu wrote: So you are eliminating the possibility of a scum aligned vig and insinuating that I did not read the thread. I feel like you really, really want me to vote you. Much obliged. ##vote: geript ?? OP states roles for scum limited to rb, framer, gf There is only 1 rb confirmation. Vig is a town role. Pls stop spamming | ||
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On September 27 2013 14:10 FirmTofu wrote: I want to see your "stream of consciousness" on VE please. I'm busy this weekend. It's a long weekend too. I will do my best to do ve next, maybe in 30hrs. Will try tonight but no promises. I made a part 2 on Mr.cc and think he is scum No-one has commented which is annoying Perhaps you. Can share thought | ||
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On September 27 2013 14:14 FirmTofu wrote: yeah I saw after I posted haha.This isn't spamming. I'm trying to solve this game. With marv gone, we need more townies to step up to the plate, especially if you are scum. I'm not about to let scum control the thread flow. And yeah, iamp pointed out my mistake. Read above. Yeah. More ppl active the better. Without a reread I'm null on umasi. Like last time I read him I was town, but, he just seems to puck weird times to show his presence. I don't get it. Really seems to be an active lurker. Null till I stream him | ||
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Just thought u should know. Thanks for rejecting my challenge to read my filter and identify how what I have endorsed is scum motivated | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=justanothertownie&view=all + Show Spoiler +
JAT is probable town. I would say clear, but his filter actually requires some investigation to understand. In the end, his actions are extremely congruent; and pieces that didnt't make sense on Day1, are explained UNINTENTIONALLY day2.. which is incredible.. consistency like this can only be from town. Further, we already know Cephiro is flipping scum; but essentially, the way Cephiro approached his case on JAT, is precisely why Cephiro is scum. This is outlined in the stream of consciousness (towards the end) Zaragon Stutters695 Mr.Cheesecake | ||
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Late Night2, Stutters came into the thread, and you queried him in a non- town to town manner. Can you please indicate your lean on Stutters695. | ||
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On September 27 2013 16:54 Pandain wrote: There's no reason to not lynch Ceriph today. If he's scum, we lynch VE next. There is already plenty of analysis and today's shootings reflect that. I also fundamentally disagree with VE saying that scum don't shoot people who are on the right track. So they only blue hunt or try to meta? we def lynching cephiro today, but, we shouldn't have a discussionless cycle either. post game, everyone always say to prioritise shots for people on track, then blues. all about risk mitigation. so yeah, ve just stinks right now based on day3 | ||
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Yes; it is very bad. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=233#4646 | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:22 iamperfection wrote: And where is the scum motivation for giving a town read to cc anyways? I didn't have to give a read on him at all. I choose to. Explain why it's bad moc I didn't say you were scum for giving CC a town read. I said, giving him a town read specifically due to those actions is bad. Your a touch over-defensive about this. I can only assume you agree that his actions around LoneMeow are highly suspect? | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:32 iamperfection wrote: No I said the opposite Well I'm confused. You were the one talking about scum motivation for giving a town read. Which is pre-flip WIFOM anyways. The real question is: Did you bother to read my comments on Mr.CC; and if so, do you still think his behaviour regarding LoneMeow/Cephiro are town in motive? | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: + Show Spoiler + Because I'm sheeping. If he's scum then I'm bussing cus that's what I do as scum, if he's town I'm pushing a mislynch--correct, no? It gives us a plethora of information from the votes yesterday, and according to yam/marv confirmed townies he is mafia. I don't like trusting other people in this situation, but they are confirmed now. Give me 3 reasons I am scum like this, no evidence required. A short sentence for each. 1) 2) 3) (1) You refused to vote Cephiro last cycle, and even challenged others who wanted to vote Cephiro. [A] On September 26 2013 09:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I have a really big problem with dec coming in here one and a half hours pre-lynch, after I didn't even know he was playing this game, and dropping that post. "LM is obviously noob town" REALLY? Nothing in his filter can be explained by him being scum at all? But apparently nothing in Cephiros filter is justifiable from a town perspective. Smells of generalizations. [B] On September 26 2013 10:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: <Regarding LoneMeow & Cephiro> I'm getting the feeling that both of these guys are town and scum dont give a fuck where the vote lands. [C] On September 26 2013 10:44 LoneMeow wrote: I obviously prefer lynching Cephiro over being lynched myself. Vote: Cephiro On September 26 2013 10:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: hi, who is mafia? From Stream:
(2) Mr.CC reaction to LoneMeow doctor claim, does not align with how he handles the Mocsta doctor fake-claim [A] On September 26 2013 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Or he's trying to out a doctor, and trying to switch the vote onto Cephiro. FUCK! no mention of yam at ALL in his filter either. FUUUUUUUCK [B] On September 26 2013 10:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: LOL IN B4 BOTH DOCS DOCCED YAM LOL From stream:
(3) Day 3 votes Cephiro due to "sheeping" As per the above, Mr.CC clearly treated Cephiro as town Day2. Now his premise for voting his town read is: "Because I'm sheeping". Thats bullshit. If Mr.CC believed Cephiro is town, he should be trying to prevent a mislynch; instead he is happy to just plop his vote down. Mr.CC actions do NOT align align with his words | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Moc I said 1 sentence for each point. I gave you 3 points. And then provided reasoning lol.. it was what you wanted. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:01 Risen wrote: Not only that Mocsta, but his play, imo, looks very similar to his scum play in our last game together. And even though I'm not one for meta reads, he was scummy last game, too. I just wanted him alive because I needed his soul :< LOl... i appreciate the agreement.. but, was I not a scum read for you prior? Do you think I am bussing Mr.CC with that case? | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mocsta, I already said this. I believed your claim because I had a town read on you. I assumed you were outing because LM was faking with 10 mins to deadline. My all caps claim that both you and LM were doctors was SARCASM MOCSTA. Jesus. I am voting Cephiro today because 1) I never thought he was town, I just had a stronger scumread on LM 2) sheeping, it will tell us a lot about the voting patterns. I will tell you this Mocsta: You will never lynch me. I am not scum. Wasting your time with misconceptions about my play or how I think is bad. Well, i dont have to argue with you whether you are scum or not. Its up to the thread to decide. Regardless, Cephiro is getting lynched this cycle. And regarding the defense: On September 28 2013 01:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Has already been proven incorrect via the case I made.I am voting Cephiro today because 1) I never thought he was town, Rest is all WIFOM. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:17 Risen wrote: Yes. I always talk to my scum reads, I just flipped my shit b/c Geript. But, you aren't really talking to me? OK, how about this. Cephiro is getting lynched this cycle. If im scum, and Mr.CC is scum.. What do I have to achieve by pushing out this case at this point in time? If im scum, and Mr.CC is town, again, what do i achieve by pushing this out now? You were the one, who said, Cephiro promising to keep coming back is classic scum play that you would use; so i would really appreciate your thoughts on the above. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:21 Risen wrote: I haven't read this in full yet. But just wanted to say, if any parity cops are out there, I think the checks are useless.+ Show Spoiler + On September 23 2013 01:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh, ninja'd. Risen did the same thing as, admittedly 3P, in Aperture for D1. Keep him around for a while. Otherwise the other 3 seem OK for now. On September 26 2013 02:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I quite agree with that's how scum can play. You were in Aperture; As scum I saw the entire game how people on my team were playing -- apart from the couple actives they were all lurking and barely contributing unless their hide was on the line. The only other times Mr. CC has said a single word about me. Then this. On September 28 2013 01:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mocsta, this is because Risen is mafia. No wavering on Risen being crazy, nothing else, just flat out calling me scum. Town players wouldn't display such certainty. With only 1 RB confirmed; there is a mixture of 5 Framer/GF. Any high profile checks have such a high potential for manipulation, need to rely on scum hunting; not blue checking. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:24 Risen wrote: 1) Juicy town cred and the title of "Best scum play 2013" if it works since "no one would ever fake claim doctor to get the doctor lynched then bus his teammate who had been flying under the radar" 2) You get the appearance of scum hunting which is townie, since Mr. CC appears to be scum to at least one townie (me) (1) I know you have a mafia award for "best scum play" but this is far fetched even for you. (2) The whole point of the "streams of consciousness" is for anyone doubting my alignment, to read what I have wrote. Read the posts, and read my comments. Do your thoughts align? Seriously, as scum, if im bussing Mr.CC its not going to be for something as detailed as my streams. WAY too much effort for the same net benefit of writing 3 lines saying Mr.CC is scum. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: First post from stream (from case)I never made a case for why Ceph was town, ever. THE ONLY REASON I DIDN'T VOTE CEPH WAS BECAUSE LM WAS A STRONGER SCUMREAD. I made one or two assumptions that Ceph was town because LM was scum. Other than that, no. On September 26 2013 08:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm content sitting my ass on LoneMeow until someone can convince me that another person is scum. JAT -- Post it. Even though at this point in time I thought LoneMeow was more scummy of the two; a statement like this directly implies that Cephiro is a town read for you. Its cut and dry. Then when you factor in Marv, hammering in Cephiro as prime lynch all cycle.. and you avoid discussing Cephiro with the above... yeah.. the hole is VERY deep. | ||
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Thats a fact As for the thoughts, they are summarised at the end for lazy ppl like yourself. But this is theory crafting, and can be discussed post-game. I got the feeling most ppl arent reading them anyways (so you could have merit) | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:51 justanothertownie wrote: Mocsta, maybe it is somewhere in your abomination of a filter but could you tell me precisely why the hell you felt the need to counterclaim a doctor when you stated that you were unsure about the lynch before again? On phone so can't find my quote Basically. Lone didn't vote ceph Geript voted cephiro at an opportune time Lone then votes ceph and claims doc Cc notices no info on yam in line filter I make a decision line fake claimed, so fake claimed to lynch him At the time Geript was a scum read, and cc was a town read | ||
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On September 28 2013 07:30 geript wrote: Risen, VE and mattchew are scum. Mocsta is town despite a bonehead play to lynch a claimed doc with confirmed heal over Ceph. Ceph is a scummy coin flip despit Marv 's 100% scum promise. VE is scum. Risen is Scum. Mattchew is scum. Coag is confirmed town. That's about it. Can you please outline more on mattchew. I don't recall you supporting my case in him. | ||
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On September 28 2013 14:51 iamperfection wrote: I didnt mind his reaction yesterday, so i was actually thinking the same thing(s) today myself.moc a lot of your points against mr cc revolve around his reaction to decondu and they reek of confirmation bias and taking stuff out of context. where you say cc is fucked and other points regarding decondu looks like the same analysis that i put in when decondu came in. I thought he looked extremely bad yet you twist to say well he must be defending cephiro. You fail to account for maybe he is just reading decondu at the time which is clearly evident with the point you made about this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=192#3822 This post is clearly reacting to deocondus entrance to the thread. You had similar points revolving around decondu and you took as a defense of cephiro where i see it as just an attempt to analyze decondus entrance to the thread. On top of that most of your points dont you say yourself are either non tells or dont say anything about aligment. Your main revolves around decondu and his reaction to it and you took it as a defense which i think is just wrong as it was just a reaction. You cant just take posts out of context what is happening in the thread at the time is a big part of trying to figure out alignments. Since mr. CC had similar reactions to myself it leads me to believe he is town. 1. him finding decondu scummy for the way he came in voted and left 2. the immediate reaction to the claim to go look if it is legit ( remember mr cc would know lone was telling the truth if he were scum) On top of that Mr. CC caring about the lynch and the fluid and open dialouge he was having throughout it points to him more likely to be town. Hard for most scum to do that. Its something I will mull over after the Cephiro lynch outcome. I'm still pretty sure Stutters can be lynched safely though. | ||
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On September 28 2013 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta i know you should be around. What do you think of iamp's statement regarding what i said in my last post? My opinion hasn't changed from before. I will re-examine once Cephiro has been lynched. I don't think I have confirmation bias as per what iamp said, because: (1) I had a probable town read on Mr.CC until the post in question; & (2) My posts build up suspicion, as more information comes about; which tie in directly to my suspicion Having said that though; I am still making an educated deduction based on limited information, so it was brash for me to say Mr.CC is 100% scum. | ||
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On September 28 2013 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, problem is, like i said on D2, that there were no people contributing towards the lynch, when it mattered. For the first 36 hours, there were ~7 people who were actively trying to find out a lynch/defending themselves. They were (on top of my head) me, you, marv, yamato, FT, JAT and more or less a couple of other dudes maybe. That's really crap. In the last 8h every single lurker chimed in and suddenly there was some LoneMeow lynch that came out of nowhere. I am not saying it was a bad lynch in the first place, i am saying it was a fucked up lynch because of the timing and how the lynch went down. IT was easy for scum to "contribute" towards the lynch at that point, i am more interested in looking into people who were absent in the first place and came along "discussing the lynch" when the wagons were already set up. Can you see what i am trying to say Mocsta? I can see what you are trying to say; and I eagerly await your analysis. | ||
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I was hoping with the preamble you made; the content would be more than "iamp" and "cc" | ||
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On September 28 2013 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Which side are you on Mocsta? The same side you know I am on. | ||
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On September 28 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really think iamp and CCare scum, i wanna see if you can find that out too. Mark my words on D4. Are you reading the thread? | ||
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On September 28 2013 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: cc iamp stutters cephiro pandabearguy VE. A couple of other contenders if i am wrong on someone. On September 26 2013 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LoneMeow (13): Mattchew, So if we look pre-fake claim. Mattchew, Mr.CC, VE, Coag, OO, Pandain, Cephrio, Stutters & Post-fake claim. Mocsta, iamp, Mr.CC, VE, deconduo, Umasi, Pandain, Zaragon 5/6 scum voting one person, pre-fake claim. Yeah... im going with a no here. | ||
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On September 28 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look at actions, not WIFOM. Explain me the actions of iamp + pandain then. | ||
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On September 29 2013 09:21 Mattchew wrote: I dont think ceph is scum, but im stupid, so ill remain stupid Voting stutters Premonition? | ||
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Zaragon My first scum game, where I hammered a townie last minute day1 End post should contain qt links . | ||
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On September 29 2013 12:08 Umasi wrote: awesome, believe in marv and he shall deliver. I think we should lynch mocsta tomorrow what has marv got to do with lynching me? He was never pushing me as a primary lynch. This is pretty fucking scummy to do. Explain NAIO! | ||
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What do you make of Umasi and his reluctance to add any iota of value to this thread? | ||
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Why aren't you making any posts like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897¤tpage=43#849 Thats from 24hrs ago in the first 24hrs of a game, and this game with over 100hrs played, you have not delivered a single post to this quality. | ||
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On September 29 2013 12:47 Umasi wrote: believe in marv and he shall deliver referring to cephiro. lynch you 100% because of policy imo. (policy referring to your retarded doctor fakeclaim) so is actually the scum team then. | ||
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On September 29 2013 12:35 Mocsta wrote: @Pandain Why aren't you making any posts like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897¤tpage=43#849 Thats from 24hrs ago in the first 24hrs of a game, and this game with over 100hrs played, you have not delivered a single post to this quality. | ||
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On September 29 2013 19:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe you tell us why he is scum from his posts in this game. Koshi, fuck off. I didnt call him scum. | ||
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On September 29 2013 19:20 Koshi wrote: Pandain filter for Golden Sun. Big word posts, no meta. He was town. If you are interested Mocsta. Why are you cock blocking. Let the guy answer the question himself. OO thinks Im destructive as town, well the same can be said for you. | ||
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On September 29 2013 19:28 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure we both know you aren't destructive as town. ?? You have played two games with me where I replaced in. You don't know me. People never trust me in games. Because when Im town I suspect everyone. Ironically when I'm scum, I play safer and choose my battles, and guess what. People don't suspect me as much. Whatever, you are just like Yamato. Mocsta is scum, BECAUSE.... well.. hes scum Just stop it... either man up and make a case against me; or stop cutting me off from getting information to the thread. The worse thing is, as shit as my town cred is in this game, I am still a prob better NK then a bunch of players left here. That is what is truly embarrassing. | ||
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its unacceptable how the past 72hrs has gone. all you are doing is letting scum blend in, and/or control the thread. with cephiro flipped scum, shutters still comes out looking bad. he is a good lynch for tomorrow. VE ids another lynch that I can endorse. he has just been trolling the thread all game, and clearly doesn't give a shit. town VE may play bad occasionally, but he's always trying. those are my two recommendations for lynch d4. in the piece of shit pile for further interrogation are raynpelikoneet, firmtofu, Mr.cc don't let rayn buddying Marv on cephiro be a town indicator. cephiro was a goon. and rayn has done fuck all in 72hrs. basically, once Marv died, so did his activity. null reads that need to step it up are ppl like sentinel, pandain, deconduo, umasi scum still have 3 nk, because its rounded up.. good luck and pls step up the activity, there's are very few ppl coming across as a strong town read - myself included. | ||
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On September 30 2013 09:57 deconduo wrote: My brain isn't working, so can you explain why Koshi is town. He hasn't done anything scummy, but nothing screams town at me from what he's said so far either. he's town cos he still has a presence. basically scumhave no reason to post unless pressured. which is how most town are acting currently. therefore, koshis attempt to keep campaigning actively for a lynch, is townie by virtue. I wish he posted actual logic, buy its still more effort than 90% of the thread. | ||
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zaragon is expected based on his rb behaviour umasi, I am shocked with, that actually works in our favour mattchew again is interesting. I suspect a blure snipe, as risen from memory was saying that mattchew was playing like a blue its important to note that ve, rayn, myself were not shot. we are the 3 more experienced players left, so interesting outcome. personally I was also expecting kitamin to be shot as a fresh replacement. I think we need to lynch out of this group. I want to see kitamin reads that he promised and never delivered. I still want pandain to answer my question. going to a wedding function, so will be back in say half a day. | ||
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On September 30 2013 11:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Scummy, not scum necesarrily. Like 4th on the list as it were. Is Malongo still in the game or has he been modkilled yet? he was modkilled as vt BTW I agree on stutters as a safe bet, but I think ve needs to go this cycle | ||
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why the fuck would I kill him? he was never voting for Mr. take those stupid votes off me NOW, koshi and firmtofu. I don't understand why geript flip wqss not revealed. I am willing to believe he was town. his case on risen was actually pretty solid. the vote today should be between risen, ve and stutters. my preference is VE [b]##vote: viscera eyes [ b] | ||
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Regardless, the fact remains. MattChew was adamant I was town:
If I was on the scum team, there is *ZERO* benefit to killing him. THAT IS FACT. ---> No WIFOM involved. Geript's case on Risen was pretty good and portrays several inconsistencies in Risen play. Unlike "GameOfThrones" mafia, this game, Risen feels very in control of his actions. Whereas in GameOfThrones, where Risen was town; he was so crazy, he was too scum to be scum. This is a marked difference in play. This boils down to, I am comfortable with a lynch on the following people: VE, Stutters, Risen and could seriously consider Raynpelikoneet. I'm still concerned with Pandain and the love/attention he is giving to thug life; and the lack of shits he is giving for this game. That does not necessarily make him scum, but it makes me uneasy to give him a town read. My vote is on VisceraEyes because out of the above three, he is the best player by far. Again, Kitamin, we really need those reads from you | ||
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On September 30 2013 19:19 Koshi wrote: I also believe CC is town now, and you and rayn were pushing him so silly... While you and rayn have been off this game. Pff. You see where I am atm? How can I not see you as scum? Yeah, i can get why you think I was scum. I'm having a bad game. That is not deniable in the slightest But at least I am still trying; which is a butt-ton more than 90% of people left in this game. But as I keep saying to you; if you think I am scum, make a case. I mean, regarding VE.. this is his case on me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=232#4632 This is so weak, how is this guy town? All he has done is trumpet to lynch me, based on that pittance? By the way, it was already refuted here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=233#4659 Again, this guy *is* scum. Had a terrible Day1, and since then has done completely ZERO. Scum for sure. | ||
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On September 30 2013 19:19 Koshi wrote: I also believe CC is town now, and you and rayn were pushing him so silly... While you and rayn have been off this game. Pff. You see where I am atm? How can I not see you as scum? I actually had what I thought was sound reasoning for pushing Mr.CC. And based on my streams, I had a town read on him until some issues regarding Lone/Cephiro arose. His defense read quite genuine, and was enough for me to take what he was saying at face value. Perhaps Iamp was right, and there was some confirmation bias; but regardless. When I was pushing it, it was with the same conviction I was pushing Mattchew --> and guess what, both Mr.CC and Mattchew who I have pushed, both still thought I was town post-push. | ||
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On September 30 2013 19:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Goddammit geript... Guess we should lynch Mocsta, he's responsible for the day we lost after all... ##Vote: Mocsta Right.. and are you trying to win the game; or policy lynch. You can policy lynch me, and when I flip town.. then what? There have already been two VT modkills; do you really want a third? Start playing the game Sentinel. | ||
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scum still have 3 NK. Because NK is rounded up. It is paramount to lynch a second scum to reduce NK to 2. | ||
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On September 30 2013 22:10 Pandain wrote: Rayn where have you been Stop ignoring me On September 29 2013 12:35 Mocsta wrote: @Pandain Why aren't you making any posts like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897¤tpage=43#849 Thats from 24hrs ago in the first 24hrs of a game, and this game with over 100hrs played, you have not delivered a single post to this quality. | ||
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sigh I actually liked his I amperfection case as well. gonna filter him soon. stutters again is useless and comes in for some omgus. can easily vote him. ##unvote | ||
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On October 01 2013 09:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I could just get modkilled like everyone else in this game and prove it What a change in stance lol. So, is iamperfection scum? | ||
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On October 01 2013 09:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Everyone who died wanted to kill Mocsta. If not for the redcheck on VE, I would have wanted to kill Mocsta. Mocsta is scum. This is eerily reminding me of nomination mafia. I.e. your sudden about turn regarding my alignment. You have multiple posts stating I am town pre fake claim, and post case on you. Now it's all down the toilet lol. Thing is, with ve the mislynch dead in the water, scum now have to do a big play to keep kp at 3 Nk. And Ur reaction is befitting of that. I'm halfway through iamp filter but will deal with you when I am back. Lastly again. Mattchew was firm I was town throughout the whole game. So your statement quoted above is patently false. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=iamperfection&view=all + Show Spoiler +
Iamperfection *is* scum. (1) iamperfection doesnt scum hunt or follow through with his reads He creates a bunch of scum reads in a list post; but never pursues them to further divine/strengthen their alignment. When he pressures random people in the thread, many of his posts are rhetorical and again, serve no purpose to divine the targets alignment. Again, in his list posts, he has individuals like risen/deconduo as null->leaning soft town. Yet, as soon as those individuals do something suspicious; he is all over them like white on rice. As above: rhetorical questions, or calling out "stupid actions" but not explaining the scum motivation behind it. There is no scum hunting in his filter. Just calling out bad play. (2) The LoneMeow Lynch (a) Kept on trying to suggest that Cephiro would be modkilled for inactivity which is clearly false; and whilst doing this, avoids responding to marv case (whilst being present at/near the time it was unleashed) (b) Gives some sort of reasoning for calling LoneMeow bad town in his list post; zero reason for suggesting Cephiro is town. (In fact suggests Cephiro is leaning scum) (c) Its odd how much he jumps all over Deconduo was voting Cephiro (giving the leaning scum read). If he thinks it is suspicious to vote Cephiro for bad reasoning, then he must think Cephiro is town. [Because if he thougth Cephiro was scum, and Deconduo was bussing; his vote would already be on Cephiro!] Fine... so if he thinks Cephiro is town... why isnt he putting more effort into pondering LoneMeow? Which leads into the LM claim (d) Instantly assumes it is fake; which suggests he did NOT have a town read on LoneMeow. Again, why no vote his way until the claim? Further, his story keeps changing tune as he explains it to yamato, post-lynch. He says he read the filter first, then thought LoneMeow was lying. Clearly, iamp called him a liar first, then 2min later supported it with filter context (i.e. didnt directly indicate he thought yamato was town) As mentioned before, if iamp was aware of lonemeow filter prior, to be suspicious of lonemeow... why wasnt he trying to lead a lynch that way? His actions are not lining up. (e) THen you have the outcome, where he calls Sentinel scum for believing the claim -- which is funny, because I believed the claim originally as well and was not considered scum. More inconsistencies. (3) His town read on Mr.CC (a) When he broke down my Mr.CC case, I should have read my case to refresh my memory, because on re-read. iamp didnt actually break down the case at all. I said (1)"You refused to vote cephiro last cycle, and even challenged others who wanted to vote cephiro" (2) mr.cc reaction to lonemeow doctor claim, does not align with how he handles the mocsta doctor fake-claim (3) day 3 votes due to sheeping. The only thing iamp addressed was "even challenged otehrs who wanted to vote cephiro" This looks very bad for Mr.CC; because this "defense" was one of iamperfections more substantiated posts, suggesting a lot of effort was put in. This also ties in with Mr.CC cop claim today. (4) Thread sentiment scum reads After giving Stutters a town read, in both his list posts. Now he is conforming with thread sentiment and willing to lynch Stutters (without any justification). Has also flipflopped his VE several times which conveniently tie in with thread sentiment. Again, no justification. Zaragon JustAnotherTownie Stutters695 Mr.Cheesecake | ||
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On October 01 2013 10:49 kitaman27 wrote: As I mentioned earlier, WaveofShadow, Zaragon, Umasi, and Mattchew all mentioned FT as one of their mafia suspects before their deaths. All three players that died last night wanted to kill him. These kills were strange enough that I think it is likely that they were picked out for their reads. On day one, FT is clearly around and reading the thread at the start of the game, yet he fails to provide a lynch candidate. He appears to be afk towards the end of the day and never votes, so I'll chalk this up as a null tell. Once night two starts, he comes out with the trademark "large post that says absolutely nothing". Apparently addressing the vig situation really means "I'm going to list 10 different players you could consider shooting based on activity". It really shouldn't taken this much time for him to essentially tell us that he is fine with a third of the game getting shot. He later posts his read on Zaragon and tells the vig to shoot him. If this was his scum read, then why did he just spend the last fifteen minutes with his list post? Throughout the game, he produces several half-hearted cases against players, but he never actually goes after his targets. There is a limited amount of interaction with the players he suspects. A lot of the time, he asks others to ask him questions, rather than contribution on topics that he finds important on his own. This post is a really generic soft defend. He doesn't want to commit to a town read on Ceph, so he states that he is fine with a vig shot, yet wouldn't lynch him. This allows him to vote elsewhere later on in the cycle. This is the scummiest post in his filter. I'm lost count of the number of times a scum player shows up after the lynch only to yell at town for something they showed no interest in preventing. He criticizes town for the LoneMeow lynch. The problem? He hasn't defended LoneMeow all game. He voted Umasi, a player who had no chance of getting lynched and essentially went afk again when the lynch was being decided. I gave him a pass for doing it on day one, but this is now two days in a row where he has displayed his apathy for the lynch. When he performs his post lynch analysis, he still never acknowledges that cephiro is scum. So if he is frustrated about town going "full retard", how could he think it was a terrible lynch if the alternative wasn't incredibly scummy in his opinion? On day three, he votes geript, but makes this post about Cephiro. Who exactly is he trying to convince? The vote is clearly going to be a blow out. Despite not being able to see scum motivation from Mocsta, he has a revelation post flip and notices the connection. Is this honestly something that he wouldn't consider beforehand? There is a pretty apologetic theme from most of his posts and there are several points where he seems more interested in defending himself or making himself look good with unnaturally worded posts, rather than pushing his prefered mafia lynch. I'm not sure if there is anyone in this game that actually has a town read on FT, which generally points to mafia. ##Vote: FirmTofu Agree with a lot of this. I can get down on a FT vote; like Cephiro, he is a bunch of failed promises to deliver content (but then does not). This also ties in with iamperfection giving him a hard town read in his first list post out of no where. My pool of players I am very happy to lynch; {Stutters,iamp, Mr.CC, FirmTofu} Players I think that need consideration; {Risen, Pandain, Rayn} I am uncertain of Risen, based on iamperfection pushing him when Cephiro/LoneMeow was up in the air. I think it is unlikely to bus Risen to save Cephiro; so my *association* read is that Risen is town. (Which sux, cos Geript case looked good). The Rayn read is more based on inactivity, and I have yet to stream him. He is certainly my lowest priority out of that group. The most important thing is to lynch scum and reduce that KP down to 2 for the night cycle. So now is the time to start consolidating a vote. ##Vote: FirmTofu | ||
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On October 01 2013 12:41 kitaman27 wrote: Why post the case explaining that iamp is scum if you're just going to sheep my case 3 minutes later? Consolidating is a sketchy reason when there is 1 vote a piece. Between the two, do you have a preference? Regarding iamp, i posted that straight into the thread and then caught up and saw your post. I still think that There is 4 scum within {Stutters, iamp, Mr.CC, FirmTofu} so in reality, it doesnt really matter who is voted, as long as we consolidate. As for your question, iamperfection or FirmTofu. I would prefer iamperfection. Even though, yes I voted FirmTofu to consolidate. | ||
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On October 01 2013 13:06 FirmTofu wrote: Just ask me whatever and I'll respond as best I can. In the meantime, I'm going to go through the filters and decide who I want to lynch. Are u going to mount a defense against kita case? | ||
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I thought kita points were far from general and pertained directly to motive and mindset. I look forward to your retort to the case. | ||
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I'm going to have to give this some thought. Ft Please comment in cc cop claim And Risen | ||
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In your opinion. Is kitamin misguided town using heuristics or scum looking to mislynch off "generalities" | ||
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(1) On September 30 2013 16:22 FirmTofu wrote: This thread is such a mess. I'm glad Cephiro flipped scum. It provides the Mocsta motivation for vote switching last minute as scum. ##vote: Mocsta Next post will have thoughts incoming. (2) On October 01 2013 13:12 FirmTofu wrote: ##unvote What changed? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=FirmTofu&view=all Stream of Consciousness: FirmTofu + Show Spoiler +
FirmTofu *is* scum. Without doubt, and is my preference for this lynch. His filter is 100% accurate when discussing town in compromised situations ( Geript early game, VE early game, Mocsta mid game) and yet most of his scum reads have been proven wrong (Geript, Umasi, Zaragon). Further, all his cases have a common underlying theme. They are based on apathy. Which is a fancy word for lurker lynching. He nitpicks lines in a quote, and uses that to substantiate his cases to feel liek they are more than their worth. His cases actually don't delve into scum motivation, but rather attack poor play. For someone who apparently tried to "trap" DP by commenting falsely intentionally; you do expect more from his cases. Then you have issues such as (1) His instant knowledge I was town post medic-claim as scum would never do that; yet later votes me for no founded reason. (2) His inconsistency that DP was scum for being defensive; and then called him town for being defensive (apparently a trap) (3) Barely comments on Cephiro, and has wasted votes throughout the thread. & like Cephiro, keeps promising to deliver content, but then takes forever to produce it (if he does) (4) But the biggest issue is how he handled the Geript town/vig situation. He called Geript town for the DP exchange, yet never noticed Geript kept claiming vig. Then FirmTofu says that he skimmed the exchange.. But if he did, there is no tangible reason he could have got a town read off Geript. Massive scum slip; and Geript called him out on it prior (but his town cred was so low, it was hard to make sense of the situation). FirmTofu is certainly scum. Once he is flipped, we can make better sense of his interactions with Pandain, which do not read natural/congruent to all his other thread interactions. Zaragon JustAnotherTownie Stutters695 Mr.Cheesecake IAmPerfection | ||
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Tofu nitpicking deconduo is the exact type of crap I'm talking about. Looking for poor play, there is no suggestion to why it is optimal scum play. Just a blanket statement that it is optimal... Well if it's so optimal you wouldn't have picked up on it with no expanded reasoning. Am always awaiting that risen read lol | ||
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On October 01 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like FT lynch. I don't like Mocsta lynch either. What i do like is: ##Unvote: ##Vote: iamperfection He is not looking like his townie self, at all, in this game. Despite being replaced he has caught up as can be seen from his first reads post. After that post he has been really absent, asking people's read on him and shit. Then there is his horrible analysis fron D2 votes. That's completely wrong and iamp is not that wrong as town. He is scum. OK, I don't have a problem with iamp But I want to know why FT isn't a good lynch. Especially given then points I made. | ||
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On October 01 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: His answers are reasonable, especially to what kita said. Your point against his acuracy/inaccuracy in reads is non alignment indicative. Both town/scum can have accurate/inaccurate reads. His cases are always like that, especially as town. FirmTofu is far more confindent as scum than he is as town. Your points (2) and (4) are good Mocsta. That's something he needs to explain. Other than that, i don't think he is scum (having played with him a lot as him being scum/town). And why is (1) not an issue? The inaccuracy is not an issue in isolation; but that was not the crux of what I stated. My issue arose from his accuracy of reads on TOWN people that did suspicion actions and the lack of justification on those reads. Nobody except FT thought Geript was town early game. Fact is, if you thought point (4) was solid, then the inaccuracy point holds, because how can he have a town read on Geript and miss such an important part of the DP/Geript conversation. And do you think it is acceptable for a firmtofu to base all his scumreads on "apathy'"? Do you think FT case he made on you (rayn) is acceptable? It was also based on apathy? | ||
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On October 01 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: His answers are reasonable, especially to what kita said. By the way, I disagree to that. But it is up to Kita to pursue further. I still dont think the case was generic. | ||
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This is FT reaction immediately after my fake-claim. On September 26 2013 13:48 FirmTofu wrote: I'm pretty disappointed that I couldn't make the deadline today. You guys went full retard. Never go full retard. I just skimmed the thread on my phone so I'm gonna do a full read through and do some analysis. Mocsta is town btw. Scum would never do what he just did. Which is then reenforced to VE. On September 27 2013 13:04 FirmTofu wrote: He has a *Clear* town read on me.@VE If you truly believe Mocsta is scum, what exactly do you think his motivation for going full retard near lynch time was? Why does scum Mocsta do all that shit? Then we get this post out of the blue once VE modkills (the mislynch of the day) On September 30 2013 16:22 FirmTofu wrote: This thread is such a mess. I'm glad Cephiro flipped scum. It provides the Mocsta motivation for vote switching last minute as scum. ##vote: Mocsta Next post will have thoughts incoming. It is clear there is o consistency - similar to his DP early game read. and INB4: Him saying he was trying to setup a trap is not acceptable Rayn in this circumstance. FirmTofu has been caught with his pants down. | ||
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This is FTs original read on you. On September 23 2013 19:47 FirmTofu wrote: Look how wishy-washy this is. He even goes out of his way to say you are playing the standard town rayn; and then tries to shit over that with a completely unjustified "deliberately tailoring his play to get us to think exactly that". How bullshit is that? Hes making unfounded insinuations. and letting you connect the pieces together; which is scum motive 101.I'm null on rayn. There are some things he's done that I liked, but there is also a great absence of things that he could have done that he hasn't done. For rayn, he is posting in unnaturally low quantities. When that happens, rayn usually flips scum. However, in this game, rayn has been actively pursuing reads like he usually does as town. I remember a few exchanges he's had with a few people that made me think he was standard town rayn. Of course, he could be deliberately tailoring his play to get us to think exactly that. I'm still hazy on his alignment. This is his case that you are reading as "genuinely believes i am scum" On September 26 2013 17:18 FirmTofu wrote: Hes nitpicking poor/bad play; but no where in his case does he claim why it is scum motivated.Scum: Raynpelikoneet: Rayn has been hopelessly complacent and apathetic this game. Town rayn is NEVER like this. Just look at these posts... Since when does rayn ask others whether or not he should do something? He claims apathy. What kind of townie claims to be apathetic? There are a lot more, but I don't have the patience to quote and post everything at this time of night. I'll get to it in the morning. All he does is insinuate that townies will not claim to be apathetic? REALLY? I KNOW AND HAVE PLAYED WITH PLENTY.. INCLUDING BUTT-TONS THIS GAME | ||
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Essentially, there is zero certainty where the lynch is going to end up when I wake up. On October 01 2013 23:07 Mocsta wrote: Right now, JAT vote is useless on VE, and along with Sentinel/Coag; it is unclear where they will place their vote.Coagulation (0): - Mr. CC (1): - Mocsta (3): - VE (1): - Risen (1): - Iamperfection (1): - VE, Rayn Stutters695 (1): - Pandain, ObviousOne (0): - FirmTofu (4): - Kitamin, Mocsta, ObviousOne, Koshi Deconduo (1): - FirmTofu I assume VE vote does not count on iamperfection. We need to consolidate. There are 5 scum, and the biggest vote lead is 4 votes. This is a major problem. | ||
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On October 01 2013 23:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I would prefer if you had said the content was good.The only saving grace for Mocsta being town is that he's so damn active. & Why is your vote on me again? If Stutters is 100%, shouldnt you be tallying his vote count to (2)?? | ||
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On October 01 2013 23:58 justanothertownie wrote: This is going to be hard. Mocsta are you still there? If yes, how long? I have to find out if I want to lynch you or one of FT, Stutters and iamp. Too many options... Yes i am here. Dunno how long. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote: It isn't just the first post. It's the first post rolling into the second I meant to post. I'm not saying iamp is town, I have a null read on him because I think he might know too much and that's why his reads feel good. This is me saying he shouldn't be the lynch today because a scum member (if he's scum) who's going to give us knowledge backed reads with cases is someone I would like to keep around. If he's alive past tonight I'll be shocked. I'd kill him if I was scum. Or I'd kill me. I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game). If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum. Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler). You are an absolute moron. I made a case on Stutters days ago. But, of course its bussing even though the things I wrote are the exact same problems you all have with him now. Fucken imbecile you are. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:11 kitaman27 wrote: As an aside: Does this not mean something for Deconduo alignment?My biggest issue with iamp is his actions during day two and I definitely think he is mafia. iamp clearly has a double-standard at the end of the day two lynch. Earlier in the cycle, he mentioned that he doesn't have a preference between the two and that he has decided to sheep marv because he trusts his judgement. While ceph does return before the deadline, he doesn't post anything of value, stating that he would be open to a deconduo switch, which wasn't happening. He votes LoneMeow because he is really the only choice to save himself. + Show Spoiler + On September 26 2013 10:47 iamperfection wrote: lone your obviously here if all your going to do is vote and afk i will kill you. However, when Lone actually does show up, he attacks him for the Cephiro vote. When LoneMeow comes up with the Doctor claim, iamp immediately distrusts his claim. LoneMeow is claiming Doctor when he is not even leading the lynch and a multi-vote swap would be necessary, like I pointed out earlier. Notice how he decides LoneMeow is lying even before he looks back through the filter to see if there is any mention of yamato. He has made his decision ahead of looking for evidence. He refuses to consider the alternative that LoneMeow could be telling the truth and never provides an explanation of why he would lie in this situation if he didn't need the votes to survive. I think a town iamp wouldn't be so suddenly decisive on a situation he was so wishy washy for most of the day. He seems to have something to gain on day two, by pushing the last minute swing so strongly. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote: The thing about Mocsta that worries me is that he is so open to any of the other lynch candidates. Anything that will save him from biting the bullet seems to be fine with him. Why is that a problem? I am not a serious lynch candidate; no one has even made a case other than VE. Do you think the way I have been following up on my reads is scum-like? Do you think what I pushed to Rayn about FT was bullshit made up on the spot, or nitpicking to find flaws in bad play? And why would town want to be mislynched? Either alignment wants to be saved from the noose. Frankly, kitamin/oberyn, i expected a bit more common sense coming from you. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:18 kitaman27 wrote: FT > iamp > Mocsta > Stutters > deconduo is my current preference out of the top five. I would be pretty happy with either of the top two though. You know what is completely retarded about this? On October 02 2013 00:11 kitaman27 wrote: Notice how he decides LoneMeow is lying even before he looks back through the filter to see if there is any mention of yamato. He has made his decision ahead of looking for evidence. He refuses to consider the alternative that LoneMeow could be telling the truth and never provides an explanation of why he would lie in this situation if he didn't need the votes to survive. I think a town iamp wouldn't be so suddenly decisive on a situation he was so wishy washy for most of the day. He seems to have something to gain on day two, by pushing the last minute swing so strongly. Applies directly to me -> I believed the doc claim initially until others cast out irregularities. Yet iamp is scum for the action above; and I am scum for the OPPOSITE of the action above. Thats retarded. And if you are too lazy to filter dive. On September 26 2013 10:51 Mocsta wrote: This is such a poorly timed claim. You werent going to be lynched, as you had a 2 vote lead.. hence you needed 3 new votes. now your dead end of night.. well done. On September 26 2013 10:52 Mocsta wrote: I believed the claim, quite clearly.Its real Its why i said hes goign to get shot (or RB'd is prob wiser) in the end, hes completely useless VT now.. it wasnt required. After iamp/CC comment about the yamato thing, i check it myself. On September 26 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote: I had already taken issue publicly with LoneMeow not voting Cephiro, and had heavy suspicion on Geript. That led to the big play AS TOWN.Yep, jsut checked lone filter. no yamato + he was against chairman lynch (which yam was proposing) so we have a problem houston + he questions cephiro for lurking, yet wouldnt vote him prior. ##vote: lonemeow[/b geript vote on cepphiro is a major problem. [B]On September 26 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote: So iamp and me both scum right? LOL....OK. I DOC'D YAM everyone, pile onto lonemeow. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:21 kitaman27 wrote: It's not that my problem is that you would support another lynch candidate, it's that you would support every other lynch candidate. I'm still not sure enough on you that I'd want to lynch you over FT though. Or how about, I have made cases on Stutters, iamp, FT that I think are all solid. The case I made on CC, i still hold some reservations over and would have to give him a re-read to consider voting. My concern is to drop KP to 2; and am clearly getting zero traction in the thread. I recognise this, which is why I am more than comfortable lynching between my top three. I have been pretty damn transparent about this. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:26 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not following you Mocsta, are you saying iamp is a good lynch or bad one? iamp is a good lynch. Im saying its ridiculous to consider me in that group; when a tell that makes iamp scum, is completely applicable for me being town. | ||
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Im gonna head off soon. I thought there was something you wanted to ask me? Worse comes to worse, I will answer when I wake up. Please send through whatever you had in mind. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:46 justanothertownie wrote: What I wanted to know was basically answered by now. The other reason was your vote which will be on FT now I guess? You don't come back before the lynch or do you? I am back about 1 to 2 hrs before deadline, but of course have to catch up on thread. I am leaving my vote on FT, as I don't want him to ignore my case and then AFK for 24hrs. FT or iamp > Stutters: is my preference. I have some concern about Stutters but dont have to time to double check it pre-lynch. Namely, (1) Kita raised a good point about inactive Stutters, really could be either. He is that useless. (2) IIRC, my scum reads have called Stutters scummy.. now, it could be distancing/bussing.. but with a KP on the line, I find this unlikely. I need to double check what iamp/FT/risen have said about stutters --> and there is no way I can get this done before lynch deadline. Therefore, I have enough doubt cast to prioritse Iamp > Stutters. There is no way iamp is town. + Show Spoiler + As an aside, I am one of the few ppl that read iamp as scummy when he is town. I didnt get that feeling this game when he subbed in. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote:I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. /sarcasm: Nice defense..... I'm getting concerned now though, because I know I am town. I also know Geript had a solid case on you; and I dont recall you tearing it down. (Just checked filter, and you definitely didn't respond to it) Yet you parade in here, trying to control the lynch. On September 27 2013 11:33 Risen wrote: Where did your FT read go?After Cephiro, Mocsta, and FT are dead Geript should probably be the next to go. No way a townie tries to do anything to this Cephiro train. On top of this it comes off as a scum Geript trying to nitpick town posts in an attempt to get a mislynch. He saw something he felt he could exploit (he knew marv was town, and he knew marv would flip with the daypost) and is now trying to push it. | ||
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YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED THIS POST. On September 30 2013 11:50 geript wrote: First off, Risen calls out Ceph for bad reasoning which is EASY TO DO as scum on scum. The important difference is how he follows up. He's not interested in pressuring him. He's not interested in trying to throw the "public town eye" further towards him. He doesn't do shit about it. Instavote and insta switch. Again SUPER EASY justification to switch his vote off of scum. As town, I don't give a fuck who I vote for; I'll throw my weight around as I want and pressure like a hammer in thread or in vote. Nor do I generally care who the fuck votes for who because it doesn't help me. But one thing I know is that throwing out an odd vote is odd and it's fine to pressure for that but justifying voting for someone who you "don't believe the hype" on and then instaswitch on them just for a weird vote is ridiculously odd and scummy. Next Risen tries to discredit Yam despite the fact that the only way Yam is scum pulling this off is if Coag is also scum. 2 people pulling that type of play as scum is gutsy and stupid and puts you at risk for very little reason. He's not furthering the discussion or pushing a point other than throwing dirt. SCUM SCUM SCUM Mocsta and Sent scum reads come out of nowhere. The Mocsta read is complete bullshit as anyone who's read the OP would fully expect Framers/GF/whatever. Hell, we didn't even fucking know that Vanilla Scum could exist. More importantly, this was at the time when many people were leaning towards on Sent. No anaylsis of him just a generic +1 of a lynch. Bottom line: FT, Moc and Sent are town because Risen is scum and scum never put more than 1 other scum in their list. Why is this phrase necessary? If it's bullshit reasoning Marv should be called on the table for his read and vote/unvote/vote. This phrase is just him trying to not draw attention to himself. "Uhh i'm not calling you scum, I just want to get this clarified without really getting in the discussion." So LeonMeow is scummier for voting for your scum read because of the specific reasons that he gives? Apathy can be a VERY VALID reason for being scum. Yet again, this is just shit flinging on another lynchable player. More bullshit "reasons" for FT to be scum. About an hour apart from each other. FT is scum because he's quiet and absent but Cephiro isnt. He's just trying to push the FT lynch over Ceph without giving himself a backdoor into the Ceph lynch if it becomes favorable. Still pushing FT over Ceph. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:12 justanothertownie wrote: Not sure actually. I think the difference was reading his post interspersed throughout the thread in snippets; vs reading them as a filter dump.Where did the ZEN-like feeling go? | ||
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Yes, I read it. But you can't change what is written in front of it. If Stutters loses traction, I am next. In regards to the comment about writing cases. Thats completely alignment null and further, it is something I have been asking ppl like Koshi to do since forever. I am still waiting for a response to a perfectly good case from Geript | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:20 Risen wrote: Maybe because, when he made that post, he was your top 2 SCUM READ.EBWOP: And I ignored just about everything Geript posted. He's a horrible mafia player, why did you even bother reading anything he wrote? | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote: There is zero defense of me; unless you are referring to me being your #2 scum read, instead of #1. If so, you're still a fucking imbecile.I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game). If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum. Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler). The Geript case is awaiting. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:29 Mocsta wrote: Coagulation (0): - Mr. CC (0): - Mocsta (1): - VE (0): - Risen (0): - Iamperfection (2): - *VE, Rayn, StrongandBig Stutters695 (4): - Pandain, ObviousOne (0): - FirmTofu (4): - Kitamin, Mocsta, ObviousOne, Koshi Deconduo (1): - FirmTofu *I assume VE vote does not count on iamperfection. FirmTofu hit 4 votes first. | ||
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you acknowledged my case on you, and admitted its reasonable for me to consider you scum. is there a reason you haven't dissected the case? | ||
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On September 30 2013 11:27 deconduo wrote: Yeah, very little reason for VE to be alive if he isn't scum, Surprised Kita and Koshi aren't dead either. I went through Deconduo filter to see his last post (to check if he would be getting modkilled). This came 7min after the cycle started; so I suppose he won't be modkilled. My current list Confirmed Town 8: ObviousOne -> No counter claim on RB 15: Coagulation -> No counter claim on vig Probable Town 1: strongandbig 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 29: justanothertownie Null 2: raynpelikoneet -> Really disappointed he didn't push FirmTofu to address my case yesterday. 13: Mr. Cheesecake -> Claims cop and then disappears? 19: [UoN]Sentinel -> Activity is too sporadic to get a feel for where he stands 23: Risen -> Has pushed Stutters in a really town-like way; but I felt he did not address the crux of the Geript case. 30: Mocsta -> I have included myself here, as many seem uncertain of my alignment Scummy to some degree 10: FirmTofu -> Why has he continued to ignore my case? 11: Pandain -> Keeps ignoring me, and then comes out with a last minute vote on Deconduo. Need to filter 14: Decondou -> The vote backflip on Cephiro makes no sense 16: Stutters695 -> Clearly doesn't care about the game, and made a token post 17: iamperfection -> Acknowledged my case as good, but then didn't break it down I am sticking with iamp | ||
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I guess thats why you are meant to refresh before posting haha | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:11 Mocsta wrote: erm.. LOL I guess thats why you are meant to refresh before posting haha Ohh, other game OP. Carry on. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:12 justanothertownie wrote: I'm hurt. OO is confirmed for claiming rb and I'm not. When did you claim RB? I thought it was Zaragon? | ||
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Because like mattchew, you were adamant that I was town, even though pushing you. I just don't get why scum would say that. Its not an ego tell; more so, it pertains to town transparency. My preference for lynch is still FirmTofu, but I doubt I can get traction. So Where do you stand with Stutters695? (Apologies if you have commented, I actually can't remember) | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:13 justanothertownie wrote: wat Was that to me? I thought it went: N1 - OO N2 - No RB claim N3 - Zaragon Where did you get a RB? | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:20 iamperfection wrote: i think stutters is a horrendous player but i said before i think he might actually be town. Fuck me, this is doing my head in. I'm currently reading pandain/deconduo stuff; can you please quote for me where you give your reasoning for stutters being town? And who is your preferred lynch candidate? | ||
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OK, so Zaragon was RB N2. Zaragon was definitely RB'd.. he chucked the shits at me for asking about it. So are you saying you got RB'd N3? --> Cos you haven't actually said yes in any of the back/forth? | ||
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See I dont like this iamp. You are justifying a read on Stutters, by applying the tells of a flipped town to Mr.X (Stutters) I think thats relatively deceitful/fallacious in general. And why is making promises and not following through likely to come from town? Was not Cephiro lynched for that exact reason? Scum and town equally care about image. You need town cred as either alignment to push a lynch. This is *VERY* poor reasoning. You are back on my shit list heavily. | ||
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I will call you confirmed because I had a hard town read on you then + the RB. But as the game progresses, RB means less (as blues may all be gone etc) so its easier for scum to justify RB themselves. N1 there is certainly no benefit to RB scum. Which is why OO is confirmed just off that action. | ||
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Exacerbated by the fact that a mislynch leaves KP at 3. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:31 justanothertownie wrote: Mocsta I don't think Zaragon ever claimed being roleblocked?! Could you give me a quote for this? On September 27 2013 13:35 Zaragon wrote: Thats why when he was shot, I assumed it was a blue snipe.Yep I was trying to find a fun way to say it and see if I could get something out of a reaction, but I really am sleep deprived (and on heavy, fun medication) so I'm not sure if it made sense even in theory | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:30 Pandain wrote: I dont like this.Decondou, as I'll repeat, and I beg you to read my analysis. His meta is not lurking, he is a good contributor. There's an explanation that he doesn't have the time to keep up, but that's counteracted by posts he says which clearly show that he's understanding where the thread is. It is not fitting with his playstyle as an experienced player either to hide in the shadows. I only seem scum motivations. Yam and I specifically said this guy is hard to read. In personality 2, as town he lurked the entire Day cycle and used his janitor powers. Its very hard to know what to expect from someone that would do that.[/quote] I concede that FTs points on his vote flip are highly suspect and I wish he was here to explain himself. He shouldnt be voted today without a chance to do that though. No one has shared a reason why decondou is town because there is no reason. There is only a scum mindset and thus only a scum play. He is most suspicious out of everyone and I would like people to not just follow a bad bandwagon on iamp, and instead lynch who they think is most likely to be scum. And I hope I have shown it is decondou. If I recall correctly, marv suggested he could be town basd on how he entered the game and didnt realise yamato was confirmed town.He was then relegated to null based on how he handled the cephiro lynch. I just cant believe that with 5 scum in the game; your best lynch is the one who is not present to explain himself further? If you are right, this to me just feels like a bus. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:33 iamperfection wrote: Your train only picked up steam when I went to bed last night.so im preventing a lynch on stutters to secure my own lynch lol Your defense of Stutters I believe came at a time, when your neck was not on the block. So the comment is invalid and misleading. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:35 Risen wrote: I didn't know scum could not roleblock someone and/or roleblock someone they were killing and then claim rb Thats why I said, as the game progresses; the RB doesnt make someone confirmed town. My read on JAT is independant of the RB. I wish he was more forthcoming with his reads at this stage in the game; but he hasn't done anything to make me doubt my read. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:38 Pandain wrote: I assume this is to me.I'm going to ask that if I offended you I'm sorry, it isn't out of personal rage and instead just indicative of how I feel in this game. I don't want to lose and I know I've found scum. Thats not the point. You have found scum, perhaps, but the person is not here and there is a lot on the line this cycle. Dropping to 2 KP is paramount. If Dec is scum; there are 4 others left. This just feels like a cop out at this pivotal time. Nothing to do with being offended. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:42 Pandain wrote: I just read decondou in personality two. He lived for two days. In his time he posted way more then he has here, so I think, plainly put, you're wrong and/or exagerrating what he did. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=deconduo&view=all Note he also got killed night two. So no, in regards to his meta not being lurker. How does this prove anything? I shot him lol. Wait, personality 2 must be the wrong game as I was scum. I shot him as town.. Boardwalk Empire (PICK Your Power) is the game I am talking about. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:42 Pandain wrote: Thats Personality1 from 2011... for fucks sake...I just read decondou in personality two. He lived for two days. In his time he posted way more then he has here, so I think, plainly put, you're wrong and/or exagerrating what he did. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=deconduo&view=all Note he also got killed night two. So no, in regards to his meta not being lurker. How does this prove anything? | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:45 Pandain wrote: But I feel he is most likely and am urging you to vote with me if you think he's scum. I have already shared why I disagree with you about iamp being scum, why would I switch to him? I could switch to Stutters, what about you? Or back to FT? But definitely iamp is not the lynch, at least for today. With 10min left, i am not vote swapping. If iamp *is* town; can't afford it to be another useless lynch because everyone swaps at the last minute. Just going to have to accept the decision, and fingers crossed its a red flip. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:46 Risen wrote: Are you fucking serious?Mocsta has OO confirmed town in his list, I say something along the lines of RB claiming not making someone confirmed town, Mocsta says yeah RBs don't make someone conf town, OO on his conf town list, disconnect does not compute Out of everything in the thread, this is what you go on about? On October 02 2013 09:30 Mocsta wrote: I will call you confirmed because I had a hard town read on you then + the RB. But as the game progresses, RB means less (as blues may all be gone etc) so its easier for scum to justify RB themselves. N1 there is certainly no benefit to RB scum. Which is why OO is confirmed just off that action. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:47 Pandain wrote: Look at Boardwalk http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=deconduo&view=all Then look at here and see the difference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=deconduo&view=all Thats true. Immediately clear. Too late for a vote swap regardless, but he is certainly a safe lynch next cycle. | ||
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Has an unusual reaction to the medic claim & His filter contains no scum hunting (unlike boardwalk empire) The signs heavily suggest he is scum. I want to hear from people I trust first like Kita/JAT before considering a vote swap. My main concern is where do we go from here next cycle? Deconduo is clearly doing nothing, so if scum were in a situation where they are losing a member no matter what this cycle.. Deconduo is certianly the most expendable. So i am looking to the aftermath of this lynch, and the aftermath of the night kills. Thoughts? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:01 Pandain wrote: Mocsta, what do you think now? I would like it if iamp took the reminaing 50mins, and deconstructed my case. Im struggling to remove myself from it. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:03 Pandain wrote: Do you think he's more likely mafia then iamp? At this point, not sure. iamp has some things that can be attributed to town. That is certain. Theres also a variety of inconsistencies and lack of transparency (in my opinion as per outlined in my case). Whereas, with Deconduo I do not see redeeming features; however, I am uncertian on the motive behind the lynch. You are a complete unknown entity to me pandain; so you can appreciate that trust between you and I is hard to generate. Especially when in the same post as casing Deconduo, you suggest that Stutters/iamp are town. (who the thread is set on) and that FT is lynchable (who the thread is NOT set on)... Yes, I am concerned. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:11 Pandain wrote: As an aside.I made several points why iamp is town. He also has responded. Here is the only thing you said to me: I then stated: And you never further responded and even ignored my other points. I think you are pushing a bad lynch and need to reconsider if you're town. Deconduo called Mattchew town for saying WoS should be medic'd. Now pandain is calling iamp town for saying Marv should be medic'd The syllogism is: If Deconduo is scum; for observing the medic tell as town. Pandain is scum; for observing the medic tell as town. Thats my case | ||
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I dont think Kita is scum. In 'The Game" Kita was capable of making large massive cases as scum; but used those big rare posts to hide his activity behind. This game, he is pursuing his reads and maintaining a presence. I also don't disagree with what he has been proposing. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:17 justanothertownie wrote: Does anyone really want to tell me this is a convincing defense of Mocstas case? I didnt. Further, if that was his true response to the case; I don't see how he can think it came from a town mocsta. (cue insult of mocsta being terrible from Risen). Seriously, every game I play with town iamp; I think he is scum when everyone else thinks he is IC. As town he rubs me the wrong way for whatever reason. I'm not getting that at all this game. Seems to be more careful about stepping on toes I suppose. I dont think its anything to do with being a replacement; cos a town iamp is still there to get the job done regardless of whether he was there day1 or not. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:22 Pandain wrote: Drop it. Yam was the clearest town read in the game Day1; and marv is a safe asset to suggest medic'ing every game regardless of alignment.It wasn't just protect ___,___, yam, marv ___, ___, __. It was protect Yamato AND marv and THOSE are the people. Maybe he suggested it for the right reasons. But it is equally plausible it is just a generic spiel. You have no way to prove otherwise. Drop it. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:23 iamperfection wrote: do you know what happened the last time i replaced in a big game moc? Nope? What game/filter? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:25 Pandain wrote: Stop and think oh my god. Why would a mafia member tell medics who to protect. Holy shit. To fit in; since town are going to do it. HOLY SHIT ! WOW BATMAN SCUM WANT TO BLEND IN OMG #YOLO | ||
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On September 25 2013 09:08 iamperfection wrote: is cephiro in the game or did he get replaced? From my stream: This post is interesting. Is it light distancing from scum; or is it being unsure of whether Cephrio is still in the game? I am leaning towards #1; because, Cephiro filter wasn't asking for replacements and he was still posting enough to meet the posting requirements. Further: (1) Marv made a case on Cephiro to be lynched about 20 pages earlier. Not only that, but iamp first post came around the same time, marv made the Cephiro post. (2) iamp saw fit to comment on Yamato being confirmed town, so is cleraly aware of how the thread has progressed. The other issue is that he raises this criteria of inactivity, but doesnt comment on his position on Cephiro and why it matters he is raising the inactivity !! thats pretty scummy as well. | ||
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For the third of fourth time. On September 29 2013 12:35 Mocsta wrote: @Pandain Why aren't you making any posts like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897¤tpage=43#849 Thats from 24hrs ago in the first 24hrs of a game, and this game with over 100hrs played, you have not delivered a single post to this quality. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:31 Pandain wrote: Then a vote swap can happen and he stalls. Uh huh. So explain the scum motivation behind that decision; and specifically, explain why it CAN NOT be town motivated. Consider: On October 02 2013 10:02 Mocsta wrote: I can agree Deconduo has very suspect actions relating to the Cephiro lynch (backflips on Geript -> Cephiro) Has an unusual reaction to the medic claim & His filter contains no scum hunting (unlike boardwalk empire) The signs heavily suggest he is scum. I want to hear from people I trust first like Kita/JAT before considering a vote swap. My main concern is where do we go from here next cycle? Deconduo is clearly doing nothing, so if scum were in a situation where they are losing a member no matter what this cycle.. Deconduo is certianly the most expendable. So i am looking to the aftermath of this lynch, and the aftermath of the night kills. Thoughts? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:34 Pandain wrote: And yet, you are pointing out statements; thus, not answering the question with pertains to motivations.You literally said decondou is a safe lynch and clearly different from his town play and agree he's not contributing at all and has no redeeming features. Meanwhile iamp is inherently iffy because THERE ARE QUALITIES WHICH MKAE HIM TOWN. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:36 Risen wrote: I would switch to decon if there weren't so many scummy people on him. Isn't he about to get modkilled? He will only get modkilled if he doesnt vote, I assume; as he made one post within the first 7minutes of thsi cycle. Will Deconduo be modkilled for not voting? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:33 Pandain wrote: Don't talk about outside games. And I actually already addressed this. If you did, I can't find it; and I just had a quick check of your filter as well. Seriously.. how the fuck can firmtofu not be present? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:37 Pandain wrote: The question was specifically identify why there is zero chance of town motivation.Here is easy scum motivation I see: Decondou is scum. Iamp is town, you then say "Oh shit decondou is a good lynch but it's too late". Then you realize that there is still time left and you stall and say "I want to hear from other people first" besides thinking for yourself. I still plenty of scum motivation there, because decondou is scum. Anyone can construe something as scummy. Now is your chance to prove why I can't be town. GOGOOGOG | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:41 Pandain wrote: Well I already provided justification to why I wouldnt instantly do it.There's not zero chance, anyone can be completely retarded. But I got the impression from you that you would be willing to go to a decondou lynch IF THERE WAS MROE TIME. You said it was too late for a vote switch . Then there is and you delay. Is there a town reasoning? Yeah. Is it likely? No Its odd you continually choose to ignore it. You are still a massive question mark. Its still unclear why you had to wait 4hrs before the lynch to come into the thread and make a presence. | ||
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I woulda thought as a mislynch; there would be final words including a final set of reads. This is pretty indicative for a player of his quality. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:45 Pandain wrote: Thats such a classic scum line.Pushed VE before, then he got modkilled. Then it was like 6 hours ago and I brought forward after thinking why decondou is more likely. Don't try to throw suspicion on me when you're clearly more suspicious. Btw, how am I suspcious? On September 27 2013 07:19 Pandain wrote: I'm actually going to say Mocsta shouldn't be vig'd at all. I think he's town. I'll explain later. Also On October 02 2013 04:01 Pandain wrote: I think Iamp is town and you guys are over-exagerrating. Being doubtful of a medic claim isn't that scum-like, in fact I would think that scum would instantly bandwagon for mocsta to try and gain town cred. He has been posting good reads and contributing. He is one of the few players I have a town read on and it would be retarded to lynch him. Again another town read on me; yet now suspicious for not agreeing with you? Thats suspect as fuck. But what I want to know is, you have commented on a scenario for identifying scum. (i.e. would instantly bandwagon me for town cred). What is the outcome of this analysis? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:48 Pandain wrote: This town is awful I have no respect for many of you, with flawed reasoning you are going to lynch a highly probable town. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. I actually would not be surprised currently if iamp is town; deconduo and pandain is scum. And pandain has been trying to bus a useless deconduo to gain town cred; and somehow it backfired massively. ##Big Plays 2013 Yes, that would be highly embarrassing. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:51 Pandain wrote: If you think I would try and lynch a teammate decondou this hard you are utterly hopeless and should quit this game. Conveniently I am not scum for introducing such "wild" concepts. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:51 iamperfection wrote: pandain has to be town or he didn't think about this lynch logically as scum. Well, what I have wanted to know all cycle since pandain gave yout he town read. Is whether you thought he gave you the town read for the RIGHT reasons. Im kinda surprised this was neglected by you. When im in the fire, and someone gives me a town read against all odds; I inspect the reasoning pretty close. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I am ok with killing Stutters because he scum. I am okay with killing iamp because he scum. I don't believe dec is scum. That is all I have to say, I'm on page 292 and probably should arrive here by the end of the day. ermmm.. wow.. I would love to hear that one. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:56 iamperfection wrote: Can you please explain the sentinel read in a bit more detail.no hes obviosuly town he would have no reason to defend me from my pov. i know im town and a mislynch here is all but gg no re | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:59 deconduo wrote: Hey guys, sorry for the inactivity, will explain later. ##Vote iamperfection Motherfucker.. 1min before lynch. | ||
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On October 02 2013 11:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: class is running late, voting is closed. I will post when I can unless solstice gets to it first. Sorry guys Can't you just post without flavour, and then edit it in later? We just want to know the flip; to know whether this game needs to be forfeited or not. Im fuckn over this. | ||
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Prob sent. No idea for fifth. Maybe oo Fuck I hate this game. This is way worse than personality2. | ||
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Risen. I'm not scum and at this point. I could modkill to prove. I'm completely over this game. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:27 Pandain wrote: Here's my guess: Mocsta and decondou, Rayn and SnB, and possibly/probably stutters. I'm not scum. Rayn looks terrible Snb not sure. I still think Dp was town. Almost everyone looks terrible. Only diff between sentinel and Dec vote wise is sent came in 5min earlier. Dec had to know deadline. Otherwise he woulda missed original deadline... That's the final nail for him. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:42 Pandain wrote: You lynched a doctor and didn't vote decondou despite clearly indicating that you would. Had no good reason to switch and said you were suspicious of him. There are too many contradictions for me to believe you are town. Go fuck yourself if u r not going to read my filter I explained why I did not want to vote him yet. Do u want a medal for being right on iamp. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:51 justanothertownie wrote: Gut says rayn, koshi, sentinel, stutters and maybe deconduo... Yeah, thats where I'm at currently too. No way Deconduo is town with a 45s vote. Like I said before, the vote was postponed an hour; so he was coherent with the thread enough to delay his vote. FFS, like that should almost be ban-able because he was setting himself up to be modkilled. | ||
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I thought the deadline was 10:00am my time; whereas today it was 11:00am? Im totally clusterfucked with all this. | ||
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1: DarthPunk strongandbig 2: raynpelikoneet 6: Kitamin 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier Decondou 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 19: [UoN]Sentinel 23: Risen 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta There is 15 players so (10-5). Assuming 3 NK go through. 7-5 (after lynch 7-4 -> 2NK) 5-4 (after lynch 5-3 -> 2NK as rounded up) 3-3 Game over. So yeah, medic or vig would be alive normally. What I suspect is that the host derped majorly, and this game is over. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:06 Pandain wrote: So if we have a vig, shoot decondou. All agreed? Yeah; hopefully the RB doesnt get the vig. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:45 ObviousOne wrote: AM I YOUR ENDGAME MOCSTA? WAS THAT A SCUM CLAIM FROM YOU? Yeah. U got me hook, line and vca | ||
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How did I turn green? I was in the 50/50 group before. | ||
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Not hell. Yeah I had a bad game. But at least I'm not a cunt like risen. | ||
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On October 02 2013 16:08 Koshi wrote: Bit sad that iamp wasn't scum. But that's life. hi scum. just had an epiphany. you have done absolutely nothing all game. like literally. that's my case, go suck on that. | ||
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get over yourself. no one is getting double stacked. makes it harder for scum to win. I am coming to the same conclusion with firmtofu as well. his deconduo case was for the right reasons, and a bus was not required. agree on Dec then stutters then rayn. for last two I would consider sentinel, koshi and kitamin. I'm not sure why I'm leaving Mr.cc out of that. will be easier pending night kills to discern. | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:19 Koshi wrote: Well out of those 3 it must be sentinel. Like, this morning I was so upset with the iamp lynch that I almost start doubting the modconfirmed townie. But it's just impossible. Whose modconfirmed townie? I wasn't sure who JAT was referencing when he mentioned it either. | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:46 justanothertownie wrote: I see him as town too but that's because of his play. He would be the absolute tryhard scum. Yeah, I had a town read on Kush pre-replacement & Whilst he was wrong on iamp (like the rest of us) that doesnt make him scum necessarily. This game is fucked up; and lots of town have just got AFK allowing scum to hide (like Rayn). So I can see it being hard even for a replacement. As for the host WIFOM; if you want to be technical, Kush asked for a replacement PRE-NIGHT 2. I think MZ can easily say, Kita is within reason based on that (and given what he did with the Day1 lynch of FT vs Chair) I expect no less from him. | ||
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On October 03 2013 04:05 Stutters695 wrote: To illustrate his clearly not town mindset regarding yesterday. On October 03 2013 03:29 Pandain wrote: What are you trying to accomplish with that post Stutters I must be a dumb fuck.. because I do not see any correlation between what you posted; and what you quoted. | ||
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I want to know specifically, whether he did anything more than VCA? | ||
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Cso this game you have hid behind VCA the entire time. sigh, i dont even know why im asking questions. Fuck thsi shit. peace out. | ||
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the #s on the VCA don't even make sense, and the outcome is not consistent with the # score. for me, the only thing u have going for u is the night 1 rb, and u asked us to ignore that. so I'm left with nothing. I.e, zero scum hunting | ||
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the butt hurt feels real though. | ||
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Out of everything in the threead. There is banter on one fucking line. Just kill me so I can concentrate on work | ||
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It suggests 3 things. 1. They thought cc was medic/vig and lying about cop. 2. There's more goons than we think, I.e. can't rely on gf or framer to trick cop Or 3. Cc is lying and scum rb him to keep up rouse. Not sure how much sense 3. Makes given the risk/reward. | ||
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What is your current take on the game? I thought you were meant to be more proactive as the game went by? | ||
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maybe that's the key to victory... I'm gonna be so pissed if there is no medic/vig, and the hosts just derping with us now. so fucking pissed | ||
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On October 03 2013 20:03 deconduo wrote: LOlSave WoS night 1, Marv night 2 , Koshi night 3, Mr. CC night 4. Only sent in the WoS save to MZ cos I had just replaced in, and so that didn't go through. Marv was doublestacked. Might as well just call it a game now as I'm going to be RB'd tonight anyway. If you are the actual medic.. this is worse than my fake claim. + the reaction from my fake claim doesn't make sense. Why would there be 3 town medics. Thats retarded. Especially as a vig was already confirmed. Then we get onto, why you would even medic Koshi.. when you said he wasnt scummy, but wasn't townie. | ||
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On October 03 2013 20:03 deconduo wrote: Save WoS night 1, Marv night 2 , Koshi night 3, Mr. CC night 4. Only sent in the WoS save to MZ cos I had just replaced in, and so that didn't go through. Marv was doublestacked. Might as well just call it a game now as I'm going to be RB'd tonight anyway. BTW, deconduo I learnt a big lesson a long time ago, which I forgot, and was then reminded about post-LoneMeow. Town claims, tend to come off-the-cuff, and often make no sense -> exactly what you DON'T expect from a claim Scum fake-claims, tend to be methodical and driven with proof -> exactly what you DO expect from a claim. If it wasn't clear, I am suggesting that you fit with the former, not the latter. | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:06 deconduo wrote: Well I could be a VT trying to draw roleblocks away from our real medic. yeah, and I could be have played a good game as well. thnx for ignoring the part where I query why koshi would even be a good save. and cc yesterday was terrible. esp that u are aware an rb exists. | ||
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I can't take it anymore. I medic d yam night one. which is why I counter claimed in the first place. I medic'd JAT because he was 'd the previous night. I hoped scum would return to finish him. anyways, kill me and fuck this game. | ||
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but then I realised we both made a case on iamp, so weren't good assets | ||
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dof course I'm the fucking medic.. just lynch Deco, then kill me and finish this game I can't modkill after got, so this is the closest its going to be. night, see ya in 36 | ||
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Everyone has put sentinel as their top3 scum. Why not just vote sentinel as a consolidated vote? | ||
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Who do u think is the best lynch? | ||
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On October 04 2013 11:04 justanothertownie wrote: Who do YOU think is the best lynch? I don't want to lynch coag, you, cc or kitamin or pandain. Out of the rest I am more than happy to lynch rayn or sentinel or stutters with no regret. Deconduo I have to think about. The timing of everything is just so damn suspect but I don't care enough anymore to figure out what it means. I would go with sentinel as safest bet. | ||
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Before the claim I would instantly lynch.. the only reason I have reservation is due to coag. Dunno why I hold his opinion valuable though. Fact is. My vote hasn't moved | ||
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I am starting to consider Koshi as my favourite lynch. This guy has done nothing all game except *yell* that Me or Rayn is scum. I dunno why i thought Koshi was townish before, perhaps because he was loud.. but hes not actually saying anything. Reminds me of him in sicilian actually. I also dont recall a single post where he has outlined reasons for someone being scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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2: raynpelikoneet 6: Kitamin 7: Koshi 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier Decondou 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 19: [UoN]Sentinel 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta The worse thing about the entire list above, is that no one gives a shit @ all anymore. Scum don't have to do anything to blend in I guess on the other hand, we are relying on a medic save; so its not like further analysis is actually going to help us. We want to do JUST enough to ensure we lynch scum; and hope to god the medic isn't shot//a save is made. Had a bit more of a think on how to proceed. Below are my current thoughts on ppl. Vague as fuck, cos, I dont see the point in filter diving. + Show Spoiler [Thoughts] + 2: raynpelikoneet I don't buy his excuse for not contributing, cos I know he Started off good.. but since marv died, hes done sweet fuck all. Is apathy alignment indicative? Nope, but the only thing I can recall Rayn doing is pushing Cephiro and then resting on his laurels to do sweet fuck all. I'm happy with his lynch 6: Kitamin I dont get how he can think I am scum, when a lot of his stuff for suggesting lynches has paralleled with my own thoughts? But whatever, I would like him to probe around more coming in as a fresh replacement, but hes probably one of the top 3 for trying right now. I don't consider him scummy at all, and perhaps replacing into a game like this is tough. Sticking with town. 7: Koshi This guy has done nothing all game except *yell* that Me or Rayn is scum. I dunno why i thought Koshi was townish before, perhaps because he was loud.. but hes not actually saying anything. Reminds me of him in sicilian actually. Im pretty sure this guy is scum. I dont recall a single post where he has outlined reasons for someone being scum. I also like this as a double team with Rayn, because of the lack of real pushing. I think both just made weak meta cases on each other and yelled - => but never really campaigned. 10: FirmTofu AFK again.. FFS. Hes a coin flip right now I think. *IF* Deconduo is scum, FT should be town. I personally think that if FT was lynched, Deconduo would still be on the table, so its not like you can say that FT making a case on Deconduo was a distancing attempt. Really wish he would come back, but I am not considering him for now. 11: Pandain Seemed to give a shit about the lynch yesterday, in a towny way. Will treat him as town. Dunno if he AFK'n cos just wants Deconduo over n done with. Probably 13: Mr. Cheesecake I haven't re-read the cop claim, and dont give a shit enough to until more scum are done. Will give benefit of the doubt// a green for now; but really wish he would post. Probably should be automatic town for how he was in sync with me + iamp for the lonemeow lynch in some regards. 14: Xzavier Decondou I dunno what to think anymore about this. It hurts my head. Im not sure if the risk is worth the reward. As scum he could fake-claim as RB or <other role> just to preserve KP. I would rather deal with him when the scum #'s have reduced and motivation for the game picks up enough to re-evaluate his response during the loneMeow lynch. At face value though, if I had to take a punt for my life, I would bet RED; too much of the claim just seems convenient. 15: Coagulation No counter claim. 16: Stutters695 More failed promises. Guy might be lynchbait as town; but i dont think he has had a solid opinino on the game at all. He hasn't even commented on whether his scum read on Kush remains post-Kita replacing in. My problem is that Rayn & Deconduo are voting for this guy. OMG. what to do?? 19: [UoN]Sentinel I dunno what to think. Day1 he def played like shit. Day2 I didnt like the explanations; but someone felt it made him town.. pandain from memory? I can't even trust my reads anymore, been playing so bad. I want to lynch him, but feel its on the basis of lurking rather than being scummy. 29: justanothertownie Hes prob town and im just taking it personal so making him null. Im getting sick of him just tunneling me as scummy; but asks nothing out of his own mind. He doesn't share any thoughts or anything and just seems to be hiding until addressed. If I didnt give him a green on the stream, I would prob call him red based on the above. At this stage, really needs to be more proactive I feel. 30: Mocsta Yeah OK, im having a bad game. Scum have no incentive to shoot me as I have zero town cred and my decisions are terrible.Still. im fucking here, open and constantly saying whats on my mind. Seriously.. when the rest of the game is lurking as hard as they are, and my activity has been this consistent throughout the whole game.. ffs.. i can only be town. 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On October 04 2013 16:10 deconduo wrote: It was a combination of bad timing and not thinking things through. Basically I got back much later than I intended and it was ~20min to the lynch. I saw that iamp was getting lynched and I didn't want to draw any attention to myself in case I somehow managed to swing a last minute vote to me. Keep in mind if I was lynched yesterday we would have lost on the spot. Anyway I was 99% sure iamp was scum, so I figured I'd hammer him at the last minute, no problems there. He flips town, oh shit gg. Lol.. so instead. you apparently out yourself now, so we lose after wasting another 48hrs of our lives.... GTFO | ||
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On October 04 2013 16:17 Koshi wrote: My towniness comes from putting my vote on the right people (xcept iamp), and not doing insanely anti town shit. Sure, I am not making groundbreaking cases. But that's really the only thing lacking. ?? [Courtesy of OO] ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MwtAECb.png) Did you forget you voted Chairman Ray? Well I just checked final tally and you actually voted FirmTofu. [Not sure what OO did there] http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19813104 So lemme guess, scum slip that FirmTofu and you are buds lol... | ||
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Otherwise, scum can do a last mintue vote-swap a la Deconduo and win outright from mislynch. Deconduo: (4) Stutters: (3)Deconduo, Raynpelikoneet, Mr.CC, Koshi: (1) Mocsta Not Voting: FirmTofu, Coagulation, [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Deconduo I love how Koshi has my identical scum team, but just swaps Him for me. Fucking retard if town.. but its OK, because hes scum. | ||
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On October 04 2013 23:09 kitaman27 wrote: Still need CC's vote to make me feel safe about preventing any last minute shenanigans. And Coag. I really cant believe FT is AFK.. I know hes fucking posting in his other game. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:14 Stutters695 wrote: This is quite an about-turn.With Mocsta being town I've got Rayn on my scum list Where you not purporting i was scum yesterday. Deconduo then Stutters. | ||
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On October 05 2013 07:33 Coagulation wrote: I hope firmtofu dies before the game ends tho. I dont care if we win or lose I just want to see him get dropped like hes hot. Agreed Ban that guy from OMGUS lol | ||
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useless fuck.. we was caught as soon as he didnt post at the start of the game. | ||
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On October 05 2013 08:42 Pandain wrote: me? you literally think I'm mafia? The only guy trying to stave a lynch off a townie and lynch decondou/stutters? And I have been asking to consolidate on Deconduo. Yet you post bullshit about me being mafia. GTFO pandain. | ||
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On October 05 2013 08:57 Pandain wrote: My vote is on decondou lol You are such an annoying cunt, its not funny. You are much worse than Risen. | ||
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On October 05 2013 10:25 Stutters695 wrote: That was before you said you're really a medic. And I can totally see you claiming medic then not then actually being medic and either way I'd believe you over Decon. Don't see what the issue is. This is so twisted. "And I can totally see you claiming medic then not then actually being medic " ?? Before I was scum for that, now town. Whatevz. | ||
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Its the hosts.. this is ridiculous. | ||
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On October 05 2013 12:21 justanothertownie wrote: Kita... really? ... This effort was not needed. Mocsta we need to talk sometime. I basically had a redcheck on you so I obviously didn't trust you (sorry)... I still would like to know how you could have a townread on me so early. I also would like to know the setup especially how many framers existed. Why the fuck did deconduo claim and why did he play the way he did if he was doc. I don't get it. Sorry if I don't make sense right now I am really drunk.. Talk about what? I had a blue read on you, i actually thought you were the medic. If you want to know why i thought you were town, read my stream. | ||
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On October 05 2013 12:30 justanothertownie wrote: I wasn't the medic. I was parity cop. Checked you N1 OO N2 got "different" got roleblocked N3 and checked snb N4 got "same". This is basically a redcheck on you since both other players flipped green. So I didn't trust you although you played really townie, sorry. Yeah, I read your stream but I still don't really get a townread on me that early. Seemed really suspicious to me. I don't hold it against you. Just need to realise there was potential for framers this game; so checks werent 100% reliable. You couldn't let go, and that was obvious in the thread. I thought it was pig-head stubborness, but cop check is perfectly valid. Why town read? Because of your reluctance to share thoughts. You were secretive but genuinely wanted to know about others. In a nutshell. Anyways, thats enough from me. I had an absolutely terrible game. Scum played OK i won't take that from them. But town really did play terrible - me included. The amount of AFK was just bullshit; its always a shame when scum make 2 posts in a cycle and thats considered being more active than a majority of town. | ||
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On October 05 2013 12:44 geript wrote: Really... You replaced scum in after you mod killed town... Not cool That + The whole bullshit about Scum Goons, which weren't even on the OP. Thats just fucked up shit. Thats the last im going to say on the matter. Simplest thing to do is not play with MZ again. Lurks as a player; and lurks more as a host. I appreciate the effort that goes into hosting.. but when players have to regularly wait 30-60min for flips AND on top of that have to do their own vote counts AND then the Day1 lynch is miscounted.. yeah.. its frustrating. Town woulda still lost most likley if Firm Tofu was lynched Day1, but guess we shall never know. | ||
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First post in the scum QT from Kush. i thought there were no goons? im rb That just shows how bullshit this was... i dunno what the real definition of bastard hosting is. but this counts for me. | ||
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