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On July 29 2013 03:24 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 02:49 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 02:37 hzflank wrote:
Koshi, my playstyle is similar to last game where I was scum and also to the game before where I was town. My playstyle is slowly evolving, as it should. Your playstyle is very different to the last game where you were town. Do you not see how this makes you look more scum than me?
You need to start actually scum-hunting because so far there is no evidence of it. What do you think of my case on Paper? I said I dislike it. Paper looks cool. That is not what I asked. What do you think of the reasons as to why I think Paper is scum? I think there is a chance that you are tunneling paper to prove you are scumhunting and to hide your reads on other people. Because it is hard to fake reads on multiple people as scum. Hence my vote and shizzle. And what makes it more likely that I am doing that than actually just pushing my scum read? Is this your first game as scum, Koshi? Personally, I did not find it hard to fake reads on multiple people as scum, but judging by what you have posted so far in this game it seems that you do. Still, that is the best reason for me being scum that you have posted so far. Why did it take you so long to post that reason? It's not exactly an original reason either as it is basically what Vivax said earlier. If you are town then I still do not understand your game plan. Are you so confident that you knew that I would question you so that you could push your read on me that way? I did not see you asking a lot of questions to me. If you are town then you should be pushing me at this point. You truly are apathetic towards the lynch, though. Give me one good reason as to why you are not scum?
Unicorns.
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I had hz on my list way before you joined us Vivax.
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Vivax
You don't think JAT is new to the game?
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Let me start with writing down that paper is town in my book. BUT I could understand that people would see him as null. I cannot understand how you see him as scummy.
I shall continue later.
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On July 29 2013 05:32 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 29 2013 05:22 Koshi wrote:
Vivax
You don't think JAT is new to the game? Is he? Even if he was, it still wouldn't explain why he lists Oats as read he disagrees with but never attacks him. If he's town and deliberately not openly talking about the players he finds suspicious, but lists them as not-town as means to attack somebody else, then he must be not just super newb, but super newb not wanting to play or solve the game. Koshi, you included him in your list and then retreated from it, mind telling me what you initially found scummy about his first two posts, and what changed your opinion later? + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 04:19 FirmTofu wrote:On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
FT, thoughts on justanothertownie? Give me some time yo. Well, my filter isn't exactly huge.... I would like to repeat my earlier request: On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad? Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all... Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now.
Like I said before. He reminds me of myself when I didn't know how to start playing in a game. You read the tread but you got 0 clues what to do. The thing you do then is read what other people think and try to verify that, JAT read what hzflank said about paper and then tried to make a case around that.
The second post is him trying to find a townie. The problem I had with that post is that I didn't find FT his filter that town looking. But that was before I saw that JAT is probably new to the game opposed to being scum.
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So. I am getting more and more interested in lynching hzflank. Is there a chance that I can get more votes on the guy or shouldn't I bother?
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On July 29 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:44 Koshi wrote:
So. I am getting more and more interested in lynching hzflank. Is there a chance that I can get more votes on the guy or shouldn't I bother? You should not bother if you can't make a rock-solid case. In any ways i'm interested in hearing what you have against him. What do you think about his "Oats case" post?
I put that in the same category as: "scum would never dare to lead a wagon."
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Rayn you remember that game in which you were scum together with Artanis and Z-Boson?
That game in which I had this feeling about Artanis and you said "Koshi, you are not this bad, you must be scum"?
I got same feeling bro.
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On July 29 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:49 Koshi wrote:
Rayn you remember that game in which you were scum together with Artanis and Z-Boson?
That game in which I had this feeling about Artanis and you said "Koshi, you are not this bad, you must be scum"?
I got same feeling bro. I don't understand. Did you just claim mafia?
HOW?
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On July 29 2013 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh sorry. I misread the last line. I thought you were saying you are thinking what i said there. :D
But please elaborate. You got a feeling that i am mafia? Why?
Not you. hzflank...
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Ok I might. But I can only say this so many times. hzflank play reminds me of a previous game I played with him. In which he was scum, made a gazillion posts, pushed 1 lynch on the first day for that entire day, and would probably have won that game if the SK didn't believe that hz was so town that he eventually mistakenly shot him.
That being said. I'll make a case. But because it is day 1. It will not come down on hz being obvious scum. I can tell you that already.
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If hz can make a case on those few posts paper made a couple hours in the game. I am pretty sure hz can make a case against oats. Him deleting that case and then saying that he deleted is, nha, I don't put town cred on that.
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On July 29 2013 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 06:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
I won't be here for the deadline then. What are my lynch options if I can't get vivax today? FT/Paper/JAT.
And hz
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lol at rayn deciding on who we should lynch. sure...
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Let's start with hz his first post after making a jokepost and telling us that he will be reading the thread. After a somewhat messy post he sticks his vote on Paper. (see spoiler below)
+ Show Spoiler +On July 27 2013 17:21 hzflank wrote:First impressions: I do not like how much discussion there has been about lurkers. The first post was palatable, but the fact that so many people decided to focus the conversation on it created an environment that benefits scum more than town. To talk about lurking policy properly would require a conversation about mafia-theory and philosophy, which is a conversation that allows scum to both hide easily and setup town-town wagons on day one. Paperscraps is the scummiest player to have posted so far. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 10:38 Paperscraps wrote:
As in any other game of limited information. Day 1 has the least amount of material to draw from and thus is harder to deduce a solid fos.
That does not mean that you should find a fence to sit on. There are many pro-town things that you could be doing on day 1 even if you have a hard time forming good scum reads. This post is so scummy, as it is just throwing mud for no good reason. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 12:43 Paperscraps wrote:Im just going to lurk for the rest of the day, since exarezee has deemed lurkers unlynchable. It is a full proof strategy guys. If you are mafia, just lurk from now on. You won't get lynched.  I did not like this post by Tofu as I cannot tell whether he is actually prodding or looking for a soft target. The bolded part is what puts a scummy tone on the post. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 11:11 FirmTofu wrote:On July 27 2013 10:56 exarezee wrote:
This talk of lurkers is really confusing me. I mean, we SHOULD all know better than to do this. Why is this even being discussed? If someone falls for the "trap" it's mostly due to naivety than anything else. I think we should move the discussion along.
As I have not played with you guys before, it is difficult to make tonal reads on Day 1. I already find a few people scummy: koshi and paperscraps. But this is only a slight lean, as i realize some people just post more "scumlike" than others. What? You don't want to discuss it? Are you deliberately trying to stifle discussion?If you don't want to talk about this, then what DO you want to talk about? Also, you are just naming people without saying why you find them scummy. Please explain why. Your suspicions mean nothing unless you elaborate on them. Exarzee is almost as town as anyone can be at this stage of the game. The only thing I did not like was: Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 11:35 exarezee wrote:
@FirmTofu
I'd rather wait until more posts are made. I think only 6 or 7 of the players in the game have posted so far. There are good town reasons for withholding a read for a few hours or until a particular person has posted, however the reason given above by Exarzee is not a good town reason. I am willing to let it slide due to some of his other posts being very town. This post by Rayn is not scummy, but I want to point it out because I do not think that anyone should be encouraged to sheep. Sheeping generally helps scum more than town. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am just going to say that i'll be home in around ~10-12 hours so don't waste time on discussing my alignment before i start playing.
Oats is most likely town and should be listened to. To finish, I liked the way that a lot of votes were thrown around early and I see benefit in continuing to do this, as it will provide extra information in the future. Since I think that Paperscraps is the scummiest player so far: ##vote: Paperscraps
Now to me those first posts of Paper (read the paper filter not only the posts hz quotes) are pretty much null, or maybe even leaning town as he is playing this game and not taking it too serious yet.
After a couple posts paper even apologizes for making the joke posts and is willing to make more serious posts, which he did.
Now, after this one would remove this vote on paper in case it was a pressure vote right? Nope, hz doesn't. Why not I ask you?
In the spoiler below hz says that he would change his opinion on Paper, But let's be honest hz is not going to to that. He even puts a scumvote out of the fucking blue on oats because oats defends paper. But then decided to not posts a case on oats because it wasn't a good case. (as if this ever stopped hz)
+ Show Spoiler +On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.
I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.
Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum. Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed. If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time. You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1? I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town.
Another remarkable thing is how hz interacts with me. It's gut but it's not towny for me. I don't have the time to provide the quotes but it comes down on hz saying that I am a null read. It obviously isn't that simple but meh.
Something else that bugs me is that hz does treat anybody the same as paper. hz does not tunnel anybody else, but hz makes sure he has conversations/discussions with everybody. Hz steps on clarity his toes a bit, maybe a bit on vayne, maybe a bit on oats. But is it on the same level as paper? Not even close.
There is a lot of thread control coming from hz, but is it is rarely about finding scum outside the paper case. Obviously hz asks a lot of questions and makes comments on other people their cases. But is it really pushing to find other scums? I would say no. Not at all.
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Something else that bugs me is that hz does not treat anybody the same as paper. hz does not tunnel anybody else, but hz makes sure he has conversations/discussions with everybody. Hz steps on clarity his toes a bit, maybe a bit on vayne, maybe a bit on oats. But is it on the same level as paper? Not even close.
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The discussion with exarezee is a perfect example of hz only wanting to push 1 wagon. His wagon.
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On July 29 2013 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
He wants to push HIS wagon over other peoples wagons? The scummy bastard.
That's not the point.
The point is he is not interested in finding other scums and is controlling the thread to make sure the atmosphere is not ideal to find other scums.
How many people here don't lean scum on paper? Oats exarezee Malongo Myself.
hz keeps shooting everything down and pushes 1 fucking wagon. Who of us is so fucking certain about 1 wagon that he is almost blinded towards all other wagons.
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And when I say other scums. I mean in his eyes other scums.
Before you all go crazy and stuff.
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On July 29 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 06:48 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
He wants to push HIS wagon over other peoples wagons? The scummy bastard. That's not the point. The point is he is not interested in finding other scums and is controlling the thread to make sure the atmosphere is not ideal to find other scums. How many people here don't lean scum on paper? Oats exarezee Malongo Myself. hz keeps shooting everything down and pushes 1 fucking wagon. Who of us is so fucking certain about 1 wagon that he is almost blinded towards all other wagons. Koshi you can't lynch more than 1 scum / day. There is no reason to push multiple lynches by yourself.
You want to find them don't you? If you can?
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