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On July 31 2013 00:48 hzflank wrote: I am afraid that you sometimes have to try to put yourself in Malongo's head. I am struggling to believe him, but it is possible. And we do not seem to have a Vig  That´s why i want him vigged. At best he is town and useless which makes him a liability later on. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:53 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Scummier than the three people I named? At least FirmTofu is showing some effort to scumhunting. The other 3 have been completely useless and are just mucking up the thread with random bullshit (especially Koshi). You are completely ignoring Stutters´case on FT which is, as i have said many times, spot on. I agree that Malongo and Koshi look at least as bad as FT, but he is not doing much. He flips his reads 180 right after flip for no reason. His response to vayne´s check is fucking scummy. His D1 was awful. He is accusing me of same things he does himself (which i btw didn´t do). How the fuck is that townie behaviour? Faking scumhunting is another thing and i don´t think FT has done good job at scumhunting this game. Which of his cases do you believe in? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote: I mean we're obviously going to have to lynch koshi today barring some divine intervention. Completely trolling right now. I might as well try to figure some other stuff out. Rayn, please tell me your read on me when you get a chance. Not trying to pester you, but last attempt in case you missed my other attempts. I reread you and FT, FT is fucking scummy so i think you are town. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:26 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: He has not 180'd on all of his reads... How does not having any reads or having poorly explained reads make sense to you? HE FUCKING FLIPPED ALL HIS SCUMREADS AROUND WHEN PAPER FLIPPED GREEN AND DID NOT OPPOSE THE LYNCH? Are you dumb or something? I think Stutters has had a pretty clear thought process. He wanted to lynch FT. He wanted to lynch Koshi. When you fuckers didn´t vote either of them with me & Vivax he did not want to no-lynch and voted for Paper. How is that having no reads? He is today pushing FT, he has a case on him. HOW IS THAT HAVING NO READS? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:32 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Then why did you vote for him? Why would you keep him around if he was posting like a townie? I want Rayn to answer this question too because I called him out on it too and he dodged the question. I didn´t dodge the question. If you had read the thread you would know i have answered it. I can do it again. I did not want to no-lynch, and in case i am wrong, because you know - i can be wrong too, i voted for Paper. He already had a majority on him so all my vote did was to ensure scum vote shenanigans in case Paper was in fact scum. Why are you not reading and why are YOU dodging my questions? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:34 hzflank wrote: Rayn never questioned Vayne motivations at all. When everyone else was trying to work out if Vayne was cop or scum, Rayn and Vayne were both trying to work out which third parties were scum based on their responses. They both jumped on JAT at the same time for the same reason. Basically, Rayn and Vayne were completely on the same page about everything. They were even on a similar page about Clarity's RB claim. I do not think that Rayn is scum but Vayne is town. That´s a fucking towniest post in this thread this day and nobody should try to lynch this guy ever. There is 100x more thought in this post than half of the players have expressed in the whole game. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:36 VayneAuthority wrote: There's actually a very high chance rayn is scum so I don't agree. He loves buddying me as scum and his recent actions are pointing in that direction...didn't really want to reveal this but I digress. I really need to see who is scum between JAT and malongo, then this game will be a lot easier. vayne no there isn´t. and i don´t buddy you as scum. if i have done so there is some other reason than that the person is you. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Ok I'll buy the 180 flips from FT. He changed his mind on XRZ like three times in the first page of his filter. I'm still reluctant to think he is scummier than the other three people I have mentioned before though. Those posts could just be coming from a paranoid or bad townie. It shows that he is trying to solve the game, however, which I can appreciate. I'm not entirely sure scum would be that obvious about flip-flopping. It seems like they would try to tunnel someone to death just to have a scumread (Stutters). So mafia tunnels and townies flip-flop about their reads. Sounds legit Cora. You should know better, i remember you tunneling me in Red purely because you were the host of the newbie game that looked alike my play in that game. And btw Stutters is not tunneling. | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:20 FirmTofu wrote: I'm sorry, how is changing your reads upon a flip considered scummy. If you would like, I'll quote all the games where I've done that as town. It's called ADAPTING TO NEW INFORMATION. You are already giving yourself an out before the flip so you can call who the fuck you want scum before, as it doesn´t mean shit after the flip. If you are already thinking about the reads after flip, you are not trying to lynch scum, because you already know the guy is going to flip town. Why do you think about how your reads change if you lynch town? You should be lynching scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:33 FirmTofu wrote: Read again. My reads only changed after the flip. The timeline is as follows: 1) I posted a list of reads because I thought I was going to be lynched. These reads were based on the assumption that PS would flip mafia. 2) PS flipped town 3) THEN, I changed my reads to reflect the new information. No, it´s the attitude you had at the lynch. Someone asked you "what if PS flips town". You reply "that makes this and that different". You have clearly thought about the "what if"-scenario before the flip. Why did you not just say "your question is stupid because Paper is gonna flip red" as he is your scumread. Your reads after the flip are nothing like you quoted in NWM and Sicilian. They are wishy washy, like "this is how he plays as town, i don´t know what to make of it, so null - leaning scum". Wtf? Also your read on Koshi goes from top 1 scumread to town in 2 hours without no reasoning at all. That´s also fishy and you have still not explained that. | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote: If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town. Koshi top 1 scumread. Or exarezee, but FT has done nothing to push him after his initial case. On July 29 2013 04:59 FirmTofu wrote: Not ignoring it, I'm just saying it's less likely. Of course, I could be wrong. In my opinion, the chances of that are very slim. If exarezee is mafia, Paper is unlikely to be mafia. That's a fact. Therefore, if I believe exarezee is mafia, then why in the fuck would I vote for Paper? Why would i vote for Paper? Yeah, why? On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote: Filter Dive of Paperscraps: This is the first serious post he makes. Using it as a starting point. I don't think it tells us anything just yet. Obviously, I don't really like his read on exarezee. Null is the last thing I'd expect on someone like exarezee. He's posted a ton and there's a ton of information to dissect his role. By the point in the game that this post was made, everyone should have already been leaning one way or another on exarezee. His read on Oats is disturbing. I'm not sure what Oats did that constitutes that strong of a stance on him. Most of Ots' posts were one-liners that held little to no substance. Oats could be a possible scumbuddy of Paper, but I feel like that'd be too obvious. His reads on Koshi and Vayne are pretty awful. I can kind of see why he might think Vayne is town, but Koshi should be null or scum for every town person at that point that Paper made that post. Bolded relevant. I don't like this at all. Why would tunneling be a good thing to do? Paper is telling exarezee to vote him? What? Why would town do this? This is a decent post. He starts pushing a read and it looks like he is adapting based on new information (his read on hzflank has changed). I'm not entirely sure this post invalidates all of his scummy posting, but I can agree that he has been fairly transparent throughout the thread. Conclusion: I'm actually a little bit surprised that Paper has been this scummy. If you hadn't made me filter dive, I don't think I would have this read on him. I agree, Paperscraps is quite scummy all things considered. However, his posting does seem genuine. I think that if we give him another day, he'll be able to redeem himself. Scummy but FT does want to give him another day. Still no more pushing on his XRZ read or vote for Koshi who is definitely scummier. On July 29 2013 05:50 FirmTofu wrote: No, wrong isn't scum. However, if I can't see why how his reasoning would make sense from a town perspective, I consider that scummy. Like I said before, I still think exarezee is scum. This makes me think Paper is town. Bad town, but town nonetheless. All the scummy things I pointed out could have been mistakes made by bad town. That's why I would much rather lynch exarezee and give Paper another chance. However if the lynch comes down to Koshi vs. Paper, I'm not so sure where I would stand. I'm going to filter dive Koshi as well and decide. Does not know what to do. Both equally scummy for no reasons. On July 29 2013 06:03 FirmTofu wrote: I'm starting to see some connections between Paper, Malongo, and Koshi. I'm gonna do some research. Be back soon. Now there is some sort of connection that is not explained? On July 29 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I'm starting to warm on the Paperscraps lynch. I have a feeling that Paper/Malongo/Koshi is one possible scum team and exarezee/hzflank is part of another possible scum team. Lynching in one of these two groups of players would give us invaluable information about the other group. ##Unvote ##Vote: Paperscraps Suddenly there is this. Nowhere does FT explain why the fuck is he even voting for Paper. Koshi is still scummy for him, and was scummier some time ago. He completely throws off the scummier people and votes for Paper. I could understand this if he gave some reasons but no, he doesn´t. Also here is also where the foundation of "my reads might change" is put out. Look at the post. "Hey there are two groups (no reasoning why) where a couple of scum are". "When Paper flips town i can forget about Koshi & Malongo for no reason and start accusing XRZ (which i really did not do on D1) and hzflank". | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:58 exarezee wrote: but i also find it hard to believe the scum team is stutters/tofu/malongo/koshi Stutters is not scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:02 FirmTofu wrote: This game is beyond retarded. Rayn is playing like a scum mastermind, leading everyone onto lynches that are sure to fail and then switching off of them at the last minute and going 100% in the opposite direction after the lynch becomes inevitable. He was briefly scum on PS, but as soon as that wagon started gaining steam, he switched to Koshi. Watch him switch off Koshi once this doomed wagon fails. I´m done talking to you because you are scum. You still have not explained yourself. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote: First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider). Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though. I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. There is no way hz would have claimed vet if he was mafia at the start of D2. He is town. | ||
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, but it looks like playing the standard super serious pro-town meta game will be more beneficial to the passengers on this ship. It is just ever so boring, but I can deal with it.
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