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On July 04 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
A weird thing for me is that he claimed.
I would never have claimed, i didnt even think about it till the mass claim shit. So it seems like really weird for a townie to think of claiming a VT role.
Oats I don't think I've ever seen you play so...level-headedly?
I think that's a pretty good point.
Can I ask you something randomly? I seem to remember you defending me pretty hard when I first claimed. Why were you so sure of me at the time?
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On July 04 2013 14:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 14:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 04 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
A weird thing for me is that he claimed.
I would never have claimed, i didnt even think about it till the mass claim shit. So it seems like really weird for a townie to think of claiming a VT role. Oats I don't think I've ever seen you play so...level-headedly? I think that's a pretty good point. Can I ask you something randomly? I seem to remember you defending me pretty hard when I first claimed. Why were you so sure of me at the time? Your stream of consciousness shit felt really townie, like you were irritated that I stopped you and shit. I dunno, I just got a really good feeling that you were town WoS. Which isnt totally accurate.
lol well to be fair my mindset at the time was town.
I guess sort of the same way I played scum in Les Mafia, I literally played for town exactly the way I would have if I were town a whole bunch that game.
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On July 04 2013 14:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 04 2013 13:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim? How does this affect you? Ok, so here's the deal. I think Wave messed up the timeframes and thought that the pause happened AFTER the whole mass roleclaim discussion. He's making shit up now about not remembering timestamps and being told that he's not allowed to discuss it but check this out: Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 11:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I didn't want to say so at the time but I definitely agree with those who said a mass rolelclaim kinda takes a little of the fun out of it, never mind the fact that it made the game very VERY difficult for me. Why would he be "absolutely fucked"? The roleclaim discussion happened AFTER the pause in the game. Which means he must have his role already. SO I ask him when he got his role: Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 13:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 04 2013 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 04 2013 13:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim? How does this affect you? Good question. I'll answer JJD anyway; essentially upon writing my massive explanation I immediately remembered two people claimed way before everyone else. Since I was missing for much of D1 I thought that fakeclaim timing could maybe explain why you two claimed so early with respect to everyone else but I didn't bother to check timestamps or anything like that cuz lazy and it turns out I was probably wrong. As far as the timing of my fakeclaims I'm kind of hesitant to talk much more about shit iGrok and I talked about cuz against da rulez. Let me make it real easy for you JJD. Vote me if you think I'm scum, vote Fuba if you think he's scum. I don't think anyone will hold it against you either way so you don't need to write a long essay about how I got caught in a slip or some shit because I honestly couldn't care any less. He's trying to retcon what he said right here. He starts talking about timestamps and says oh he was probably wrong. How could he have been wrong? Did he somehow imagine the feeling of being "absolutely fucked" when people were talking about roleclaims? WoS is absolutely scum. No doubt about it.
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17oskq9jniazojpg/original.jpg
You derp.
I was gone that entire time so that feeling of being fucked and the pause in the game and whatnot all happened around the same time for me when I happened to read it.
But again by all means, vote me.
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Aww I messed up my post so the picture doesn't show.
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LOL I just checked when I got the claims.
As much as I'd love to shove it down your throat JJD it doesn't seem as though I'd be allowed to really talk about it/compare.
You go ahead and bug iGrok to see if it's allowed because I've bugged him enough this game and again I honestly don't care.
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Phoneposting
Ok so if you assume B then the last 4 people to claim must be scum and survivor right?
Makes sense right JJD?
And as far as being fucked goes, IMSTILL FUCKED, I just don't care now.
:D
Also anyone else think Vivaxtrying not to get shot tonight is pretty cute?
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Oh and abou fakeclaims:
There are some roles I know about. Likewise I'm assuming scum were given some roles they know about. I was worried at first we were given some overlap but after I originally claimed that proved not to be true. They didn't know if there was a donowitz and LIKELY didn't know if I existed (though the RB claim probably gave that away since I'm not scum)
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Not martyring, dear, just expressing ma feerings.
Its funny I know I said earlier that no one would hold it afainst JJD whoever he voted. He seems to be REALLY convinced that I'm scum so why not just vote? Vivax did with basically zero reason and zero care and no one really got on him about it much.
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Lol why do you think I felt fucked when given a vigi claim?
You're right though Oats there's not much more to say on the matter. I'm not allowed to talk about what other role info I wss given.
You guys make your decision and ill see you around fliptime unless anyone has anything specific for me.
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To answer that question is really toeing the line.
Effectively the answer is yes.
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On July 04 2013 23:57 marvellosity wrote:Is it just me desperately trying to work out what information WoS could possibly have been given that he can't disclose? 
Again, I've bugged the everloving shit out of iGrok this game, so you're welcome to ask him what and how I can or can't disclose to you guys in more detail. (I was almost modkilled already I think.) I will gladly answer if I get the ok from him.
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On July 05 2013 00:06 marvellosity wrote:
Wasn't digging at you, WoS, more my own personal battle of frustration and all that ^^
I really think we need to lynch fuba, because if WoS is scum constantly referencing host decisions/orders, it's one of the biggest dick moves of all time imo. Don't wanna go down that path.
Lol now I feel like I'll have to try that in my next scumgame. I don't see what's inherently dickish about it, especially since this is kind of game that was created. If it was like Les (where we got fakeclaims) with no named VTs and a semi-closed setup (I think?) then the fakeclaims wouldn't even be in question because there was no way for people to reference or know anything.
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On July 05 2013 00:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 00:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 05 2013 00:06 marvellosity wrote:
Wasn't digging at you, WoS, more my own personal battle of frustration and all that ^^
I really think we need to lynch fuba, because if WoS is scum constantly referencing host decisions/orders, it's one of the biggest dick moves of all time imo. Don't wanna go down that path. Lol now I feel like I'll have to try that in my next scumgame. I don't see what's inherently dickish about it, especially since this is kind of game that was created. If it was like Les (where we got fakeclaims) with no named VTs and a semi-closed setup (I think?) then the fakeclaims wouldn't even be in question because there was no way for people to reference or know anything. The inherently dickish thing would be making up what hosts did or did not tell you. If everything you've said is true, then you have to be survivor. I think making up shit that hosts haven't said is pretty dickish.
I'm pretty sure that's also against the rules.
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Like that I almost got modkilled for lying about iGrok said? Ok yeah I get it. Not what I did though. And no I definitely wouldn't do that as scum.
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Eh, I wouldn't be so sure JJD is scum just because of this.
Ooo! Ooo! I thought of another reason I'm likely fucked though. After he flips the argument will eventually be brought up that both me and Fuba could have been scum so maybe scum WON'T NK me and leave it to you guys to confirm it.
C'est la vie.
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On July 05 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 05 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
JJD, you don't agree with me that it would be a dick move to lie about what the hosts told you you could and couldn't say? Yes. That doesn't mean I don't think it's the only thing that makes sense. The biggest dick move would be if you were both scum and you were trying to save him by saying that he wouldn't do this because it's a dick move.  Well, you'll have to reasonably explain to me that WoS as a person would indulge in lying about what the hosts told him if you want me to even entertain your argument about him being mafia. Can you do that?
Oh snap.
JJD you played on a fucking TEAM with me as scum.
Do you think that's how I'd play?
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I didn't jail anyone. I think I said as much in my big post but maybe I forgot.
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It's possible I actually got RBed lol but since I didn't do anything I wouldn't know.
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On July 05 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor.
Or at least a weaker player than me.
/flex
Why didn't I jail anyone? Again I think I wrote it in my big post---selfishness and trying to get it so that neither scum nor town could afford to kill me. Didn't want to go preventing any town deaths now did I?
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