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On August 01 2013 08:13 Holyflare wrote:
I have also asked him several times for proper reads (others have too) and he has yet to contribute. Quite frankly the fact that he is drawing this much discussion to himself and away from the real scum (if he is a so called townsman) is grounds enough for me to vote him off. We have the ability to mislynch a few times anyway and so his flip could be useful or it could not, but it eliminates a volatile bad town/scum from the game.
That is such a good point holy. A lynch day 1 is important. If we are going to lynch anyone day 1 lets make it reps. Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point. We need to play to win not to coddle reps' feelings.
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On August 01 2013 08:13 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:09 DeusXmachina wrote:
Also a message to anyone hesitant about voting reps:
I get that newbie players are going to make mistakes, hell just look at my first pointless posts in this game (first every mafia posts), but don't you think it is kind of odd that he as already stated multiple times that he has been reading guides? It is definitely odd that after so much ridicule (sorry reps) that he still seems hesitant to contribute. Food for thought. I am very VERY odd. Odd =\= scum and there is my reservation. He isn't quite so scummy but he is on a knife. Stray either way and totes scum 2me.
His actions are odd and his posts are odd. You are just odd in general Alakaslam. I think there is a clear difference in this case. I am dead serious.
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Why would you consider me Umasi? Do you think I am scummy? What is scummy about my actions?
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Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing.
On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
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Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
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This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me.
Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions.
If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him.
I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above.
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On August 01 2013 15:38 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote:Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
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Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
A: This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above. Why are you preemptively defending yourself? reps hasn't flipped yet, and you think he's scum. Hell, that entire post, ALL of it, is written on the contingency that reps is town. You read as unsure whether to proceed with the lynch because you're worried about the possible aftermath as it concerns you, not because you might be mislynching a townie. I don't want to talk about you too much, because reps is more important to clear up first. Like, you can feel free to keep pushing yourself into the issue, but that's just counterproductive, because if reps flips scum (like we think he will) I'm not voting you ANYWAY.
Over half of that post was taking about how we can move forward. As we get closer to lynching time we can learn something from peoples votes. That was the point I was making. OF COURSE it was written on the contingency that reps flips town. Did you want me to add a part about if reps flips scum? Okay here it is: If reps flips scum we can look at who was hesitant to vote against him (is that even a good read? scum might have just sacked him as a lost cause). I was trying to discuss what could happen in the near future, because lets be honest, however unlikely, reps can still flip town, right? I didn't think I needed to address what would happen if reps flipped scum, thought that was pretty obvious. Furthermore, a lot of my post was under the assumption that reps gets lynched, as in I am hoping reps get lynched because this is what we can learn from the lynching. How does that come across as unsure whether to proceed with lynching reps?
Umasi I asked you earlier why you thought I was scum, which is perfectly reasonable because I am one of the most pro town people here, and your answer was poor. I was simply addressing that. That's hardly inserting myself into the issue. Didn't I preface that paragraph with, "Umasi this is directed at you"? I am suspicious of you because you have this notion that I am scummy.
I am trying not to focus 100 percent of my attention on reps, because there is a lot that can be learned from other people in this game at the moment.
On August 01 2013 17:13 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 10:03 Nightcat99 wrote:
Gotard needs to explain the vote on infil.
When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step. Look at that post: Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote:
I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?) This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy? Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people. Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people?
I agree with Gotard on several points here. Pressuring someone is a great way to get information. Also, I think you have a good read on infii. Posting just to say he will not contribute that much day one because there is not enough information is total BS, seems pretty scummy. Also infii does come across as pretty neutral. I don't get why you would want to stay neutral if you're townie. It is almost like being a townie but trying to hide. Townies should be fearless. Going to keep an eye on infii.
Finally, some quick thoughts on reps. Sadly I think he is making a very poor case of why we should keep him around. Are we supposed to hope that he is going to get better as the game progresses? Like holy said, lets lynch him already. He is not an asset. If we are going to lynch anyone day one lets make it scummy scummy reps.
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Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. This is a game. Play to win. Reps will bounce back, no hard feelings.
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On August 02 2013 04:22 Nightcat99 wrote:
If Umasi posted something like this 5 to 6 hour ahead i would have been happy to consider a switch , because rep although scummy is no way on top of my radar, and i have stated before that a scum will have a scum team with coach and there is no way they would play like this.
But this is too late, there is no switching at this point.
Well Nightcat99 I wouldn't be so sure. We would be able to tell if he was being coached. It would make him more suspicious. A coach might tell him to push the newb routine because that might be his best chance of survival, if he is scum.
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Does Umasi switch seem a scummy move to you guys? Or is he just looking out for who he thinks might be a fellow townie? I can't decide myself yet. I am interested to know what everyone thinks on that.
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On August 02 2013 04:33 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 04:32 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 02 2013 04:22 Nightcat99 wrote:
If Umasi posted something like this 5 to 6 hour ahead i would have been happy to consider a switch , because rep although scummy is no way on top of my radar, and i have stated before that a scum will have a scum team with coach and there is no way they would play like this.
But this is too late, there is no switching at this point. Well Nightcat99 I wouldn't be so sure. We would be able to tell if he was being coached. It would make him more suspicious. A coach might tell him to push the newb routine because that might be his best chance of survival, if he is scum. To be honest, not convinced by this.
What aren't you convinced about stim? Just saying it could be a possibility. I could see both sides of the coin. We were pushing reps pretty hard to contribute so a change in is posts could mean a response to us or a response to a scum coach. Hard to say.
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Well town we got what we wanted. Getting rid of reps is still a victory, just not as big as if he were scum.
On August 02 2013 05:10 Zyrre wrote:
Since Alakaslam and Umasi probably are not mafia now(or are taking on a mafia playstyle of the joker), can I please ask you to be more succint in your posts and not spam every single one of your thougts.
I have a hunch that one of them is scum. I plan on spending a lot of time looking into those two.
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On August 02 2013 05:10 Zyrre wrote:
reps flip as town does not mean we are town. It's just as easy for mafia to be correct about someones alignment as it is towns. In fact, it's easier!
?? It is guaranteed that mafia is correct on someones alignment. They know who town is lol.
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On August 02 2013 05:24 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 05:20 DeusXmachina wrote:Well town we got what we wanted. Getting rid of reps is still a victory, just not as big as if he were scum. On August 02 2013 05:10 Zyrre wrote:
Since Alakaslam and Umasi probably are not mafia now(or are taking on a mafia playstyle of the joker), can I please ask you to be more succint in your posts and not spam every single one of your thougts. I have a hunch that one of them is scum. I plan on spending a lot of time looking into those two. Deus, that's FALSE. We got a mislynch on a bad townie, but he'd shown he was willing to try to improve. Although I can definitely see where that line of thinking comes from, mislynching is not a good thing. like, fucking ever. Would have been better to lynch one of our two lurkers, and even then, I'd prefer to vote infii. If they're still lurking by the end of day two then dammit I'll happily vote them because they've had time to get in gear.
Woah woah woah. I think most of us were in agreement that reps was a bad townie and not helping. Were we just supposed to hope that he would get better? Sorry bro but if he had real motivation to improve we would have seen it by now. Still a good lynch. Are you telling me that you have enough information to lynch someone else. Hardly. Any candidate you throw out would be just as likely to be a miss-lynch.
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Why are you getting so defensive Umasi? I can't care what you think? I care what a lot of people in this thread think. Why should I just ignore what you are saying. It seems like you are lashing out because I am disagreeing with you. Also are you even reading my entire posts? I introduced a post with a pointless sentence (not in my opinion). Later in that posts I explained my intentions of how I am going to proceed. Holy hell, are you such a saint that you don't say anything pointless?
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On August 02 2013 06:00 Umasi wrote:
I don't think I was being defensive. Feel free to push the issue though, but I'll move on from the issue (push it if you want)
You said your plan was to look at me and slam for scum. Who else are you thinking? town reads, scum reads, anything.
You're right Umasi. Maybe, I am being overly suspicious or you. Ill drop the matter. I would be lying if I said you weren't someone that I would want to look into further. That being said, you are definitely not lurking.
"Who else are you thinking? own reads, scum reads, anything" Good question. I am suspicious of scam, and olivaw. I know a lot of people are suspicious of them atm, and I believe there is merit to that. There is no denying that they are major lurkers. There has been a lot of talk about infii also, so I will look into that. As far as town reads, ill get back to you. Tonight I will post in depth (or do my best) about my scum and town reads. Hopefully if I provide a meaningful analysis it will be in no way discredited by my reps accusation.
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Hey guys. Seems like a productive night phase so far. I would like to say briefly that I am surprised at how time consuming this game can be. It is hard to formulate a well thought out opinion on everyone. With that in mind I will start small.
Scam and RDO
There has been a lot of suspicion directed towards these two. Ill start with Scam. Is his hardcore lurking indicative of scum? No, I don't think so. I agree with Nightcat in this regard and have additional thoughts to add.
On August 02 2013 10:39 Nightcat99 wrote:
The thing is i through he was town too but no one can be sure, and there is no way to ensure a lynch on any one else. I know i might be stubborn but i just cant agree with a peaceful no lynch.
I will be honest through, I don't think Sc_am is scum at all. First of all, hes obviously lurking and not busy. In that case, hes scum team would pressure him to play and give advice. I think you are much likely to do something, if you are 2 other scum and a coach on another forum pressuring you. And his lack of motivation is a tell of a horrible town.
i need to form a opinion on scums through, i will go dive filter for a bit.
Can't agree with this more. Scum want to try and hide right? Well scam is not hiding that is for damn sure. His over the top lurking has put him in the spot light yet he doesn't seem to care. He only has a few posts. Seems to me like this is a town with lack of motivation. Furthermore, a vote to no-lynch is NOT indicative of scum. Scum know who their fellow scum are right. By process of elimination they know who is not scum. When it came down to lynching reps a scum would want to vote against him, because they know he is not scum. Boom! Scum vote to lynch reps and chalk it up as a small victory. Yet, scam voted a no-lynch. Why would he do that if he was scum?
There are a lot of differences between Scam and RDO. For starters RDO posts a lot more than Scam. Let me elaborate on some of the other differences and move my train of thought onto RDO. To me RDO seems to be scummy. He was lurking hard at the beginning of the game. When people became suspicious of RDO he kicked up his game and started posting a lot right? Well that is why I get a scummy read off of him. He definitely seems like he is trying to blend at this point. Furthermore, he definitely seems like he is jumping on the opportunity to defend himself. Granted that is what is being asked of him, by people like Slam, yet nevertheless he seems like he is aiming to clear his name.
This is a great example of that:
On August 02 2013 12:01 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
As a note to all parties, I will be offline from now until tomorrow evening again...so ask any last questions about my innocence within the next fifteen minutes or hang on to them for a while.
You could argue that RDO seems pro town as of late. He has posted about his scum suspicions. However, to me this seems like another attempt at blending in. To this I would simply ask, why was he not doing that before?
That concludes my suspicion of RDO. That is not enough to go on for now but I think it is a start. If anyone else wants to add to this, I want to hear what you have to say. A lot of us are suspicious of RDO at the moment so I think we should press the mater.
Final thoughts on some other players: I am okay with infii right now. I don't have a solid read on him either way. I would rather spend my efforts focusing on other people. Nightcat could definitely be scummy, although I can't say for sure yet. Above I agreed with what he had to say on Scam, but I won't let that in anyway cloud my opinion of him. A lot of you are looking into nightcat so I will try to help out.
There is definitely other noteworthy candidates at this point. Ill do my best to check into them all. If you guys have anything specific you would like me to address let me know. Ill be up for a little while longer.
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*EBWOP Those are in no particular order
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On August 03 2013 09:05 Alakaslam wrote:
I know why you are pushing scam uamsi. (XD JK)
Umasi. Thou hast much defense to enact
DO IT NOW O IST SKUM MILK
RDO sup
GOD OF THE MACHINE. ...sup. still on? Pleas be so I wanna talk wit ya in a time sensitive manner, maphia speed chess, yes?
Talk away slam. I will be on for a while. Although no promises of speedy responses. I might play some games of dota.
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One thing that throws me for a loop about Umasi. In my opinion changing his vote on reps last minute is not a scummy thing to do. Why would a scum want to switch their vote on reps and risk taking a no lynch. It was a small victory for them getting reps out of the way, one townie down. Also he has come under a lot of attention because of that vote switch. Again, that does not seem scummy. That is why it is so hard for me to get a good read on Umasi. I still think he is suspicious, and like I said before, I will elaborate on that later tonight.
Slam are you still suspecting RDO for scum? Don't you think his spike in posts is a reaction to pressure? Also, if Umasi is not scum, then RDO could be taking the opportunity to raise suspicion of Umasi.
Slam would you consider scam as more scummy than RDO despite the fact that he is lurking extremely hard and we can't get a good read off of his posts?
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On August 03 2013 09:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 09:26 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 03 2013 09:05 Alakaslam wrote:
I know why you are pushing scam uamsi. (XD JK)
Umasi. Thou hast much defense to enact
DO IT NOW O IST SKUM MILK
RDO sup
GOD OF THE MACHINE. ...sup. still on? Pleas be so I wanna talk wit ya in a time sensitive manner, maphia speed chess, yes? Talk away slam. I will be on for a while. Although no promises of speedy responses. I might play some games of dota. Yes! So what do you think of who? Have you read Flare?
Yes I have read flare's extremely long post. Call me selfish but I wish he would of focused on only a couple people. He has got great analysis and it seems like he wasted some time on smaller suspects (like himself lol). I think he has got some really solid info on u M asi, Gotard, and Night. Ill do my part by researching them too. On a side note, I think it is best to focus on a couple key individuals. Analyzing their associations is great if it helps pin that individual as scum, but otherwise I don't think it is very useful. I am trying not to get bogged down by looking at everyone of suspect all at once. Ill post in detail on scum reads later tonight.
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