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On July 31 2013 15:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
I just want to know how this setup made it past inspection as an outsider. Its essentially all VTs vs vig/RB/vanilla
not even close to balanced...
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To clarify. Town not having a Vig in a majority voting system when Scum has a vig is pretty much as bastardly as it comes.
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Also, WTF was up with allowing the Dr.H replacement. It was a complete rage quit. Utter and complete. Are you guys going to push for a ban for him?
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On July 31 2013 15:30 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 15:29 phagga wrote:On July 31 2013 15:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Ok, so now that the game is over, I want to explain why I was screwed over by the hosts. I asked Phagga if I could check myself N1. I had replaced in and only had like 6 hours to make reads and decide who to check. I decided a check on myself for sanity would be a good idea. So I did it, and I got back Investigator. So I assume I was a rolecop (because my role PM was not specific on what kind of cop I was). So D2 happened and I went to check TanGeng, and he came back town. I was really pissed. Here's my exchange with Phagga: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From phagga: The PM does not say anything about the brain. Look, these are the rules. If you don't like it, we can gladly discuss it after the game is over. Just know that I checked with Bluelightz N1 before sending you your results, which means that all results so far are according to the rules Bluelightz has set out, and not an error from our side. Show nested quote +Original Message From cDgCorazon: I'm not objectively investigating myself. My equipment was objectively investigating me. Since my equipment does not have a mind of it's own, I was checking it to see if it was functioning properly. My role pm said my brain was fine, just the equipment I was using may or may not be broken. Therefore, I should have been able to deduce my sanity from checking myself. Original Message From phagga: That would depend on your sanity. However, you cannot get your sanity back by checking yourself. How can you objectively investigate yourself? It does not make sense. So you get the only information back that you are sure of: That you are a Detective. Original Message From cDgCorazon: No, my first check should've come back "town" because I am town. Original Message From phagga: We are not bastard hosts. You're first check came back as "Detective" because you checked yourself, your second one comes back like an alignement cop because you ARE an alignement cop. Original Message From cDgCorazon: Are you guys bastard hosts? Why did my first check come back like a rolecop and my second one come back like an alignment cop? Original Message From phagga: Your investigation returns TownOriginal Message From cDgCorazon:
Haha I'm really sorry, but I want to check TanGeng this time. And I'm serious this is the last time I will change it. As you can see, since I was in fact an alignment cop, I should have come back town to myself. Not even because the wording of my role pm says that should happen, it would be very balanced for a detective to sacrifice one check to have some sort of clue what his sanity was. The fact that Bluelightz and Phagga decided N1 that I was a rolecop and N2 that I was an alignment cop really screwed me over and was a vital part in the reasoning I got lynched (besides the fact that Vivax is a complete asshole). I'm definitely not playing another game hosted by Bluelightz again, and I wouldn't have replaced in knowing I was dealing with bastard hosts. You guys say what you want, but that's how I feel about it. Oh Bullshit, you got back Detective, not Investigator. Don't tell me you are making all this fuss because you can't read your fucking PM. + Show Spoiler +
Your investigation (on yourself) returns Detective.
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Ok I would like to check myself, and if I can't do that I will check Oats. Thanks ^^
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Original Message From phagga:
I have forwarded the question to Bluelightz, as I'm unsure on how he planned it.
You can send me a second, alternative action in case that he does not allow it like 30 min before deadline.
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Am I allowed to check myself?
Original Message From phagga:
Thanks a lot! here is your role. I'll make a an announcement in thread now, have fun playing!
Welcome, cDgCorazon to A Bluelightz mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Nope I haven't gotten a message from him. I'll replace in.
Original Message From phagga:
You are signed up as replacement in Bluelightz Mafia. It is currently N1, would you be interested in replacing in? Deadline is 08:00 CEST (+02:00).
It is possible that Bluelightz already sent you a message. However, I'm his cohost and have not heard from him for over 24 hours despite sending him several PMs, so I'm currently preparing for the worst.
Fuck you Phagga. That's not even the point. Why are you dodging the real issue? The fact is that since I was a sane cop, I should have gotten a town check back on myself. You and Bluelightz are fucking bastard hosts and fucking tricked me into thinking I was a rolecop, which looked really scummy when I had to say that I was actually an alignment cop. It's fucking bullshit and you know it.
This is your role PM, emphasis is mine:
Welcome, Zephirdd to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
I don't know how you could interpret this as role cop. Also, you got back "Detective", which is generally an alignement cop, not a role cop. If you were unsure on what role you had, why did you not ask?
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Im at the hospital now but my battery is out, so a quick gg.
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On July 31 2013 15:36 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 15:30 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 31 2013 15:29 phagga wrote:On July 31 2013 15:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Ok, so now that the game is over, I want to explain why I was screwed over by the hosts. I asked Phagga if I could check myself N1. I had replaced in and only had like 6 hours to make reads and decide who to check. I decided a check on myself for sanity would be a good idea. So I did it, and I got back Investigator. So I assume I was a rolecop (because my role PM was not specific on what kind of cop I was). So D2 happened and I went to check TanGeng, and he came back town. I was really pissed. Here's my exchange with Phagga: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From phagga: The PM does not say anything about the brain. Look, these are the rules. If you don't like it, we can gladly discuss it after the game is over. Just know that I checked with Bluelightz N1 before sending you your results, which means that all results so far are according to the rules Bluelightz has set out, and not an error from our side. Show nested quote +Original Message From cDgCorazon: I'm not objectively investigating myself. My equipment was objectively investigating me. Since my equipment does not have a mind of it's own, I was checking it to see if it was functioning properly. My role pm said my brain was fine, just the equipment I was using may or may not be broken. Therefore, I should have been able to deduce my sanity from checking myself. Original Message From phagga: That would depend on your sanity. However, you cannot get your sanity back by checking yourself. How can you objectively investigate yourself? It does not make sense. So you get the only information back that you are sure of: That you are a Detective. Original Message From cDgCorazon: No, my first check should've come back "town" because I am town. Original Message From phagga: We are not bastard hosts. You're first check came back as "Detective" because you checked yourself, your second one comes back like an alignement cop because you ARE an alignement cop. Original Message From cDgCorazon: Are you guys bastard hosts? Why did my first check come back like a rolecop and my second one come back like an alignment cop? Original Message From phagga: Your investigation returns TownOriginal Message From cDgCorazon:
Haha I'm really sorry, but I want to check TanGeng this time. And I'm serious this is the last time I will change it. As you can see, since I was in fact an alignment cop, I should have come back town to myself. Not even because the wording of my role pm says that should happen, it would be very balanced for a detective to sacrifice one check to have some sort of clue what his sanity was. The fact that Bluelightz and Phagga decided N1 that I was a rolecop and N2 that I was an alignment cop really screwed me over and was a vital part in the reasoning I got lynched (besides the fact that Vivax is a complete asshole). I'm definitely not playing another game hosted by Bluelightz again, and I wouldn't have replaced in knowing I was dealing with bastard hosts. You guys say what you want, but that's how I feel about it. Oh Bullshit, you got back Detective, not Investigator. Don't tell me you are making all this fuss because you can't read your fucking PM. + Show Spoiler +
Your investigation (on yourself) returns Detective.
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Ok I would like to check myself, and if I can't do that I will check Oats. Thanks ^^
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Original Message From phagga:
I have forwarded the question to Bluelightz, as I'm unsure on how he planned it.
You can send me a second, alternative action in case that he does not allow it like 30 min before deadline.
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Am I allowed to check myself?
Original Message From phagga:
Thanks a lot! here is your role. I'll make a an announcement in thread now, have fun playing!
Welcome, cDgCorazon to A Bluelightz mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Nope I haven't gotten a message from him. I'll replace in.
Original Message From phagga:
You are signed up as replacement in Bluelightz Mafia. It is currently N1, would you be interested in replacing in? Deadline is 08:00 CEST (+02:00).
It is possible that Bluelightz already sent you a message. However, I'm his cohost and have not heard from him for over 24 hours despite sending him several PMs, so I'm currently preparing for the worst.
Fuck you Phagga. That's not even the point. Why are you dodging the real issue? The fact is that since I was a sane cop, I should have gotten a town check back on myself. You and Bluelightz are fucking bastard hosts and fucking tricked me into thinking I was a rolecop, which looked really scummy when I had to say that I was actually an alignment cop. It's fucking bullshit and you know it. This is your role PM, emphasis is mine: Show nested quote +
Welcome, Zephirdd to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
I don't know how you could interpret this as role cop. Also, you got back "Detective", which is generally an alignement cop, not a role cop. If you were unsure on what role you had, why did you not ask?
Phagga.
Stop dodging the question.
My N1 check came back as a role, and my N2 check came back as an alignment. Now unless Detective was some sort of 3p, I should've either been a role cop or my check on myself should've come back town. Now stop dodging the question and give me an explanation of why one of my checks came back as a role and the other an alignment.
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@Cora... they fucked up. You should've checked someone not yourself regardless. What they say isn't going to change your position and what you say won't change theirs. I get the rage. Trust me I really really do.
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Thanks, but just a check up for my son.
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Well then tell him to get better. Tell him it's not an option to not get better..
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On July 31 2013 15:35 geript wrote:
Also, WTF was up with allowing the Dr.H replacement. It was a complete rage quit. Utter and complete. Are you guys going to push for a ban for him?
This, pretty much.
I can say with some certainty that there is no way I would have allowed Onegu to go unscrutinized the way he did if it weren't for the actions of DrH and then we were killed. (After the Oats flip people should have really looked at him pretty hard anyway.) I am in no way saying that it is entirely the hosts fault that town lost, town was pretty goddamn derpy especially after the extra cop claims but I really do think the fairness of this game can be called into question multiple reasons.
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On July 31 2013 15:32 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 15:29 FirmTofu wrote:
You have to look at my motivations that day as well. I thought Cora was lying for various reasons. Vivax made many good points as well.
I wanted Cora lynched. Obviously, the claim only furthers that goal. Hindsight is 20/20. In order to evaluate my actions fairly, you have to put yourself in my shoes. What you're saying is that you were completely confirmation biased. I didn't care about claiming because I was going to get shot soon regardless and it would allow us to pressure someone who I actually thought was scum. You didn't even want to lynch TAA after his flat out scum claim. There's no amount of confirmation bias that I would've fallen to had TAA come back and responded multiple times in a towny sense. De-tunneling is honestly one of the hardest things to do in the game. But you have to spend time to actively detunnel and take a fresh look at things. Sure, Cora looked scummy; but you looked scummy as hell too. Town can look scummy. It happens.
You were in a completely different situation than me and you are still looking through it in your own little world where you are DT and you got a red check on TAA.
In my world, I don't know if you're lying about the claim.
I don't know if you're sane, insane, random, naive, or paranoid.
I don't know jack shit. I'm basing my read of TAA based on his actions. He said "something something checking me is cheating" but no one post is going to guarantee scum. I had to step back, look at the aggregation of all his posts and decide for myself whether he was worth lynching. Based on his roleclaim, I decided he'd be a solid choice.
You realize that if you were in the game, you would have tunneled me to oblivion and we'd have the same situation? Luckily for you, Cora would've actually been sane cop, but there's no way to know that in your position. In OBS QT after you died, you say that I'm probably scum, remember?
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On July 31 2013 15:38 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 15:36 phagga wrote:On July 31 2013 15:30 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 31 2013 15:29 phagga wrote:On July 31 2013 15:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Ok, so now that the game is over, I want to explain why I was screwed over by the hosts. I asked Phagga if I could check myself N1. I had replaced in and only had like 6 hours to make reads and decide who to check. I decided a check on myself for sanity would be a good idea. So I did it, and I got back Investigator. So I assume I was a rolecop (because my role PM was not specific on what kind of cop I was). So D2 happened and I went to check TanGeng, and he came back town. I was really pissed. Here's my exchange with Phagga: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From phagga: The PM does not say anything about the brain. Look, these are the rules. If you don't like it, we can gladly discuss it after the game is over. Just know that I checked with Bluelightz N1 before sending you your results, which means that all results so far are according to the rules Bluelightz has set out, and not an error from our side. Show nested quote +Original Message From cDgCorazon: I'm not objectively investigating myself. My equipment was objectively investigating me. Since my equipment does not have a mind of it's own, I was checking it to see if it was functioning properly. My role pm said my brain was fine, just the equipment I was using may or may not be broken. Therefore, I should have been able to deduce my sanity from checking myself. Original Message From phagga: That would depend on your sanity. However, you cannot get your sanity back by checking yourself. How can you objectively investigate yourself? It does not make sense. So you get the only information back that you are sure of: That you are a Detective. Original Message From cDgCorazon: No, my first check should've come back "town" because I am town. Original Message From phagga: We are not bastard hosts. You're first check came back as "Detective" because you checked yourself, your second one comes back like an alignement cop because you ARE an alignement cop. Original Message From cDgCorazon: Are you guys bastard hosts? Why did my first check come back like a rolecop and my second one come back like an alignment cop? Original Message From phagga: Your investigation returns TownOriginal Message From cDgCorazon:
Haha I'm really sorry, but I want to check TanGeng this time. And I'm serious this is the last time I will change it. As you can see, since I was in fact an alignment cop, I should have come back town to myself. Not even because the wording of my role pm says that should happen, it would be very balanced for a detective to sacrifice one check to have some sort of clue what his sanity was. The fact that Bluelightz and Phagga decided N1 that I was a rolecop and N2 that I was an alignment cop really screwed me over and was a vital part in the reasoning I got lynched (besides the fact that Vivax is a complete asshole). I'm definitely not playing another game hosted by Bluelightz again, and I wouldn't have replaced in knowing I was dealing with bastard hosts. You guys say what you want, but that's how I feel about it. Oh Bullshit, you got back Detective, not Investigator. Don't tell me you are making all this fuss because you can't read your fucking PM. + Show Spoiler +
Your investigation (on yourself) returns Detective.
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Ok I would like to check myself, and if I can't do that I will check Oats. Thanks ^^
Hide nested quote -
Original Message From phagga:
I have forwarded the question to Bluelightz, as I'm unsure on how he planned it.
You can send me a second, alternative action in case that he does not allow it like 30 min before deadline.
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Am I allowed to check myself?
Original Message From phagga:
Thanks a lot! here is your role. I'll make a an announcement in thread now, have fun playing!
Welcome, cDgCorazon to A Bluelightz mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Nope I haven't gotten a message from him. I'll replace in.
Original Message From phagga:
You are signed up as replacement in Bluelightz Mafia. It is currently N1, would you be interested in replacing in? Deadline is 08:00 CEST (+02:00).
It is possible that Bluelightz already sent you a message. However, I'm his cohost and have not heard from him for over 24 hours despite sending him several PMs, so I'm currently preparing for the worst.
Fuck you Phagga. That's not even the point. Why are you dodging the real issue? The fact is that since I was a sane cop, I should have gotten a town check back on myself. You and Bluelightz are fucking bastard hosts and fucking tricked me into thinking I was a rolecop, which looked really scummy when I had to say that I was actually an alignment cop. It's fucking bullshit and you know it. This is your role PM, emphasis is mine:
Welcome, Zephirdd to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
I don't know how you could interpret this as role cop. Also, you got back "Detective", which is generally an alignement cop, not a role cop. If you were unsure on what role you had, why did you not ask? Phagga. Stop dodging the question. My N1 check came back as a role, and my N2 check came back as an alignment. Now unless Detective was some sort of 3p, I should've either been a role cop or my check on myself should've come back town. Now stop dodging the question and give me an explanation of why one of my checks came back as a role and the other an alignment.
I already answered that question in the PM you quoted. You can't get your sanity by checking yourself, that does not really make any sense.
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On July 31 2013 15:41 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 15:38 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 31 2013 15:36 phagga wrote:On July 31 2013 15:30 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 31 2013 15:29 phagga wrote:On July 31 2013 15:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Ok, so now that the game is over, I want to explain why I was screwed over by the hosts. I asked Phagga if I could check myself N1. I had replaced in and only had like 6 hours to make reads and decide who to check. I decided a check on myself for sanity would be a good idea. So I did it, and I got back Investigator. So I assume I was a rolecop (because my role PM was not specific on what kind of cop I was). So D2 happened and I went to check TanGeng, and he came back town. I was really pissed. Here's my exchange with Phagga: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From phagga: The PM does not say anything about the brain. Look, these are the rules. If you don't like it, we can gladly discuss it after the game is over. Just know that I checked with Bluelightz N1 before sending you your results, which means that all results so far are according to the rules Bluelightz has set out, and not an error from our side. Show nested quote +Original Message From cDgCorazon: I'm not objectively investigating myself. My equipment was objectively investigating me. Since my equipment does not have a mind of it's own, I was checking it to see if it was functioning properly. My role pm said my brain was fine, just the equipment I was using may or may not be broken. Therefore, I should have been able to deduce my sanity from checking myself. Original Message From phagga: That would depend on your sanity. However, you cannot get your sanity back by checking yourself. How can you objectively investigate yourself? It does not make sense. So you get the only information back that you are sure of: That you are a Detective. Original Message From cDgCorazon: No, my first check should've come back "town" because I am town. Original Message From phagga: We are not bastard hosts. You're first check came back as "Detective" because you checked yourself, your second one comes back like an alignement cop because you ARE an alignement cop. Original Message From cDgCorazon: Are you guys bastard hosts? Why did my first check come back like a rolecop and my second one come back like an alignment cop? Original Message From phagga: Your investigation returns TownOriginal Message From cDgCorazon:
Haha I'm really sorry, but I want to check TanGeng this time. And I'm serious this is the last time I will change it. As you can see, since I was in fact an alignment cop, I should have come back town to myself. Not even because the wording of my role pm says that should happen, it would be very balanced for a detective to sacrifice one check to have some sort of clue what his sanity was. The fact that Bluelightz and Phagga decided N1 that I was a rolecop and N2 that I was an alignment cop really screwed me over and was a vital part in the reasoning I got lynched (besides the fact that Vivax is a complete asshole). I'm definitely not playing another game hosted by Bluelightz again, and I wouldn't have replaced in knowing I was dealing with bastard hosts. You guys say what you want, but that's how I feel about it. Oh Bullshit, you got back Detective, not Investigator. Don't tell me you are making all this fuss because you can't read your fucking PM. + Show Spoiler +
Your investigation (on yourself) returns Detective.
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Ok I would like to check myself, and if I can't do that I will check Oats. Thanks ^^
Hide nested quote -
Original Message From phagga:
I have forwarded the question to Bluelightz, as I'm unsure on how he planned it.
You can send me a second, alternative action in case that he does not allow it like 30 min before deadline.
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Am I allowed to check myself?
Original Message From phagga:
Thanks a lot! here is your role. I'll make a an announcement in thread now, have fun playing!
Welcome, cDgCorazon to A Bluelightz mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Nope I haven't gotten a message from him. I'll replace in.
Original Message From phagga:
You are signed up as replacement in Bluelightz Mafia. It is currently N1, would you be interested in replacing in? Deadline is 08:00 CEST (+02:00).
It is possible that Bluelightz already sent you a message. However, I'm his cohost and have not heard from him for over 24 hours despite sending him several PMs, so I'm currently preparing for the worst.
Fuck you Phagga. That's not even the point. Why are you dodging the real issue? The fact is that since I was a sane cop, I should have gotten a town check back on myself. You and Bluelightz are fucking bastard hosts and fucking tricked me into thinking I was a rolecop, which looked really scummy when I had to say that I was actually an alignment cop. It's fucking bullshit and you know it. This is your role PM, emphasis is mine:
Welcome, Zephirdd to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
I don't know how you could interpret this as role cop. Also, you got back "Detective", which is generally an alignement cop, not a role cop. If you were unsure on what role you had, why did you not ask? Phagga. Stop dodging the question. My N1 check came back as a role, and my N2 check came back as an alignment. Now unless Detective was some sort of 3p, I should've either been a role cop or my check on myself should've come back town. Now stop dodging the question and give me an explanation of why one of my checks came back as a role and the other an alignment. I already answered that question in the PM you quoted. You can't get your sanity by checking yourself, that does not really make any sense.
Then why did you allow it? I asked for it.
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On July 31 2013 15:42 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 15:41 phagga wrote:On July 31 2013 15:38 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 31 2013 15:36 phagga wrote:On July 31 2013 15:30 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 31 2013 15:29 phagga wrote:On July 31 2013 15:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Ok, so now that the game is over, I want to explain why I was screwed over by the hosts. I asked Phagga if I could check myself N1. I had replaced in and only had like 6 hours to make reads and decide who to check. I decided a check on myself for sanity would be a good idea. So I did it, and I got back Investigator. So I assume I was a rolecop (because my role PM was not specific on what kind of cop I was). So D2 happened and I went to check TanGeng, and he came back town. I was really pissed. Here's my exchange with Phagga: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From phagga: The PM does not say anything about the brain. Look, these are the rules. If you don't like it, we can gladly discuss it after the game is over. Just know that I checked with Bluelightz N1 before sending you your results, which means that all results so far are according to the rules Bluelightz has set out, and not an error from our side. Show nested quote +Original Message From cDgCorazon: I'm not objectively investigating myself. My equipment was objectively investigating me. Since my equipment does not have a mind of it's own, I was checking it to see if it was functioning properly. My role pm said my brain was fine, just the equipment I was using may or may not be broken. Therefore, I should have been able to deduce my sanity from checking myself. Original Message From phagga: That would depend on your sanity. However, you cannot get your sanity back by checking yourself. How can you objectively investigate yourself? It does not make sense. So you get the only information back that you are sure of: That you are a Detective. Original Message From cDgCorazon: No, my first check should've come back "town" because I am town. Original Message From phagga: We are not bastard hosts. You're first check came back as "Detective" because you checked yourself, your second one comes back like an alignement cop because you ARE an alignement cop. Original Message From cDgCorazon: Are you guys bastard hosts? Why did my first check come back like a rolecop and my second one come back like an alignment cop? Original Message From phagga: Your investigation returns TownOriginal Message From cDgCorazon:
Haha I'm really sorry, but I want to check TanGeng this time. And I'm serious this is the last time I will change it. As you can see, since I was in fact an alignment cop, I should have come back town to myself. Not even because the wording of my role pm says that should happen, it would be very balanced for a detective to sacrifice one check to have some sort of clue what his sanity was. The fact that Bluelightz and Phagga decided N1 that I was a rolecop and N2 that I was an alignment cop really screwed me over and was a vital part in the reasoning I got lynched (besides the fact that Vivax is a complete asshole). I'm definitely not playing another game hosted by Bluelightz again, and I wouldn't have replaced in knowing I was dealing with bastard hosts. You guys say what you want, but that's how I feel about it. Oh Bullshit, you got back Detective, not Investigator. Don't tell me you are making all this fuss because you can't read your fucking PM. + Show Spoiler +
Your investigation (on yourself) returns Detective.
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Ok I would like to check myself, and if I can't do that I will check Oats. Thanks ^^
Hide nested quote -
Original Message From phagga:
I have forwarded the question to Bluelightz, as I'm unsure on how he planned it.
You can send me a second, alternative action in case that he does not allow it like 30 min before deadline.
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Am I allowed to check myself?
Original Message From phagga:
Thanks a lot! here is your role. I'll make a an announcement in thread now, have fun playing!
Welcome, cDgCorazon to A Bluelightz mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
Original Message From cDgCorazon:
Nope I haven't gotten a message from him. I'll replace in.
Original Message From phagga:
You are signed up as replacement in Bluelightz Mafia. It is currently N1, would you be interested in replacing in? Deadline is 08:00 CEST (+02:00).
It is possible that Bluelightz already sent you a message. However, I'm his cohost and have not heard from him for over 24 hours despite sending him several PMs, so I'm currently preparing for the worst.
Fuck you Phagga. That's not even the point. Why are you dodging the real issue? The fact is that since I was a sane cop, I should have gotten a town check back on myself. You and Bluelightz are fucking bastard hosts and fucking tricked me into thinking I was a rolecop, which looked really scummy when I had to say that I was actually an alignment cop. It's fucking bullshit and you know it. This is your role PM, emphasis is mine:
Welcome, Zephirdd to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
I don't know how you could interpret this as role cop. Also, you got back "Detective", which is generally an alignement cop, not a role cop. If you were unsure on what role you had, why did you not ask? Phagga. Stop dodging the question. My N1 check came back as a role, and my N2 check came back as an alignment. Now unless Detective was some sort of 3p, I should've either been a role cop or my check on myself should've come back town. Now stop dodging the question and give me an explanation of why one of my checks came back as a role and the other an alignment. I already answered that question in the PM you quoted. You can't get your sanity by checking yourself, that does not really make any sense. Then why did you allow it? I asked for it.
I'll have to let Bluelightz answer that one, since he made the setup.
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To try and play devil's advocate a little here, I have never heard of anyone DT checking themselves in a game.
I assume that Bluelightz had no desire to let you break his game in that way, but the way it was dealt with by returning the role instead of an alignment really fucked things up.
DrH really fucked things up.
The fact that one of our players was completely not present for the first day of voting (and some questionable afks and then returns) really fucked things up.
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This game was a combination of bad setup, good mafia play, and bastard hosts. 2/3 things could've been controlled.
Oh well, now I know never to play a Bluelightz game again. GG
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There was no way in fuck town deserved to win this game. Aside from the TAA rolecheck by Geript, we basically did nothing right. I'm not going to blame "basterd hosts" for my own mistakes. Had I/we played better, we would have won.
Yes, bluelightz/phagga were a little ambiguous on the role pms. Yes, bluelightz/phagga made a scum favored setup. Yes, bluelightz/phagga made a questionable decision by leading on cDg with his check on himself by giving him his role.
That doesn't invalidate that fact that we, collectively, as town were unable to even lynch someone on Day 1. That is truly disgraceful. We didn't deserve to win and Onegu and JJD should be credited for their play.
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On July 31 2013 15:51 FirmTofu wrote:
There was no way in fuck town deserved to win this game. Aside from the TAA rolecheck by Geript, we basically did nothing right. I'm not going to blame "basterd hosts" for my own mistakes. Had I/we played better, we would have won.
Yes, bluelightz/phagga were a little ambiguous on the role pms. Yes, bluelightz/phagga made a scum favored setup. Yes, bluelightz/phagga made a questionable decision by leading on cDg with his check on himself by giving him his role.
That doesn't invalidate that fact that we, collectively, as town were unable to even lynch someone on Day 1. That is truly disgraceful. We didn't deserve to win and Onegu and JJD should be credited for their play.
I agree that town played like shit and most likely did not deserve to win, but that doesn't change the fact that there many things that set us at huge disadvantages from the start.
I don't complain about balance and stuff like this particularly often and am more than content to accept this loss along with my many others, but there are occurrences in this game that flat-out should not have happened and they need to be addressed in my opinion.
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I'm going to try and remain impartial as I write this, but here are my list of grievances to the hosts so they can, hopefully, improve their hosting. Take it as constructive criticism.
1) Setup was improperly balanced.
You can't give scum 2 power roles, one being a mafia-vig, and not give town some sort of power role with guaranteed scumhunting power. There should have been a DT that at least knew he was sane. That way, we could evaluate the others based on his checks. We need some sort of grounding. We can never be sure that someone's checks are correct, the roles are worthless.
As far as I'm concerned, town had no power roles.
2) Replacements
You can't replace DrH in that kind of situation. It gives scum an unfair advantage. We can't hold DrH accountable for his actions not voting for TanGeng and thus cannot effectively play the game. He should have been modkilled.
3) Giving an alignment cop a role check when he checks himself
You can't lead him on and imply that his check on himself would have value. That's simply unfair. If he's going to check himself, you should at least have the decency to tell him that it'll be worthless. If you can't do that, please, for the love of god, don't give him a role instead of an alignment. It's just common courtesy.
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