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On July 27 2013 18:37 exarezee wrote: It's difficult to ascertain tone and sarcasm and some of these less subtle jokes on the internet. I even indicated I thought paperscraps was joking early on. But when posts have 0 use and possibly 0 intentions of helping the scum hunt...then it's not really a funny joke anymore. Paperscrap's posts were really poor imo for a townie, but I can accept the possibility that he was "not being serious". One minute he's saying Paperscraps could have been joking around... On July 27 2013 18:54 exarezee wrote: Yea, so apparently everybody who was promoting this lunacy of lynch lurkers were all joking or setting a pretty miserable tarp. Which is why we never needed to go on this path of discussion to begin with. I like a wagon on paperscraps. ...and two posts later, he's saying he wants Paperscraps dead. Why does he feel the need to say, "Oh, yea, Paperscraps might have been joking around...but he's scum anyway." This line of reasoning does not bode well for his alignment. Only scum would be pushing someone while setting themselves up with an excuse for a town flip. Still reading, I'm on page 10 right now. | ||
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On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy! Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point. Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy: You are misrepresenting what I was referring to. When I said cut the fluff, I wasn't talking about the policy lynching lurkers discussion. I was referring to the braces gif that Vayne posted, the useless RP shit coming out of CJS' mouth, and Koshi's jokes about lynching the person with the least posts. Those posts weren't getting us anywhere and needed to be kicked to the curb. On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: "I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!" This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met. Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself. How is this scummy? I'm voting someone to get them to post their scumreads. If anything, this should be considered town play. On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts: Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded. He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why? Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads. You are putting words in my mouth that I never said. I never said I want to lynch them "because they're hard to read". I said I wanted to lynch them because all they were doing was posting fluff and being non-contributive. You are are saying this isn't alignment indicative? Well, I think scum are more likely to post fluff than town are. Why would I lynch someone if I didn't think their play was scummy? On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum. FirmTofu is pretty likely scum and our best lynch right now. ... Again, you put words in my mouth that I never said. I never said we should stop scumhunting. I said we shouldn't get overeager with our reads at the time being considering that half the players haven't even posted yet. | ||
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I find it odd that hzflank soft-defended me by talking a lot about how Clarity included a quote from hzflank on his case against me. It feels like hzflank is trying to distance himself from the lynch if I were to get voted, thus firmly establishing himself as an opposing force who wanted to save the townie. The only way I see this happening is if hzflank knows I am town and is acting on that knowledge to make himself look more townie. Who knows I am town? Scum. | ||
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On July 27 2013 22:02 exarezee wrote: Ok, this post is really bothering me now. Wants to get down to business...but also is bogging the game down with the lurker discussion. Like really pushing the discussion from the get-go. Another scummy post from exarezee. He's pushing for my lynch in theory, but is still voting Paperscraps on paper. It's like he wants to throw dirt onto me but doesn't want to be associated with my town flip. On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote: I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1. I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here. Look at how he INSISTS that both are probably not scum. If he was town, he'd be pushing his scumreads like there's no tomorrow (See: Clarity). He wouldn't be trying to create an out for when Paperscraps or I flip town and he has nothing to fall back on. ##Vote: exarezee | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote: You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1? WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this? | ||
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oh nevermind. I think I misinterpreted that last post. exarezee, can you quickly clarify what you meant in the post about the "town wagons"? Were you referring to me and paper? Wha | ||
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On July 28 2013 02:35 Koshi wrote: That looks pretty okish. He meant that the town/town wagon hz spoke of is clearly not a town/town wagon at all. He just says that he is scum because he is pushing that wagon. Yeah, I think I read it wrong. Okay, back to my case. Be back soon. | ||
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Some of this will be copy/pasted from some of my previous posts so bare with me if you experience deja vu. Here is the first accusatory post that exarzee made. On July 27 2013 10:56 exarezee wrote: This talk of lurkers is really confusing me. I mean, we SHOULD all know better than to do this. Why is this even being discussed? If someone falls for the "trap" it's mostly due to naivety than anything else. I think we should move the discussion along. As I have not played with you guys before, it is difficult to make tonal reads on Day 1. I already find a few people scummy: koshi and paperscraps. But this is only a slight lean, as i realize some people just post more "scumlike" than others. Here he accuses Koshi and paperscraps. Note that he never followed through on his Koshi scumread. A few posts later... On July 27 2013 12:07 exarezee wrote: I mean, this looks really forced doesn't it? You start the thread appearing to be helpful, answering a few questions, etc. etc. Come back in a few, and this is your post? The follow up on Paperscraps. Nothing significant yet, I'm just posting it so you can get an idea of where his head is at this time. On July 27 2013 13:23 exarezee wrote: I'm getting more and more distressed by paperscrap's posts. He starts off posting ok and it is just deteriorating. Pretty generic 1st post. I assumed when he said to lynch all lurkers it was a joke. 2nd post. A pretty safe post leaving himself wiggle room. Says he doesn't mind voting a lurker because they are a libability later in the game. True, but it's more of a liability to lose the game before we get to late game. Backs it up that it's hard to get a read...reinforcing his idea that it's not a bad idea to lynch a lurker. So he knows that we need interactions between the dead and alive to figure out this game. How does he still advocate lynching a lurker? It is basically a waste of a day to lynch someone with few to no interactions. Have the vigilante shoot them for crying out loud or force the scum to night kill them. Leaves for a bit then comes back with this. I've thrown him the softest of scum leans and he comes back with a 1 liner. Notice how none of his previous posts have been similar to this at all. This is just terrible on so many different levels. I'm not even sure how to interpret this. It makes you look scummy at worst or a useless townie at best. I have absolutely 0 idea why you would post this if you were a townsperson. This is the case he made against Paperscraps. At this point, a town exarezee should be tunneling Paperscraps. We should expect pressuring, prodding, or constant attacks going from exarezee to Paperscraps. On July 27 2013 13:26 exarezee wrote: ##Vote: paperscraps The vote establishes that he's serious. Now the fun part... On July 27 2013 18:37 exarezee wrote: It's difficult to ascertain tone and sarcasm and some of these less subtle jokes on the internet. I even indicated I thought paperscraps was joking early on. But when posts have 0 use and possibly 0 intentions of helping the scum hunt...then it's not really a funny joke anymore. Paperscrap's posts were really poor imo for a townie, but I can accept the possibility that he was "not being serious". One minute he's saying Paperscraps could have been joking around... On July 27 2013 18:54 exarezee wrote: Yea, so apparently everybody who was promoting this lunacy of lynch lurkers were all joking or setting a pretty miserable tarp. Which is why we never needed to go on this path of discussion to begin with. I like a wagon on paperscraps. ...and two posts later, he's saying he wants Paperscraps dead. Why does he feel the need to say, "Oh, yea, Paperscraps might have been joking around...but he's scum anyway." This line of reasoning does not bode well for his alignment. Only scum would be pushing someone while setting themselves up with an excuse for a town flip. On July 27 2013 22:02 exarezee wrote: Ok, this post is really bothering me now. Wants to get down to business...but also is bogging the game down with the lurker discussion. Like really pushing the discussion from the get-go. Another scummy post from exarezee. This is the first time he has said anything about finding me scummy. He's pushing for my lynch in theory, but is still voting Paperscraps on paper. It's like he wants to throw dirt onto me but doesn't want to be associated with my town flip. I think the idea is to support Clarity's pressure on me without actually associating himself with the wagon. On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote: I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1. I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here. Look at how he INSISTS that both are probably not scum. If he was town, he'd be pushing his scumreads like there's no tomorrow (See: Clarity). He wouldn't be trying to create an out for when Paperscraps or I flip town and he has nothing to fall back on. On July 27 2013 23:21 exarezee wrote: It's a useful post for those who think I'm town and several people do. it's also useful to have a nice concise argument that one of those two is scum for if/when i die and turn up town. No one said exarezee looks town aside from me very early in the game irrc. It looks like exarezee is trying to push pressure off of him by saying other people think he's town. Scum play at its finest. On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote: I forgot to address your other point hzflank. I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him. Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum. Another post saying that he isn't even all that convinced that paperscraps is scum. If he's not sure if Paperscraps is scum, why is he voting him? For information? On Day 1? That's absurd. This logic also is very scum-esque because of how it sets up scum in future days. Assuming Paperscraps and I are both town and Paperscraps is lynched, exarezee can quote this post and go, "Well, I said I was sure one of them was scum, I wasn't sure which one. FirmTofu must be scum guys." On July 28 2013 00:00 exarezee wrote: I understand it's probably going to look pretty bad for me and potentially cost the town the game if both paper and tofu turn up town...but it's just crying that one of those two attempted a really poor attack at me in the hopes of garnering a following. Another post insuring himself against my town flip. He knows I will flip town, so he is planning ahead for when I flip by saying, "I'm sorry if I'm wrong". Thanks for reading. ©TofuLogic Incorporated | ||
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On July 28 2013 03:14 Oatsmaster wrote: hey tofu wanna lynch justanothertownie? Why/why not? Read your case, if Im not wrong, it is basically stuff surrounding paperscraps and his 2 wagon shit right? I dunno man, its a lotta conspiracy theory based on scum setting up wagons and leaving himself outs. From what Ive seen, scum dont really leave themself outs. I dunno, your logic is fine, but I feel that exarezee has been posting really clearly and I can see his thought process and all that townie shit. Also not a good idea to kill active poster day 1. I will take a look into his filter. This isn't conspiracy theory shit. They are scumtells, plain and simple. A conspiracy theory is when you make an elaborate story to establish relationships between multiple players. Just ask hzflank, he knows all about them. | ||
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On July 28 2013 03:40 exarezee wrote: So paperscraps was suspicious in your eyes. Nothing has changed regarding paperscraps, as he hasn't posted till a few minutes ago. Why do you not have him in your sights anymore? Mostly because I think you are scum and if you are scum, paperscraps is likely town. Do you think I'm scum? | ||
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On July 28 2013 03:43 exarezee wrote: Also, why is CJS not your top candidate anymore? He's on the same level as all my other reads that are relatively useless and post fluff. He has somewhat redeemed himself in my eyes with his conversation prodding you. I'm trying to lynch scum and you are the closest thing to scum for me right now. | ||
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On July 28 2013 04:00 hzflank wrote: Have you read the thread thoroughly? CJS has had more than one good conversation and has been by far the most useful town player in this game. If CJS is scum then he deserves a medal for this day 1 play. Also, has this exchange with Exar made him look at all less scummy to you? I wasn't even saying CJS is a scumread for me right now... Nope, still scum on exarezee. His responses look like a feeble attempt to save face. | ||
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On July 28 2013 03:52 exarezee wrote: Well, I've shown that three of your statements about me that are part of your case are completely wrong. 1. I did say something about koshi 2. I'm not trying to distance myself from you and throw soft accusations at you. 3. I had 3 people lean town on me when I made the post saying several people had town reads on me. You got anything else? You picked and chose the point that you felt were easier to defend. 1. I was talking about why you hadn't pursued Koshi. If you are scum, it is useful to make note of. Koshi is a possible scumbuddy of yours. 2. You are just saying you aren't doing something that I say you're doing. There is no evidence to back up your defense. It's like I went, "You did this, this. and this." and you are like, "Nope. I didn't. Ha! Take that!". 3. This isn't even a significant part of my post. I also said "if I recall correctly", meaning I wasn't entirely sure. Can you address the meat of my post instead of dodging everything? | ||
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On July 28 2013 04:14 exarezee wrote: I copied all your posts and addressed each of them. What am i picking and choosing? I'm going to copy and paste all the parts of my post that you chose not to address to make it abundantly clear for you that you did pick and choose what to answer. Look at how he INSISTS that both are probably not scum. If he was town, he'd be pushing his scumreads like there's no tomorrow (See: Clarity). He wouldn't be trying to create an out for when Paperscraps or I flip town and he has nothing to fall back on. Another post saying that he isn't even all that convinced that paperscraps is scum. If he's not sure if Paperscraps is scum, why is he voting him? For information? On Day 1? That's absurd. This logic also is very scum-esque because of how it sets up scum in future days. Assuming Paperscraps and I are both town and Paperscraps is lynched, exarezee can quote this post and go, "Well, I said I was sure one of them was scum, I wasn't sure which one. FirmTofu must be scum guys." Another post insuring himself against my town flip. He knows I will flip town, so he is planning ahead for when I flip by saying, "I'm sorry if I'm wrong". That's only a sample. You've ignored more parts as well. You also didn't quote any evidence to support your defense. All of it is just, "I didn't do that!" and "Nope. You're wrong." | ||
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On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote: FT, thoughts on justanothertownie? Give me some time yo. | ||
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No, I would not lynch him today Oats. Not unless you make a good case against him. | ||
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