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Also when i see strong town tells i treat those people as town. I do it as mafia too but that does not definitely make me mafia. If you can't understand my thought process you should maybe reread my posts. I'll talk about WoS more when i am able to - i am in the middle of moving my stuff to a new place so it might still take a while. I also want to hear why Stutters thinks i'm the "towniest motherfucker alive"? | ||
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On June 30 2013 07:29 Vivax wrote: Rayn pretty much townie too. Stutters's post that looks bad could be the "know something we don't?" thing. How is scum supposed to know anything about the amount of millers in the game? They can't roll them lol. I don't see why WoS should be scum for writing in French though. On June 30 2013 07:38 Vivax wrote: Addendum to the stutters thing: Looks like a loaded question scum likes to ask earlygame. I don't really see how one would suspect Rayn to be scum for having "extra info" about miller when scum doesn't get any extra info in that regard either. Doesn't seem like the approach a townie would take in that case even if he genuinely believed that. Ecco un voto per esprimere la mia discordanza e il mio sospetto ##Vote stutters On June 30 2013 19:43 Vivax wrote: His efforts and perseverance in contributing looks townie. But his trust into marv's claim is suspicious, even when he is presented with evidence of marv fakeclaiming miller in another game. He tries to rationalize his trust in this post: Now, it looks like a shitty explanation. Rayn writes lengthy stuff about marv claiming before parity cop is revealed, but it doesn't tell anything about marv, except that he was expecting normal cops. Since this is Rayn rationalizing his townread, and mentioning this stuff about miller and cop has no effect on that townread and should rather weaken it, cause Rayn himself mentions that millers are helpful with parity cops and marv would rather not fakeclaim with parity cops present, this explanation looks forced and not very genuine. Like, the bolded part is literally the whole explanation Rayn offers for marv not being scum. "Because there is no need to". In what scenarios? Scenarios with parity cop and scenario with no cop. Well, he said himself marv claimed before parity cop announcement, and marv can't know if there's a cop. Upon analyzing this post I have this Deutsch feeling about rayn. ##Unvote ##Vote Rayn That. Why the sudden change of mind from going me = town -> me = scum with no new posts from me, and before that you seemed to understand me. You just "reviewed" the situation. Why did you not look at it closely in the first place? | ||
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I happen to know, and knew from the beginning, there would be people who disagree with me. What do i gain by doing so? Because it does not mean shit that i might look town in marv's eyes, there are many other people whose votes count just as much as his. I have a strong town read on marv, i was hoping someone would be stupid enough to fakeclaim miller, and added some fuel into fire by saying "there are no 2 millers", because i know that's possible, but highly unlike. If scum had claimed miller i would have laughed and then we would go to the "claim your role name phase". Fakeclaiming miller does mean unnecessary attention to yourself, in a situation where the attention is not needed. Marv has done it before, yes, and looking into that game it was a big mistake. Scum lost and it did not definitely help him/them. I think he has learned from that and would not do so again. I'm not the right person to answer about marv's thought process but that's how i see the situation. | ||
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Who else do you think is scum than me? | ||
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On July 01 2013 01:29 Vivax wrote: Coz I was drunk and tired lol. I reread the thread and saw things in a new light while I was analyzing your post after Oats asked me to take a look at you. Are people scum for changing their mind? Even when they go in depth about their reasons? Is anyone who misses something at first and then changes his view -on his own- scum? Looks pretty much like you're just grasping at straws. I am not grasping at straws. I asked for an explanation and you just gave one. I don't think you are mafia for changing your mind, actually i think you are more likely to be town, because i see your point and your thought process is clear. However, you are wrong because i am town. What you wrote about me sure is a possible way to look at the situation, but it's not the only one. Now after i have told how i saw/see the situation, is there anything you need a clarification on, or should we go find real mafia? | ||
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And yes, if you claimed blue right now i would treat you as town as fakeclaiming would be incredibly stupid. But i would not sheep you. | ||
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On July 01 2013 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually Rayn, how often do people claim in games that you have been in? Have you seen a miller claim before? Yeah DP claimed in some game, but that claim was bad imo. | ||
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Vivax shape up, or are you mafia? | ||
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- We know there can be 0-2 millers. - We can assume there is not 2 millers because of what me/Lazer have said. - We can assume if marv is mafia he is bright enough to realize that. - Millers have role-names. - If you fake claim miller, it's only beneficial if there are no millers. - If there is one miller, and you fakeclaim, you have a 50% chance of instantly being outed. - There might even be no cop at all - It makes no sense to fake claim miller. From games DP claimed and i thought BM claimed: - We did not know if there are millers at all. - We did not know how many millers there are if there are millers. - Millers did not have special role-names - There were ~10 more players than there are in this game, so more millers are likely - There is very little risk in getting outed if you claim miller. - It might be beneficial if town is stupid enough to believe you, and if you are town it makes no sense to claim miller. | ||
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On July 01 2013 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, how the fuck can you tell Vivax to shape up when this is just about the towniest play ever by Vivax as Vivax? Because he is talking about an entirely different situation and comparing it to this one. | ||
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On July 01 2013 01:48 Stutters695 wrote: Rayn I'd like to hear the contradiction you said you spotted in WoS play. Typing up why I thought you were town when I woke up. WoS says my/Vivax' "analysis" about your bad question to me is very different. In fact Vivax said just what i did, i was just asking you about it and Vivax was telling about it. If WoS had read my comment and what was between the lines he would have realized i was saying the same thing Vivax said. He is not reading the thread or trying to understand why people say what they do say. Other than that, he says he can't post much but when he posts he uses that time to say he can't post much. If he was town he would post something useful instead. | ||
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On July 01 2013 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, is stutters scum? I don't know, he has been asked a lot of questions which he "will answer when he has more time" but instead every time he posts he posts something else. We dont know the exact number of millers in this game. Except not really because there COULD BE 2 millers in this game at the point of time when marv claimed. Also the rolename shit means that its even LESS risky to claim as scum. No we don't, but we can assume there are 1 or 0 millers, you even said that's how it very likely is. Of course there COULD BE, but again, look at the above. Why are you using something against me that you agree with? How does the "rolename shit" mean it's less risky to claim miller, i don't understand at all? | ||
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I think WoS is scum for what i have said. After that he has only posted some wishyt-washy things about me and Vayne. He says "Oats might be right" but then again "rayn gets a slight town read from what he did". He is avoiding to take sides in the argument. Look at his posts about Vayne; Big walls of text that basically says "i don't know what to make out of it". He does not want to vote for Stutters because "the wagon formed so quickly it bothers him" when there is no wagon but then he actually votes for Stutters??? Also the post is more like "i'll park my vote here" rather than "i think Stutters is mafia". Like: "Until the rest of the thread shows up or something scummier happens, (or maybe if Stutters explains himself a little/talks some more?)". wtf is this? After his vote he does never question Stutters or try to push the lynch, he is just chatting with Oats without making up his mind about anything in the game. He is not trying find mafia rather than just blending in. I'll look into other people more tonight. I think marv, Vivax and Oats are town, Stutters' posting style and explanations feel genuine and i'm slightly leaning town on him. I gotta relook into Lazer, i can't understand Vayne, he'd be a good cop target after copping marv. Nobody else i remember nothing about at this point. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: lol you idiot, I DID vote for Stutters (in thread), and then solstice jumped on the wagon too which made me feel worse about it considering how many people were on so quick and so early. I didn't unvote though (in thread); I had no idea at the time there even was a voting thread so when I realized it, I put my vote down. And as far as not finding mafia, I have done plenty. If you don't consider what I have done scumhunting then you should consider the same of yourself since most of your filter is defending yourself and discussing miller claims. Keep grabbin' for those straws though Rayn, one day you might actually reach one. Peace. Why are you so angry? Where have you tried to find mafia? I don't need to convince you that you are scum, i need to convince the townies. | ||
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Oats could you look at WoS and tell me what do you think? I'll do the same for Lazer. | ||
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