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On August 03 2013 06:13 Stutters695 wrote:
Hz: why does XRZ give up on the charade? He can ride that for town for days at the expense of sacrificing their RB to keep him "perma-blocked". The only way that plan falls flat is if Clarity flips scum and gives away that they don't have an RB. Saying he faked the check puts himself into major shit and if he flips scum it practically guarantees he bussed Mal to save Cora or FT(probably Cora) and scum is losing three members in four days. It doesn't make sense.
No he can´t because when i die he can´t possibly justify himself being alive because he had a red check and got scum lynched.
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On August 03 2013 06:27 hzflank wrote:
Heck, Exar could of given us a geen check on Rayn ("I wanted to confirm that there were actually 2 cops in this game, guys").
Why did Exar roleblock himself?
What+s the point of hard-confirming me when you can just claim roleblocked?
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How do you justify a check on me when you have already said you think i am most likely town?
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hz do not make these association cases before flip. There is no need to use your energy into that now.
XRZ is our best target today, as he is really really fishy.
If he is town, like half of the town is semi-confirmed.
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On August 03 2013 07:50 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hz do not make these association cases before flip. There is no need to use your energy into that now.
Rayn you've been doing that all game. Don't be hypocritical.
The difference is i don´t use all my energy into them and i only bring them up when i need to justify something.
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On August 03 2013 07:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think if xrz flips town we can figure the game out d4.
They'll probably kill rayn, or I suppose they might just roleblock him when xrz flips town.
Best scenario is if xrz flips roleblocker.
Like, are you assuming that scum cannot have a roleblocker and GF hz? Could you explain your reasoning?
Clarity, there is one cop and one vet (which can´t be blocked).
The setup is already hard as it´s 10 vs 4.
Do you think there is a godfather + roleblocker vs one cop?
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On August 03 2013 08:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
20 pages in 12 hours what is this
rayn happened. :D
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Oats is also confirmed if XRZ is town.
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On August 03 2013 08:14 hzflank wrote:I take it you did not agree with my point on why Exar un-claimed cop, Rayn? 
Yeah i don´t. That´s so far-fetched and Cora is right about that.
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FT why is Clarity scummy if XRZ flips town?
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Yeah there is no reason to waste a roleblock on N1. If XRZ is mafia they probably do not have a roleblocker at all.
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So you are saying exarezee, the same guy who had such big balls to potentially throw away the game if Malongo was town, now has such small balls to not play the game any more when there are votes on him?
Maybe the arguments against him are just so convincing he just gave up.
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You are however right about Koshi being pretty likely mafia. The dude is not bad, hell he just won a big game as SK, and whenever someone calls his bad posts out he goes into insta-defense mode and calls himself bad.
FirmTofu is still really really scummy. His D3 posts make no sense from town pov. He´s basically not thinking about the game from town pov at all, can´t understand why the setup stuff is pretty obvious and makes very odd conclusions about things.
I still think XRZ is most likely to be mafia because of stuff i have said and he is now suddenly willing to throw the game for himself if he is town. If he flips town however that´s not good play from him on D3, at all. It´s terrible.
If that´s the case however JAT has to be the third mafia with Koshi + FT.
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And there you do that again. It´s really hard to believe you are town Koshi. Your last posts are again explaining why you are not mafia and you are not trying to find mafia at all. You are not gonna get lynched today, why are you so eager to defend yourself when there is scum to catch. Hell, you say that yourself at the end of your post and you don´t do anything to accomplish that.
Who do you think is mafia?
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Ver could you explain me why you came into conclusion that my claim + being silenced did not make me town considering this:
1) If i was mafia pardoner i would have totally made one of the best mafia roles useless for my team.
2) I would have used another very strong power (silence) on myself, when i have established a very good PM network with Gumshoe, Oats, and DrH, Vivax, marv (by proxy). Gumshoe has promised to claim his role to me (that one i majorly fucked up, i somehow thought everyone was blue in this game and that it was somehow known :/ ).
I would have wasted 1/3 mafia powers on D1 on something that does not make me confirmed town and definitely does not put my team into better position considering the other options.
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On August 03 2013 23:24 hzflank wrote:
Rayn, How sure are you that Oats is town?
Basically 100%.
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The problem is that i am not sure about Clarity and CJS, and the game becomes pretty easy if i can trust those two guys. I will never forgive myself if the remaining scum is XRZ/Clarity/CJS and i let go of this XRZ lynch today because i really really really think that dude is scum.
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On August 03 2013 23:25 hzflank wrote:
Basically, if Oats is town it makes a lot of sense for him to not want to vote for Exar. Same for Cora.
You think that Oats is town and you have a green check on Cora?
On the other hand it makes little sense for Tofu to be voting for Exar. Tofu does not buy insurance, Tofu buys lottery tickets.
I don´t follow you, what are you saying?
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On August 03 2013 23:59 hzflank wrote:
Town-Tofu does not think about routes to victory. Town-Tofu picks the person who he thinks is scum and pushes as hard as he can to lynch them on that day. He does not care about how much information is gained from a lynch.
Cora and Clarity are likely to be the same alignment as XRZ, so if Cora is town then it makes sense for Cora to want to not lynch XRZ today.
If Oats is knows that he is town then he can afford to push on the person who he thinks is most likely to be scum. He does not need information as much as I do. Lets say Oats pushes a Koshi lynch and Koshi flips town, then there would only be 2 possible scum teams left to Oats, and he has a good chance to study the game and work out which is correct.
Cora and Oat's play makes sense to me as town, Tofu's does not.
Yeah but Cora´s play makes also sense if he is scum and Clarity is a total questionmark for me. On the other hand he looks really town buyt then he does these weird vote switches at the end of the day i can´t tell what´s with them.
If we do not lynch XRZ scum are XRZ+Clarity+Cora or FT+Koshi+JAT/XRZ and if we go wrong on the next day (because the groups are accusing each other) we are fucked.
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