On June 30 2013 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is a serious contradiction in WoS' behaviour. Whoever can see that gains many townie points.
lol Rayn you're still a cutie. For whoever it was that said they didn't like Rayn's play, I am altogether unconcerned atm. This is how Rayn plays, he tunnels and asks shitloads of questions. When marv shows up he'll likely have some long interaction with him, marv might call him dumb about something, then he'll switch tracks. We'll wait and see.
In other news, Vayne holy shit. Is that D1 analysis??
Ya I might not be so nice after my vacation is over and a 9 hour drive tho
Gumshoe town methinks no reason yet
Oh wait you just reminded me I was supposed to policy lynch you this game! Except now you're acting differently than usual. Which makes me want to lynch you. Wat do?
Policy lynching is cowardly, not to mention I got them to vote for vivas instead so we didn't lose. I don't really see the basis of your anger.
Wat. I'm not angry, but my reasoning if I were to go that route is because most of the time your posting is a detriment to town and you look so scummy we'd get fucked somehow at LYLO. I don't think I have the demeanor to pull that off as well as someone like BC however, and I'm way too unsure of that being a good call in every scenario where I run into someone whose posting I generally don't like.
On June 30 2013 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think rayn is scum for thinking there is 1 miller. All or almost all games have only 1 miller.
WoS, I dont think you know what im talking about
Oh I assumed the reason you thoughts Stutters wasn't scummy was the same argument for what you thought Rayn WAS scummy for.
You're referring more to the finding marv instant townie thing, huh? I get what you're saying, but as scum throwing out a super-strong townread right off the bat just doesn't seem like a smart play.
it is if it gets the strongest town player on your side. Also marv never ever gets mislynched
So? Neither do I. And besides town marv wouldn't fall for something so basic.
On June 30 2013 14:10 VayneAuthority wrote: Just scum hunt champ, try and look beyond what you think is scummy and we will all be better for it. Look at motivation instead of meta and you will find me much easier to read if that helps.
Btw I find gumshoe to be town due to him looking at people in terms of losses and weighing our options instead of just jumping on something. He looks to be like some one who is turning the cogs but is unsure of himself. There's my reasoning now
Oh wat there's a voting thread. Alright for posterity I'm throwing my vote for Stutters up there since there's TECHNICALLY nobody voting him but as I've said it makes me uneasy that his wagon formed so quickly. Vote stays until he gets back.
Vivax to be fair had I rolled miller and was asked to claim I either wouldn't, or if I did I probably wouldn't think to post the name unless asked. That's just from my perspective so I don't know if you'd still find that scummy or not but I personally don't.
On June 30 2013 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seriously everyone. Think about it yourself: Would you claim miller 5 minutes into the game as mafia? What would you gain by doing so?
If someone gives me a reasonable answer to this question i promise to reconsider my read on marv.
Don't make it sound like Marv had to think everything through in just 5 minutes because that's just not true. It's not like its impossible to plan that if you roll mafia in a game, you want to fake claim miller. What do I know, maybe he even requested mafia?
I'm not sure how relevant that is. (Does anyone know if iGrok is the type of host to give requests rather than RNG?)
As for Vayne, there's not a great deal to say. Played here in one of the first games on the site, disappears and plays on Mafiascum for a while (I think?). Comes back, does decently in newbie games, then causes a whole bunch of shit when playing with the big boys because his playstyle doesn't fit with how we play on TL. He often talks big about how he doesn't do much analysis on the first day but then gets criticized when his play doesn't pick up on subsequent days. Is lynchbait in a lot of his town games and some of his play is questionable. His sole game as mafia was with me and he did really well.
Trying to recognize someone as lynchbait worries me a little, Lazer. It becomes one of those WIFOM things where we don't know: a) Are you targeting him because he is lynchbait and you get a pass on that if he flips green? b) Are you targeting him because he looks scummy to you?
This was an issue with jaybrundage in Roulette mini. His play on the lynchbait thing was different in that he self-acknowledged as lynchbait at the start of the game (which I found scummy) and said anyone who goes after him as such was scummy. Turned out he was scum, but me and mostly everyone else ended up not doing much suspecting of him throughout the game because despite saying he was lynchbait, he didn't act as such. That honestly should have set off alarms for me and everyone else much earlier.
This may seem off-topic but in conclusion my stance on it is lynchbait or not, if he's not actively disruptive to town play, and not acting/playing scummy, then I have no reason to lynch him currently. I had talked in an earlier obs QT about the idea of policy lynching because Vayne ends up lynchbait a lot and doesn't play when asked a lot, but that doesn't seem to be the case this game as I mentioned to him, plus I don't think I have the pull/balls to carry off a straight policy lynch.
On June 30 2013 20:21 Lazermonkey wrote: I do find Vayne's play scummy, that's why I asked. And no, I don't mean a policy type of lynch. I mean a you-are-likely-scum type of lynch. What is your take on his post about me that he ends up doing nothing with, and instead tries to defend himself from attacks that aren't really attacks?
Also, I don't understand why me trying to recognize him as a lynch bait makes me look suspcious in your eyes. If he is a lynch bait, everyone will know that sooner or later. Thing is, scum can just ignore the fact he is a lynch bait and just push him because he looks scummy. Applying your logic in the case of a Vayne lynch, I would bad because I questioned if he was a lynch bait whereas scum looks better because they didn't.
The first two sentences in your second paragraph are contradictory. The rest of it is WIFOM. My point was that whether he is lynchbait or not, I won't be using that to determine whether or not he is worthy of being lynched and I don't feel that attempting to determine as such one way or the other is a particularly towny thing to do.
Now as far as his post:
On June 30 2013 12:22 VayneAuthority wrote: Something rubs me the wrong way about lazermonkeys posting
Starts off the thread not even wanting to scum hunt.
Throws down a troll vote early, see jaybrundage in roulette for how something innocent just pads your filter with bs.
Eager to jump on the stutters be before he has even defended himself
His 6th post is just insanely scummy read it and tell me otherwise
Rest of his filter is useless speculation
He gets my vote until I can talk with him more and get a better read
Can't vote right now as its much too precise to bold shit on an iPad but will contribute more when I'm home tomorrow night
This is completely antithetic to what Vayne's play has consisted of so far on TL. I can't make heads or tails from it because this is more character/post analysis than he normally does D1 and as well he promises to contribute more. If you want to treat this simply as is, ignore his meta and say it's scummy because of no followup then that's your prerogative but I'd like to see more from him before making a call. If I were to ignore his meta and look strictly at this post I probably wouldn't like it either, especially the '6th post' comment which I'd like him to expand upon eventually.
For what it's worth, the towniest he has ever played thus far in my opinion was his scum game.
lol speaking of Rayn grasping at straws, (somebody mentioned that earlier..?) I certainly love his case on me. For a guy who talks a lot about towny perspectives, he doesn't even remotely consider the fact that me saying I have nothing to say can be from a towny perspective at all, cause, you know, I had nothing to say at the time. The contradiction he comes up with is not a contradiction at all in my eyes, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, right?
I also especially love how hard he pushes me as his main scumread. I'm still not convinced that he is scum though and I want to look closer when I get the chance at his very recent scumgame as compared to something like CC.
Stutters I was thinking of unvoting you but your recent post gives me pause. You just look so afraid to take a stance on anything. C'est scummy.
Ladies and gents I'm out until later tonight; kid is at the grandparents for the night and you can sure as hell bet I'm not spending free time with the wife at the computer.
On July 01 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats, i made a same mistake you are doing here tunneling me. I looked Stutters' post only from scum perspective and i have now second thoughts about it because of what you said.
I think WoS is scum for what i have said. After that he has only posted some wishyt-washy things about me and Vayne. He says "Oats might be right" but then again "rayn gets a slight town read from what he did". He is avoiding to take sides in the argument. Look at his posts about Vayne; Big walls of text that basically says "i don't know what to make out of it". He does not want to vote for Stutters because "the wagon formed so quickly it bothers him" when there is no wagon but then he actually votes for Stutters??? Also the post is more like "i'll park my vote here" rather than "i think Stutters is mafia". Like: "Until the rest of the thread shows up or something scummier happens, (or maybe if Stutters explains himself a little/talks some more?)". wtf is this? After his vote he does never question Stutters or try to push the lynch, he is just chatting with Oats without making up his mind about anything in the game. He is not trying find mafia rather than just blending in.
I'll look into other people more tonight. I think marv, Vivax and Oats are town, Stutters' posting style and explanations feel genuine and i'm slightly leaning town on him.
I gotta relook into Lazer, i can't understand Vayne, he'd be a good cop target after copping marv. Nobody else i remember nothing about at this point.
lol you idiot, I DID vote for Stutters (in thread), and then solstice jumped on the wagon too which made me feel worse about it considering how many people were on so quick and so early. I didn't unvote though (in thread); I had no idea at the time there even was a voting thread so when I realized it, I put my vote down.
And as far as not finding mafia, I have done plenty. If you don't consider what I have done scumhunting then you should consider the same of yourself since most of your filter is defending yourself and discussing miller claims.
Keep grabbin' for those straws though Rayn, one day you might actually reach one.
Part of me wants to apologize for disappearing for this long, but part of me doesn't give a fuck because I had baby-free time plus Canada Day. Catching up as we speak. Would you guys prefer stream-of consciousness (probably easier for me) or one long as all fuck post at the end?
On July 01 2013 04:09 Oatsmaster wrote: WoS, why is your vote on stutters if you dont think hes scum? Do you have any reason to think hes scum?
I did think he was scum at the time. I was beginning to waffle but then he smacked me with the post I commented on. It's not that I didn't think he was scum per se, but the fact that a wagon was so quick to form began to give me pause as well. Solstice being the 4th one to jump on (I remember reading somewhere that the 4th person on a mislynch wagon is statistically most likely to be scum? That could be bullshit) could very easily be scum seeing a strong and easy wagon to jump on early. Wasn't enough to make me drop my vote on Stutters as he still felt right to me at the time what with his being so unbelievably tentative about everything.
On July 01 2013 04:16 Oatsmaster wrote: so WoS defended you, and his actions revolving stutters basically.
So he keeps saying his vote on Stutters is basically a placeholder vote until 'something worse' happens. Also, he doesnt seem really all interested in lynching stutters, he says that his vote is there until stutters is back. which is relatively easy for stutters to do. I have no idea why he voted then if he doesnt want to lynch stutters.
His overreaction to your pokes is also odd. He dismisses your points really fast and shits on you in the process.
I could see this being a bus though.
This is misrepresentation and I don't like it. I hate when I'm not around to defend myself; how close was I to getting lynched? It was not a placeholder vote at all; I pointed out scummy things about Stutters I didn't like and was waiting to see as the day progressed if he'd shape up at all, as often happens with D1 scumreads. Turns out I wasn't even around to see whether that happened or not but at the time I did want to lynch him. Call my points overreacting if you want but I hate being misrepresented and people flat out LYING about my actions.
On July 01 2013 04:15 Stutters695 wrote: @WoS Je m'en fous
This is how I always play. My day 1 reads are notoriously bad. I find generating discussion to be a much better use of my time.
If this is true you've done it in an interesting way I'd say. The discussion you have generated this far has been about you being scum.
I would have probably said the exact same thing.
Gumshoe's massive post on p16 makes me feel good about him. I remember feeling good about fuba too.
On July 01 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats you need to explain this to me. You say that you will be looking to WoS if i would flip town. So you think i am right about WoS. Why the fuck do you want to lynch me first if you think either 1) i am right or 2) i am bussing him.
You are making no sense now.
Also you need to explain how solstice is scummy and how JarJar looks good.
This is a good point. Nothing a good oId pre-flip association. I have no reason to believe Rayn isn't town right now.
Oats tryharding big time this game. Makes me nervous since he's not just shitposting and I think more often than not the games in which I play with Oats he just shitposts.
On July 01 2013 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote: JJD looks worse because? What makes him different from stutters? Or Vayne?
A) buddying
B) Not throwing around concrete threats but definitely alot of shiit.
C) Severely flip floppy.
D) doesn't contribute anything really.
E) recycles others opinions.
F) Attacks people who are actively contributing, thereby attacking discussion itself.
All this in just three posts, it's remarkable really. How can you defend this guy just because he agrees with you? In fact if I was you(and was actually town) I would revaluate my opinion on Rayne just because THIS guy supports it.
I'll look at Vayne next, but I'm pretty set on Jar Jar seeing as hes far far worst than Stutters whose principal offence in my eyes was just timing based / :
I'll sheep this guy I think. He seems resonable.
Ok this is like the third fucking time Lazer feels the need to tell us that's he's on top of gumshoe's dick regarding his read on JJD. WTF? I don't understand--- if you're town and someone makes a case that you like you can just sheep him or add some of your own insight to it or discuss it I guess---Lazer just reiterates time after time that 'he likes this read, this is a good read, Ill sheep him, this makes sense.' He provides some reasoning but I really hate the way he feels the need to tell us over and over again. Looks like scum trying to look good jumping on a wagon started by a towny. I'm not sure what that means for JJD but I would have changed my vote to Lazer at this point.
I'll start a new post after this so it's not too wall-of text-y.
Page 18: lol Oats calling people pedantic. JJD feels like scum JJD to me. When I played with him in Les Mafia he made sure to tunnel his read as long as humanly possible so that it wouldn't look like he was waffling and that he was sticking to his guns. This looks a lot like that---'pick some towny at random and fucking tunnel them all day long.'
On July 01 2013 05:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Seriously you guys are fucking pedantic.
How are we unimaginative or pedestrian? Also heres a flip flop.
<3 gumshoe
I have to read through a couple of JJD's games and actually have a look at the bus case I made against him in Les Mafia because I remember it being pretty damn good and almost getting him lynched for it (and then solstice or somebody showed up or something and gg we win). I need to see if he's really this aggressive in his town games too because I remember it not being the case.
Oh god more miller claim bullshit. I really don't feel like reading more of this. Why does Vivax feel the need to bring it up after the conversation died?
Fuba's re-entry post is setting off alarm bells but I don't know why. Exaggerated listpost maybe? Multiple apologies/complaining about thread activity? (Though that second one is null to me, I know I do that a lot and people seem to think it's scummy. I don't know)
On July 01 2013 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Lazer, Vivax is probably scum and JarJar or WoS is his scumbuddy, JarJar more likely. There are three people who should know how i work and how i develop my reads. WoS, Oats and Vivax. Oats becomes and idiot who tunnels someone for the whole phase, and by his other posts he looks very town. WoS, i don't really know what he thinks of me and why. Vivax is just... well saying nothing but asking me about stuff i have explained or debunked already.
He's right to some extent though I was in obs QT in Catch 22 and was massively wrong about Rayn being town. I still have a townread on him but once I'm finished the re-read I'll have to look into a bunch of people, Rayn being one of them.
On July 01 2013 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Lazer, Vivax is probably scum and JarJar or WoS is his scumbuddy, JarJar more likely. There are three people who should know how i work and how i develop my reads. WoS, Oats and Vivax. Oats becomes and idiot who tunnels someone for the whole phase, and by his other posts he looks very town. WoS, i don't really know what he thinks of me and why. Vivax is just... well saying nothing but asking me about stuff i have explained or debunked already.
WoS, I'm kinda neutral on atm. I don't feel like killing him.
Vivax has been giving me really bad vibes the last few pages. He really went overboard with the tunneling, though I don't think tunneling in it self is a scum tell. Also, Vivax is actually talking alot, compared to others in this game and I'm not too keen on killing one of the most active posters in the game D1.
We really should kill Jarjar...
Wat is this waffly shit? So no read on me, he thinks Vivax looks bad but ACTUALLY I don't want to kill him, and the tone of that last sentence makes me laugh. 'Guys we should probably kill JarJar, if that's ok with you........' Maybe that's me reading into it a bit too much but there's a difference between 'We need to kill JJD right now.' and 'We really should kill JarJar......' Its those damn ellipses or something. Yeah I'd defs lynch Lazer atm.
Stutters votes fuba out of left fucking field lol. Uh...wtf that hosting issue. I would have voted to continue.
At this point I think I'm literally blocking out all this bullshit miller discussion because I can't handle it. If it's a scum tactic then wp. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________Oats I just read your recent post; I don't think there is a good way of doing this tbh---if I made one post about everything I found I think is worth talking about I'd be posting like 40 posts in a row. I guess I won't comment on everything I want to though because I understand it's probably shit to read. Maybe I'll just make notes and post the most important bits.
Kind of difficult to sift through half a thread worth of activity that focuses on different things at different times and focus it to a point. I would think that you guys would like to actually be able to read this and divine my thought processes as I give them to you; it's far too easy for scum to pick something out about one post I make that doesn't look great after a day's worth of inactivity and try to get me mislynched.
As I said I will attempt to condense but it certainly is not going to be 20+ pages into one neat little post.
lol Oats when you asked me to comment on Rayn's retarded list post were you referring to this?
On July 01 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Reads and thoughts:
Lazermonkey: Thread enterance points towards being town. Careless comment about policy lynching. I don't think he would do that as mafia. I also do not think he would hardcore defend me if he was scum, as apparently this Vivax' wagon is easy to join with just saying "i agree". It doesn't even make sense if JarJar is somehow town, because if you can choose between lynching town!rayn and town!JarJar i would not think twice, even if based purely on activity.
Stutters: Gets town points from what Oats pointed out. Gets town points from trying to get the discussion moving also to other things than me. I like his vote on Fuba because i think Fuba is scum.
Vivax: Vivax is only looking my post in the point of view "how does this make rayn scum". You are forgetting something, you are not even taking account the possibility that i would think like this as town. There are many examples where i have given town reads based on very little and based on that those people think like me and would act like me. I don't like the fact that he is failing to contribute to almost everything other than me, especially JarJar and WoS. I have explained everything you have in your case, if you don't believe that as a genuine explanation, fine, vote for me. But remember this; If i get lynched and you are actually town you are in deep shit because as a strong player you are going to die on N1 and you seem have no base to any other solid read that you think you have on me now. So if you are town better start doing some real scumhunting.
VayneAuthority: Basically due to process of elimination.
gumshoe: Definitely town. Has the best posts in thread atm.
Oatsmaster: If Oats was scum he would also be in deep shit in case i flip, i don't think he would even think he could handle it as the tunnel is so absurd and stupid. Sad, but this has to be bad!town!Oats
marvellosity: I'm having second thoughts about marv as he has not yet posted. Will have a better read on him when he gets back. And his posts better be good then!
mkfuba07: Says "WoS will show if he is town when he starts playing". In his next post he comments on some random people (for what?), and does not comment on WoS/JarJar in any way (hey, you were supposed to be good in reading WoS??). Then drops his vote on me without adding anything to the case, only that "it would be much easier to fakeclaim miller here" which is certainly not true. scum. Why did you not comment on JarJar/WoS in any way in your big post? You must have a read on both of them, let us hear it.
WaveofShadow: Useless. Even says he will be useless. Why not say something useful instead? Continues being useless, like having voted Stutters and what's the follow up? He does not try to find out his scumbuddies, he doesn't question him in any way. Actually, he does not question anyone in any way. If JarJar is somehow town WoS is sure scum by trying to avoid attention after called out. Who is scum WoS and why? What are your thoughts on Vivax/JarJar/Fuba?
s0Lstice: Starts the game with good questions on things i thought was odd myself too. His posts are well thought out and i can follow his thought process.
JarJarDrinks: Calls out Solstice for scumhunting. Good job, that's his top scumread at that time. Doesn't follow up this suspicion in any way, and is now voting for Gumshoe as an OMGUS. Hey JarJar, why did you noot look at my situation at the same light you are looking at this one "you think this is the only way to look at it?" as you said you think i am town. Why not tell Vivax and Oats that they are wrong? Why are they not suspicious but gumshoe is for doing the same thing? His answers to Vivax' questions look really really forced. Also what's your read on WoS/Fuba now and why?
Now i know i have too much scumreads. Everyone fits in as scum with everyone in those people (i count out marv atm), i don't want to lynch Vivax because he does not look the worst and there is a slight possibility that he is town. We also do not work well together at least on D1.
I keep my vote on JarJar, but i challenge all of you to question WoS/JarJar/fuba, i'm pretty confident there is at least 2 scum in them.
Because holy fuck is it bad. Like...I tried to move past this but watching him attempt to reason through why I'm scum pisses me off. Like, fuck if you're going to lynch me for inactivity call it that but saying I'm useless because of one post where I didn't have anything to say? lol.
Also this is a gem:
On July 01 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stop with the stupid connection cases before red flips. There is no base in Vivax Stutters read because it's based on me and him being scum which can't possibly be true.
HALF HIS FUCKING POST IS PREFLIP CONNECTIONS. Fuba is scum because he doesn't comment on me/JJD. I'm scum if JJD is town. Like what the actual fuck IS this?
Just about done. Some real interesting shit happened in the last few hours of the day. I must admit I laughed at Vayne's ragepost especially since he's all confident about not being lynchbait and shit.
On July 02 2013 07:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax why was WoS more likely to be scum than Vayne?
I mentioned specific reasons for lynching WoS, tbh I didn't find proper reasons on my own to lynch Vayne, except that he was more inactive than usual. But in the end I decided to sheep marv cause I felt clueless and no one except JJ declared to join me in the WoS lynch, and marv would have lynched WoS as well, and that left me thinking that since marv is left with the same choices as me, he can probably be trusted.
I just hope I didn't make a mistake by buying fuba's explanation for his contradiction. But saying he wrote different parts of the post at different times is actually a feasible explanation.
We're still waiting for Oats and WoS though. I dídn't really like Lazer's claim timing and will probably lynch him first if one of them counterclaims him.
This post screams at me for multiple reasons. Why blame the mislynch on marv? Vivax isn't exactly known to be the type of person to make excuses or who is afraid of taking a stand. He says he couldn't find a reason of his own to lynch Vayne other than the fact that he was more inactive than usual. Yeah let's ignore my absence or the fact that I couldn't defend myself either for a day. Not to mention if it were me I don't think I'd trust marv with anything right now with his late return to the thread and the miller claim, which doesn't mean shit to me, by the way. I don't like the fact that after Lazermonkey's claim it basically came down to two people who weren't even around to defend themselves or make any reads. It smacks of a scum-controlled lynch.
Then that final sentence reads to me like obvious manipulation and I don't like it one bit. Why in the fuck would you say this out loud to the thread if these were your intentions? In the hopes that scum would jump on this and counterclaim, and you could 'catch' them? It's WIFOM and all it does is assure that no counterclaim will happen even if Lazer is lying.
My reads of Vivax are absolute shit and always have been so I'm not sure if I can call this solely scum-motivated but I'd like Vivax to explain himself here.
Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance: Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him. Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts. Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this:
On July 02 2013 03:31 Stutters695 wrote: I explained why I disagreed with your case. Truth be told I haven't scrutinized his play too much since then but I don't think his "slip" if you want to call it that is indicative of anything, at least not on its own.
I'll read up on WoS/Lazer but is there a particular thing you don't like about my Fuba case?
Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus. Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens?
On July 02 2013 03:45 Stutters695 wrote: I can understand that. Probably a little bias on my part but it just seems so scummy to me. I'll see how he responds and what he comes back with but he's definitely on my short list for d2.
Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else.
Wow, nothing? Welp I look forward to waking up in the morning to see 100 new posts of people attacking me for whatever reason based on what I just posted. I should actually be around during the day a little if people feel like talking to me.
He says he couldn't find a reason of his own to lynch Vayne other than the fact that he was more inactive than usual. Yeah let's ignore my absence or the fact that I couldn't defend myself either for a day.
You feel the need to defend yourself for something I found Vayne to be guilty of?
I'll have kinda limited time today, but WoS looks pretty bad to me. As Oats mentioned, his shit is unfocused and I don't really see a townie line of thinking forming from his reads, it's more like he comments on anything that could be construed as scummy, but without drawing conclusions while doing so. Plus, stuff like this
I should actually be around during the day a little if people feel like talking to me.
gives me the impression he takes a passive stance in the game. "Yeah talk to me if u want lolz else I won't be posting much". WoS is more proactive than this as town. Sure, he was busy and shit, but if this is his new activity, then he can be sure to have my breath in his neck next day. This looks like the kind of "Let me write a ton of shit and fuck off"-activity.
Finds a bunch of stuff scummy from one guy (Lazer), doesn't dig further into that guy but heads towards JJD while complaining about the miller discussion, then calls my post scummy.
In his final posts he mentions people he wants to look into, effectively leaving all his previous "analysis" inconcluded, then adds some more points against stutters. No sign of Lazer, who he said he would be voting for that post, or me, posting something that "screams" to WoS. Or JJD for that matter. All the scummy stuff he found but still no intention to show how the concerned people are scummy, only the intention to write a load of stuff.
Anyhow, will probably be back around deadline.
Thanks for the insight! Anyone else want to come back after hours just to shit on my posting? I'm waiting!
Hai guise, I back. Oats why do you think marv is scum? I also disagree with this.
On July 02 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Im saying that him not caring about his vote is townie. But since he unvoted, i guess he couldnt be there for the lynch
On July 02 2013 22:39 marvellosity wrote: I'm not entirely sure about gumshoe. Quite a bit of his posting seems to show a willingness to think about the game in depth. Dunno how much I agree with Jarjar's point on the voting-to-save-self stuff. Outside of the last hour of the day, it's not a particularly productive thing to say that you'll vote for anyone that's not yourself. The roleclaim stuff is a bit more interesting though. Didn't think so much of it just reading through his filter but JarJar makes a valid point there; it is weird to give reasons against it but then say he'd go for it.
Further I don't like how his vote was parked uselessly on JarJar at the end of the day (despite saying he was going to remove it as well).
They're is another role that would show hesitance about revealing just like scum would. That post was a wink wink nudge nudge to Jar Jar, but seeing as hes thick as a castle wall I'll say this much.
Doesn't matter seeing as were revealing, but I wont say which role specifically till after or just before tonight.
I'm not mad at Jar Jar for not seeing the post that way, just... disappointed.
Why would you do this now when discussion leaned towards revealing at the start of D2? Do you think you're a target tonight?
EPT
