Why am I scum marv? I'll look into other people (I'm thinking maybe Oats right now) but I'm sure I can refute any case against me since I am in fact town. The fact that I'm not sure of the scum team doesn't make me scum.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

July 06 2013 12:29 GMT

#2282

gumshoe and I have said enough things in the thread about why you could well be mafia, to which you have responded to some of them. Mostly process of elimination too.

And I don't believe your wos scumread.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

July 06 2013 12:31 GMT

#2283

also stuff where you were asking gumshoe why he was town seems extremely out of place. gumshoe should be looking extremely townie to you right now. So out of place it makes you scum in fact.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 06 2013 12:36 GMT

#2284

On July 06 2013 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
And I don't believe your wos scumread.

Why? Even if you are right that WoS wouldn't make this play, isn't everything I wrote about his whole feeling of being fucked completely accurate? Also the whole thing about having extra information that he can't give us? You really don't think those are legit reasons to suspect him?

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 06 2013 12:37 GMT

#2285

On July 06 2013 21:31 marvellosity wrote:
also stuff where you were asking gumshoe why he was town seems extremely out of place. gumshoe should be looking extremely townie to you right now. So out of place it makes you scum in fact.

Why exactly should gunshoe be looking extremely town to me?

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

July 06 2013 12:42 GMT

#2286

Did you read his really good analysis that got town to lynch fuba? You think that's some elaborate scum-construction?

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 06 2013 12:49 GMT

#2287

On July 06 2013 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
Did you read his really good analysis that got town to lynch fuba? You think that's some elaborate scum-construction?

Well since I think that the towns other lynch option (WoS) was also scum I'm not gonna put too much stock into it. But I'm still looking into other people.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 06 2013 12:54 GMT

#2288

On July 06 2013 12:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Also, the main point against my claim which had originally cleared me is that everyone now believes that mafia was given fakeclaims @ some point before I made my claim. (either during the pause or to start with). I think that's nonsense and am pretty sure I can poke all types of holes in it.

But, I need to know what people actually believe in regards to the fakeclaims. Because it's hard to refute a theory when no one actually has details of that theory.

- Was mafia given blues to claim?
- Was Survivor given more than 1 role to claim?
- WHat do people believe WoS's extra information that he supposedly cant talk about was?
- Anything else I'm not thinking of?

Can you try to answer some of these marv? Or @ least speculate?

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

July 06 2013 12:58 GMT

#2289

I think I've speculated enough on that type of shizzle.

Basically I don't think you're thinking like a townie. There exists the possibility that you're just right about stuff and I'm wrong, but I don't think that's it.

Which is why I, at least, need to see a case from you that's not on WoS.

By the way, it's not the fact that gumshoe got us to lynch scum (ok, it is that) but it's the way he wrote about it and argued for it. If it's a scumplay it's really brilliant and just seems so god-damn unlikely. I'd have hoped you would think the same too.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 06 2013 13:27 GMT

#2290

OK, I think I got it.

Look @ the last hour or so of day 1. Fuba was the vote leader for the majority of that last hour. He was pretty active in the thread during that time. @ no point did he try use one of the fakeclaims that his team was supposedly given.

Even though the claims were getting people out of nooses left and right, he never once thought to use his get out of jail free card. That's because scum was not given fake claims.

Does anybody disagree w/ that assessment?

Stutters695

2610 Posts

July 06 2013 13:31 GMT

#2291

By process of elimination the only possible claim he could have had would be Miller. Claiming Miller after the first hour is not a get out of jail free card.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 06 2013 13:43 GMT

#2292

On July 06 2013 22:31 Stutters695 wrote:
By process of elimination the only possible claim he could have had would be Miller. Claiming Miller after the first hour is not a get out of jail free card.

Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had?

Stutters695

2610 Posts

July 06 2013 13:44 GMT

#2293

If you want to live show us why your choice is better, looking for non-verifiable technicalities to get out of the lynch won't help you.

##vote: JarJarDrinks

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 06 2013 13:47 GMT

#2294

On July 06 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Show nested quote +

Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had?

Like Who do you think is scum right now stutters? Even if you think I am, there has to be another person in the game that's scum right? So wouldn't Fuba have had that persons role to claim?

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

July 06 2013 13:48 GMT

#2295

On July 06 2013 22:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Show nested quote +

Like Who do you think is scum right now stutters? Even if you think I am, there has to be another person in the game that's scum right? So wouldn't Fuba have had that persons role to claim?

Stutters is right, why don't *you* tell *us* who's scum instead?

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 06 2013 13:48 GMT

#2296

On July 06 2013 22:44 Stutters695 wrote:
If you want to live show us why your choice is better, looking for non-verifiable technicalities to get out of the lynch won't help you.

##vote: JarJarDrinks

It's not a technicality. It's simple logic.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 06 2013 13:55 GMT

#2297

On July 06 2013 22:48 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

Stutters is right, why don't *you* tell *us* who's scum instead?

Because I don't know right now so I'm focusing on what I do know and I'm proving my innocence. But I am still looking into it. Apparently you don't know who's scum either since you're voting for a townie.

Stutter last post is pretty strange. Like shouldn't he be thinking in terms of there being another scummie in the game that faked a claim? WHy would he say that miller was the only option?

And Marv, please tell me the flaw in my logic above. Fuba didn't fake claim on day 1. Why?

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

July 06 2013 14:00 GMT

#2298

Please make a case on me JJD.

Please.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

July 06 2013 14:01 GMT

#2299

On July 06 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Show nested quote +

Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had?

WoS had Vig and I believe he's 3p. A second lynch target getting out of it via claiming VT wouldn't fly, especially with Marv back in the thread and I believe Marv(much to Vivax's dismay I'm sure), Gum, and Vivax are town so his only options are miller or none.

Also to get you off this WoS scum theory, can you please explain why two people of their nature would fuck up something as simple as WoS claiming RB'd vigi when all Fuba has to do is say he JK'd WoS and they might get out of the lynch and really fucked us d2. By extension Vivax must be town since if not withholding KP is straight retarded to verify a vet claim on someone who wasn't a d2 candidate when they could have done the same thing with Fuba instead of Vivax and get him off the lynch block. Vivax also could have potentially pulled off the late Miller claim when you take into account his history in like LIX.

Think about it

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

July 06 2013 14:03 GMT

#2300

I don't think you're scum because claims, I think you're scum because I don't believe your WoS read, I don't get why a townie would be asking why gumshoe looks townie, I don't like how you passively agreed with rayn's theory to retract it weakly later, I don't like how you went from pushing fuba to just dropping it for WoS.

If you're town and you can't find scum or at least demonstrate a townie thought process (which is primarily where I think you've fell down, repeatedly) then we're gonna lose today.