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On October 02 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:N3.
I will call you confirmed because I had a hard town read on you then + the RB.
But as the game progresses, RB means less (as blues may all be gone etc) so its easier for scum to justify RB themselves.
N1 there is certainly no benefit to RB scum. Which is why OO is confirmed just off that action.
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On October 02 2013 09:30 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:28 Mocsta wrote:On October 02 2013 09:23 iamperfection wrote:On October 02 2013 03:15 iamperfection wrote:On October 02 2013 03:03 Risen wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Stutters is the coinflip here. He looks bad for voting LM but at least he is consistent because he voted him Day1 and Day2. Apart from that no information to be had. You're disregarding the post you yourself pointed out to me earlier. It's not a coin flip, he has played scummy this game, and he's managed to do it in a filter as short as his is. Decon has done that too! i have been thinking about stutter more and i think he may just turn into a mislynch. his play is kind of sucidal as scum just in the way grepit did with his shenanigans. Making promises and not following through while horrible would be more likely to come from town than scum. Scum care more about image than town. unfortunate but it is what it is. See I dont like this iamp. You are justifying a read on Stutters, by applying the tells of a flipped town to Mr.X (Stutters) I think thats relatively deceitful/fallacious in general. And why is making promises and not following through likely to come from town? Was not Cephiro lynched for that exact reason? Scum and town equally care about image. You need town cred as either alignment to push a lynch. This is *VERY* poor reasoning. You are back on my shit list heavily. whats scummy about it Whats scummy about it; is that you are cockblocking a lynch on Stutters for extremely trivial reasons.
Exacerbated by the fact that a mislynch leaves KP at 3.
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On October 02 2013 09:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Mocsta I don't think Zaragon ever claimed being roleblocked?! Could you give me a quote for this?
On September 27 2013 13:35 Zaragon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:31 Mocsta wrote:On September 27 2013 13:25 Zaragon wrote:On September 27 2013 11:42 Mocsta wrote:
Who was roleblocked? Trying to knee-jerk a role to come out, throwing himself on the bullet for Cephiro since he's suspicious himself already and expect to get lynched? Maybe I'm just sleep-deprived, it could definitely be flawed logic. Anyway, see you tomorrow guys What? ObivousOne was roleblocked yesterday. Surely someone would be RB'd today? Why does asking about an RB suggest I am scum? seriously dude? Let me guess, you were RB'd; and took my question to the thread personally? Yep I was trying to find a fun way to say it and see if I could get something out of a reaction, but I really am sleep deprived (and on heavy, fun medication) so I'm not sure if it made sense even in theory Thats why when he was shot, I assumed it was a blue snipe.
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On October 02 2013 09:30 Pandain wrote:
Decondou, as I'll repeat, and I beg you to read my analysis. His meta is not lurking, he is a good contributor. There's an explanation that he doesn't have the time to keep up, but that's counteracted by posts he says which clearly show that he's understanding where the thread is. It is not fitting with his playstyle as an experienced player either to hide in the shadows. I only seem scum motivations. I dont like this.
Yam and I specifically said this guy is hard to read. In personality 2, as town he lurked the entire Day cycle and used his janitor powers. Its very hard to know what to expect from someone that would do that.[/quote]
I concede that FTs points on his vote flip are highly suspect and I wish he was here to explain himself. He shouldnt be voted today without a chance to do that though.
No one has shared a reason why decondou is town because there is no reason. There is only a scum mindset and thus only a scum play. He is most suspicious out of everyone and I would like people to not just follow a bad bandwagon on iamp, and instead lynch who they think is most likely to be scum. And I hope I have shown it is decondou. If I recall correctly, marv suggested he could be town basd on how he entered the game and didnt realise yamato was confirmed town.
He was then relegated to null based on how he handled the cephiro lynch.
I just cant believe that with 5 scum in the game; your best lynch is the one who is not present to explain himself further?
If you are right, this to me just feels like a bus.
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On October 02 2013 09:33 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:32 Mocsta wrote:On October 02 2013 09:30 iamperfection wrote:On October 02 2013 09:28 Mocsta wrote:On October 02 2013 09:23 iamperfection wrote:On October 02 2013 03:15 iamperfection wrote:On October 02 2013 03:03 Risen wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Stutters is the coinflip here. He looks bad for voting LM but at least he is consistent because he voted him Day1 and Day2. Apart from that no information to be had. You're disregarding the post you yourself pointed out to me earlier. It's not a coin flip, he has played scummy this game, and he's managed to do it in a filter as short as his is. Decon has done that too! i have been thinking about stutter more and i think he may just turn into a mislynch. his play is kind of sucidal as scum just in the way grepit did with his shenanigans. Making promises and not following through while horrible would be more likely to come from town than scum. Scum care more about image than town. unfortunate but it is what it is. See I dont like this iamp. You are justifying a read on Stutters, by applying the tells of a flipped town to Mr.X (Stutters) I think thats relatively deceitful/fallacious in general. And why is making promises and not following through likely to come from town? Was not Cephiro lynched for that exact reason? Scum and town equally care about image. You need town cred as either alignment to push a lynch. This is *VERY* poor reasoning. You are back on my shit list heavily. whats scummy about it Whats scummy about it; is that you are cockblocking a lynch on Stutters for extremely trivial reasons. Exacerbated by the fact that a mislynch leaves KP at 3. so im preventing a lynch on stutters to secure my own lynch lol Your train only picked up steam when I went to bed last night.
Your defense of Stutters I believe came at a time, when your neck was not on the block. So the comment is invalid and misleading.
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On October 02 2013 09:35 Risen wrote:
I didn't know scum could not roleblock someone and/or roleblock someone they were killing and then claim rb
Thats why I said, as the game progresses; the RB doesnt make someone confirmed town.
My read on JAT is independant of the RB.
I wish he was more forthcoming with his reads at this stage in the game; but he hasn't done anything to make me doubt my read.
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On October 02 2013 09:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm going to ask that if I offended you I'm sorry, it isn't out of personal rage and instead just indicative of how I feel in this game. I don't want to lose and I know I've found scum. I assume this is to me.
Thats not the point.
You have found scum, perhaps, but the person is not here and there is a lot on the line this cycle.
Dropping to 2 KP is paramount.
If Dec is scum; there are 4 others left.
This just feels like a cop out at this pivotal time. Nothing to do with being offended.
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On October 02 2013 09:42 Pandain wrote:I just read decondou in personality two. He lived for two days. In his time he posted way more then he has here, so I think, plainly put, you're wrong and/or exagerrating what he did. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=deconduo&view=allNote he also got killed night two. So no, in regards to his meta not being lurker. Show nested quote +
If I recall correctly, marv suggested he could be town basd on how he entered the game and didnt realise yamato was confirmed town.
How does this prove anything?
I shot him lol. Wait, personality 2 must be the wrong game as I was scum.
I shot him as town.. Boardwalk Empire (PICK Your Power) is the game I am talking about.
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On October 02 2013 09:42 Pandain wrote:I just read decondou in personality two. He lived for two days. In his time he posted way more then he has here, so I think, plainly put, you're wrong and/or exagerrating what he did. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=deconduo&view=allNote he also got killed night two. So no, in regards to his meta not being lurker. Show nested quote +
If I recall correctly, marv suggested he could be town basd on how he entered the game and didnt realise yamato was confirmed town.
How does this prove anything? Thats Personality1 from 2011... for fucks sake...
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On October 02 2013 09:45 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:43 Mocsta wrote:On October 02 2013 09:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm going to ask that if I offended you I'm sorry, it isn't out of personal rage and instead just indicative of how I feel in this game. I don't want to lose and I know I've found scum. I assume this is to me. Thats not the point. You have found scum, perhaps, but the person is not here and there is a lot on the line this cycle. Dropping to 2 KP is paramount. If Dec is scum; there are 4 others left. This just feels like a cop out at this pivotal time. Nothing to do with being offended. But I feel he is most likely and am urging you to vote with me if you think he's scum. I have already shared why I disagree with you about iamp being scum, why would I switch to him? I could switch to Stutters, what about you? Or back to FT? But definitely iamp is not the lynch, at least for today.
With 10min left, i am not vote swapping. If iamp *is* town; can't afford it to be another useless lynch because everyone swaps at the last minute.
Just going to have to accept the decision, and fingers crossed its a red flip.
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On October 02 2013 09:46 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:44 justanothertownie wrote:On October 02 2013 09:43 Risen wrote:On October 02 2013 09:10 Mocsta wrote:On September 30 2013 11:27 deconduo wrote:
Yeah, very little reason for VE to be alive if he isn't scum, Surprised Kita and Koshi aren't dead either. I went through Deconduo filter to see his last post (to check if he would be getting modkilled). This came 7min after the cycle started; so I suppose he won't be modkilled.
My current list Confirmed Town8: ObviousOne -> No counter claim on RB 15: Coagulation -> No counter claim on vig Probable Town1: strongandbig 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 29: justanothertownie Null2: raynpelikoneet -> Really disappointed he didn't push FirmTofu to address my case yesterday. 13: Mr. Cheesecake -> Claims cop and then disappears? 19: [UoN]Sentinel -> Activity is too sporadic to get a feel for where he stands 23: Risen -> Has pushed Stutters in a really town-like way; but I felt he did not address the crux of the Geript case. 30: Mocsta -> I have included myself here, as many seem uncertain of my alignment Scummy to some degree10: FirmTofu -> Why has he continued to ignore my case? 11: Pandain -> Keeps ignoring me, and then comes out with a last minute vote on Deconduo. Need to filter 14: Decondou -> The vote backflip on Cephiro makes no sense 16: Stutters695 -> Clearly doesn't care about the game, and made a token post 17: iamperfection -> Acknowledged my case as good, but then didn't break it down
I am sticking with iamp On October 02 2013 09:40 Mocsta wrote:On October 02 2013 09:35 Risen wrote:
I didn't know scum could not roleblock someone and/or roleblock someone they were killing and then claim rb Thats why I said, as the game progresses; the RB doesnt make someone confirmed town. My read on JAT is independant of the RB. I wish he was more forthcoming with his reads at this stage in the game; but he hasn't done anything to make me doubt my read. So, still scummy then... What the hell are you talking about? Mocsta has OO confirmed town in his list, I say something along the lines of RB claiming not making someone confirmed town, Mocsta says yeah RBs don't make someone conf town, OO on his conf town list, disconnect does not compute Are you fucking serious?
Out of everything in the thread, this is what you go on about?
On October 02 2013 09:30 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:On September 30 2013 11:21 justanothertownie wrote:
I was roleblocked. N3. I will call you confirmed because I had a hard town read on you then + the RB. But as the game progresses, RB means less (as blues may all be gone etc) so its easier for scum to justify RB themselves. N1 there is certainly no benefit to RB scum. Which is why OO is confirmed just off that action.
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Thats true.
Immediately clear.
Too late for a vote swap regardless, but he is certainly a safe lynch next cycle.
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I can agree Deconduo has very suspect actions relating to the Cephiro lynch (backflips on Geript -> Cephiro)
Has an unusual reaction to the medic claim
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His filter contains no scum hunting (unlike boardwalk empire)
The signs heavily suggest he is scum.
I want to hear from people I trust first like Kita/JAT before considering a vote swap.
My main concern is where do we go from here next cycle? Deconduo is clearly doing nothing, so if scum were in a situation where they are losing a member no matter what this cycle.. Deconduo is certianly the most expendable.
So i am looking to the aftermath of this lynch, and the aftermath of the night kills.
Thoughts?
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On October 02 2013 10:01 Pandain wrote:
Mocsta, what do you think now?
I would like it if iamp took the reminaing 50mins, and deconstructed my case.
Im struggling to remove myself from it.
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On October 02 2013 10:03 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote:On October 02 2013 10:01 Pandain wrote:
Mocsta, what do you think now? I would like it if iamp took the reminaing 50mins, and deconstructed my case. Im struggling to remove myself from it. Do you think he's more likely mafia then iamp?
At this point, not sure.
iamp has some things that can be attributed to town. That is certain.
Theres also a variety of inconsistencies and lack of transparency (in my opinion as per outlined in my case).
Whereas, with Deconduo I do not see redeeming features; however, I am uncertian on the motive behind the lynch.
You are a complete unknown entity to me pandain; so you can appreciate that trust between you and I is hard to generate.
Especially when in the same post as casing Deconduo, you suggest that Stutters/iamp are town. (who the thread is set on) and that FT is lynchable (who the thread is NOT set on)... Yes, I am concerned.
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On October 02 2013 10:11 Pandain wrote:I made several points why iamp is town. He also has responded. Here is the only thing you said to me: Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:On October 02 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:
The night kill argument also isn't wifom, why tell doctors to protect people who you're going to shoot? The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good. I then stated: Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 05:01 Pandain wrote:On October 02 2013 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:On October 02 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:
The night kill argument also isn't wifom, why tell doctors to protect people who you're going to shoot? The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good. Then why didn't he talk about it later on or use it to defend himself? Thinking about it, mafia could only have double stacked one of them. So even telling medics to protect even one of them risks the chance they protect the one who wasn't double stacked. Doesn't make sense. And yes Risen, I do think Rayn is scum and would be happy to see a lynch of him. And you never further responded and even ignored my other points. I think you are pushing a bad lynch and need to reconsider if you're town. As an aside.
Deconduo called Mattchew town for saying WoS should be medic'd.
Now pandain is calling iamp town for saying Marv should be medic'd
The syllogism is:
If Deconduo is scum; for observing the medic tell as town.
Pandain is scum; for observing the medic tell as town.
Thats my case
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Quit with the ad-homs/insults.
I dont think Kita is scum.
In 'The Game" Kita was capable of making large massive cases as scum; but used those big rare posts to hide his activity behind.
This game, he is pursuing his reads and maintaining a presence. I also don't disagree with what he has been proposing.
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On October 02 2013 10:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 10:11 iamperfection wrote:On October 01 2013 12:26 Mocsta wrote:Stream of consciousness: IAmPerfectionhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=iamperfection&view=all+ Show Spoiler +- opener Pretty weak overall. Reads like a token post; but null overall.
- Some banter around yamato being confirmed town. Null.
- Probing VE This is an odd interaction. iamp "contributing" via yam shot is dandy n all (null); but this this last of questioning to VE is unusual. To me, it serves no purpose, as in, its essentially rhetorical statement.
Ultimately, what is VE meant to say to that?
Usually that type of rhetoric is used when you have a scum read on someone, and are just trying to ad-hom them for funsies. Slight scum lean (for such early usuage, its not even clear if VE is a scum read)
- FT 'case' on Umasi iamp chimes a +1 to FT scum read on Umasi. Now, havinga scum read on a flipped town, doesnt make iamp scum. Lets look at the FT case, and whether it even made sense. I think the points are reasonable enough for questions/pressure + its also something I followed up independantly with Umasi.
What I don't like is iamp +1 and the need to overcompensate by throwing in the "lynching for information". Thats nitpicking, isn't a scum tell (especially BECAUSE rayns quote is not supplied in FT case...) so it really does read as overcompensation. Will give this a scum lean.
- Umasi followup Not sure how to handle this one. Its null to follow up with others on a case/point you believe in. However, what I don't like is that instead of say, what do you think of the issues brought forth on Umasi.. iamp ensures that tofu name is thrown in for "credit". Is this a town guy, that likes to ensure the originator gets full town points; or a scummer trying to backseat and let others take the fall? Will give null, but overall i dont like it.
(As an aside, if FT led with a vote so the Umasi stuff was a case... it woul be OK for iamp to give credit to iamp.. but considering that it was merely a "point" (which iamp also referenced) is what i dont like about it)
- Response 1 and response 2. This might be nitpicking, but the chain looks bad. The first response is completely acceptable. The second response comes in within 1 minute of the first post, and looks like overcompensation.
Basically, he made his first post; realised it was a generic response and tried to buff it up with a trademark iamp-style 1-liner.
The issue being that the trademark 1-liner should have been his natural first response.
I'm giving this a slight scum lean
- Cephiro This post is interesting.
Is it light distancing from scum; or is it being unsure of whether Cephrio is still in the game?
I am leaning towards #1; because, Cephiro filter wasn't asking for replacements and he was still posting enough to meet the posting requirements.
Further:
(1) Marv made a case on Cephiro to be lynched about 20 pages earlier. Not only that, but iamp first post came around the same time, marv made the Cephiro post.
(2) iamp saw fit to comment on Yamato being confirmed town, so is cleraly aware of how the thread has progressed.
The other issue is that he raises this criteria of inactivity, but doesnt comment on his position on Cephiro and why it matters he is raising the inactivity !! thats pretty scummy as well.
- Mattchew Null. The position on mattchew echos thread sentiment, so is meaningless. One thing of note is that iamp feels the need to again overcompensate response by adding "I specifically like his points about his approach to stutters".
Again, my issue is with what is NOT BEING SAID.
If iamp is town:
As Mattchew is a scumread; this implies that Stutters is town. --> Bookmark for iamp list post later on.
If iamp is scum:
Stutters is almost certainly on his team, as this reads as a subtle bus/distance attempt to hedge bets.
- The List Post VE already did a good analysis prior.
Tying in with the above. He gives a bad town read, but its with low confidence. I don't think that is congruent with the above to state that mattchew is scum based on his approach to stutters.
This is pretty scummy.
Not that being wrong makes you scum; but its interesting his scum reads
Sentinel, Geript, zaragon, mattchew, umasi (4 have flipped town). The reasoning is terrible.
The other thing that looks really bad is that he lists Umasi as scum, by riding on the coattails of FTs Umasi POINT.
This is an issue, because just like with VE prior; iamp isnt pressuring anyone, its just rhetorical +1 additions.
- post See like I dont get this in general. Hes made this massive live post with reads; including 5 scum players.. and then questions risen about Firm who he has as a town read. This just doesn't flow for me.
I will give him benefit of the doubt (null) because technically he did ask to be queried.
However, personally, I would be expecting a town iamp to be pushing his reads from teh list post instead.
- post Again, dropping mattchew echos thread sentiment, so its hard to give a lean one-way. Interesting that he now declares Cephero as a 55-60 lynch.
Its interesting because in his list post; he seemed unconfident on the read, but called him scum anyways.
I dont have a problem with this post in question, as a town could write that. My issue is that in his list post he still caved to thread sentiment and called Cephiro scum.
With the context of a Cephiro lynch, this reads as hedging your bets.
- Risen Suggests Risen as a counter-wagon to (vanilla scum Cephiro) -->> Bookmark; if iamp flips scum, this may clear Risen.
His list post is very ambiguous as well in regards to Risen.
- post Null post. I can see both points of view kicking in.
- post Null again, but I hate this type of approach. Doesn't actually state why his "tell" is scum motive indicative.
- post Marv with an excellent piece of deduction that iamp risen appoints equally apply to cephiro. iamp reasoning is quite weak; but his risen points were hinged on GoT meta, so there could be some truth in it. I won't hold this against him. Null.
- Has a bunch of posts pushing Risen as a candidate. Thats consistent as either alignment; will give a slight town lean as he still does this when the thread is dead.
- post See, a post like this I dont like. Even if Cephiro flipped town.. because, its pretty obvious Cephrio was not getting modkilled. I dont mind him stating this *AND* pushing another lynch whole-heartedly, but he does not even re-state his desire to lynch Risen with this post, let alone his prior scum reads.
Its pretty safe to conclude that this is a post designed to give Cephiro breathing space.
- post fair question from marv; fair response (if slightly overdone) from iamp. will give it null.
- post Odd, Risen is right. I dont recall seeing a question for Risen in iamp filter, and I just read it? The question he then proposes to Risen is not even related to why he had a scum read on him? Quite bizairre. If i took a stab, I would say, iamp made this up on the spot; as it ties into what Risen asked him about FT.
- Some banter 2 hrs before lynch.
- post Says here he can do Cephiro or LoneMeow.
TOugh one, his list post is basically a 50/50 read on LoneMeow; seems to throw more bad town reasoning than scum. Overall it appears his read is "null"; whereas with Cephiro he didnt point to a piece of reasoning to support him as town, and had a more leaning read on him (55-60).
I would have imagined, he would be voting Cephiro > LoneMeow based on the context he has released to the thread. But, to say its 50/50 is also fair. Will give this null.
I guess I would expect a town iamp to be more proactive in this situation; and if it was detemrined the lynch was between these two, he would be trying to focus his attentino of discerning between the two from this point onwards.
- Some banter to Koshi about voting Rayn. Then an activity question to Cephiro Null I suppose
post Regardless of Cephiro lynch, this is a fair post to make. I didnt fully understand Deconduo reasoning for voting Cephiro based on that information either. Marking it null, even though its a defense of a scum guy. If anything, this is prob a townier thing to do; because, if Cephrio flipped scum, this looks too blatant a "buddy defense"
- post Fair posts calling me out for trolling. Null, but at least showing signs of taking the lynch seriously.
In context though, Cephiro was close to being lynched, so either alignment had to take it seriously.
- post Not sure how much I like this. I dont think Deconduo is a good flip just based on that action at that point in time. Considering he had reasons to call Lone or Ceph scum; its disconcerting that he tried to jump ships as soon as possible.
post 1
post 2
These two posts are not congruent. Again, recognises that the lynch is too deep to sway from Lone/Ceph; but then requests #'s to confirm if a genuine swing is possible.
- Again pushes Deconduo hmmm, this is quite a swing in read; and smells of desperation.
Yes, I considered a Geript or zaragon lynched; but i actually had reads on them prior that was publicised in the thread. Whether right or wrong; I have consistency.
Iamperfection on the otherhand, gave Deconduo a slight null to town read over nothing; and now disregards two major wagons to insta-vote Deconduo for an odd vote on Cephiro. I'm struggling to see this from a town perspective.
- post I cant fault iamperfection here. I felt the same, and it massively influenced my decision to treat Lone as scum > Cephiro. Still, if town, I dont see how that bias allows him to insta-vote deconduo.
This is evident when in the heat of the moment, i still query the action of chasing deconduo as pointless.
post
- post Banters with VE. Like, I can this during 3/4 of the day cycle. But the last cycle, when the wagons are tight. It shows a distinct lack of care. Hes not actually trying to sway VE towards a wagon; yet is posting?
So what is the contribution?
Pretty scummy I think
- post Another rhetoical queston from Iamperfection. What does this actually achieve? Dunno what to make of this.
- post This seems townie; and aligned with my thoughts at the time to kill Lone. Its prob null though, as scum are looking for reasons to get votes off Cephiro.
- post Calls out the lonemeow claim as lying. Odd, complete opposite reaction to my initial thought. Bad claims are typically town. Clearly I changed my mind later due to the yamato references.
I really dont know what to make of this; he appears to have paid no attention to the filter of lonemeow, yet instantly was aware that yam wasn't a part of it. I know ctrl+f is easy to do, but it was a pretty quick response.
- post Not sure how to interpret the Mr.CC read. (Regardless of the fake claim now) I take issue with this, because my first response was to trust the doc claim. I'm also surprised I wasn't called out for being opposite in mindset BUT CALLS OUT SENTINTEL FOR BEING OPPOSITE IN MINDSET !
Very scummy
- Some banter with Marv afterwards, but its within reason as either alignment.
- post This doesn't align with what i saw. He said he read the filter than disbelieved teh claim. Whereas, its clera that he caleld LoneMeow a liar FIRST, and then substantiated that by checking the filter.
Further, if he was aware of LoneMeow filter prior claim; why did he not take a firmer position on LoneMeow?
This smells funny.
- post This is a GREAT theory for rejecting the doc claim and I would take that as a town tell IF this post was made int he heat of the moment. No where in iamp filter is he trying to deny a counter claim.
Further, again, if he never believed him.. why was he trying to swing the vote away from Lone/Ceph?
Pretty scummy.
- post This I dont understand. What has presence got to do with being a blue? Sounds like bullshit
- post This is patentnly false. I made several statements saying that LoneMeow was going to survive unless a 3+ swing occured.
- post This is an odd reaction to the pressure from yamato/marv. I mean, I do it when ppl are implying im scum; but here, after being pressured about his ations, he tries to cut it off immediately by throwing this out there. i dont like it. Not a massive tell, but also something I think is highly unlikley to come from town.
- post This cover story doesnt make sense. He flat out shat over the claim immediately, AND THEN looked for evidence to suggest otherwise. Like i keep saying, if he was already aware of LoneMeow filter to recognise yam isnt there, he should have had a stronger position on the lynch. So the position that iamp takes, just doesnt line up well.
- post a series of odd interactions with deconduo. What happened to all his other reads? iamp never pressures them at all, and risen wasn't even on his original list? The convo with Deconduo is odd, because hes pointing out actions, but not assigning them a scum motive? It looks like slinging shit, and expecting others to carry the torch.
- list post 2
I dont get the about turn on Umasi.
The scum read on Deconduo is weak
I already explained why sentinel is poor form. (he should consider me scum for the same thing).
Also, all teh stuff he is pointing out are actions; and doesnt explain why its scummy.
- post I also dont like stuff like this. Iamp showed no support to vote Cephiro before; and is now donig a marv +1.
- post I dont get this reaction. OK, he had a town read on FT, so plays nice with him and says read OP.
Yet, before he had a minor town read on otehrs like deconduo/risen, and then instantly flips his read when they do stupid shit which I think is equivalent to what FT did. I dunno, i just dont think this sincere. More of a feel tell though, so will treat it as null.
- post Null post; though I can see some ppl thinking it is town to ask for limelight.
- post Now this is odd. For the first time, (regarding iamp town read on Mr.CC); iamp is takling about scum motivation. Before hes purely attributing actions to calling out people as scum.
- defends CC against my case
So iamp approaches the CC case because i called him out on giving cc a town read. Fair neough.
I shoudla read my case in more detail to assess this defense, but now i re-read it, the points iamp touch on, dont even relate to my case.
I said
(1)"You refused to vote cephirolast cycle, and even challenged others who wanted to vote cephiro"
(2) mr.cc reaction to lonemeow doctor claim, does not align with how he handles the mocsta doctor fake-claim
(3) day 3 votes due to sheeping.
The only thing iamp addressed was "even challenged otehrs who wanted to vote cephiro"
Considering this is one of iamp more substantiated posts; this looks really bad for both iamp and CC
- iamp flipping his lid on vanilla scum flip is null. Scum were already aware town had incorrect info.
- post This is concerning.
Gives me a town read; but hasnt discussed me at all since-post fake claim other than dispute my CC case.
- post Now he calls me stupid, the implication is stupid TOWN... like i said before, i doubted the doc claim just like sentinel did.
Why is sentinel scum, and I am stupid town?
Of course scum want me around for end-game. I have zero cred AND they expect me to keep making the wrong decisions. I am the ideal townie this game to end game with.
Its very odd, that instead of pursuing his scum reads, hes defending 50/50s like me. Very odd.
- town reads Gives two free town reads on Geript + JAT. Weirdly these feel a lot more detailed and honest, then his scum reads, which feel like dot points put together unnaturally. Its a feel tell again. but scum
- post recants his VE read (which conveneinetly aligns with thread sentiment) with no real reasoning.
Again, ties in with stutters, who he had town read on before.. so aligns with thread sentiment
For some reason is adamant against FirmTofu. Not sure how to treat that.
(1) iamperfection doesnt scum hunt or follow through with his reads He creates a bunch of scum reads in a list post; but never pursues them to further divine/strengthen their alignment. When he pressures random people in the thread, many of his posts are rhetorical and again, serve no purpose to divine the targets alignment. Again, in his list posts, he has individuals like risen/deconduo as null->leaning soft town. Yet, as soon as those individuals do something suspicious; he is all over them like white on rice. As above: rhetorical questions, or calling out "stupid actions" but not explaining the scum motivation behind it. There is no scum hunting in his filter. Just calling out bad play. (2) The LoneMeow Lynch (a) Kept on trying to suggest that Cephiro would be modkilled for inactivity which is clearly false; and whilst doing this, avoids responding to marv case (whilst being present at/near the time it was unleashed) (b) Gives some sort of reasoning for calling LoneMeow bad town in his list post; zero reason for suggesting Cephiro is town. (In fact suggests Cephiro is leaning scum) (c) Its odd how much he jumps all over Deconduo was voting Cephiro (giving the leaning scum read). If he thinks it is suspicious to vote Cephiro for bad reasoning, then he must think Cephiro is town. [Because if he thougth Cephiro was scum, and Deconduo was bussing; his vote would already be on Cephiro!] Fine... so if he thinks Cephiro is town... why isnt he putting more effort into pondering LoneMeow? Which leads into the LM claim (d) Instantly assumes it is fake; which suggests he did NOT have a town read on LoneMeow. Again, why no vote his way until the claim? Further, his story keeps changing tune as he explains it to yamato, post-lynch. He says he read the filter first, then thought LoneMeow was lying. Clearly, iamp called him a liar first, then 2min later supported it with filter context (i.e. didnt directly indicate he thought yamato was town) As mentioned before, if iamp was aware of lonemeow filter prior, to be suspicious of lonemeow... why wasnt he trying to lead a lynch that way? His actions are not lining up. (e) THen you have the outcome, where he calls Sentinel scum for believing the claim -- which is funny, because I believed the claim originally as well and was not considered scum. More inconsistencies. (3) His town read on Mr.CC (a) When he broke down my Mr.CC case, I should have read my case to refresh my memory, because on re-read. iamp didnt actually break down the case at all. I said (1)"You refused to vote cephiro last cycle, and even challenged others who wanted to vote cephiro" (2) mr.cc reaction to lonemeow doctor claim, does not align with how he handles the mocsta doctor fake-claim (3) day 3 votes due to sheeping. The only thing iamp addressed was "even challenged otehrs who wanted to vote cephiro" This looks very bad for Mr.CC; because this "defense" was one of iamperfections more substantiated posts, suggesting a lot of effort was put in. This also ties in with Mr.CC cop claim today. (4) Thread sentiment scum reads After giving Stutters a town read, in both his list posts. Now he is conforming with thread sentiment and willing to lynch Stutters (without any justification). Has also flipflopped his VE several times which conveniently tie in with thread sentiment. Again, no justification.
ZaragonJustAnotherTownieStutters695Mr.Cheesecake your i dont push my reads is me just not having great feel for this game replacing in is hard. day 1 is extremely important and you cant get a real feel without being there. At least that's how i feel. the ones i have felt extremly confident ie my town reads i have pushed. your other points are stupid and rely on un flipped players. They also take stuff out of context and rely on the results to prove points rather than looking at my actions as they happpened ie suggesting cephiro might not come back. and ignores the fact that as scum i bus like a mother fucker Does anyone really want to tell me this is a convincing defense of Mocstas case?
I didnt. Further, if that was his true response to the case; I don't see how he can think it came from a town mocsta.
(cue insult of mocsta being terrible from Risen).
Seriously, every game I play with town iamp; I think he is scum when everyone else thinks he is IC. As town he rubs me the wrong way for whatever reason. I'm not getting that at all this game. Seems to be more careful about stepping on toes I suppose. I dont think its anything to do with being a replacement; cos a town iamp is still there to get the job done regardless of whether he was there day1 or not.
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On October 02 2013 10:22 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 10:15 Pandain wrote:On October 02 2013 10:14 kitaman27 wrote:On October 02 2013 10:11 Pandain wrote:I made several points why iamp is town. He also has responded. Here is the only thing you said to me: On October 02 2013 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:On October 02 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:
The night kill argument also isn't wifom, why tell doctors to protect people who you're going to shoot? The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good. I then stated: On October 02 2013 05:01 Pandain wrote:On October 02 2013 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:On October 02 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:
The night kill argument also isn't wifom, why tell doctors to protect people who you're going to shoot? The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good. Then why didn't he talk about it later on or use it to defend himself? Thinking about it, mafia could only have double stacked one of them. So even telling medics to protect even one of them risks the chance they protect the one who wasn't double stacked. Doesn't make sense. That's not a good defense. I've directed the medics as mafia several times into players that I'm going to shoot. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that yamato and marv were good medic targets. Then you're a really bad mafia player because telling town to protect who you're going to shoot seems quite unproductive to me. You also fail to address my other points. It wasn't just protect ___,___, yam, marv ___, ___, __. It was protect Yamato AND marv and THOSE are the people. Drop it. Yam was the clearest town read in the game Day1; and marv is a safe asset to suggest medic'ing every game regardless of alignment.
Maybe he suggested it for the right reasons.
But it is equally plausible it is just a generic spiel.
You have no way to prove otherwise. Drop it.
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On October 02 2013 10:23 iamperfection wrote:
do you know what happened the last time i replaced in a big game moc?
Nope? What game/filter?
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