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I actually wonder about if scum knew I was 3P from the time I claimed or not. I have reason to believe they might have, but they also might not have. It essentially comes down to which roles THEY were given info about, and I don't know what they were given aside from their 3 fakeclaims, if anything.
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On July 05 2013 01:08 Vivax wrote:Look, it's really not hard to find out who the liar is. See the time of fuba's claim? See the first posts from WoS since that happened? Is he communicating in any way that he's SURE that fuba must be scum cause of the alleged survivor fakeclaim? No, cause WoS made up the whole fucking story. He's scum. Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll be back later on after my guy's first nightfeed.
Oats for the record I think your original idea made the most sense but now I don't know what to do about the hole gumshoe has climbed into. We should at least start looking into which of the greens are the most scummy and then we can decide later on if it makes more sense to lynch blue or green. (It might make more sense to lynch blue due to simple probability but as you said it might work itself out through N2 actions so I'm not sure.) Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 17:19 mkfuba07 wrote:
Sorry for getting back so late, but it looks like a lot of you figured out my role already. I'm Hans Landa - German Survivor Jailkeeper. No jail last night, since it really didn't look like I was going to be NK'd, and after that shitstorm with marv/rayn/lazer/etc there were likely better vigi shots. If WoS is telling the truth, then it looks like scum has a roleblocker and saw him as possibly blue. If he's lying, then... he's scum.
To make up for the Vayne lynch a bit (that came way too close for me :S), I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one, since this setup makes massclaims really likely, and it feels like it's gonna be really hard to walk that line between town and scum.
Oh yeah, marv, I thought I responded to your questions in my nested post. You asked what the contradictions were, and I answered it, and you asked what the "possibly scummy but sometimes townie" elements of stutters' filter were, and I answered that too. Lemme know if there's something else I missed. And if you could actually comment on what I wrote, that'd be great, instead of doing what everyone apparently does with my posts and skimming it, saying nothing, and pulling it out when they're strarving for scumreads.
Also, though I didn't have time or necessarily the inclination to comment on it before, I'm pretty reasonably convinced you're town. Rayn's later posts about you were giving me a similar feeling to the post by oats I brought up earlier regarding rayn himself. There was an incredible amount of confirmation bias going on that even I could see, and I agreed with him that in that situation it was scummy for you to be suspicious of lazer. I also think your responses were in line with townie marv. I can't explain away the main reason for the scumread, since I still think the logic is for the most part sound, but with the clusterfuck of claims this thread's become at the moment, it's hard to analyze anything clearly.
It *is* clear, however, that there's something fishy going on with the claims, though I cba to find out what it is at the moment. I haven't slept in almost 48 hours, my brain is slowing to the speed of a snail, and I almost passed out 4 5 times while writing this post. I'll be back tomorrow, gonna need like half a day of sleep... Read what I wrote about stutters, and tell me what's actually wrong with the reasoning (not just marv, but anyone who actually disagrees with it). Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad
Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes
scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
so nice not to have to lie anymore. hell i didnt even lie this much when i was scum Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
so nice not to have to lie anymore. hell i didnt even lie this much when i was scum Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 04 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad
Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes
scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen Could really do with you explaining your terribad shot on me if you're town, dear. oh im not. This is his actual vote explanation, it's not HEY GUYS FUBA IS SCUM, it's "well, I'll simply vote the other lynch option". Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 06:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and I suppose while we're at it, a lady does need to stay alive, too.
##Unvote
##Vote: fuba dooba
lol Vivax.
I'm the survivor. I don't give a shit about hunting scum, but I know fuba is scum because he claimed my role.
I'm voting him not because he is scum, but because voting him saves my life.
People overthink things like cray cray
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On July 05 2013 01:14 Vivax wrote:Wrong, you need to stay alive, and scumhunting helps you at that when you claim your role to town. Pointing to fuba being scum immediately would have been your chance to show some good will and not get lynched when counterclaiming. With your posts not showing that, you show lack of the mindset of someone knowing that someone fakeclaimed. You should have known that whoever gets lynched first, the other would have been proven a liar.You didn't act according to that knowledge.
I DO know that, I just don't think my chances of winning this game are any higher either way.
Gogo Vivax, lose town the game! Convince them to lose!
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Can 'dick-move' analysis be a thing?
I want to bring it up in future games and have people just know what I'm talking about like the kenpachi rule and shit.
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I'll show you, buddy. But of course, like JJD you won't care much. :D
Actually screw most of what I said.
Just thought of this. WoS claims to have gone through ALL of this mess to try avoid scum knowing he is actually the vigilante. But this is BS. He claims vigi that is RBed so the only way scum would not know him being survivor is if the just RNGed their RB onto him. Now this in it self is really fucking unlikely but it does happend. However, if scum actually think that he is vigi, then he is in serious risk of getting killed at night. And survivors want to survive, remember? So the only fucking realistic way that scum would belive that he is vigi is if the survivor randomly RBs him. But then fuba claims he is survivor, he says that he RB anyone.
Why would you ever want to go through anything like this as survivor? Well, you wouldn't... Its just too much of a stretch. Fuba's play can be explained by bad play. But WoS is clearly lying here. WoS is the correct person to lynch...
When did I say I was trying to avoid scum knowing I'm vig? I'm not fucking vig. Vig was the useable claim that I got for the massclaim, so I used it. I think that's pretty simple.
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Like, if you think I should have just claimed survivor in the first place instead of bothering with vig, I already explained that, read my filter.
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On July 05 2013 03:00 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lazer, your reasoning is that WoS is scum because no survivor would claim Vigi? No survivor in this setup would ever claim vigi THAT GOT ROLEBLOCKED when his ambition was TO AVOID SCUM KNOWING WHO TEH SURVIVOR IS. How can you not see this? He is so fucking obviously lying. And why would he lie here? it doesn't make any goddamn sense...
It makes perfect sense. I had to claim something to appease town. I claimed roleblocked vigi so scum might think I was roleblocked by a survivor who wasn't me. It was a long shot but I had to take it. Hence the 'I'm fucked' argument.
At this point people are just coming out of the woodwork with their own batshit theories trying to pin whatever they can to me to see if it sticks. I'm done. If people want me to die, so be it. If people want fuba dead, so be that.
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On July 05 2013 03:03 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 02:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like, if you think I should have just claimed survivor in the first place instead of bothering with vig, I already explained that, read my filter. Ah, well I guess I missread a bit. So you are saying that you claimed vigi because you wanted to put fuba in a position where he was forced to claim miller, is that right?
Well I assumed that's what he was given, but his claim blindsided me completely.
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Essentially I hoped to get through the day with scum thinking there was survivor 'out there' since they'd know they didn't RB me, and for town not to even bother thinking there was a survivor since scum could have RBed. I didn't think it would unravel this quickly, but I assumed it would.
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On July 05 2013 03:05 iGrok wrote:
jailkeepers cannot jail themselves because they own the key to the jail, duh.
mafia kp cannot be roleblocked.
LOL DID GUMSHOE ASK YOU THIS
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On July 05 2013 03:09 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 03:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 05 2013 03:03 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 05 2013 02:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like, if you think I should have just claimed survivor in the first place instead of bothering with vig, I already explained that, read my filter. Ah, well I guess I missread a bit. So you are saying that you claimed vigi because you wanted to put fuba in a position where he was forced to claim miller, is that right? Well I assumed that's what he was given, but his claim blindsided me completely. I can't belive once in a million years that this is true. No way in hell did you just not think of the possibilty of him fake-claiming survivor. Like, the only thing you have to do is survive. Yet you are on the verge of failing that because you didn't think insanely simple stuff liek this through. If this is true and you indeed are the survivor, you still deserve to get lynched. You are basically playing against your win con by doing shit like this...
Yeah, no.
No I'm not.
Now you're just flailing 'cause I proved you wrong and you don't feel like unvoting me.
But that's ok buddy, I forgive you.
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On July 05 2013 03:10 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad
Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes
scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen Can you explain WoS exactly what you were doing to be nice to the scumteam? Are you speaking of claiming vig instead of survivor?
Not JKing anyone.
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I'd also like to note, for future reference, are the people voting against me assuming that fuba is actually the survivor? Have they mentioned this out loud in the thread? This information will become pertinent I believe after the flip.
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Lol here's another fun fact:
I've been pretty much winning the vote war (ie I'm not getting lynched) since this shitstorm happened. So why exactly do I even need to be here answering questions for you guys when fuba has posted 3 things and fucked off all day?
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On July 05 2013 03:17 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd also like to note, for future reference, are the people voting against me assuming that fuba is actually the survivor? Have they mentioned this out loud in the thread? This information will become pertinent I believe after the flip. You are not doing a very good job of trying to "contribute".
Oh I don't give a shit about finding scum, I've made that pretty evident. If I survive and get bored I suppose it's possible. But I've at least come out and said it. People have been ignoring fuba's 'contributions' for hours and they're pretty telling in my opinion.
Gone for a bit now, will be in and out before lynch. For those of you who are town and trying to lynch me right now because you are bull-headed and ignorant, feel lucky that there are scum and level-headed town lynching fuba so you don't lose this game flat-out.
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On July 05 2013 03:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd also like to note, for future reference, are the people voting against me assuming that fuba is actually the survivor? Have they mentioned this out loud in the thread? This information will become pertinent I believe after the flip. I've mentioned the possibility of dual-scumclaims. I'm not really leaning one way or the other. But what I'm sure of is that you can't possbly be survivor.
You heard it here, ladies and gents. He took a stance on fuba.
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On July 05 2013 03:23 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad
Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes
scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen The tone of this post says you expected the scum team to know who you were. Look here too: Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 06:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 04 2013 06:28 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 06:09 marvellosity wrote:
hey gumshoe. So WoS claimed vigilante who tried to shoot me, right?
That means he's going to be exposed as a liar sooner rather than later, given he's not actually going to be able to shoot anyone.
This means two things
a) he's going to be exposed as a liar
b) by claiming vigilante he's making himself a night-target.
No? This is the mind fuck right here. Assuming he cant know if hes was blocked by maifa. This is all encompassing play. Hes trying to give the impression he was blocked by actual survivor XD in order to try and convince mafia he has a guardian angel. If mafia did block him. They still have to maybe come to terms with the idea that hes not survivor and that real survivor is out there, with the potential to protect him because hes supposedly blue. If they didn't then they have to assume hes either lying or Landa protected him. If they assume hes lying what do they care, hes casting doubt on the blues and throwing town into disarray. It's really quite brilliant. The problem as I mentioned is town itself not willing to accept his crazy story. I feel WOS thought he could swing it and didn't count on being chosen as scum over Lazer. He also probably counted on scums support persecuting Lazer and defending him... Which I feel he got. Oh and if they feel hes telling the truth then they have to role block him and target Landa. He may also have powers we are unaware of. Point is they're is something going on here, even if we dont know what we have to accept that it exists. Comparatively they're is nothing happening over on Fubas side. Also I dont think he believed that scum would take survivor. Pretty much right aside from some (important) minor details. The survivor claim blindsided me as you can see, my posting during the claims indicated I assumed fuba would simply be fucked because he'd be forced to grab the last miller spot. Instead mafia decided to pit me against him since he was under suspicion anyway on a gamble that I'd be more suspicious and they'd keep the extra KP. They gambled poorly in my opinion. Essentially they lose fuba one day early and lose the extra KP making it easier for you guys now; had you lynched me THEN lynched fuba you'd be lost at LYLO because you have no idea where to go next. I'd like to think them losing a KP means I'm safe, but yeah....JK is a good role toi have. Now you are saying this: Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 03:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Essentially I hoped to get through the day with scum thinking there was survivor 'out there' since they'd know they didn't RB me, and for town not to even bother thinking there was a survivor since scum could have RBed. I didn't think it would unravel this quickly, but I assumed it would. Can you explain?
God FUCK
ACTUAL LAST POST
I didn't expect them to know exactly who I was, just that there WAS a survivor, and he clearly wasn't trying to work against scum. They forced me to claim by pitting me against fuba but it technically could have been anyone IF they didn't know it was me specifically, which they might have.
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On July 05 2013 05:48 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 05:46 marvellosity wrote:
Put it this way Lazer, mafia can afford to lose a member, survivor can't Yhea, but both survivor and mafia wants to survive this lynch very bad so your argument is invalid...
So then you're sure one of us is survivor and one of us is scum then, huh?
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PS I'm not arguing with people over the same shit once fuba flips red.
I'm extremely sick of it.
If people still want to lynch me after go right ahead.
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