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On July 21 2013 02:46 Zephirdd wrote: god fucking damnit bluelightz, starting the game on the day i have the worst hangover since... yesterday. my head hurts a lot. why are there so many hydras here? it's hard to put up with this. Hopefully I'm not insane from all of this. 5touch, is this a pressure vote, a joke vote, or do you actually mean it? | ||
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 I think Corazon is an interesting point to start with, in my humble yet uninformed opinion (but we're heading into PMland) Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results! On July 24 2013 06:29 cDgCorazon wrote: My pm didn't say I was a rolecop specifically. It just says I was an investigator, it wasn't specific on whether I was alignment based or role based. Anyway, off to read moar. | ||
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Do we know if scum got fakeclaims or anything? | ||
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On July 27 2013 18:27 Onegu wrote: We have only killed one scum so far, he claimed roleblocker and was scum roleblocker. I have claimed vigi and missed my shot last night. Cora and getmoript have both claimed detective. Getmoripts flip confirmed him as detective. If I get it right, Cora, the claimed DT, is still alive after claiming D2? TG should probably be lynched just for this: On July 22 2013 15:03 phagga wrote: [/blue]VOTE COUNT: getmoript (1) JarJarDrinks (0) TheAwesomeAll (0) FirmTofu (2) raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster (1) TanGeng (6) FirmTofu, getmoript, austinmcc, FiveTouch, JarJarDrinks, Oatsmaster Not Voting: (2) Zephirdd, DoctorHelvetica With 12 alive, 7 are required to lynch. Noone is lynched! If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it. | ||
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Peace out. | ||
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Well, sucks that I have to tell you that, but town DrH texts people to death Day 1. This doesn't look like town DrH. I think I'd rather start with TG anyway, that doesn't sit right with me how scum apparently spared him a lynch D1. What do you think about kirby, cora and TG, Onegu? | ||
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If you left something unmentioned you know of, I'd be glad if you added it now. | ||
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On July 26 2013 10:40 Onegu wrote: Actually I am more likely to shoot jrkirby atm but thier death posts I liked JrKirbys better. On July 26 2013 10:19 Onegu wrote: Good morning blueville, so for me at this point is jkirby and TG, I dont like TG's post above, I 4rlz dont think austin is scum. And Im null on Firm now. He has kirby as null slightly town which is odd to me. Jrkirby post was a little better someone had a problem with it but IDK looked ok to me. Also, you found TG scummy back then, but now he's "null but townie" in your list. Can you explain what's going on there? Null but townie TG FIRM | ||
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You thought he was scum for reason x -> He posted that post, let's call it y -> You thought he was townier than Oats for post y -> Oats died -> Post y doesn't matter any more, kirby scum for reason x I presume reason x was this: There is just so much filler in jrkirbys posts, day one into day two he just tunnels oats, which is fine as I was scum on oats when I came in day 2, but he is really slow to switch onto TAA. N2 he has his best post in my opinion, which is why I didnt shoot him. He only has 4 pages of filter where him being here since day 1 is really bad. | ||
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On July 27 2013 20:09 FiveTouch wrote: Just one more note on Cora, and this is to Firm especially. Presumably Corazon would be claiming to save his scumbuddy, TAA. There's a couple things to note about that. 1) he's going head to head with getmoript, someone already viewed as significantly more townie than Corazon. Already the chances of winning that battle are pretty small 2) EVEN if he did win that battle, getmoript gets lynched and flips detective. But then that gives away *both* TAA and Corazon. The net of it being that even in the *best case* scenario for Corazon, he's trading 1 townie for 2 mafia. Seems terribly unlikely, no? And yet, TAA flipped, getmoript flipped, and Corazon isn't auto-scum for it in the eyes of everyone, which proves it to be less suicidal than you're trying to portray it. Also, I'm not scum marvelbabe, considering that, who would be your alternative read if you take that at face value. Do you think DrH's D1 play was townie, do you think ALL of scum was on TG's wagon and didn't manage to get him lynched, and that the ones not voting him were townies simply too careless to get to a D1 lynch? | ||
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I think TG should be lynched for the reason that he was spared by scum D1 imo (DrH-probable and TAA-confirmed). I'm not sure if there are three or four scum in this game, in any case, I think TG and Onegu should be lynched next. I am also suspicious of jkirby and Cora. The push jkirby->shoot Oats thing->back to kirby by Onegu and his strange development of his "reads" (town->scum on austin; town->scum on kirby;scum->town on TG, and all of that overnight) make me think of a bus and that he's scum. | ||
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On July 28 2013 06:13 FirmTofu wrote: vivax, are you out there? Can you vote today? Do you think TG/Cora is a likely scum team? Why or why not? I posted the part I found iffy about Cora's claim alreadz. I also voted, TG. Kirby does look odd and I found him mainly scummy for his position on the TAA wagon, if he is though, then he has been bussed, which fits into the way the DrH slot played, first push him, find a reason to shoot someone else, then push him again. I don't find DrH's slots' reasons for his read 180s very credible. Your DT checks tell us nothing, DT should have stayed silent until he had a chance to check somebody else he was sure of being town. Now we don't know if he's insane or paranoid. Thing is though, Cora's claim timing was scummy and looked like it was designed to save TAA, again, sub-optimal play for a DT to claim in that situation in any case. He should have kept the role secret and watched how the flip went, and then adjust his scumreads accordingly without using his role as a reason, but meh, doesn't really matter anymore. That leads us to Cora still being alive after his claim, I don't know his checks atm, but I've gotten from the thread that he's supposedly sane?That leads us to the question why scum would leave him alive then. Cause of that, I'd probably not lynch him today and consider him for lynch if he survives another night and depending on the check he returns. Lucky for us, he can't claim RB. As conclusion, I stick to the opinion that we should lynch TG for being alive after D1, I'm suspicious of DrH's behavior during that day, and anyone not wanting to lynch TGis banking on the fact that a flipped scum somehow missed the deadline, and not just that, cause TG's lynch wasn't exactly last minute shit. Question: Who replaced Zephirdd? I didn't like his last post during D1. | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:22 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm sane. I checked myself to check for sanity and it said I came back a "detective" so I'm guessing I must be sane. A few things about you, Cora. - You claim you have a role PM where you don't know if you're rolecop or alignment cop. Getmoript had one that suggested alignment. - In a rolecop PM, you have the sanity comment, which doesn't fit. - When you get back detective as result, you say getmoript is lying for claiming ALIGNMENT cop, when you knew you were ROLECOP, but say there can't be two sane cops and hence getmo is scum. Can you explain this part to me, cause either it was really awful play or your claim is purposeful bs. | ||
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On July 28 2013 07:02 cDgCorazon wrote: My role pm is the same as Getmoript's and the hosts basically said that I couldn't check myself for sanity and they just gave me back a non-alignment check (investiagtor worded exactly like that). So I said I was a role cop. Then I checked TG and then it came back as Town. The hosts basically screwed me over, and if you want to lynch me I will blame them. That's cool and all, but it still doesn't answer the question why you claimed that geript was lying about being an alignment cop when at the time you had to believe you were a rolecop, making getmo's cop claim not as incredible as you claim you thought it was. Like, I understand you can't answer it, cause the point makes you look like scum regardless, but it's a valid point in arguing that you actually just fakeclaimed to save TAA. Other than that, I'm curious to hear from your mouth that you think that TG wasn't lynched only cause scum played badly or was afk. | ||
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I'm going for a case by case approach (didn't read the whole game chronologically) and focusing on the parts I find most interesting, and the results of the phases. In all of that, FT didn't have a place in my scumspect list. I don't think he's as worthy of my attention as you and my other scumspects are. That said, I didn't read him fully focused yet, and probably won't do it until you, Cora, DrH's slot give me reason to think you're town. If he's town, he'll probably get killed pretty soon anyway since he claimed DT. As opposed to Cora... | ||
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If you're town, calm down and tell me how likely you think that the scumteam is TG/Onegu/Kirby, cause if you're town and assuming there's so many scum, that's my conclusion with my current knowledge and suspects, and there is no reason for you to start capsraging at me for being suspicious of a claim that has multiple issues. | ||
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Reading through your filter, I actually see you saying that you're surprised TG hasn't been lynched yet, then you barely mention him and instead go vote Oats to "get the asshole out of the game". So yeah, maybe you should actually remember you didn't write a good, summarized post where you write why TG is scum, only posts where you question his rb claim, where you call his case terrible, and where you say he should have been lynched, that's what I find in your filter. Overall, your TG push actually looks like bollocks that could fit into the "bus" category. | ||
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On July 23 2013 05:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Ok so I read everyone's filter and I've come up with a few opinions: -TG should've been lynched D1. Like seriously. His game has been ridiculously scummy and he should've been lynched for it. -Getmoript needs to stop arguing with everyone. While I applaud them for posting a lot and trying to move things forward, they are borderline creating chaos in the game. I'm leaning a bit towards scum with them, but I need to see more because Geript is playing very rash and emotional while WoS is being more moderate and even-keel. -DrH did cause a no-lynch so I think that should against him, but he should not be instantly beheaded for it. That being said, I really do want to hear more from him. -Everyone has been too spammy in their posts, and there has not been enough analysis. Only 2 or 3 players have been providing good analysis on a constant basis. In an environment like this, scum are going to thrive. Everyone needs to step up so scum have nowhere to hide. If anyone wants opinions on specific things, just ask. On July 23 2013 22:15 cDgCorazon wrote: In all honesty, the TanGeng RB claim doesn't really add up for me. Was there something in his filter that screamed blue to mafia? You guys are writing him off as town just because he got RB'd, which is really silly. I could see a scum TG claiming to be RB'd in order to try and make up for a really shitty game he has played so far. Onegu's claim is really dumb as well. I'm not entirely sure what we can do about it though. If he is vigi, we really shouldn't lynch him because he is important to the town. On the other hand, if he isn't scum he should die N2. It's really a good thing for town that he claimed because if he dies tonight we see his flip, but if he doesn't he is probably scum. Oats hasn't done much this game, and if people want to lynch him, I'd be on board with that. On July 23 2013 22:49 cDgCorazon wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster Lets get this asshole out of the game and actually get somewhere. So you went from someone being ridiculously scummy and with a suspicious claim to lynching people for not doing much. Seems legit. | ||
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I've explained my TG read and I've explained my other reads. The fact that you think that my proposed scumteam is TG/Onegu/Kirby basically says to me that you have not read my filter and that you are making an uninformed and therefore bad attack on me. Actually, that's my proposed scumteam, not yours. Anyway, I'm all ears and would like to see where you explained your TG read. My current knowledge is that townies like to talk about their scumreads, and don't have much trouble remembering their reasons for suspecting them. | ||
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On July 28 2013 08:03 TanGeng wrote: Are you still reading and catching up, Vivax? I'd be interested in you providing more reads on other people and also improving your current reads. Your current posting does not suggest that you are fully following the flow of thread. Your posting suggests you're following the flow of the thread perfectly instead. If you get my drift. | ||
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Can you please please point me to it, for the benefit of town and cause you're such an awesome person and cause you don't want me to be suspicious of you when there's no need to? | ||
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Marv/VE, when you've finished partying and shit, I'd like to hear your opinion on Corazon's refusal to point me to my alleged mistakes and his decision to be hostile on purpose, and your opinion on the other stuff I posted about him. While writing this, I think it's pretty obvious TG and him are trying to provoke me. Now, I don't know if I missed something that's oh so important, but I think that they would be willing to point me to it if it was and they're interested in solving the game -by everyone-, cause if I missed something that points to some obvious scum or to me writing something that isn't true, I would actually love to hear it and not be told to go fuck myself. Reading the filter, I'm fairly sure I didn't miss anything from Corazon. Resummarizing my points against him: - His Oats vote while having TG as scum was scummy. - His claim. Thinks he's rolecop but thinks the alignment cop is lying cause there can't be two. - Him trusting into a green check and at the same time complaining about bastard hosts. - He never pushes his scumread TG, literally never there's anything that could be called an attempt to bring a nice case on the guy with a reason that's worth being mentioned. - Behaving like an unhelpful retard when I suspect him and ask him stuff in the friendliest way possible is scummy. | ||
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On July 28 2013 08:31 Onegu wrote: I believe all the claims I am guessing each has a different sanity, if I had to choose on to be fake it would be firmTofu but I think his is real also. People JrKirby looks really really bad give me reasons on why he isnt scum. Vivax you think as scum when I replaced in the first thing I did was to make a case on TAA to bus him? To be honest, I don't even want to consider you could be scum any more (which rather stemmed from the fact that DrH caused no lynch and didn't play in a way I would have considered townie) cause we don't know if there's 3 or 4 scum, and I already am sure that COra and TG are scum at this point. That said, you bring a good argument to the table. In any case I dont't think I'll have to worry about you cause there is almsot certain scum to fry first: Corazon and TG. I would really appreciate if you went through the last pages and told me what you think of this exchange between me and the two of them, and the points I brought up against Cora. | ||
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You call him scum for reasons you don't give, you vote some other guy, you don't engage in a conversation with somebody else to try and persuade him to lynch TG, you give him a townread for reasons you don't give, just saying his posts look good and that he's scumhunting, you trust your check and complain about bastard hosts at the same time. Hence, I'm asking you again, cause it's not in your filter: Why did you think TG was such "obvious" scum in the first place? | ||
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On July 28 2013 07:49 Vivax wrote: Actually, that's my proposed scumteam, not yours. Anyway, I'm all ears and would like to see where you explained your TG read. My current knowledge is that townies like to talk about their scumreads, and don't have much trouble remembering their reasons for suspecting them. | ||
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But I realize you don't really want to talk abot that stuff, it'd probably force you to make stuff up On July 28 2013 07:22 Vivax wrote: Cora. Need you to tell me why you wanted TG lynched, and why you trust your check so much in light of sanities and host mistakes that you abruptly stopped pursuing him. If you're town, calm down and tell me how likely you think that the scumteam is TG/Onegu/Kirby, cause if you're town and assuming there's so many scum, that's my conclusion with my current knowledge and suspects, and there is no reason for you to start capsraging at me for being suspicious of a claim that has multiple issues. | ||
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I also think that kirby is town, newb town specifically, from skimming his filter. His position on the TAA wagon looked bad, but his reasons don't appear scummy to me. He seems sincere, and sticks to his Oats read in a way that suggests he really believed it, also didn't give me the impression of posting in a nervous/afraid way. I really hope I can switch this to TG/Cora or town ends up being in the shit imo. Kinda sucks for me if kirby flips scum instead lol. But that's how I see him. Everyone who switches to Cora or TG gets some love. | ||
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See my summary on Cora for reference, or the whole conversation for that matter please. If you think some point about kirby looks scummy and warrants his lynch, point me to it and I'll tell you what I think of it. | ||
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TG has been spared D1 by confirmed flipped scum. Corazon does all sorts of scummy shit. Kirby, I hope you actually invest some time into the game right now. VE, if you see this, I hope you do the switch and realized I'm as townie as I can get and that the arguments for cora + TG being scum are strong. JJD, I don't know you well, dude, just read and make your decision, I hope it'll be the correct one. Onegu, ditto. Still not sure if you're town, but if you are, rethink this game hard, and ask yourself if kirby is really scum, also give me your opinion on my exchange with cora and TG please  | ||
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If he ended up being town, then we can conclude that he didn't do properly what he had to do as town, appearing townie and pushing scum over town. That said, waiting to see how the night turns up cause if there are 3 scum left, it's gg, if it's two we'll have another day. | ||
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I'm surprised Tofu goes all like "no please sowy I was wrong I do whatever you say pls don't lynch me" actually, I don't feel that way at all for lynching Cora. | ||
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On July 29 2013 02:50 TanGeng wrote: @VE & Marv Onegu was totally looking for a veteran to sheep and I'm looking at you. After yesterday's mess, I'll be available if you ever want to hear and breakdown my case against FirmTofu & austinmcc/Vivax. If you think I've got my read right, then you can make one last appeal and lead these townies to victory. Bring forth your case on me thanks. I can't speak for austin, but I can speak for myself. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:22 FiveTouch wrote: This post is disgusting. Really disgusting. Why would Cora ever have died before getmoript, the DT with a redcheck and red-lynch? Cora's claim timing was pretty damn townie as I've explained before. Ewwwww Vivax. Eww. Good argument, but hindsight, and late. Furthermore, your other head did seem to have a few doubts about your conclusion. What are your conclusions regarding my general play, aside from this post where you found something I didn't reach a right conclusion from. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:57 FiveTouch wrote: Like given you replaced in, you must have had to READ the thread, and you'd have read the progression getmo claims DT -> lynches TAA -> gets killed at night -> then yesterday happened. You should damn well KNOW why Corazon wasn't killed at night. Why didn't you know that? There was a Vanilla Rayn kill in between afaik. | ||
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What about my argument for TG being scum since TAA didn't get him lynched D1? | ||
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Thus, if Vivax votes kirby, Vivax is probably town. If Vivax doesn't vote kirby, Vivax is probably scum. Unfortunately, I just typed all this and posted it so he's probably going to read this and WIFOM it. I'm betting that he doesn't. After all, I typed this to anticipate the WIFOM play and force it. Wow. Just wow. Have you ever tried actually finding out if I'm scum cause of, you know, all of my play? Do you think all of my reasons for lynching Cora were made up?No, they were as good as yours, if you are town. Which makes it strange that you are suspicious of me for that lynch when you should have been as convinced of it as I were. May I ask why you got all angsty and submissive once Cora flipped town? | ||
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On July 29 2013 19:25 Onegu wrote: What are your current reads vivax? I would actually like to hear what TG did that was so townie in light of him being spared by scum D1.Did he get checked?Did he make a hammer case on scum? I'm still not caught up yet and also in another game,if all of town really thinks I should be voting kirby, I probably should, but first I want to know the deal about TG. | ||
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On July 29 2013 20:23 Onegu wrote: Yes he was checked green by cora. Which doesnt mean to much with sanitys but just feels like after day one he has played pro townie. Also he claims he was roleblocked night 1, and after the scum roleblocker died no more rb claims were made, which makes it likely he was telling the truth, and I dont see scum roleblocking thier own player. I claimed fake roleblock as scum,too. Do you think scum had a good reason to roleblock the guy who just survived D1? If anything, he had a good reason to fake a roleblock on himself. We don't know sanities. All we know is that this guy has NOT been lynched by scum D1. | ||
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On July 29 2013 20:50 TanGeng wrote: Hey, all I know is that: Scum TAA didn't vote for me. But he was also not active in the thread. Also jrkirby and Onegu (DocH) didn't vote for me. But, hey if scum Tofu/Vivax voted for me then, two of the three scum would have been on my bandwagon. Very good. You bring up a point I hadn't considered. If jkirby is indeed scum, then you are scum too. In no way can you save yourself if we can prove that two scummers didn't get you lynched D1. It's in your best interest to not let jkirby get lynched if you are scum actually. Let's see how you like it when I vote for him. | ||
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He suggests me and FT are scum. I didn't particularly like FT's reaction after Cora flipped, but his DT claim seemed rather unnecessary, I'll have a look at his previous play and see if it makes sense. As for me, I'm not scum. Basically, if jrkirby is scum, this is game over for TG. | ||
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I might have to rethink FirmTofu. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. On July 21 2013 08:00 FirmTofu wrote: Fluff=bad You get scum points, sir. Why can't both hydras be town? You get scum points, sir. Why would you want to glean information from only one half of the hydra? Why are you asking for less information to work with? You get scum points, sir. You claimed scum. You get scum points, sir. You think Austin is town but you don't explain what makes you think that why. Why say it at all? You get scum points, sir. On July 21 2013 08:04 FirmTofu wrote: I have 3 posts in the entire thread. Someone's angry about something. On July 21 2013 23:06 TheAwesomeAll wrote: this post is so weird, fake outrage from nowhere, no real message "plz only shoot the mafia", if i could i would lynch only geript but for now ##vote: getmoript would do. Im fairly sure either FiveTouch or getmoript is scum but since they attacked each other a bunch its probably not both, and since FT has been doing the attacking and getmoript has been backpaddeling as soon as he gets any heat im leaning towards him. | ||
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Tofu's D1 play was god awful, I'm currently @ P17. The point where he posted those lists and picked a random dude, ugh. It doesn't sit right with me at all how TAA attacks him early, FT ignores him, and TAA's attacks have no followup. Rayn, the NK, also had a hard-on for lynching him. | ||
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On July 23 2013 04:11 jrkirby wrote: Ok, I read the thread, and I still think oats is scum. But shit... I kinda caused a no lynch to happen. Really sorry guys. If only I had read tangeng's filter faster. I still haven't read it, but I guess I got plenty of time to do that now. I have even more scumread on oats than I did before. I'm not sure about DrH, I'd prefer to see how he plays tonight and tomorrow before I come to a conclusion on him. Jeez this guy. | ||
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On July 23 2013 08:35 FirmTofu wrote: The whole bit where people attack Oats for not giving a shit is a waste of time. Whether you attack him or not, he isn't going to start suddenly giving a shit. Vigi him if you have to. Stop wasting time talking to him. For the lynch tomorrow, TG is the only viable choice. He's been scummy all game long and needs to be exterminated. His death would also provide us invaluable information about jrk and DrH, maybe even Oats. As for where discussion should go..., I think we should be talking about people like TAA and JJD, maybe rayn as well. There are people who are currently sitting in the null-scum territory for me and are likely to scumslip when pressured. I'm going to go through their filters and see if I can find some dirt on them. This post isn't very good. It's inconclusive, althuogh it doesn't automatically try to damn Zeph for what he did. I don't like that it isn't opinionated at all though. On July 23 2013 06:44 jrkirby wrote: Ok, well I see it this way: Zeph didn't post at all, meaning it wasn't purposeful lurking, he just was completely AFK. That tells me nothing about alignment. The post you quoted in particular shows a town perspective overview of the thread, but isn't enough for me to get a solid read on him yet. I really have to see how he acts during day 2, and doubt that he would make a good day 2 lynch unless his play becomes absolutely terrible. This one is for you, Onegu. Tell me what you think of this, knowing your own alignment. On July 23 2013 10:51 TanGeng wrote: Really? Scum would refuse a mislynch served on a platter for them? Especially with how Geript blew up at DocH for that. Sheeping as scum would be the lowest risk play ever. Just do it and continue to fly under the radar. DocH is very unlikely to be scum, ok!? Your idea is that scum takes a shot at saving a town and while preserving lynch-bait? Weight the risks and rewards, there. Look at the heat on DocH. It's not even close. Continuing soon | ||
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I think we can assume that if there was still another cop out there he'd have claimed already. So that means if tofu is bad then there's exactly 3 cops (legit, insane, paranoid). Meaning the only type of cop missing is a naive one. Seems odd. How do we know that the setup has to feature a type of each cop? You feel like you have to fill up a remaining gap, but we really can't know if there has to be one type of each cop. - Why after 2 DT claims would scum think that making a 3rd DT claim would be a good play. The play is suicide and would have probably resulted in an autolynch if 5T doesn't immediately claim behind him. And it wasn't like he made the claim when he was about to get lynched. The bolded isn't true at all. People wouldn't autolynch him for a third claim, just like they didn't autolynch 5T for the fourth. The claim makes sense to defend himself from the TAA defense and to push a lynch on Cora. That he wasn't about to get lynched is irrelevant if it helps him reach his objective. He couldn't know if there was a fourth DT either, maybe he assumed all DT's claimed at this stage in the game. - He somehow predicted that all the cops got the exact same role PM. How could he have known that? There's no reason to think that was the case. He could only have made a really lucky guess. ANd even if he had made that guess, why volunteer that extra information because if he was wrong, he'd have been exposed as soon as cora was killed. Scum could have gotten fakeclaims and known how the role pm looked. I really dislike basing reads off all of this cop shit. What I see is mostly scummy D1 play so far, although that last post I mentioned made him look a little better. I'd prefer if we kept all this role stuff out while discussing if he's scum. | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:03 TanGeng wrote: If jrkirby is town, the game is over, period. Assume FT is scum and I'm not. Who is your guess then. What do you think is JK's alignment? | ||
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You said TG's reaction makes him scum. That would mean you don't mind switching to him, I take? | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:44 TanGeng wrote: Vivax: About assuming FT scum and you not. Don't do this to me... plz. I'm trying to forget/ignore 8 or 9 separate pieces of evidence right now and it's not working... Overall: I think jrkirby is town via process of elimination but is playing an absolutely disgusting game. One comment and completely lurking, again. Austin's play until N1 isn't really scumlike at all. My play isn't scumlike, I'm still trying to figure out the game. I'm evaluating if you're not trying to WIFOM town into believing jkirby is your scumbuddy, cause you're trying hard at doing that. Given FT said you're scum, I'll attempt a switch to you. He should not be afraid of that at this point. Anyway, you'll have to consider some other option besides me cause I'm not scum. | ||
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But if jrkirby isn't scum, then FT could be scum with TG. Hence it's kinda safer to lynch TG first. | ||
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You just posted half a book about how to distuingish scum from town based on how they push their reads. Then you summarize instances of austin being wrong about scum. I take it you don't want to answer who would be your other guess for scum if I'm town. Fine. @Thread Do you think jrkirby is scum? Then you think two scum didn't vote TG d1, making him most likely scum. Can you exclude that FT (or Onegu) is scum?If yes, feel free to vote jkirby, if no, you should vote TG. In any case, I think it's safer to vote TG first, cause he is scum in most of the likely scenarios. Unless you know for sure what Onegu's and jrkirby's alignments are, then you can't explain why TG has been left alive D1. | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:54 jrkirby wrote: How can you think that onegu could be scum still? Wtf dude. Is that the only question you feel like asking in your situtation? I mean, if you make it clear that you disagree, who do you think could TG still be scum with if it isn't you or onegu? | ||
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On July 24 2013 10:11 Onegu wrote: Good Morning. So TAA totes scum, I made a case on him earlier plus a red check which I dont think was faked, add in the random rb claim. ##:VOTE TAA I fail to see where Onegu made a case on TAA earlier, he said something about lynching multiple people then only pushed Oats. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:13 jrkirby wrote: It's pretty obvious that there were 4 cops (FT was one), and a vig (onegu). Ok, look at day one: austin and JJD were trying to lynch TG, but they just couldn't get a majority because TAA was AFK. Day two, they didn't know anything about the cops, so they assumed the getmoript check on TAA was legit. They distanced themselves from TAA in order to save themselves. Day three they had it easy because we were dead set on lynching one of the cops. I'm not scum, and TG isn't my partner. We're at mylo. If we don't lynch tonight, onegu is going to die. we need to lynch vivax tonight. TG, what happened to your vivax/Firmtofu combo? I think you were right about vivax, and if I wasn't so sure that there's 4 cops, I'd think you're right about FT. Good, we're making progresses. What makes you so sure FT is actually cop? Can you give me a summary of reasons for why you think I'm scum? As condensed as possible or as extended as you want. Why do you think are me and JarJar pushing the wagon away from you when everyone else wants to lynch you, if we were scum? | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:17 jrkirby wrote: Do you really think that scum had an extra bullet in this setup? at least 2 completely useless cops, no doc, no town rb, no jk, but scum has an extra bullet? You mean, scum having a vigi? There are setups with scum vigis, it's no sci-fi | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:29 jrkirby wrote: There's three cops with varying sanity. 4 possible sanity choices. Really, it just makes sense for there to be a fourth. I was really suspicious of firmtofu's actions before, but the cop claim actually makes sense. I kinda with the cops had mass claimed day 2 because it would've made this game so much easier to figure out and scum don't have 4 bullets a night. they've been shooting cops every night since then anyway. I think you're scum mainly by process of elimination. Onegu isn't scum, FT isn't scum, I'm not scum. If TG is scum, either you or JJD put him soooo close to dying day 1. For that, and a myriad of other reasons: TG isn't scum. There's two scum left, you and JJD. If you and jarjar are scum, all you have to do is get a mislynch. You honestly don't care who. it could be me, it could be TG. This game ends tonight if we lynch wrong. Would you rather get lynched yourself before voting TG with me and JarJar? | ||
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For town it's beneficial too cause it buys us time and is a safer choice. | ||
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Apologies. | ||
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It's too much wtf to be constructed, and doesn't really seem like scum agenda. Onegu though it was safe to claim cause he thought TG was town claiming to be roleblocker lol. Leaves Kirby, Tofu, TG as only possible scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 04:34 jrkirby wrote: Why have you ruled out JJD? Same reason for why you can rule out me. When the lynch is set in stone, there are people who still try to discuss, figure the game out and adap. Onegu, JJD and me all show that trait. And frankly, I like how JJDagreed with my points and mentioned he's suspcious of Onegu still. It doesn't have to be right, but on top on agreeing he also says who specifically he could find to be scum in addition to TG, and that's townie, cause he's being transparent when as scum he wouldn't really have a reason to be, or to agree with me if you are indeed town. FT isn't even here since he decided that you and TG are scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 04:47 jrkirby wrote: Cause I really think there's 4 cops. 3 of them have already died. That is illogical to assume. You have absolutely zero guarantee that the host put a fourth cop in there just to "complete the picture". | ||
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On July 31 2013 05:04 jrkirby wrote: There's no guarantee, just a really strong hunch. We're at mylo, and I really think this hunch is my best bet. I'm trying to judge if you really think TG is town. May I ask where your read comes from? | ||
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On July 31 2013 05:07 jrkirby wrote: I think you're just trying to put suspicion on everyone but scum, cause even if a fluke happens and one of you does get lynched, we're still at mylo and you want to guarantee that the last lynch wont happen. You seem to have made the decision to have me as scumread a while ago, and show few doubt in this moment. I'm here, we can talk, if you really think I'm scum then there must be something in my story that isn't straight, no? That said, what you just posted only has the purpose to put me into a bad light, it's not constructive. | ||
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On July 31 2013 05:57 jrkirby wrote: Well, if I can't convice Tofu and onegu to vote vivax, it ain't gonna happen. Right now I'm predicting they'll stay on me till the end, vivax and JJD will hop on sometime before the deadline and then GG will happen. Lol. U realize we don't have to hop on anything before deadline, cause it's me and JJD on you and not FT and Onegu? What does FT's claim have anything to do with Ft's claim?It's the same reasoning you use, that there has to be a type of cop of each kind. | ||
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I guess you know what I mean | ||
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Totally thought we were voting kirby now lol. JJD, I don't know if I want to stay awake through all of this to cinvince Onegu and Ft to switch to TG since they still aren't here, you think we should risk it and switch back to kirby? This exchange right now didn't leave me with a good feeling on him at all. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:16 FirmTofu wrote: Wait, so let me get this straight. getmoript and Corazon are both claiming cop? Are people told whether they are naive/paranoid/sane/insane when they receive their roles? How useful is a cop's accusation when we cannot trust their sanity? I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him. Back to scumhunting. I'm going to ignore the cop claims for now because in NW, I tried to setup speculate and that fucked me over. I don't want to simply assume that two cops can't exist. My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA. TG claimed he was roleblocked. This is not alignment indicative. He was scummy yesterday and nothing has changed to sway my opinion in the other direction. I will talk more about jrkirby and TAA in a few additional posts. Our claimed cop who got green on TAA says that town should not lynch TAA purely based on getmo's cop claim, but still lists him among his scumreads. Bullshit detected. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:45 FirmTofu wrote: Sorry, I meant CDG not TAA. These acronyms are confusing the fuck out of me. Now go through his filter and see for yourself if he had cDg, the cop who just claimed, as suspect earlier. I don't find anything of the sort. | ||
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Basically, Tofu knew two townies were claiming cop at the same time, during that moment. If he didn't, then I would assume this quote would actually free him from all accusations: On July 24 2013 07:56 FirmTofu wrote: I think it's possible that you are VT claiming cop in order to push your strongest scumread. Am I right? But on the other hand, if scum got fakeclaims, then they also knew there were sanities in the game. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:57 FirmTofu wrote: If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. If you want me to vote for anyone other than TG or jrkirby today, you're going to have to make a really solid case against them and convince me. This, on the other hand, makes him look a lot better. Might not be bad to take the leap of faith and vote kirby at this point, cause so far him and TG seem to be the most likely combo. | ||
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On July 31 2013 06:26 jrkirby wrote: What? Tofu and Onegu are currently voting for me, right? Also, Tofu's claim is more believable since it came before 5t said "We probably have 4 cops." Ok, I think this is something I can fry you on cause it could be confirmation bias from a scum knowing that FT is town. Can you explain to me exactly how that is supposed to make Tofu's claim more credible? Are you saying that it would have been less credible if it came afterwards?Why? Would it be more credible if no one claimed after him? Why? | ||
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I'm not sure if I really want to believe that it makes TG autoscum any more. | ||
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I'm actually not feeling confident into my JJD read like that until I've read all of his filter. | ||
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Gn | ||
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I'd actually like if only 1 replacement for scum was allowed for each game, and only for good reasons. Onegu and JJD still played very well. That Onegu vig claim was the shit Wifom-wise, and he simply looked A LOT like a townie who didn't know how to play vig, plus the fact that he did not have to claim, and JJD blended in very well. The guy who got me to push discussion in the first place durnig the last day was Onegu, and the guy responding was mainly JJD, that already says a lot. gg to scum | ||
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On July 31 2013 18:23 geript wrote: Vivax... JJD did not blend well. He was caught, he just killed his snoop. With how much JJD was pushing behind you instead of pushing for his own reasons should've been a good tell. C'mon man. I realized how absent he was through most of the game, but I decided already that one of kirby/TG had to be scum. Then I thought, "well if he's scum maybe he's agreeing on pushing TG cause kriby is his scumbuddy". So I went back to kirby and told myself that I'd look at JJD if kirby flipped scum. I didn't look yet, vut did I even have a chance at convincing FT and TG to switch to JJD?They weren't in the thread at the moment I left. Thanks for hosting anyways | ||
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On July 31 2013 22:56 austinmcc wrote: gg folks. Sorry that I had to replace out, had a death in the family and needed a couple days away. (1) I don't think the setup was imba. We had a 3 man scum team, a scum vigi instead of a 3P source of KP or something, and a very, very strong town team imo. I actually really think that having a hydra, let alone two, town-side, balances out any possible imbalance because we've essentially got bonus townies AND space to discuss things where scum can't see them. (2) Cora, you got a wonky result. I wish you'd either checked with hosts as to what was going on OR posted something specific to thread about your PM. The result you got was wrong, but could have been corrected. You need to explain that good puppy bad puppy shit to me lol. So weird. Where do JJD and geript know each other from? Some other mafia forum? | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote: The good puppy bad puppy shit is just the normal questions I ask. In this case, jrkirby wasn't around much D1, and I wanted to try and get him into thread and talking a little. Accusing someone of never being around, or asking them really pointed questions, doesn't always accomplish that. I'd rather ease into it with a dumb question that also gets him reading someone and giving out a read, then maybe work from there. This game needs more 'psychotrick' questions. Hello, I think you're mafia, please fill out this questionnaire, that sort. | ||
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All of scum jumping out not believing the claim. I got lynched instead  | ||
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