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On July 31 2013 00:04 reps)squishy wrote: This is going to be my first mafia. Who else is in the same boat? Me too squishy. I bet you'll do well. There is a lot of good guides that you can check out. They have helped me out a lot so far because I had absolutely no idea what mafia was before joining this game. GL HF everyone. | ||
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On July 31 2013 07:48 Umasi wrote: people claiming anything this early at all should be treated as a null tell Good point. We will see what he has to say when he gets back tonight. | ||
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On July 31 2013 11:16 Holyflare wrote: Hold up there skippy, while yes, he has been somewhat repetitive, the day is young; he is after all new. I AM interested to hear his replies to the questions you have raised though. Yes but why does he insist on emphasizing that he is new to this game. Everyone is a noob here yet he has called attention to his noobieness more than anyone else. His repetition means something. He is scum. | ||
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1. Is anyone trying to defend reps? 2. Who is not posting their opinion? 3. What does reps have to say in his defense? 4. I am sure you guys have more to add. Hopefully we can expose more than just reps intentions. | ||
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Alakaslam votes me because of the Kenpachi rule. Lol. That is just stupid. I never attacked a VT claim. Asking if Alakaslam can be trusted because he claimed VT super early is hardly an attack. There is some talk on people who are being neutral and others who are not contributing that much. Honestly, I think we should wait to target these people. If they are persistently neutral or lurking throughout multiple days then we have more reason to be suspicious. That being said, why would you even want to stay neutral? Being a vocal townie is not a bad thing. Just imagine if every legit townie was trying to be extremely pro town. Scum couldn't target one specific individual, and town would have a great basis for analyzing potential scum posts, i.e. a post that was trying to appear pro town. Okay, I still want to focus on reps. If reps is scum and he gets lynched, WOOT good job townies. If reps is a bad townie and he gets lynched, WOOT good job townies. Has anyone actually disagreed that reps is either scum or a bad townie? On July 31 2013 07:59 reps)squishy wrote: So I have read a few TL Mafia games to try to get a grasp of the game. People love lynching people who don't post. What do you guys think of non-posters? Should we lynch them and hang them in the entrance of the town to let them all see that scums are not allowed here? Honestly this didn't contribute much at all. In fact most of his posts are pointless. But here is what Interests me. Reps says he has been reading up on a few TL Mafia games and expresses his interest in non posters. He hasn't posted that much, at time he has been a complete lurker, and again non of his posts are actually that meaningful. For someone who has been reading TL Mafia games your doing a really shitty job so far reps, no offense. Furthermore, if he has been reading TL Mafia games why the hell does he appear so newbie still? Evidence of pointless posts: (I am not going to quote them because there is a lot) 1. Welcome Nightcat you have missed just about nothing. 2. Yeah just use the edit button and that thing. 3. Quotes me and says, "Meaningless fluff is awesome! But I guess that is not something to do." 4. oh (are you kidding me reps....) 5. Quotes and then says, "Happy?" (seriously............) 6. sc_a.M has not posted since the game has started. RDaneelOlivaw posted one fluff since the game started. 7. A picture (my favorite) Okay a lot of pointless posts there. He has not contributed much. That seems scummy to me. Furthermore, his defense of my accusation was poor. On July 31 2013 14:48 reps)squishy wrote: My response to skeptics. He said he is a newbie multiple times! Pff, oops I said I was a newbie to many times that does not decide what role I am. He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that. scroll up there is another post that I almost edited. Almost looks exactly the same scrubby mistake. My mistakes have made me look pretty scummy. But assure me saying I was new was me being truthful. Me claiming I was a noob should not decide if I am scum or not. He doesn't even thwart any suspicion here, instead he actually claims his actions were scummy, which means that accusation was warranted. Couple more things. Ill be brief. Why would he vote Umasi? That makes little sense. He votes Umasi because Umasi came under recent suspicion. That seem like he is trying to blend in to me. Furthermore he presses his attack against Umasi, saying that anyone who defends him, like Umasi did, should appear suspicious? WAT? Yeah maybe if you are scum than anyone who defends you should appear suspicious. But if your townie why do you care? Furthermore, that is certanly not a reason to vote Umasi. In conclusion, At best he is a bad townie and we should lynch him. However, he seems very scummy to me. | ||
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He seems to be pretty passive, both in the content of his posts and the amount of posts. He did state that he can't post as much as he likes but that might be a ruse. Infii does not seem to care that much about day 1. He might feel like you can't accomplish much. On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote: I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?) This seems like a shady reason for not helping. You can at least do your best to give us analysis. Even if your wrong it still helps us out in some way. You should not be afraid of being wrong. It is hard for me to give a definitive answer right now, but I think we should all keep an eye on him. Hopefully the pressure will reveal something. Furthermore, I want to point out that the process leading up to a lynch offers a lot more valuable information than the lynch itself. It is in our best interest to lynch someone day 1. My understanding is that no-lynches are more valuable when the game is almost over. | ||
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I get that newbie players are going to make mistakes, hell just look at my first pointless posts in this game (first every mafia posts), but don't you think it is kind of odd that he as already stated multiple times that he has been reading guides? It is definitely odd that after so much ridicule (sorry reps) that he still seems hesitant to contribute. Food for thought. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:13 Holyflare wrote: I have also asked him several times for proper reads (others have too) and he has yet to contribute. Quite frankly the fact that he is drawing this much discussion to himself and away from the real scum (if he is a so called townsman) is grounds enough for me to vote him off. We have the ability to mislynch a few times anyway and so his flip could be useful or it could not, but it eliminates a volatile bad town/scum from the game. That is such a good point holy. A lynch day 1 is important. If we are going to lynch anyone day 1 lets make it reps. Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point. We need to play to win not to coddle reps' feelings. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:13 Alakaslam wrote: I am very VERY odd. Odd =\= scum and there is my reservation. He isn't quite so scummy but he is on a knife. Stray either way and totes scum 2me. His actions are odd and his posts are odd. You are just odd in general Alakaslam. I think there is a clear difference in this case. I am dead serious. | ||
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On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote: @infill I want to question you. Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town? A: Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that? A: This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above. | ||
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On August 01 2013 15:38 Umasi wrote: Why are you preemptively defending yourself? reps hasn't flipped yet, and you think he's scum. Hell, that entire post, ALL of it, is written on the contingency that reps is town. You read as unsure whether to proceed with the lynch because you're worried about the possible aftermath as it concerns you, not because you might be mislynching a townie. I don't want to talk about you too much, because reps is more important to clear up first. Like, you can feel free to keep pushing yourself into the issue, but that's just counterproductive, because if reps flips scum (like we think he will) I'm not voting you ANYWAY. Over half of that post was taking about how we can move forward. As we get closer to lynching time we can learn something from peoples votes. That was the point I was making. OF COURSE it was written on the contingency that reps flips town. Did you want me to add a part about if reps flips scum? Okay here it is: If reps flips scum we can look at who was hesitant to vote against him (is that even a good read? scum might have just sacked him as a lost cause). I was trying to discuss what could happen in the near future, because lets be honest, however unlikely, reps can still flip town, right? I didn't think I needed to address what would happen if reps flipped scum, thought that was pretty obvious. Furthermore, a lot of my post was under the assumption that reps gets lynched, as in I am hoping reps get lynched because this is what we can learn from the lynching. How does that come across as unsure whether to proceed with lynching reps? Umasi I asked you earlier why you thought I was scum, which is perfectly reasonable because I am one of the most pro town people here, and your answer was poor. I was simply addressing that. That's hardly inserting myself into the issue. Didn't I preface that paragraph with, "Umasi this is directed at you"? I am suspicious of you because you have this notion that I am scummy. I am trying not to focus 100 percent of my attention on reps, because there is a lot that can be learned from other people in this game at the moment. On August 01 2013 17:13 Gotard wrote: When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step. Look at that post: This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy? Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people? I agree with Gotard on several points here. Pressuring someone is a great way to get information. Also, I think you have a good read on infii. Posting just to say he will not contribute that much day one because there is not enough information is total BS, seems pretty scummy. Also infii does come across as pretty neutral. I don't get why you would want to stay neutral if you're townie. It is almost like being a townie but trying to hide. Townies should be fearless. Going to keep an eye on infii. Finally, some quick thoughts on reps. Sadly I think he is making a very poor case of why we should keep him around. Are we supposed to hope that he is going to get better as the game progresses? Like holy said, lets lynch him already. He is not an asset. If we are going to lynch anyone day one lets make it scummy scummy reps. | ||
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On August 02 2013 04:22 Nightcat99 wrote: If Umasi posted something like this 5 to 6 hour ahead i would have been happy to consider a switch , because rep although scummy is no way on top of my radar, and i have stated before that a scum will have a scum team with coach and there is no way they would play like this. But this is too late, there is no switching at this point. Well Nightcat99 I wouldn't be so sure. We would be able to tell if he was being coached. It would make him more suspicious. A coach might tell him to push the newb routine because that might be his best chance of survival, if he is scum. | ||
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What aren't you convinced about stim? Just saying it could be a possibility. I could see both sides of the coin. We were pushing reps pretty hard to contribute so a change in is posts could mean a response to us or a response to a scum coach. Hard to say. | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:10 Zyrre wrote: Since Alakaslam and Umasi probably are not mafia now(or are taking on a mafia playstyle of the joker), can I please ask you to be more succint in your posts and not spam every single one of your thougts. I have a hunch that one of them is scum. I plan on spending a lot of time looking into those two. | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:10 Zyrre wrote: reps flip as town does not mean we are town. It's just as easy for mafia to be correct about someones alignment as it is towns. In fact, it's easier! ?? It is guaranteed that mafia is correct on someones alignment. They know who town is lol. | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:24 Umasi wrote: Deus, that's FALSE. We got a mislynch on a bad townie, but he'd shown he was willing to try to improve. Although I can definitely see where that line of thinking comes from, mislynching is not a good thing. like, fucking ever. Would have been better to lynch one of our two lurkers, and even then, I'd prefer to vote infii. If they're still lurking by the end of day two then dammit I'll happily vote them because they've had time to get in gear. Woah woah woah. I think most of us were in agreement that reps was a bad townie and not helping. Were we just supposed to hope that he would get better? Sorry bro but if he had real motivation to improve we would have seen it by now. Still a good lynch. Are you telling me that you have enough information to lynch someone else. Hardly. Any candidate you throw out would be just as likely to be a miss-lynch. | ||
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On August 02 2013 06:00 Umasi wrote: I don't think I was being defensive. Feel free to push the issue though, but I'll move on from the issue (push it if you want) You said your plan was to look at me and slam for scum. Who else are you thinking? town reads, scum reads, anything. You're right Umasi. Maybe, I am being overly suspicious or you. Ill drop the matter. I would be lying if I said you weren't someone that I would want to look into further. That being said, you are definitely not lurking. "Who else are you thinking? own reads, scum reads, anything" Good question. I am suspicious of scam, and olivaw. I know a lot of people are suspicious of them atm, and I believe there is merit to that. There is no denying that they are major lurkers. There has been a lot of talk about infii also, so I will look into that. As far as town reads, ill get back to you. Tonight I will post in depth (or do my best) about my scum and town reads. Hopefully if I provide a meaningful analysis it will be in no way discredited by my reps accusation. | ||
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Scam and RDO There has been a lot of suspicion directed towards these two. Ill start with Scam. Is his hardcore lurking indicative of scum? No, I don't think so. I agree with Nightcat in this regard and have additional thoughts to add. On August 02 2013 10:39 Nightcat99 wrote: The thing is i through he was town too but no one can be sure, and there is no way to ensure a lynch on any one else. I know i might be stubborn but i just cant agree with a peaceful no lynch. I will be honest through, I don't think Sc_am is scum at all. First of all, hes obviously lurking and not busy. In that case, hes scum team would pressure him to play and give advice. I think you are much likely to do something, if you are 2 other scum and a coach on another forum pressuring you. And his lack of motivation is a tell of a horrible town. i need to form a opinion on scums through, i will go dive filter for a bit. Can't agree with this more. Scum want to try and hide right? Well scam is not hiding that is for damn sure. His over the top lurking has put him in the spot light yet he doesn't seem to care. He only has a few posts. Seems to me like this is a town with lack of motivation. Furthermore, a vote to no-lynch is NOT indicative of scum. Scum know who their fellow scum are right. By process of elimination they know who is not scum. When it came down to lynching reps a scum would want to vote against him, because they know he is not scum. Boom! Scum vote to lynch reps and chalk it up as a small victory. Yet, scam voted a no-lynch. Why would he do that if he was scum? There are a lot of differences between Scam and RDO. For starters RDO posts a lot more than Scam. Let me elaborate on some of the other differences and move my train of thought onto RDO. To me RDO seems to be scummy. He was lurking hard at the beginning of the game. When people became suspicious of RDO he kicked up his game and started posting a lot right? Well that is why I get a scummy read off of him. He definitely seems like he is trying to blend at this point. Furthermore, he definitely seems like he is jumping on the opportunity to defend himself. Granted that is what is being asked of him, by people like Slam, yet nevertheless he seems like he is aiming to clear his name. This is a great example of that: On August 02 2013 12:01 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: As a note to all parties, I will be offline from now until tomorrow evening again...so ask any last questions about my innocence within the next fifteen minutes or hang on to them for a while. You could argue that RDO seems pro town as of late. He has posted about his scum suspicions. However, to me this seems like another attempt at blending in. To this I would simply ask, why was he not doing that before? That concludes my suspicion of RDO. That is not enough to go on for now but I think it is a start. If anyone else wants to add to this, I want to hear what you have to say. A lot of us are suspicious of RDO at the moment so I think we should press the mater. Final thoughts on some other players: I am okay with infii right now. I don't have a solid read on him either way. I would rather spend my efforts focusing on other people. Nightcat could definitely be scummy, although I can't say for sure yet. Above I agreed with what he had to say on Scam, but I won't let that in anyway cloud my opinion of him. A lot of you are looking into nightcat so I will try to help out. There is definitely other noteworthy candidates at this point. Ill do my best to check into them all. If you guys have anything specific you would like me to address let me know. Ill be up for a little while longer. | ||
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On August 03 2013 06:47 Umasi wrote: deus, who are you going to focus on currently? 1. Infii, because I agree with your read on him. 2. You 3. RDO, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422313¤tpage=40#795. That was who I focused on last night, but I am still looking in to him. Lot more info coming in a bigger post tonight. | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:05 Alakaslam wrote: I know why you are pushing scam uamsi. (XD JK) Umasi. Thou hast much defense to enact DO IT NOW O IST SKUM MILK RDO sup GOD OF THE MACHINE. ...sup. still on? Pleas be so I wanna talk wit ya in a time sensitive manner, maphia speed chess, yes? Talk away slam. I will be on for a while. Although no promises of speedy responses. I might play some games of dota. | ||
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Slam are you still suspecting RDO for scum? Don't you think his spike in posts is a reaction to pressure? Also, if Umasi is not scum, then RDO could be taking the opportunity to raise suspicion of Umasi. Slam would you consider scam as more scummy than RDO despite the fact that he is lurking extremely hard and we can't get a good read off of his posts? | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:30 Alakaslam wrote: Yes! So what do you think of who? Have you read Flare? Yes I have read flare's extremely long post. Call me selfish but I wish he would of focused on only a couple people. He has got great analysis and it seems like he wasted some time on smaller suspects (like himself lol). I think he has got some really solid info on u M asi, Gotard, and Night. Ill do my part by researching them too. On a side note, I think it is best to focus on a couple key individuals. Analyzing their associations is great if it helps pin that individual as scum, but otherwise I don't think it is very useful. I am trying not to get bogged down by looking at everyone of suspect all at once. Ill post in detail on scum reads later tonight. | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:46 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: I still don't think the switch is a smart move for a townie. If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? Why take that chance if you don't have foreknowledge. If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? I don't get what you mean. If Umasi was scum there would be no reason to not for reps. Scum knew that reps was not scum before he got lynched right? | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:54 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: He did, which is my point. If reps had still been offed, which was pretty likely at the time, and he were mafia, everything would be on umasi at this point, no? Switching a vote to try to save scum? There are possible town motivations, true, but that seems like a chance not necessarily worth taking from the point of view of the individual player ? You are talking hypothetically if reps flipped red. Can we forget that. There is not hypothetical here. Reps flipped town. He was town and scum knew it. If Umasi was scum why would he switch his vote? | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:54 Alakaslam wrote: NO, SHUT UP FOR A SECOND. Read the quote. Can you please specify who you are talking to? You are hard to follow Slam. Don't just expect people to get what you are talking about. | ||
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On August 03 2013 10:06 Alakaslam wrote: With no intention of switching back whatsoever! Explain yourself please | ||
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On August 03 2013 10:09 Alakaslam wrote: Umasi: Aggressively hates no lynch Switches off reps, but doesn't really push for counter wagon: rather, he goes for no lynch or get Indio as "he is scummier than scam" Night HolyFlare implicates him and dies First thin Umasi does? Vote Indio? NO!! VOTES SCAM! His defenses are NOT making sense. Indio's "pro town post" came after that vote Slam. I have already expressed my suspicion of Umasi many times. Like I said his vote switch in my opinion is a townie move. Could you please address only that. Unless you already did and I missed it. You are hard to follow man. | ||
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On August 03 2013 10:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Saving a townie does offer him some towncred points in a way At any rate, the hypothetical is important in this situation. I'm trying to explore his decision. And if he is town, he made that decision without any foreknowledge, so he would have to consider what happens in both scenarios. A) reps is red and he dies B) reps is green, some towncred, though obviously the suspicion C) reps is saved(unlikely). Given the risk of A happening if he is a unknowing townie, I find it an odd choice to make. Of course, if he is mafia, it's also not the best play for the attention. It still feels scummy to me A bunch of scenarios where Umasi is town? We are talking about if Umasi is scum. He already expressed that he vote switched because he believed reps was a bad town. So situation A, reps flips red, that wouldn't implicate him as scum unless you don't believe that he was being genuine when he said that he thinks reps is town (which is what reps turned out to be). | ||
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On August 03 2013 10:32 Alakaslam wrote: It is because of towncred. A few were voicing concern with the lynch. And it was avoidable. But last minute switches look bad; if he had switched with me, we may have lynched scam, it could have happened. There were a few people uneasy, and they were on reps. If they switched, the wagons would have changed size- drawing reps wagon. But rather, votes Indio. Because there were vocal detractors to that, and no-lynch is better towncred. If we had successfully lynched scam and he was town, it would have implicated Umasi and I, and reps. Since this is a scenario where Umasi is scum, that mean scum is implicated. Don't do it that way then. To just sit on it after having been vocally uneasy looks scummy too. People call it "distancing from the lynch". What else Sorry for tunnel but I have never been so convinced Fair enough. This by far and away the best response to his vote switch yet. I am still not convinced. Look where it got him. If he is scum that vote switch was a really bad and stupid move. It got him way to much attention. | ||
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On August 03 2013 10:30 Umasi wrote: Doesn't even matter, townies like to survive but I have nothing to fear, and I don't play to get towncred. Ageed. Not a bad town play if reps flipped scum. This alone should not dictate whether Umasi gets lynched or not. Why should town care about appearing pro town? If you are town it will show. | ||
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This has been the focus of my analysis after the reps lynch. For this reason alone I no longer suspect that Umasi is scum. I understand that it's not always in the best interest of mafia to blend in. Scum might draw attention to themselves if it means pushing an agenda or causing confusion. My opinion on Umasi is subject to change pending a really strong case against him. I would like to note that he seems overly-defensive at times. See Umasi's post here sc_a.M I think the best thing we can all hope for is a mod kill. I do not believe scam is scum. I read his actions as a complete lack of motivation with regards to this game. He does not even seem like he cares. In no way is he acting like a scum. He is not pushing an agenda, he is not causing confusion, he is not trying to get a townie lynched, and he is not blending in. I do not think we should waste our day 2 lynch on scam. RDaneelOlivaw See my previous post on him here He has become suspiciously active only after he was pressed to post more often. This was his response when I questioned him for lurking at the beginning of the game: On August 03 2013 09:56 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: I decided to actually play the game. Yeah, I can see where its suspicious from your point of view. Once I actually made a couple posts defending myself and started reading the thread more closely I got hooked in I was unsatisfied with this answer. If I can find some additional compelling evidence against him I might press for a RDO lynch day 2. He is trying to blend in, and might be pushing an agenda. Think it's worth looking into. Zyrre I get a scummy vibe off of Zyrre. There is not a lot we can go off of because he has not posted much. He seems to be trying to blend in. He jumped on the wagon against reps offering absolutely nothing to the debate. He has not taken a STRONG stance on anyone at this point. His post regarding infii is hardly worth mentioning. Finally his reason for voting against reps did not seem well thought out, rather it seemed like something he provided to avoid suspicion. Nightcat Nightcat is similar to Zyrre in that he has not contributed much. I only like one post of his here. He has so many pointless 1-2 line posts that really bug me. Seems scummy. He has not taken a strong stance on anyone and seems to regurgitate a lot of info that others share. Seems like a blender. When I have a little more time I am going to go look at his previous mafia games and see if he behaves this way. StimaDDict I don't have much to say about Stim. His posts are absolute garbage. He was very harsh on reps which could have been a tactic to secure the lynch. I will also look into his previous games to see if he behaves this way (if he has any). Gotard Gotard is definately a lurker. He took a bizzare stance against infii. He has not had a whole lot of good posts. Feel like I am just repeating what others have said, but w/e it is the truth. This is actually getting really frustrating at this point. Ughh, moving on. Infii and Umasi have good posts articulating their suspicion of Gotard. They do a hell of a lot better than what I wrote. Honestly, I don't really have anything to add on Gotard. He seems like he is trying to blend in. Umasi's post: here and Infii's here Infii Not going to pursue him right now. He has some strong posts. Seems town at the moment. However, I disagree with his read on Umasi for reason that I already addressed above. I am not looking into anyone I did not cover in this list I plan on spending more time analyzing: 1. Zyrre 2. Nightcat 3.Stim In no particular order. Reads on the individuals I covered tonight 1. Scam - Unmotivated town. Hopefully gets mod killed. Not worth lynching day 2. 2. RDO - Scum. Seems to be attempting to blend in. Active in defending himself. Lurking day 1. 3. Zyrre - Scum or 3rd party. Lack of strong analytical posts. Doesn't really take aggressive stances on anyone. 4. Nighcat - Scum or 3rd party. Similar to Zyrre. 5. Stim - Undecided. Not helping town out at all. 6. Gotard - Scum. For reasons I share with a few others. I realize they all can't be scum. A few of them might be bad townies, or not motivated. A few of them might prove me wrong. Alas, that is undoubtedly one of the reasons this game can be very challenging. Favorites for lynching day 2 RDO, Gotard, and Nightcat/Zyrre As we get closer to the end of day two I will narrow this down. Finally, I copied Flare. All names are links to their filters. | ||
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He is saying that generally speaking mafia try to blend in. More often than not that is their mindset. I would rather use that as a reason to be suspicious then the flip side, mafia being very active and aggressive to appear pro town. Umasi was one of the first ones to vote against reps, you could call that an aggressive play. At times he was one of the most outspoken individuals against reps, and at others he seemed to think reps was just a bad townie. His indecision is not scummy. Rather, it just means he couldn't make up his mind, and rightfully so because reps turned out to be town. In addition, Umasi has done several other things to draw attention to himself, for example, he vote-switched last minute and didn't really give a good reason why, and he has been inconsistent at times. I see this is a townie mindset. Townies are the ones who should be inconsistent right? They are constantly trying to analyze scum reads. Scum reads are highly subject to change. Again, think of the flip side. If you are a scum and you want to push an agenda, maybe even get someone mislynched, what would you have to gain from indecision? Not only would it draw attention to yourself, but it would weaken your agenda. For these reasons, I am not voting against Umasi. I was suspicious of him for early game, yes, but that vote switch got me thinking. The more I thought about the vote switch the more it seemed like a townie thing to do. I realize if Umasi is scum I will be boned, but can you really blame me for thinking this way? If Umasi is scum than maddddd props to him. I have already expressed my suspicion of Gotard. I agree with what others have said. I am not going to make a huge case against him right now because I feel like I would be regurgitating a lot of information. At this point in time he is the best candidate to vote for because he appears scummy and is most likely to be lynched. We can probably count on a Stim vote against him right? | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:16 Zyrre wrote: Also note the difference in DeusX behavior in day 1 and day 2 lynch. Both were unsure lynches until the end. In the first one no mafia was under suspicion, he then posted his aggressive rant about sticking to it and getting a lynch. Today when the alternative is mafia(umasi) he posts an almost unreadable book about umasis innocence. I don't even no way to say Zyrre. Your whole premise is based on Umasi being scum. That is soooooo stupid. What a shitty way to play. This guy MUST be scum. WAT OMG someone is defending him, then he must be SCUM OMG SCUM. Put some real thought into your reads for shits sake. | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:36 Zyrre wrote: No DeusX, if you read my posts you see that my premis is based on you being mafia  .... Do you even read what you write? Your premise is not based on Umasi being scum, rather it is based on me being scum? WATT. Over half of your reason for suspecting me is because I defend Umasi. You think I am mafia because I defend Umasi (who you think is mafia). Ipso facto your premise is based on Umasi being scum. Like I have said before, I was suspicious of Umasi but the more I thought about the vote switch the more I came to realize he is not scum. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:18 Gotard wrote: Do you think they would use it on RDO? I think Umasi was better target for inverting if he's scum. When I did this check I wanted to choose between Umasi, Alakaslam (confusing ppl), infii (my suspect no. 1) and RDO. I decided to use it on RDO because he's spike in activity was super scummy and he didn't do much day 1. He basically sheeped Reps. Gotard A) You don't feel that RDO was a target of a mafia framer B) You checked RDO and he is scum C) WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT GOING AFTER RDO? Why did you not press a harder case against RDO earlier. We can't risk not lynching Gotard. Press him hard gents, press him hard. | ||
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Stim get your ass back here. Support your mason buddy. Vote Gotard. Gotard's claim is bullshit guys. BIG BIG SACK OF BULLSHIT. Push GOTARD!!! GOGOGO | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:31 Zyrre wrote: Yes im here, watching international. Still considering if I want to switch. Right now Zyrre. VOTE. DO IT MAN. He is the only person that we could possibly get a vote on right now. DO NOT RISK NO LYNCH. VOTE against GOTARD RIGHT NOW DAMNIT. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:34 Zyrre wrote: Currently thinking I wont switch. Lynching what I think is town + stim modkilled is game over (3 mafia + 3 town + scam will be left after mafia kills a town during night) Bullshit Zyrre. I call BULLSHIT. VOTE against GOTARD. A no-lynch will hurt us worse. Why? Because gotard's scummy ass will be hanging around for one more night. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:36 Zyrre wrote: Caps isnt really an effective way of arguing with me Deus Who gives a fuck Zyrre? You piece of scum. Vote Gotard! | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:40 Zyrre wrote: I agree it seems odd he didnt press him, then again he didnt post much at all. I don't give a hoot if you agree with me. Vote Gotard and I will be happy. You are shaking in your boots right now Zyrre. Prove me wrong. Vote Gotard. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:45 Zyrre wrote: Because I think you and umasi are mafia, and you wouldnt try to get him lynched then Guys remember this post. Zyrre is total bullshit. I am pressing him so hard for a vote against Gotard and he won't do it. He is suspicious of me because I started to defend Umasi? He thinks Gotard is town because he thinks Umasi and I are mafia? Total bullshit. He has not good reasons and it is become increasingly apparent. He is pushing an agenda. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:48 Gotard wrote: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE GOTARD What the fuck Gotard. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:50 Zyrre wrote: Well, I dont see a reason for me to change to Gotard. If I switch: if he is town as I believe + stim gets modkilled game is over. If I dont switch: 3 mafia, 4 town + scam will be left You just said that. Don't need to hear it again Zyrre. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:50 Umasi wrote: Slow down there deus, it's not set in stone gotard would flip scum. Zyrre holding out like a retard is similar to what I did, except I had to afk immediately afterward. Admittedly, this time during lynch period is really shaking my views of him, and if gotard flips scum I'll reconsider my read on Zyrre. Someone needs to fucking vote swap dammit. No don't worry Umasi. Gotard vote swapped himself. | ||
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Last ditch effort. Can't count on Gotard to vote himself. This is all he has got left to try and prove his innocence. Stim and RDO we still need you. OMG if I am wrong on this I will be in a world of shit. Gotard is scum. Vote Gotard. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:18 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: FUCK. I was at the card shop for a magic sealed event and my phone died, which is why I couldn't switch when we went for gotard. Sorry guys, yes that looks scummy as hell. As for why I stayed on Umasi earlier--we had 3? votes for him and there was no real consensus, I just didn't switch bc it to seemed silly to just keep throwing around the vote until we had decided who to knock out....is what it is, not much else I can say. Obviously you all will still be suspicious, not much else I can do besides playing well from here on out anyway....I'll go back through again and read the last pages, see what happened You should try and make a good case against Zyrre. | ||
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Zyrre I am extremely suspicious of Zyrre because... His Mentatlity: This is my interpretation of Zyrre's mentality throughout this game. I aim to prove he is thinking like a mafioso. In a way this serves as an introduction to the topics that follow. Starting here. This is Zyrre's first significant post. It seems like he wants to get in on the reps discussion without having to contribute much. Currently there is 1 vote against reps, things are still undecided, and Zyrre takes a relatively strong stance against him. He says, "seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best". Furthermore, he discusses 3 other people in the post, but comes to useless conclusions on them. I interpret this as a way for him to blend in. Furthermore, this post coupled with later posts hints at his agenda. Moving on. This is his next significant post here. Notice the consistency. Light suspicion on Umasi and a scum read on Reps. Seems like he is pushing an agenda. Also he decides to hold off on voting against reps until he hears from other people (don't know how to interpret that right now). He follows up with a useless 3 posts in an effort to contribute. Next substantial post here. This is a great post for interpretation purposes. Notice how he tries to draw attention away from scam (a confirmed mafioso). Furthermore, he starts to target infii (pretty much confirmed town). Stays consistent on reps stance. Stays consistent on Umasi suspicion. Furthermore, he doesn't target me because he is taking a similar stance against Reps. This post is followed by a ton of useless ones. He never expresses real concern for scam. He has not been right with his suspicions at all at this point, and his reasons for suspecting people are garbage. What happened after the reps lynch? I come under light suspicion. Zyrre uses this opportunity to make a stance against me here. At this point he has aimed no suspicion at Gotard and Scam (his scum buddies). To me this really seems like he is pushing an agenda. A huge part of this post is devoted to calling me scum because I defend Umasi. He never expresses solid reasons on why he thinks Umasi is scum, rather he simply jumps on the bandwagon. At this point I believe he aims to cause a little chaos by trying to provide a potential lynch target to distract from the attention on Gotard. He covers himself on Umasi so that he can switch if he wants and avoid suspicion. A lot more crappy posts leading up to the lynch. Again, notice how consistent he is. Even after vote switching Umasi he still pressures me. His reasons for suspecting me and Umasi are absolute shit, but he wants to secure a Umasi lynch. Absolutely no comments on Gotard or Scam at this point. Look at some of the posts pre lynch when he talks to Gotard asking him to switch his vote to Umasi. Seems really fake to me but maybe I am over analyzing things. OK things are getting good. He becomes oddly quiet with about an hour left till lynch. At this point I start pressuring him hard for a vote against Gotard and he is SOOOOO RESISTENT. Everyone who shares my suspicion should read all of those posts pre-lynch. I ask him why he won't vote against Gotard and he gives a HORRIBLE reason. He doesn't vote switch Gotard until the last fucking minute. Tries to save himself at this point. Shortly after lynch he starts defending himself starting [b]here. This is a defense in disguise. He tries to show his willingness to contribute by immediately posting two additional scum reads. LOL. Everyone is simmering down from the Gotard lynch except Zyrre. This is getting pretty long. That is not really what I had in mind for the first big paragraph, but I am short on time. Sorry I could not do a more in-depth read. Moving on. Also, I apologize for the spelling and grammar mistakes. I did not proof this. Behavior during the Reps lynch: Extremely consistent on his opinion against reps. Votes against the main lynch target much earlier. Lightly places suspicion on others but doesn't really deviate his focus much from reps. Behavior during the Gotard lynch: Completely different. His fellow scum is being lynched so he focus on others. Tries to draw attention away from the Gotard lynch. Does not focus on the main lynch target, rather focuses on candidates that are in no danger of being lynched. He is trying to get a no-lynch at this point, and we come dangerously close. Pushing an agenda: Zyrre is very consistent on his targets. Suspected Umasi early and pressed him right up until the Gotard lynch. Doesn't focus any of his attention on Gotard or Scam. Plays on the infii suspicion. Plays on the Deus suspicion. Definitely pushing an agenda. Blending in: Lurks at the beginning. Chimes in on the reps debate but offers nothing new. Contributes nothing to the Umasi debate. Very low key until he takes a stance against me. Contributed a shit ton more in day 2 when his buddy was in danger of being lynched. Nighcat and RDO. Both have not been very active although RDO has been making an attempt. I am not super suspicious of RDO because Gotard tried to target him. At one point in time RDO, Gotard, and Zyrre were the votes against Umasi, and then Gotard votes RDO saying he was checked and returned scum? Nope, Why would he target a fellow scum like that? He just as easily could have said he target me and I was scum. I don't think RDO is scum. Nightcat could possibly be scum although he voted against Gotard pretty definitively. I think it is also unlikely. However, RDO and Night could be using some bizarre tactics so it is worth looking into them. Sorry if that was a little unclear. [b]Favorites for lynching day 3: In order 1: Zyrre 2. Nightcat99 3. RDO I plan on exploring all 3 candidates more extensively if I live. | ||
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On August 06 2013 05:29 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE RDO I have stronger townreads on deus and slam, stim is confirmed town, nightcat is probably confirmed town, so he's the odd one out. Will go take a longer look though. I think it has got to be RDO man. Nightcat is 100 percent confirmed town. Both you and slam voted with infii pretty early on Gotard. You even seemed like you wanted a scam lynch at one point. RDO is the only one that didn't vote against Gotard. He was absent pre-lynch. He lurked hard at the beginning of the game. I think I over-thought my Zyrre read way to much. This seems simple though. It has got to be RDO. ##Vote RDaneelOlivaw | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:31 Gotard wrote: I'm cop. Checked RDO and he's scum. This is the only thing that throws me off. However, in a way it makes sense. Gotard feels he is going to be lynched. In his last moments he says this to throw town off the tail of RDO. | ||
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On August 06 2013 05:43 Umasi wrote: nightcat is just confirmed not scum, could still be sk. Won't pursue that avenue of logic atm :< it's not relevant Oh my bad you're right. | ||
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On August 06 2013 05:43 Umasi wrote: nightcat is just confirmed not scum, could still be sk. Won't pursue that avenue of logic atm :< it's not relevant Actually just found this: the Sk "can and must kill one person every night". He can't be sk. | ||
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On August 06 2013 05:40 DeusXmachina wrote: I think it has got to be RDO man. Nightcat is 100 percent confirmed town. Both you and slam voted with infii pretty early on Gotard. You even seemed like you wanted a scam lynch at one point. RDO is the only one that didn't vote against Gotard. He was absent pre-lynch. He lurked hard at the beginning of the game. I think I over-thought my Zyrre read way to much. This seems simple though. It has got to be RDO. ##Vote RDaneelOlivaw Uggh I fucking suck at this game. I shouldn't be so hasty to vote RDO. He did take a pretty convincing stance against Gotard. However he ultimately move on to Umasi and didn't end up voting against Gotard. On August 06 2013 06:15 Nightcat99 wrote: anyway i am going to vote #RDaneelOlivaw Nightcat99 can you elaborate on stance against RDO. I think I might be biased because of my early suspicion of him. | ||
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On August 07 2013 13:33 Umasi wrote: Here is my thought dump: If RDO is scum, then this game is probably over, but if the game continues for whatever reason, here's where I think we should go. If he flips scum, I think it's an easy nightcat lynch, because nightcat has claimed vigilante and there has been no counterclaim (if you're the actual vigilante, counterclaim now). If he flips town/third party, I think Alakaslam is then the correct lynch, for a couple of compounding reasons. He's been following thread consensus basically all game, see his vote on RDO, following pressure on Gotard and me, following my lead on pressuring deus early game, and has brought little to town that was original. Basically, he just shouts a lot and looks townie doing so, and he's certainly not who I'd have pegged as scum this game, but the other options are A: Nightcat (who is pretty solid town atm) and Deus. I don't think deus is the scum because he was super hard pressuring gotard, and defended me really hard, and I can't see the scum motivation for defending me. They'd rather just try to shove a mislynch on me, the way the game was going. So him DEFENDING me instead makes me think he's town. Slam also distanced himself from reps and got a free pass for helping hammer because the attention was on me for pulling off, but he pretty blatantly thought reps was town, and then hid behind my play, so it was like "meh, he was covering for Umasi it's all k" I guess the big thing about slam is he's AROUND a lot, and he POSTS a lot, but I don't think he's CONTRIBUTED a lot. Another note, he hasn't been posting the "if I die" reads. Lots of players haven't, so this isn't conclusive, but you'd think that as a vanilla town, he would post them, especially because he has been "such a likely nightkill target all game" in his own words. People, talk. The games not won yet :< I concur. Want me to look into Slam? My real quick thoughts: It seems like his indecision over reps was genuine, and I still don't think a vote switch is a scummy thing to do. In addition, he voted against Gotard pretty early. On the other hand, he posts a lot of bullshit nonsensical stuff. It makes him really hard to read because that seems like his personality. Not only has he not done any if-I-die posts, but he has not really had any large analysis posts which is scummy. If you can't tell by now I could go either way on him. A lot of people seemed confident that he is town so I never really pushed it. Ill be happy to look into him though. | ||
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I came to these counts: Defends himself: 12 times Plays newb card: 4 times Gives excuses: 3 times Sometimes they are really subtle and easy to miss. Those counts are not 100 percent accurate. It is also worth mentioning that he apologizes a ton. Here are some great examples: 1. We haven't seen a ton of substance from you yet (oh yes I'm totally a hypocrite): Newb card 2. My main point is I think he's just a bad player who has no clue what the hell he's doing. Like me!!!: Newb card 3. just a couple of hours after I really started playing last night: defends himself 4. As you can see I've been trying to pick up my posting in the past couple of pages. Started slow obviously. Newb and also kinda defense 5. As a note to all parties, I will be offline from now until tomorrow evening again...so ask any last questions about my innocence within the next fifteen minutes or hang on to them for a while.: defends himself 6. That's part of it for sure...I also was busy with work, and this is my first game, so I'm just getting into it. : WOW excuse, noob, and defends himself 7. I'm new to this game too, I'm not going to play it perfectly. But I'm going to play the damn thing now, not just sit on my hands.: Newb 8. FUCK. I was at the card shop for a magic sealed event and my phone died, which is why I couldn't switch when we went for gotard. Sorry guys, yes that looks scummy as hell.: Excuse and preemptively defending himself. Wow maybe there was more newb cards then I thought. Also he drops the Umasi suspicion before the lynch and doesn't vote switch. Ill brb with that info. | ||
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On August 04 2013 04:07 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Gotard's vote totally fucked up where I thought this game was going....so much for them working together like it seemed imo. Time to reevaluate. My suspicions remain on usami for now, but I'm going to go back and do some reevaluating , I think scam just doesn't give a fuck. If you look at this post history you can see he's been on TL a lot fairly recently, if he we're mafia he'd probably be getting a lot of pressure from his team to post. Still hard to tell though obviously since he's done nothing. He doesn't seem to responding to the pressure he's gotten, so there more's not much we can do Anyway, more to come This is really bizarre. He is suspicious of an Umasi/Gotard pair. Before this he made a pretty convincing case against Gotard (convincing in that it seemed genuine) declaring that he thought Gotrad was scum. Gotard votes Umasi and RDO doesn't vote switch? What!? A huge part of his suspicion of Umasi was because of his scum read on Gotard. Why would he not vote Gotard when the pair distanced themselves. | ||
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On August 04 2013 23:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Umasi's done a ok job of defending himself imo, agree with you on that slam. Pressure successful. Gotard next. Would you mind cutting down on the random stuff in your posts slam? Makes it harder to go through the thread yo. You're a solid town read and its just your style, but burying the thread in fluff helps the scum anyway by diluting the useful info My reads thus far Slam- town - Stim and infii -town- I'm accepting the mason act for now, still a little suspicious of that early behavior from stim but w/e - infii seems like a lock to me, so stim by extension Zyree- mild town read off of him, but now he's stopped posting...I'll give him a little more time but thats scummy if it continues nightcat-not a lot of great posts, but he does seem to be trying to build a pro-town atmosphere. Good enough for me atm scam- god knows what he is. May he rot in a particularly scummy mafia hell Umasi- scum by extension--more suspicious of him because of Gotard and Deus- still just have a scummy feel from him Gotard- scum- my reasoning hasn't changed Deus- scummy--mostly because of the way he handled his "suspicions" of umasi - he stated that he suspected him several times throughout the early game but never elaborated on that suspicion--basically, enough to make me think that the suspicion may only be a show...his reasoning for dropping it, as zyree pointed out, is very weak. And then this. Last post before lynch. He claims he is going to move on from Umasi to Gotard but doesn't vote switch. Why would he not vote switch at this very moment? Totes scum. I think we nailed him. | ||
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On August 08 2013 12:11 Umasi wrote: Also, what makes deus a better lynch than you? That's what you have to convince me. And I'm not leaning too far scum on you :< I want a better reason than "well I am scummy but YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME" because deus could just go say something identical and we'd be back at square one. At this point it doesn't seem like he can answer that. The fact of the matter is, I am not a better lynch than then slam. Like, what do these posts say exactly? Nothing! Pointless spam! here here He has been posting shit like this all game. Somewhere in his 18 page filter of spam might be some indication that he is that last scum, and I aim to prove that. Want to know what is going through my mind right now? Alakaslam or Umasi, which one is it? Somewhere in those filters is the answer, and Ill be damned if I don't find out. | ||
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On August 09 2013 06:52 Alakaslam wrote: Dude wait look at hte vote thread Deus not vote Gotard till last minute Infii die next night right? ##Vote DeusXmachina Slam this is ludacris. Did you even read the thread? Do you know how dangerously close we came to a no-lynch. We couldn't rely on Gotard to vote himself (he changed last minute). The only thing that saved us was Zyrre/Stim vote at the absolute last minute. I pressed the Gotard vote extremely hard. I did everything I could to try and get Zyrre to switch his vote. Do your research before you post shit like this. | ||
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On August 09 2013 07:39 Alakaslam wrote: Well then what, is Umasi the scum? And you skip my pushing of Umasi- was I right back then? All I know is that I am vt, stim is conf. town, and you were very late to actually vote Gotard. I am on such a slow connection for switching pages that I can't look through filters or even the thread ATM because I am also supposed to be digging holes. Well Slam like I have said multiple times, I am going to look into you both, and not let my bias effect my analysis. | ||
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On August 09 2013 08:44 Umasi wrote: Deus, don't focus on defending yourself, focus on slam and me. I've said this a lot, the best way to be townie is to find and kill scum (imo) so instead of telling us the scumhunt is inc and then not scumhunting, go scumhunt. for realz. I will. Big post coming tonight. At this point though, when stim is confirmed town, defending yourself is not totally useless. Eliminates 1/3. Mainly, I just wanted to point out that slams reasons for voting me are really weak. I guess he voted me before filter diving though. | ||
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On August 09 2013 13:22 Alakaslam wrote: ^^ see am I only contradictory person in thread? No. I was being sarcastic | ||
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Allignment: Town Overview: 1. Contributes and offers new ideas 2. Does not actively try to blend in 3. Has taken strong stances, points fingers, and has not been indecisive 4. Voting patterns 1. Contributes Throughout this game Umasi has been legitimately contributing and posting new ideas. For example, Umasi was the first person to suspect me because of my early aggression on reps. In this post he expresses his suspicion and backs up his claim with reasons. As the game progressed he made other contributions. He was one of the first ones to make a case against infii, and he was the main advocate of lynching scam. He eventually moved on to Gotard here. Yes, he was not the first one to join the debate but his Gotard post did offer some new ideas and brought up key points. In addition, Umasi has been doing night posts. He has been taking the time to look into everyone and post town reads or scum reads. Finally, He was one of the main contributors on the case against Zyrre and RDO. 2. Does not actively try to blend in This is one of my main reasons for dropping suspicion on Umasi earlier in this game. His vote switch (more on that later) risked a potential no-lynch. This is NOT a scum thing to do. Umasi came under fire because of his vote switch and that is the last thing scum would want. Again, like I talked about in the previous paragraphs, Umasi has contributed new ideas and taken strong stances (more on that later). Strong stances made him stick out. He was very vocal about lynching scam and stuck to his guns for a long time on infii. Furthermore, members of this game thought Umasi was mafia due to his association with Gotard. Again, this did not help Umasi blend in. Why would a scum make a strong connection with someone who is suspected of being scum? 3. Points fingers, Strong Stances, and Decisive As you are beginning to see, a lot of these ideas go together, but each of them are unique in their own right. The culmination of all these factors is why I do not suspect that Umasi is the final scum. He takes strong stances. Great examples of this are his infii stance, his scam stance, and later in the game his RDO and Zyrre stances. He does not back down and is not easily swayed. Look at how long it took him to be convinced that Infii was town. He is decisive. Now it is easy to say well his vote switch was not a decisive thing to do. However, quite the contrary. A great example of this IS his reps vote switch. He made up his mind (reps is not scum) switched his vote with the best intentions of town in mind and stuck with it. 4. Voting The reps vote switch was not a scummy thing to do. He voted against scam at one point and voted pretty early against Gotard. Finally, he was one of the first ones to vote against Zyrre and RDO, and was the first one to make a vote in this final day. His voting patterns are consistent with his play style and reads (exemplifies his decisiveness and strong stances). For these reasons I DO NOT believe that Umasi is the final scum. To reiterate he has contributed with logical thought out ideas, he has been active and has not blended in. Umasi has been decisive, he has taken strong stances, and his voting patterns reflect this. At this point in time I am convinced that Slam is the final scum. Stim, if you read this post hopefully it convinces you (if you need convincing) that Umasi is not the final scum. A lot of these points that I addressed are from the General Guide to Mafia. Before I even started looking at Umasi's filter I went in unbiased analyzing his posts from a scum perspective and town perspective. It became evident that he was not acting like a scum. This leads me to my next post. I will be filter diving Slam and looking at similar key scum factors. If you would like me to elaborate or offer more examples on any of the key points that I brought up let me know. | ||
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Over the next day and a half I plan to work on convincing the rest of you guys that Slam is scum. In order to do this I will elaborate on the points I discuss tonight as well as offer more examples of what I am talking about. This serves as a introduction to what we should all explore in the next couple days. Lets begin. Allignment: Scum Overview: 1. Weak contributor and does not offer new ideas 2. Blends in with town 3. Does not take strong stances and is indecisive 4. Voting patterns These actions are all scummy. As you may have noticed I am arguing the opposite points as I brought up on Umasi. I aim to prove that Slam is the last scum. If you would like me to elaborate on any of these points or offer more examples let me know. For the record I read all of slam's filter. 1. Contributions? Hardly Slam has been playing a game of deception. It is almost astonishing to think about, but he IS the last Scum. Well why is it astonishing you ask? Simple. His massive amounts of posts have fooled everyone. He made it seem like he was contributing all the while in that 20 page filter of his was absolutely nothing of value. I implore you to look at how often he simply quotes something, offers nothing of value after the quote, and moves on. This is his first noteworthy post. Guys this is on filter page 13 and he started the game on 3. He went 10 fucking pages without contributing a damn. He slid through the ENTIRE reps lynch without offering anything. He frequently says things like "DEFEND YOURSELF". What does that offer? So often he quotes and says something stupid afterwards. What does THAT offer? Absolutely nothing. (Sidenote: there is so many examples of this stuff that I am not going to put them here. Please read his filter to see what I am talking about. Like I said I will happily generate specifics to make my point. This is just the beginning.) He votes Gotard but give almost no reason why. He does not make a strong stance against Gotard to explain his vote. Not only that but he is extremely indecisive over his Gotard vote (more on that later). Finally he does not contribute to the Zyrre discussion, and he does not contribute to the RDO discussion. In his 20 page filter he maybe has less 2 or 3 valuable posts. 2. Blends in with the town? How obvious is this now that we are all thinking about it. The only thing that sets Slam apart is his wacky posts. But slam has gone completely uncontested, unnoticed. He has masterfully faked contribution. He has overloaded us with posts. He has bandwagoned on all of his votes and decisions. All for what? To appear town. It is clear to me now that Slam has been merely blending in. I think the reason so many of us overlooked it was because of his wacky posts. Slam never stickes himself out there. Has he ever been the first to take a stance against someone? NO. Has he ever been the first one to contribute new ideas? NO. Has he ever stuck his neck out there, had some really controversial opinions? NO NO and NO. He has been blending in this entire game. 3. Indecisive must be his middle name Slam is very indecisive. IF you don't see this as a scummy thing go read part of the General Guide to Mafia. The best example of this is his vote against Gotard. He votes Gotard, unvotes, votes Umasi, unvotes, and finally votes Gotard again. Same thing with reps. Votes me, unvotes me, votes reps, unvotes reps, votes scam unvotes scam, votes reps. Look how indecisive this guy is being! It is absolutely ludacris. It goes to show that he is not taking strong stances against anyone. Slam has not taken a strong stance on anyone (p.s I know these transitions are painful, but who gives a fuck. I am not writing an essay here). Seriously! Go find me one example of a strong stance? He has none. He didn't have a good case against me (lol at the kenpachi rule), he didn't have a strong case against reps, he didn't have a strong case against Gotard, or Scam, or RDO, or Zyrre, or ... You get the point. NOBODY! He doesn't take a strong stance against ANYONE. More examples of this to come. A great example of his indecision is when he talks about reps in some of his posts. 4. Voting patters I have already talked about this prior to this paragraph but let me summarize why his voting patterns are weird. He switches his vote a lot. He is one of the last ones to vote reps. He tags along with almost all of his other votes. Votes Gotard again after unvoting him. Votes RDO and Zyrre after others voted against them. His voting patterns exemplify his indecision. I think there is a lot more that can be said about Slam. HE IS THE FINAL SCUM. If you don't believe me now I will spend the next day and half trying to convince you. I only wish I would have realized this earlier. Like I said, I can give a lot of examples when we get deeper into this discussion. | ||
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And last but certainly not least. Slam you fooled us before, but no longer! The gig is up. ##Vote Alakaslam | ||
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I can't sleep so I decided to post more. Slam Stats: Post count from start of game: 337 Number of posts that are similar to this 150/337 (that is rounding down to give him the benefit of the doubt) Number of posts that contain a quote and nothing else: 3/337 Number of posts that contain one line of utter non-contribution (not including a quote if it is in the post): 90/337 (Again massive round down) Number of posts containing pointless videos or pictures: 14/337 This may seem exaggerated but sadly it is not. The point is, slam has contributed very very little. He spent all this time giving us a delightful 337 posts, wonderful videos, quoting half of the thread, writing one line non-sense, but NOT contributing. | ||
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On August 09 2013 13:50 Alakaslam wrote: How did you know/why did you think this was townie when others did not? Btw Umasi. We are three of us stumbling around like drunks. Who is acting... See we are all inconsistent! And, well, townie looking o_O Vets probably tearing hair out seeing right through scum... This is almost as mind killing for me as NWM... But augh, this is so town! Again don't read between my lines, but why would scum reps need to bounce back/no hard feelings? If he was scum shouldn't we expect him to totally understand we were doing our job lynching him? But town reps would be the one who needed consolation, right? Just looks- note I admit only LOOKS- like Svengali play, TO ME. I want to break this post down point by point. It is one of slams more recent and longer posts. 1. First quote. He follows it up with a question. This contributes nothing. If he was town wouldnt he want to back this up with solid reasoning. For example, "Deus is scummy because he is defending Umasi". You guys can see how this is totally irrelevant now right? 2.Second quote. After the quote he contributes literally nothing. He says some bullshit about stumbling around like drunks and the vets probably pulling their hair out. Why would he even quote me if he is just going to spout some fluff afterwards? He has been doing this all game. 3. Third quote. "But augh, this is so town!" Are you kidding me? You are trying to make a case against me dude!. Why would you bring up a quote just to say. Augghhh this is so town. Why wont you take a strong stance on anyone Slam? 4. Forth quote. Tops it all off with something that hardly makes sense. | ||
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On August 09 2013 22:19 Alakaslam wrote: Make sure my filter AND the vote thread are read. Wasn't absent, and voted Gotard long before you. To clarify for everyone. I was saying that Slam was absent at lynch time with the exception of reps. In the moments before the Gotard lynch we heard nothing from him. I guess Zyrre is irrelevant seeing as how he was not lynched. In the moments before RDO we heard nothing from him. This is especially weird because he is one of the most frequent posters. Went back and looked at the time. Absent 2+ hours before the RDO lynch and absent roughly 4 1/2 hours before the Gotard lynch. This brings up another interesting point. Slam has not been aggressive in getting any lynches. | ||
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On August 10 2013 02:47 Alakaslam wrote: Well done scum, Umasi not willing to read and who can blame him. I cant spend much more time as I'm back in AZ or I am serious, I would work harder. I formally apologize to reps, for not sticking to my guns To RDO, for tunneling To the rest if town, for not playing 100% these last moments. I have to work though and can't filter dive. I had to drive back to ca for a number of reasons and couldn't get much done even with my PC. Forming big cases not my thing all will see and I apologize for that too. What happened to going down fighting? What happened to not going down like RDO? Fight damnit! If you are town prove it. | ||
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My quick thoughts: He had no intention of keeping his vote off a reps. Tries to swoop in and save the day by vote switching at the end to appear pro town. He takes a strong stance against Umasi to distract from the Gotard lynch or to try and lynch Umasi. He abandoned Umasi when it became apparent that Gotard will be the primary lynch candidate, and vote switches Gotard to appear pro town. Furthermore, he saw that RDO was almost certainly going to be lynched and does not get involved. He plays the waiting game knowing that town is killing off one of their own. | ||
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On August 10 2013 04:23 Alakaslam wrote: Wait Wait Umasi you should remember this. What do you call a strong stance? This is a strong stance and this is not Stop cherry-picking mistakes. | ||
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On August 10 2013 08:57 Alakaslam wrote: So stim, I couldn't premeditate anything. I just don't have the investment to do that unless I'm scum. So I'm not really good at this, but I need to help you (and maybe Umasi) narrow this down. I am not scum. I have a very free flowing town style, and I am a person who is flawed and changeable; hence, I am not wholly consistent in everything I do, like all of us. Deus has been claiming to be missing facts about my play but actually he is altering them. I don't really have a right to say whether or not that is scum agenda, or simple gut bias, but one or the other is happening. You are confirmed town- that is all very well; but what do you think, if I went all deus on you do you think I could paint you scummy and convince Umasi of it (if he didnt know better)? What would you do to defend yourself if I did? See because you haven't been very active in the thread, you know, totes proof you are trying to blend in. Also you haven't really aggressively pushed any lynches, have you? In fact, the one key difference between us is my jokes and vids. And what lynches has Umasi pushed? Totes scum yo, by all your reasoning the only town in the thread is DeusXmachina! ... So what say you all. Can you give us specific examples of the facts I am altering. You don't have a very free flowing town style. Your complete lack of contributions this game speaks more to your alignment than your "style of posting". You may have a free flowing style, but this game it is certainly not town. | ||
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On August 10 2013 09:34 Alakaslam wrote: Oh by the way, did you remember I wanted to avoid exposing you as cop at the time, right? So why would I tell town in case of this scenario (not knowing it was MYLO) "well folks I feel like the game is solved, deus is pretty solid town and stim/ nightcat confirmed, and I think Umasi cop slipped so all is cool, lynch RDO!"? No. And this won't make sense but remember I am hearkening back to mindsets to try and make sense of my own posting. Things have developed since RDO lynch. What is this cop bs that you keep talking about. Show us where Umasi slipped it. | ||
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On August 10 2013 12:50 Alakaslam wrote: Notice this, bringing it up as it is the most condensed case. All of these things are true. You know what? I was in an offsite game once. I'm gonna have to use it as it affected the way I approach the game and reminds me of a point y'all just aren't seeing. Bak to the offsite game. I understood the thread a lot better, and was kind of quiet compared to usual (I still double posted and said I thought x was scum and nobody could convince me otherwise but hey) I knew the first lynch would be a mislynch, didn't know why he was being lynched but didn't fight it. I then was able to see how motives are formed sometimes, and one guy I knew well started to his randomly say I was scum and push lynching me. In fact he started this day 1, nobody listened to him. When I was nk'ed, he got a ton of towncred and could push any lynch he wanted practically but he was also taken out eventually. What was my alignment? How about the other guy? How does this relate to this game? Hopefully you guys can see that this post is pointless. Slam does this a lot. Who is he making a case against again? Oh right me! Why is he quoting Umasi and talking about him? It is completely irrelevant if you are trying to build a case against me. Slam does this sort of thing to appear like he contributing. He is trying to appear pro town. Pointless quote and useless followup. He still has not made a strong case against me. Ill say it again, he has been cherry picking town mistakes because he can't build a solid case. | ||
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On August 10 2013 12:38 Alakaslam wrote: Holy balls looking for the "cop slip" ran across this, I totally missed this post at the time. if I was gone 40 hours in a row I didn't realize it, that must have been a time when work picked up- e.g. People hating mad at me in Washington or something. I am still looking for the "cop slip" Another great example. Why did you quote here just to say "I totally missed this post"? What the fuck. Do you have something to say about it? | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:14 Alakaslam wrote: I quoted it because it Summs up the false point of view quite nicely. I can't call you a liar, but nothing short of proving that you are would work would it? So why the hell are we even playing- just give the game to DeusX, as frankly he deserves it! He has fought through absolutely crummy odds. But there is this Deus plays just like my old Godfather. You have nothing to back up shit like this. You never give us examples or solid analysis. Slam, please show us your best contribution in the first 10 pages of your filter and tell us why it is pro town. | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:24 StiMaDDict wrote: As of right now, I'm willing to vote Deus. Stim why would you vote me? | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:24 Alakaslam wrote: Nope, it doesn't exist congrats. Our definitions of pro-town are different. Indeed mine is changing. My whole attempts at clearing myself are town. I can't just freaking pull stuff out of my ass. I painted myself into a corner. I'm only still playing because it would be jackass of me to give up. Show us what you think is your best contribution then and tell us why it is pro town/ a noteworthy contribution. | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:39 Alakaslam wrote: Look. Have you been playing a good game or haven't you? You have said you weren't. I never said I was. Now I think you would say you have been playing a good game. I AM WELL AWARE I HAVEN'T DONE WHAT YOU ALL CALL CONTRIBUTING. However, I am technically contributing right now! I could have given up like I basically did at noon. But... I am contributing as I know how. Would you please show us your best contribution in the first 10 pages of your filter. I does not matter if I think it is a good contribution. Please explain why it is a good contribution (in your opinion) and why it is pro town (in your opinion). If you are town and you have not given up you should be able to do this. | ||
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It is interesting that you point to this one out. Maybe because it involves you distancing yourself from scum? This is a very weak pro town post. I would argue that it is not even pro town. Scam was not a viable candidate to be lynched. You did not back this vote switch up with any reasoning. You did not even try to counter wagon. Instead last minute you switched your vote to "help town secure the lynch". Why were you not more aggressive against scam if you believed he was scum? Why did you not push for a scam vote? | ||
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On August 11 2013 02:50 StiMaDDict wrote: ##Vote: Deus Why stim? Please give us reasons! | ||
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On August 11 2013 03:01 StiMaDDict wrote: Because infi voted Gotard first, then Alakaslam and Umasi, then Deus. It's you Umasi or Deus. And you voted him last.... | ||
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vs. Someone who has not contributed? Someone who HAS been blending in (no one has targeted slam till now)? Someone who is inconsistent and indecisive? Someone who repeats what others say? Someone who is not aggressive? Stim please! Think about this. My aggression is not scummy. I have taken very strong stances. I have put myself out there. If you vote slam we win today. Why has slam tried to appear so active, all the while not helping town? | ||
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On August 11 2013 04:43 StiMaDDict wrote: gg wp, guys. Hardest game I've played so far. Being blue is not that fun, rather confusing and stressful. I'm scum btw + Show Spoiler + jk XD I don't know how this compares to other games because this is my first one. All I know is this game can be very challenging. GG | ||
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