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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 09 2013 14:41 GMT
#2628
On July 09 2013 23:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
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On July 09 2013 23:15 Stutters695 wrote:
On July 09 2013 21:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
GG wp scum.

What do you guys think of my play?

I don't think this game was so scum favoured tbh, maybe slightly but town didn't really play that well.

WoS, I seriously belive you played survivor the "wrong" way. First off, as marv said earlier, you can die in two ways, either by lynch or by scum shooting you. One of these you can control, the other you cannot. TBH, the theory behind playing survivor should be kinda easy, at least in this setup..

1. Claim survivor. Scum now know you are survivor so they will not shoot you, the only way you can die is by getting lynched.
2. Play for town. Town now knows you are either scum or survivor and by playing for town you eliminate the risk of getting lynched.

If scum is winning, then take that as a nice bonus. But always play for town. This is at least my thoughts on the matter-


I think he played pretty well because as soon as he saves someone he's pro town in my eyes and I have to shoot him. Sure we waste 1kp, but after a save he's demonstrated that he's pro town and I'd rather take the chance on being absolutely sure and not risk getting stopped again and wasting a second anyway. As you saw he was completely safe claiming d2. The only reason he almost got lynched was town indecisiveness about who was scum and the numbers not working in his favor on the second to last day. That probably would be the same scenario if he was pro-town all game too though as it was the best play available for town if they weren't sure between JJD/S0l.

His d2 claim was also really good. We instantly knew he was 3p when he claimed RB and left us with the ability to corroborate his story but we fucked it up.
Well, I almost can get this if you are in a really really tough situation as scum because a survivor is essentially aligned with the team that is doing best at the moment. But at point where it is somewhat equal or if scum is ahead (all this game, for example) I'd say its madness to be aiming on the survivor.

JK is town-oriented role, especially with factional KP (so I couldn't even RB scum shot). My thinking was (and Stutters confirmed it) if I play solely for town, under normal cicrumstances it would have been fine, but I was a JK. If a 3P JK is helping town you treat him as town JK and kill him.

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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 09 2013 15:20 GMT
#2645
On July 10 2013 00:16 Lazermonkey wrote:
Actually, one thing that struck me also is how bad an argument like "you are not thinking from the X PoV right now, therefore you are scum" really is. It was stuff like that which almost killed both me and Rayn on D1 and I even fell for it myself during D2 when I thought WoS was scum just because he played the "wrong" way. Even with the same role, some people just plays a different way than you, and just because they do, its not a scum tell at all.

This is a very interesting point---I get suspected a lot I think in part because I don't think the way people expect me to think I guess? (It often works in my favour because I don't get lynched or NKed)
A lot of people however (including me at times) do their scumhunting by trying to think from a scum or town POV. How can you really avoid falling into the trap of thinking people are scum just because they don't act the way you expect them to?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 09 2013 15:38 GMT
#2656
On July 10 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On July 10 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote:
On July 10 2013 00:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
lets just hope you guys stop trying to use that on me when I will never play the same way twice.


Out of curiosity, how might you say you'd have played differently on day 1 this game if you were mafia?


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On July 02 2013 01:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
can we agree collectively as a game to not claim roles in this open setup? It's pretty broken and I didn't sign up for a lets all claim and lynch at 50/50 game.

With that said I am mainly looking at lazer/WoS now.

Lazer's posting has been fairly more townie as of recently but the fact that he OMGUS'd me from my accusations is a bit alarming when he gave very little reasoning. It seems like he's trying to keep himself on the good side of most of the people in the game so instead of scum hunting he just goes right back at the accuser.

As for WoS I am not really a fan of what he's done so far, he has been very passive yet exceedingly angry which is somewhat how he played in Les Mis. The fact that he says I am playing differently and doesn't know what to make of it leads me to believe that he knows I am town somehow, might have been a scumslip.


this post tells you im town, 100%

I wouldn't give a shit if i was scum

think of it this way, why would I care about massclaim if I was scum? I dont have to solve the game, so it doesnt ruin my fun at all.

it COMPLETELY ruins the fun of the game as town.

Haha you SAY you wouldn't give a shit, but remember we weren't given any fakeclaims at that point.

I'm starting to see what you're saying about how you play differently every time, but wouldn't you say that's part of the reason people have trouble reading you as town?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 09 2013 15:47 GMT
#2658
lol I did say this may have been the best town game you've played so far :D
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 09 2013 15:54 GMT
#2660
Come on, that was a legit awful lynch.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 09 2013 16:07 GMT
#2662
On July 02 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance:
Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him.
Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts.
Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this:
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On July 02 2013 03:31 Stutters695 wrote:
I explained why I disagreed with your case. Truth be told I haven't scrutinized his play too much since then but I don't think his "slip" if you want to call it that is indicative of anything, at least not on its own.

I'll read up on WoS/Lazer but is there a particular thing you don't like about my Fuba case?

Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus.
Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens?
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On July 02 2013 03:45 Stutters695 wrote:
I can understand that. Probably a little bias on my part but it just seems so scummy to me. I'll see how he responds and what he comes back with but he's definitely on my short list for d2.

Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else.


LOL looking back over my posting.
I had you guys nailed haha
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 09 2013 16:40 GMT
#2667
OH LOL I FORGOT TO MENTION
I knew Stutters was scum (but forgot again) later on in the game because he volunteered to be scum coach in BH's newbie game and I knew he hadn't played a scumgame yet. Wouldn't make sense, lol.
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