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I will be his bodyguard and if someone nukes him i will revenge-nuke them instantly! For the win! For Chezinu! | ||
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I am The Defender Of The House Of Chezinu! My objective is to kill all those who oppose the almighty GOD! Therefore, as said, i will revenge-nuke anyone who is going to oppose the truth. Don't push me! For mother Russia! For victory! For Chezinu! | ||
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Discussing stuff with Xata is useless, he is dead. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote: Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on. This is the best post of the day! Dandel totally town! | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Damn its a good thing I nuked you rayn, I guess you're scum too. At least i have given 3 reads already. Dandel - town Geript - scum Xatalos - nuked Why did you nuke me? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:15 geript wrote: True I did have to NK you that game. So other than Vayne, who's the best lynch? You down for lynching Dandel too? I'm pretty tempted by Rayn as well. What makes me scum? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:20 geript wrote: WoS I don't have a real read on yet. But I'm not happy with how he didn't make a response to my luv tunnel comment. He normally would joke back at that. Rayn is not acting all towny rayn and acting far more like Hydra 2 just getting in the way. Explain the similarities. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:23 geript wrote: In Hydra 2 nukes could be pm'd to the host to be sent without having been posted in the thread. Had scum noticed they would've nuked Fivetouch when Palmar/DP fake nuked them. I didn't see anything requiring nukes be posted in the thread in the OP so there's no reason to fake nuke as it can really fuck up town if a hidden nuke is launched off of a fake nuke. In Hydra 2 me/Otas had a nuke. We totally missed that nukes could be sent in "invisibly" if that's true. In this game there are ~5 people who have "nuked". What makes me scum over the others? (Btw if you are telling the truth about this game i missed that in the OP here too). | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:25 geript wrote: In PYP you were all aggressive, readforming and planning. But really you're not being aggressive with me at all. Rather in Hydra you were doing the same type of mindless aggression and being generally aimless which is why everyone ended up being more willing to lynch you than FMB or WaveofCheesecake. First of all, oops. In my last post i thought you were talking to me and that was a quote to support your argument. Also you can tell all this in ~20minutes into the game and it makes it true? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'd be down for a rayn lynch since he defended his scumbuddy WoS. @ geript: What do you think about this? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:37 geript wrote: Why are you avoiding my question? What's the basis of your scum read on me? Ehh.. Let me rephrase; You are softly calling me out because i posted in red. Now you want to lynch me because of the first 20minutes into the game i decided to joke (mostly). - You call me out for something that's not alignment indicative (posting in red 1min into the game) - Later on, you think i am scum for meta when i have mostly joked around in this game, and Hydra 2 is a terrible exaple for my scumplay. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:41 geript wrote: I don't think MZ as scum would post as carelessly as that. What do you think about it? I do not see a town motive for not reading the thread. Do you? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:47 geript wrote: I think you're misunderstanding what I've been doing. I just wanted to skip past the mafia foreplay and get straight into the calling scum phase. So you're trying to soft call me scum for not reading the thread carefully in the first ~50 min. Isn't that a bit hypocritical First part: I don't understand? Explain. Second: What? That was about M_Z. On July 07 2013 07:48 geript wrote: explain. This is like the scummiest statement you've made so far. Why? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:05 geript wrote: rofl, this is the full set of quotes which you failed to provide: On July 07 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not see a town motive for not reading the thread. Do you? You have a supertown read on a person who I consider to be completely null. I want you to explain that shit so that I can either A understand the read or B call you scum for having a town read on a completely null player. Capice. So, as town you would like me to explain my read in case i can read gumshoe better than you. In here you are trying to paint me as mafia because i said something you did not understand. scum. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: you are looking bad geript is looking good xata is looking good gumshoe is looking null chez is looking brown Why? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:09 Stutters695 wrote: Want a nuke gumshoe? gimme another nuke, i'll use it well. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:17 Xatalos wrote: Why call gumshoe supertown if you can't even give any reasonable explanation for doing that? I do not give explanations unless asked if i don't like to. Noone has asked me about that. Why are you defending geript? What do you think of our exchange? | ||
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There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town. I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything". geript is scum for that, are you? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:19 Chezinu wrote: Greetings Father, I'm am Chezinu Isunizehc. Do you remember me? I know its been a while since you have last seen me, but I am in grave need right now. I have found out there are individuals that wish my termination and rumors that they have spoken about nuking me. For your image, you must save me. If you can't save your son, what will people think? I know you hate me and think of me as a monster, but the best thing to do right now is the hide this monster in your vault. Periodically, you can allow me to speak with the people to prove that I am safe. I know a deserve worse in your eyes, but the people and I leave you know choice. Your Monster, Chezinu Isunizehc You are safe. <3 | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:22 MajuGarzett wrote: He basically asked you reasons for your read and then you responded by saying no one asked you for reasons instead of giving some. No, he asked me why i can't give reasons for gumshoe being town, not what my reasons are. There is a difference. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:24 Xatalos wrote: Well, you are asked NOW (and you already were before this). So why not answer? It shouldn't take long to think of the answer if you have one. Your exhange feels like you squirming and geript figuring out stuff. Ask yourself, which is townish and which is scummy? If you are town why would gumshoe tell you (and tha thread) why his scum meta you "described" does not hold water? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:26 Onegu wrote: Wait what? This is only my third game but I thought the request was reasonable. And I would like to know why you are fighting giving reasons for makeing a town read so hard. I want reasons so I can compare my thoughts and give feedback just because you have a town read doesnt mean I do and your reasons my make me look at him in a different light. I am not afraid to give reasons. I already posted them. Look at how geript and Xatalos "ask" me what my reasons are. They do not ask, they basically say "rofl, you can't have good enough reasons" and softly call me scum. Look at the posts between me/them, what do you think? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:28 Ace wrote: This feels very familiar. Didn't rayne get lynched because people jumped the gun on him in Carnival Cruise? No i got shot on N1 or N2 because i was so frigging town. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:27 geript wrote: OMGUS much Rayn? ? | ||
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Like why the fuck would i be suggesting you and gumshoe are mafia together? Please reread my filter and get back to me if you want answers. Now you are just shitting up the thread with things that are completely wrong. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:35 Ace wrote: [/quote]Rayne caught pressure in CCM early on even though imo he wasn't screwing shit up. I thought he got lynched but he got vigi'd by Vivax I think. I have never got lynched, vigged or any other town-killed as town, and i won't. I don't see what the big deal is. You asked geript what makes you scum, when he did you countered with a response on your play in Hydra 2. Seems legit to me. 1) You think Hydra 2 is a legit way to describe my scum-meta? 2) You think the first 20 minutes of the game (when it's clearly seen that mostly what i say are jokes) is comparable to the worst scumgame i have ever played? 3) Is the thought process valid, legit and all ok? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:40 Ace wrote: @rayne: I don't see why not. I dont have a scum read on anyone yet. Xatalos thinks you are trying to tie him and gumshoe together. I thought your beef was with geript. You suspect gumshoe though? I don't, where do i say so? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:44 Onegu wrote: Going back his first post is explain, then his second is why he wants the read. Sure he does put some soft scum reads in there, but I think the requests are clear and reasonable. You are right. I misread that (or actually i took the accusative parts and missed the rest of his posts). My fault. What do you think of M_Z not reading the thread at all and calling me out for defending WoS? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:40 Ace wrote: @rayne: I don't see why not. I dont have a scum read on anyone yet. Xatalos thinks you are trying to tie him and gumshoe together. I thought your beef was with geript. You suspect gumshoe though? I don't. I think gumshoe is supertown. :D | ||
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Not sure yet, there is a lot of time. I'm off to bed soon (in like 1h), i'll reread him tonight or tomorrow if not possible tonight. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:57 Ace wrote: I think your posts are clear, he is confused by them. He seems genuinely lost. atm town or scum and why? | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:00 Ace wrote: You already know I don't give strong reads most of the time so don't act surprised. I consider Xatalos town atm by the way  Actually Xatalos is almost definitely town. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:00 johnnywup wrote: I've played like 3-5 games before this but I think they were like a year ago Do you have anything that stands out as scummy in thread? | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:04 Xatalos wrote: Who are you implying is scummy based on that? (As a sidenote, how can there be no scumtells and yet be scummy activity at the same time........) Bah, you are asking questions too straightforward. You never catch scum with that on D1, use your imagination. :D | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:08 Xatalos wrote: I'm happy you feel that way. Now, please clearly answer these two: A) Why is gumshoe "supertown"? B) What did your earlier post about me and gumshoe mean exactly? a) i explained that in the very post b) see a) - If gumshoe was mafia and you town - why would gumshoe tell you, a town player, how to meta-read him better as he has claimed he is always a "wild card" who is unreadable? - If gumshoe is town and you town - makes sense, you don't waste time on him if you believe him, and he is telling the truth - If you are both mafia - why say that in thread? actually why would either of you enter that discussion (pointless) in thread? | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote: Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. What's the point of this question as i asked basically the same thing (without revealing my intentions) than Xatalos did from JW? | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:22 Xatalos wrote: Ok, now I think I understand. You should have been clearer from the beginning. So basically both me and gumshoe are "supertown" for having that exchange..... Well, not sure if I agree with your logic, but at least there is a clear logic (the lack of which bothered me most until now). Although why this then? No, you are town for nuking Chezinu. I am town and for what i posted pre-game and in my first post, i do not think any scum had balls to even fake-nuke Chezinu in case i really nuke them back. gumshoe is town for his exchange with you. | ||
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Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash. No, what loses town high KP games is the fact that townies or scum shoot town. Xatalos is the fucking towniest guy in thread besides gumshoe. You are probably scum for questioning me besides Chezinu's reasons for nuking Xata. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote: doesn't Z-boson just look like a name that's going to flip scum? Do you have anything to say about anything related to the game? | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote: what in particular? The chezinu nuke already is weird but we havent seen any flips yet. You were perfectly capable of giving analysis on D1 in Basterd mafia. I expect you a capable doing that here aswell. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:45 Xatalos wrote: Confused about Chezinu's play, but I don't think that was a scumclaim. If he was scum, why would he announce it rather than launching it in secret? It seems more like a really stupid town play. If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread. I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style. Maybe he has to claim is? Maybe someone else nuked and he just claimed it? I dunno, Chezinu as town usually is good in his reads from what i know. | ||
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WoS is wishy-washy, so is austin. Xata, because if he did not announce it in thread it was "sure" to be scum nuke and someone would anti-nuke it if possible. If he does announce it, everyone goes: "why the fuck would he nuke if he was scum??. THAT*S WHY"! im off to bed, | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:58 austinmcc wrote: You'll notice that at no point in the OP does it say ANYONE has silent nukes. You'll notice that it doesn't say "scum has silent nukes and town doesn't." You are assuming both of those things to be true and then using those assumptions to justify something. You may be assuming that because one/both of those things were true in another game, but this game is not that game. Stop. So you call me out for assuming that when it was Xatalos that asked me about it? Sweet <3 | ||
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On July 07 2013 16:58 geript wrote: Here's my problem with this line of reasoning. Because meta is essentially worthless except for forming accusations or putting the icing on a nice big case, I don't think that talking about how to 'appropriately' determine someone's meta is pro-town or pro-scum. Scum can use it as a distration; town can use it to better give information and help solidify towniness. But it's not a way to get a town read imo. Right now, I would be down for the following lynches. I will explain more about why tomorrow after d&d WaveofShadow Onegu Vayne austin caucasainasian It's not in itself, but if someone (in this case Xatalos, who is likely to be town) says he can meta read gumshoe and is wrong about it (as gumshoe thinks), why would you correct that statement of Xatalos'? If you were mafia and Xatalos is town, why would you not let Xata have his wrong line of thinking that makes you look town to him if you know your scum meta is in fact different? What's the point of correcting him and possibly give him a reason to think you are mafia later on when you don't have to do that? That is my reasoning. On July 07 2013 10:19 austinmcc wrote: Does this make sense, MZ? If he were scum, he's either trying to sac chez for credit or he's trying to get someone to nuke town chez for nuking town xat. (Or both are scum and then rayn wouldn't be doing this probs, because he'd look bad/odd when xat flipped) What, specifically, are you seeing in terms of him going from defensive --> shitting, and why does it give you a scumread? This is a good question and i want it answered too. Because i have not been defensive and i have not been shitting the thread. About Chezinu and his nuke: If Chezinu is town: - Nuke is real: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? If you think he is mafia, why would you not give reasons for your nuke? - Nuke is a dud or smth: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? Best case scenario is that nothing happens at the deadline, worst case scenario is town uses anti-nuke or something to stop the nuke, Chezinu get's lynched. Chezinu is crazy, but he is not stupid. Therefore i do not see a reason for him to nuke a player i see most likely to be town at this point. This also is Chezinu's nuke. If mafia used Chez's post as a cover to launch a silent nuke, he would have said that's the case already. If Chezinu is mafia: - Nuke is real and Chezinu launched it: Makes people go "no you can't be mafia for nuking at this point" like you all are. Townie dies. Profit! - Nuke is real and Chezinu's scumbuddy launched it: What i said before, but even better. If you get lynched for it, you don't lose the guy who is nuking. Double profit! - Nuke is a dud or smth: Make town to possibly waste anti-nuke or something to stop the "nuke". There are a lot of upsides in launching a nuke at this point for mafia. If Xatalos is mafia, launcing a dud nuke on your scumbuddy is brilliant. Regardless of Xatalos' affiliation you confuse the thread. There is zero benefit launching a nuke as town, even if you believed that Xatalos is mafia, all you can do is possibly fuck up town's play and sidetrack us to talk about something that is not relevant at all. Unless Chezinu outs his reasoning for nuking Xatalos, i'm keeping my vote on him. And no, insanity is not a reason. If Chezinu was Drazerk i could buy that, but he is not. He is a smart guy who is in some twisted way good at this shit. If someone disagrees with me, tell me where i am wrong. | ||
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Tell me why he's mafia. | ||
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On July 07 2013 18:23 Chezinu wrote: So, you are saying that Xatalos is mafia, but you want me to come up with reasons for you? You seem so certain that he is mafia in this statement. No i am not. I am saying that as you nuked Xatalos you must think he is mafia. Why would a town player nuke another town player under any circumstances? So why do you think Xatalos is mafia? | ||
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On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote: @rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. | ||
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On July 07 2013 20:28 Xatalos wrote: Onegu's posting is giving me scummy vibes atm. This is just so non-committal. "johnnywup might be scum, or he might not. What should my read on Chezinu be guys?" And this earlier post... Many sentences, appears contributive. Doesn't actually do anything at all for the thread. Crosses the border to scummy semi-contribution IMO. The best part is that he asks my reasoning for my gumshoe read so that he can compare his thoughts on the matter and give feedback. When i give my reasons he does... nothing. :D Agreed that Onegu is scummy as hell. | ||
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There's 5 people voting me right now. Since I'm town, there's probably 2-3 scum voting for me and 2-3 misguided townies. Among the people who voted for me, I think WoS, TanGeng are the most scummy. I've already said why I don't like WoS, and I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value. I'm pretty sure xatalos is town. I'm unsure about vayne.. I don't like him by any stretch of the imagination but he seems too bold voting me first...I don't know, he may be scum still. Abenson hasn't posted much...like at all. I can't really read him based on his posts in thread but he certainly looks like scum to me for quietly hopping on the bandwagon to vote me without saying anything. So if I were to say whos townie and whos scum out of those 5 I'd say Xatalos and Vayne are town and the other 3 are scum, but I need more to go on from Abenson but he really hasn't given me a good first impression. This part of Johnny's post mirrors my thoughts on the people voting for him like 100%. Only thing i disagree to some extent is that WoS is the scummiest of those people. | ||
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On July 08 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn you really believe that half the scumteam jumped on the Whoops Wagon this early when half the thread is lurking and it's just as easy for them to hide? You say Johnny is town, why? Just because his post mirrors your thoughts? First of all, what do you mean by half of the scumteam? Do you know how many scum there are? How? Second, yes, i think johnny is town because his thoughts mirror mine. And because his posting feels genuine and not restricted in any way. Third, (as Xata asked) i'm not sure if you (WoS) are scum or not. I know you are capable of good scumplay and you havn't provided us much, only new/lurker lynches. What's that? Can you give your opinion to my post about Chezinu? Why not lynch Maju? What separates him from Johnny? Also i do not think Abenson is mafia. | ||
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Also now that you reminded me, i was shot by prpl in Red, but i wasn't really town and that was only because i claimed. I have never been mislynched. | ||
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Also geript is totally town. | ||
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I would add ON/Chez/Maju into the list. | ||
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vayne's conspiracy theory about johnny's - my alignment and his thought process screams town to me. It's so incredibly hard to understand he must genuinely believe in that. :D I don't think he would pull that kinda stuff from his ass as scum. | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:26 geript wrote: I don't think I've ever seen him make sense as either alignment. But I think it was a newbie game and another game or two (as town) where he came off as super arrogant. I don't see that at all here. I also don't see how his conspiracy theories make him town. Normally, I would agree that that type of this tends to be a newbie town tell, but I don't see any real convoluted aspect to them. His thought process is just so intentionally murky to me that I don't like it in addition to the random meta bonus. But eh, Can we at least both agree that NirvanaMonkey should be lynched if he doesn't do shit other than his one previous post? Bolded: Sure. In other news, i kinda know how to read vayne, to some extent. In basterd he only got lynched because it seemed like he was not caring about the lynch on D1 when in fact he had to go (and he didn't tell us). Other than that he looked pretty town. Not sure if he is town and sure he is worth questioning, but he should prove himself in a way or another. atm i am leaning town on him. Xatalos, you can drop Abenson for now. It's the fact that he ninjavoted Johnny. Do you think a relatively new(?) scum player would ninjavote someone when having only 2 posts that do not say anything? I don't. Also why does noone think ON is scum. His filter is full of shit imo. | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:43 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: I happened to notice Onegu's posts in the past few pages and I didn't notice yours. Ahh so you don't read the whole thread and just vote reactionary? Is this the behaviour you are going to follow the whole game? | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:58 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: I didn't say I didn't read your posts noob Now you are making zero sense. Elaborate please. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Anybody who's ever played with Ace will give him a town read right now. I have played with Ace, multiple times. Can you explain the townread on him? | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:17 Xatalos wrote: Not sure if I said anything about Ace before, but actually I get the feeling he's probably town. I see no reason for him to engage in the discussion to defend you like that unless you're both scum or both town. Currently leaning both town, so there's that. Actually he did not defend me at all. Both you and him misread my post, what else could he have said? | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Scum Ace is disruptive, scum Ace is in the thread constantly flinging dirt around and getting away with it because of his name, scum Ace is stifling discussion, scum Ace is active. Town Ace is just sitting around praying he's not the target of every single scum action night one. Do you happen to remember the last game Ace was scum in? | ||
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MZ: So Ace is supposedly a good scumplayer. And you are saying he is really easy to figure out as town when he is town. How the fuck does that make sense? On Dandel: We are not lynching Dandel. He is most likely town. | ||
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Xata, reasonable would be the word i would describe Ace atm. That certainly does not make him town and MZ is either scum or really wrong with his reasoning. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:38 austinmcc wrote: You asked if I could see Areason. You didn't ask for a good one. But he gave a reason, and that's what it was. As far as whether it's a good or bad reason, I don't care. His reasoning behind the nuke, IF THERE IS A NUKE, isn't telling on his alignment to me. I assume the fuel that powers that nuke's flight is fun, not scumhunting/fake scumhunting, and that it would be fun for either alignment of chez to fire off the "revenge" nuke. Well of course there always can be a reason. "Because i can". Anyways nuking Xatalos does not make any sense from town PoV and that's why Chezinu is scum. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Inactive Dandel is scum Dandel Apathetic Dandel is scum Dandel Let's not let him slide here. So Dandel, who is usually as town the most disruptive person (besides Oats) in thread tried a new scum-strategy? That's what you are trying to sell us? | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Read your post again slowly. I'll let you figure it out. No, you answer it. Are you seriously saying Dandel's answer in a large game like this as mafia is that he is going to be even more lurky / aphatic (as you put it) than usually as mafia, when it's really easy to mimic his town play as there is a lot of shit going on at every moment? | ||
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We are lynching into Chez/NG/WoS/ON/Maju today. That's my preferred order of their scumminess. Chez & NG are like totally scum. I'm off to bed. kthxbye. | ||
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On July 08 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote: NG NG is scum. He says both WoS and vayne are scum then votes Onegu for being bad. then he gets into rayns face for NO Reason. This guys scum guys To expand on this, this set of quotes: On July 08 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now you are making zero sense. Elaborate please. NG says he noticed Onegu's posts about Chezinu but not mine. Then he says he apparently did see my posts after all? When i ask him to clarify, he does not answer. scum. Chezinu: After the possible nuking period is over (in some hours), i expect you to give your clear reasoning for nuking Xatalos over anyone else in the game. If you do not give that, i will be lynching you until you die and i encourage everyone else to do so. Right now you are only flip-flopping around the question, saying "i am dead already" (lol, people take this at face value??). I don't care if you had to launch your nuke or not, i care about why Xatalos was in your opinion the best target of all the people. Oats i am not scum. Why do you think Johnny is scum? Alakasam is either scum or terribad. | ||
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On July 08 2013 16:54 geript wrote: This just in. FirmTofu is like confirmed town unless that was a completely constructed post. FirmTofu was confirmed town from his post where he talked about me. | ||
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On July 08 2013 16:59 geript wrote: I'll look back at that but I didn't remember and didn't have it down. On July 08 2013 04:54 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I've got plenty of time now and I've finally got my computer back. I have skimmed through the thread and I'd just like to point out a few things before posting my mega post(tm). Two main people have been targeted as lynches today. Johnnywup and rayn both look like easy scum redirects. In other words, relatively weak town members that would be easy to lynch if push comes to shove. I think you should be watching any and all players on those respective wagons and see how their votes change over the course of the thread. I'm having trouble understanding this Chezinu guy. Apparently, he's a troll? I'm unfamiliar with his persona so could anyone explain? I've still gotta read his claim in detail so I'll post more about that later. Scum QT has been talking about me, that's for sure, because at that point i had something like 3 pages of filter. Assuming that, FirmTofu's statement does not make sense from scum pov, because here are my town games: TL Mafia games: LoTR Mafia - town - bombed N5 (~2years ago, my first game ever) RED Team's Prize - town (third faction) - hit by prplhz N3 Ego Mini Mafia - town - survived, won, caught Oats Boardwalk Empire Mafia: PYP - town - hit N1 TL Mafia LXI - town - hit N2 Carnival Cruise Mafia - town - hit N1 Les Mafia - town - hit N1 Basterd mini mafia - town - hit N1 Based only on that list and my assumption about scum QT, do i come out as "relatively weak town member"? | ||
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"Carnival Cruise Mafia - town - hit N1" And no Ace, Vivax vigged vayne, scum hit me. | ||
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On July 08 2013 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote: rayn is weak, anyway I feel that cocky rayn is town rayn. Rayn is chez your top scumread? How do you even know i am weak? Do i need to be right on everything on D1 for you to consider me strong? About my reads: We are lynching into Chez/NG/WoS/ON/Maju today. That's my preferred order of their scumminess. Chez & NG are like totally scum. Yes, Chezinu at the top if he does not explain why Xata was the best target to nuke. If he gives a reasonable explanation, NG as close second. People who are town: geript, Dandel, vayne, FT, Abenson, Gumshoe, Xatalos, MZ (if he dies to nuke he is definitely gonna flip town), jampidampi (weak read),. Everyone else is null or null leaning scummy. | ||
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On July 08 2013 17:28 FirmTofu wrote: When I say "weak", I mean it's easy to find dirt on you to pursue a lynch off of. That doesn't make you a bad player by any means. You attract attention, good and bad, making you a prime target for the scum. Scum also probably generally find it easy to convince others to vote for you. I obviously haven't played in all the games you mentioned, but maybe you have witnessed this phenomenon in your own games. It remains to be seen whether this is how you should play, but so far I'd say it's been working. I am always under pressure as either alignment. That's how i work. I gather most of my reads based on how people interact with me and why do they do what they do. I don't care about pressure in case i have enough time to actually play the game. There is always going to be some strong town member who actually figures out why i do what i do in case i am not able to convince idiot!town. But sure as hell i am not an "easy mislynch" and that's why people are afraid to vote for me (in this particular game, scum). | ||
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On July 08 2013 17:30 FirmTofu wrote: Could you elaborate on why you think Vayne is town? If your read is weak, please have a look at my case against him and reconsider. This post of Vayne's... On July 08 2013 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch. Given how easy the bandwagon was, I would look at the people defending him for absolutely zero reason if he flips town. Scum tryin' to get dat town cred. On the same token we can also analyze the people that are saying one thing and lynching john on the other once the flip occurs. If he flips scum, then there's not much to say. Rayn is probably town if he flips scum for being just about the only person to defend him. .. is so surreal i don't see how he could possibly twist everything like this if he was mafia. Other than that he has been reasonable with his explanations and straight up proposing targets, more than many others in thread. | ||
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On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote: Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this? Why would Vayne... 1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is. 2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics. 3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content" We need to lynch this guy ASAP. Actually this is a good point. Vayne explain. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash. First there is this. This is horribly wrong. What loses town high KP games is that people like Chezinu are allowed to get away with this kinda shit. Nuking someone (whatever kind of nuke you have) without a reason is anti-town. Period. MZ is already saying we should not suspect Chezinu, hell he is not even saying we should question him for his terrible nuke. Why? Chezinu: possibly town, don’t really feel like arguing with the jubjubs about this one. Verdict: Possibly Town Here is his read on Chezinu later. How the fuck is Chezinu possibly town? 6. How in the fuck is Chez possible town? This game is practically exactly the same as LX? I called him possible town in a reaction to the people calling for his death. In my mind he's more likely town than scum, especially since he's hinting that he was forced to launch a nuke. I'm really not interested in killing him today. Although you may have a point that I'm missing since I don't remember LX very well (was I even in it?). MZ is straight up buying Chezinu's explanation. Still Chezinu has not explained why Xatalos over all people. On July 08 2013 11:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well chez appears to be dead so all you chez haters can now hop off the train and talk about Dandel with me. Straight up buying Chezinu's explanation that he is going to die. On July 08 2013 16:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Chez already answered his nuke. I think I should look over NG since several people have mentioned him recently. Alakslam is just a terribad noob, no need to kill him. I'm tired, good night. Chezinu NEVER answered the most and only important question. "Why did you nuke Xatalos over all the other people?" Now, how the fuck is this any different from this: On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch. Don't get me wrong here. I am not saying either of these guys are sure scum. In fact MZ will most likely flip town if he actually flips. I don't even know if Chezinu is scum, but he is damn scummy if he does not give reasonable reason for nuking Xatalos and not anyone else instead!!! What i want to know is why people think MZ is not scummy because of this, but Vayne is? That's a contradiction in itself, because they are saying exactly the same thing - they are giving Chezinu a town read for exactly same reasons. | ||
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On July 08 2013 17:58 FirmTofu wrote: I don't think MZ's defense of Chez is comparable to Vayne's. MZ's defense is considerably more muted and only came after the nuke on Chez. Considering MZ has also been nuked and has posted a lengthy list of all of his reads, I don't think he warrants our attention today. Wait wtf. Has someone nuked Chez? | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:02 Ace wrote: Setup is closed and we don't know what role mechanics exist. Claiming nukes this early with little information is pointless. Also, if Scum know who holds nukes that may lead to them NKing Town with KP if they have nukes themselves. This is something i wanted to comment on earlier but forgot. Ace i think you are misunderstanding me; I was trying to say if you are town and launch a nuke you should claim it even if the nuke is silent. This way we know that every nuke not claimed in thread when launched is from mafia (that seems to be the case with the nuke on MZ). | ||
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On July 08 2013 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: To expand on this, this set of quotes: NG says he noticed Onegu's posts about Chezinu but not mine. Then he says he apparently did see my posts after all? When i ask him to clarify, he does not answer. scum. NG elaborate on this please. | ||
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On July 08 2013 19:46 Onegu wrote: He was fake nuked by xata, he says that is why he fired back in his own roundabout way. And this is perfectly fine reasoning to revenge-nuke yes? On July 08 2013 20:09 TanGeng wrote: Dang. I didn't get around to checking before the day 1 nuke deadline. I guess dead man walking? Yay. Based on the assumed deadline, johnnywup has a day 1 nuke? And considering on the setup, unless multiple nukes explode at day 1, this probably makes johnnywup town. If multiple townies die from not firing day 1 nukes then johnnywup is scum. There might be the play to launch now and claim an early deadline but that just doesn't make sense. Now. I resort to prayer. I can't understand anything of the bolded. Explain. | ||
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On July 08 2013 20:58 TanGeng wrote: Day 1 time limit. If Chezinu's unstable nukes then why not johnnywup. Are you saying (assuming johnny and Chez are telling the truth about "hot-potato" nukes) that there might be townies who have the same kinda role and did not fire theirt nukes but rather suicided? Or what does this mean; "If multiple townies die from not firing day 1 nukes then johnnywup is scum." And how exactly does this make johnny scum? And if "multiple nukes do not explode", how exactly does this make johnny town? | ||
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On July 08 2013 22:02 Xatalos wrote: You might be right about Chezinu, but IMO there are too many unanswered questions about him, his nuke etc. to pass judgement yet. For all we know, it might even be a passable time-bomb or something like that (Vayne suggested that I think?). If I do indeed detonate, come deadline, you have my permission to tunnel him to death I can agree on NG. His vote for Onegu felt more like a throwaway scum vote than actually caring if he's scum or not. That's why i said he needs to claim whatever it is after nukes can be no more sent in (which is now). Or his reasons for nuking you from all the people. | ||
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On July 08 2013 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote: guysss I have a 1shot anti nuke thing. so I can shoot down nukes Which nuke do I destroy!. Im currently going with the xalatos one because Chez scumread is stronger than Johnny scumread ESPECIALLY since johnny seems to be posting, I feel that I can get a more confident read on johnny later. Also chez has never ever ever explained why xalatos past CHEZINU RULE. I dont buy it. Nope. Discuss. Shoot the nuke on Xatalos down. He is obviously town. | ||
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I suggest we lynch NG. Anyone in? Because if Chezinu's nuke is some type that "helps" people, as there apparently are people who gain something from nukes, it makes sense to shoot it towards a townie. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Nirvana.Gabo Here's the case: On July 08 2013 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: To expand on this, this set of quotes: NG says he noticed Onegu's posts about Chezinu but not mine. Then he says he apparently did see my posts after all? When i ask him to clarify, he does not answer. scum. | ||
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The problem is that Xatalos is kinda vanilla now. Unless some townie has a radiation nuke. If you do, launch that towards Xatalos the first thing on D2 if he is alive. I'm not giving Chezinu a "free pass", he still needs to explain himself. There is plenty of time before the lynch. I would have like Oats to clarify from hosts does the anti-nuke block only KP or all the effects. Apparently all, and given that i would definitely defend Xata over Meapak. There is still a chance scum launched a fake-nuke on their scumbuddy Meapak. Imagine what it does. First of all you gain town credit. Second, you become "unlynchable" for the phase. Like, "why would we even look at that guy who is going to die either way". | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game. I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit. Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. Best possible idea everest! GO! | ||
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##Unvote: ##Vote: Chezinu Ace's idea is terrible. Of course everyone has a scumread at the end of the day, unless they are scum. | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Well shit, Rayn's on board. DONE DEAL LADIES. Is your action gonna be announced in thread? | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:54 jampidampi wrote: thanks So should we lynch Chezinu for not explaining his nuking properly? Yes we should. | ||
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Looks like you are lynching scum atm right? Ace why do you pretend to be stupid enough to not see this? | ||
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I don't want to lynch austin. I want to sheep him. Or rather "sheep" as i think ON is scum. | ||
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##Vote: OriginalName Look at how he responds to Ace's suggestion for example. "I think Ace means [..this...], remember, i do not agree with it." | ||
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Second, i just read ON's D1 posts from LoTR. That's like a 100% difference. My vote is staying. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:41 OriginalName wrote: I was also 100% Vanilla in LoTR incase you havent noticed, along with that LoTR was one of my worst preformances in any memory of mafia that I have, I quit for awhile because of how disgusted I was with that game how you can you use meta arguements to justify everything + Show Spoiler + I am claiming a power role for those who are wondering If you are town this is 10000x worse performance than LoTR was. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote: Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel And what's your stance on this lynch? | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:43 OriginalName wrote: Ill spell it out for you. I have a power role, this role will not work day 1 or day 2. I'm not going to be unhelpful, but im not going to attempt to get shot either. And this means what? Never EVER hide behind a power role as i think at least almost everyone has one in this game. That shit get's you lynched, and gives mafia a justification to claim "i did not do anything because i have a role". | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:48 austinmcc wrote: Dear urrbody, I posted a case. How about you discuss it instead of just vote blindly. By voting and not discussing, if ON is scum, it makes it easy for scum to jump on board the lynch and we can't actually pinpoint when they do so if EVERYONE just goes "Oh what? A case? A case! Let's vote!" ON, you've claimed to be blue. As best I can tell, so have Chezinu, WoS, Oatsmaster, Xatalos, TanGeng, and pretty much anyone else who has been nuked/possibly killified. Are you saying you should not be killed when you're blue, when it appears we have a LOT of blues, or are you saying that you do something in particular that we don't want to lynch? Actually ON should debunk your case instead of telling how he has not played mafia for a year. I agree with your case and as you might very well know i have been suspicious of ON for a long time. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:53 austinmcc wrote: You're being overly aggressive with this. Yes, I'd like to hear a response. But good lord people need to give reasons for their votes. Something that they specifically agree with, something that resonates with them, ... a ghost told them to vote. All this voting for nothing more than "Case = vote" is butt. I am not being aggressive, i was just saying i have had a scumread on ON and want to lynch him. I have given my reasons, which is basically this (in your words): (A) He looks like he's interacting with the thread, but he's not really. Most of his posts are throwaways. Most of the ones that LOOK like they have analysis or votes or scumhunting or something are just air. He doesn't care about scumhunting, he doesn't seem to care at all about the game at all. In my words: His filter is full of shit and nothing more. You are right about people who have not mentioned ON by a word and are now hopping on the train. | ||
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ALASKASLAM: EXPLAIN YOUR VOTING BEHAVIOUR IMMEDIATELY! | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:20 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: ON claimed a PR, i don't see hwy that wouldn't change your view of his alignment Why are you excluding hte possibility of everyone having a role this game? | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:10 s0Lstice wrote: [/small]FIRING SOLUTIONS Chezinu: (3) [green]Abenson[] jampidampi gumshoe WaveofShadow: (0) Onegu: (2) Nirvana.Gabo MajuGarzett austinmcc: (0) raynepelikoneet: (0) Z-BosoN: (0) Dandel Ion: (8) johnnywup WaveofShadow OriginalName Ace VayneAuthority strongandbig Meapak_Ziphh Stutters695 Nirvana.Gabo: (1) Oatsmaster ghost_403: (0) VayneAuthority: (1) Alakaslam CaucasianAsian: (1) Z-BosoN Oatsmaster: (0) jampidampi: (0) OriginalName: (6) austinmcc Chezinu raynpelikoneet Dandel Ion Xatalos FirmTofu Alakaslam: (1) geript TARGET: Dandel Ion is set to be obliterated! Obliteration will occur at: 21:59 GMT (+00:00) which arrives in Nukes can no longer be fired for this phase! | ||
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Chezinu: Abenson jampidampi gumshoe Onegu: MajuGarzett Dandel Ion: johnnywup WaveofShadow OriginalName Ace VayneAuthority strongandbig Meapak_Ziphh Stutters695 Nirvana.Gabo Nirvana.Gabo: Oatsmaster VayneAuthority: Alakaslam CaucasianAsian: Z-BosoN OriginalName: austinmcc Chezinu raynpelikoneet Dandel Ion Xatalos FirmTofu Alakaslam: (1) geript I am missing some of the votes as my computer crashed and posted this without colors. Can you see the trend? | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:49 TanGeng wrote: Also since WaveOfShadow protected MZ and MZ was fired on by unknown. If WaveOfShadow isn't scum then MZ isn't scum. It all depends on if NG flips or not. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:52 Xatalos wrote: My current guess would be that TanGeng is town and NG+ON are scum (reinforced by NG and ON disappearing and TanGeng still posting). +1, then we murder Maju, and idk, maybe Ace. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:56 geript wrote: Rayne gimme a quick read on tangeng I have no idea, could go either way. I'd lean more on dumb town than scum. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:58 austinmcc wrote: To the someone or someones who was asking if ON defended himself, he posted a response/defense thingy:+ Show Spoiler + This vote moving so frigging much. I actually like a DI lynch more than before because, despite showing back up to the thread for a moment, he posts basically nothing, notes he'd vote caucasianasian, says he wrote a post but lost it, gone permanently. Things swung away from him, there's lots of stuff ripe for discussion, and he disappeared. Yeah he answered to what.. 2 points out of all? | ||
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I'm only thinking what this has to do with WoS now. He's not said shit besides his redirect. | ||
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On July 09 2013 08:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Clearly MZ and I are both scum and I knew NG was town at the start which is why I claimed blue and redirected the nuke. Retarded suspicion is retarded. Why would you not redirect the nuke from your scumbuddy as town shot it? | ||
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I launched a nuke on Meapak. You were scummy as hell, came back in thread and implied you have a desire to use your power. Then you redirected the nuke from Meapak to NG. Now if you and Meapak are both scum and i am town, how does this not make sense from my point of view to call you both mafia? | ||
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On July 09 2013 08:51 austinmcc wrote: I'll look him over later in the night. I assume everyone will give the same answer here, that his posting looked townie but he hasn't been around lately and that lessens its townieness. I think people who find him town based solely on the fact that he was silently nuked are assuming things they can't assume. There may be third parties this game, therefore, it's entirely possible the silent nuke is a 3P thing (not telling on MZ's alignment) or it could be a mafia-nuke without him being town. I'M NOT GOING INTO THAT BECAUSE I AM SO TIRED OF ANTI-TOWN ELEMENTS AND ALL THAT JAZZ, but...he is getting town cred from some folks that we can't know yet whether he should receive. If that makes sense. Also, how you gon' go and ask a second question when you won't be specific about tofu. Shame. Are you even reading the thread? Also i don't care to discuss my townreads. Make a case and i might debunk it. | ||
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On July 09 2013 09:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wait rayn, after you nuked me you called me town. Also you called me town all the up until now when you started disliking WoS's retarget. Take your tinfoil hat off, you're making me wish I had died. Doesn't make sense bruh Also fuck you guys for not lynching dandel, he came back and did literally nothing and then peaced the fuck out. Absolutely disgraceful. At some point tonight I'm gonna do another big reads list because I fully expect to die tonight despite all the claimed blues -_- I am not calling you mafia for sure. I thought you were town because you made sense at some point (mostly). You however disappeared when the nuke got redirected. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ##Nuke: raynpelikoneet There so are you. I revenge nuked you. Is this a good enough reason? (Apparently it was for Chezinu) | ||
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Yo make a good list with playernames on it and red and green ok? You know what i mean. | ||
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On July 09 2013 09:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Because Chezinu is Chezinu and that's a valid reason for him. Maybe once you've played a few more games you'll get that. I'm not gonna say Chez is confirmed town but it's not worth killing him yet. Also, there is reasonable time between when Xata "nuked" chez to when chez retaliated. There is no such difference with your nuke. Unless you want to plead monumental stupidity that excuse won't work and you're sol. Why didn't you nuke chez? Because Chezinu is Chezinu. And yes, that's actually why. | ||
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On July 09 2013 19:55 Xatalos wrote: Maybe this is some elaborate ploy to lure out scum or something... That might be easier to understand than him really launching it as either scum or town.  ing ding*We have a winner. I'll explain everything tonight. People who come out incedibly townie from this: Oats, Xatalos, Alaskaslam, Meapak, WoS People who come out scummy: Austin, Ace People who i need to think about more: Jampidampi, Maju | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:15 Xatalos wrote: Btw rayn, how was austinmcc's reaction scummy? I'm not sure if I can see that. When i claimed the nuke he didn't say anything about it but talked about other stuff, i even asked him about it (indirectly). Think about it. You are scum and some townie claimed a nuke that your team in fact launced. WTF? What would you do? Because i would not know what to say when that person starts questioning me about that. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:38 Ace wrote: So what if you're under 0 pressure? We've seen scum make plays without pressure multiple times. That isn't a legit excuse. MZ was the one who went back and caught you in a lie. You somehow knew MZ was going to catch you ahead of time and set this all up with a fakeclaim of the nuke, to then say it was a gamble all this time? right. What was the lie MZ caught me in? | ||
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On July 09 2013 22:06 Ace wrote: @jampidampi: Ok I'm going to go with your assumption. Here's my new thought process. Rayne does not have nukes. Period. His fake ##nuke Xalatos confirms this. stuff happens, rayne claims he launched the nuke on MZ. If rayne is Town why would he claim this? Rayne must assume that the nuke came from Scum. Hence his read on MZ being Town. MZ later flips out when he notices this contradiction. rayne says he was setting up a gambit to catch scum here. If this is the way you see it, then I must ask - how would he know the nuke came from scum? You can't possibly be this stupid. If the nuke was from a townie they would have CC'd me. That was another reason fopr fakeclaiming the nuke. It's sure from scum now. | ||
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On July 09 2013 22:47 Ace wrote: If rayne is scum and the nuke was launched from his team, then the nuke came from Scum. It still does not make rayne Town. You claimed to nuke MZ out of revenge. MZ fake nuked you here: The nuke launched at MZ appears here: You were around and the nuke goes off 11 hours later. You couldn't have been nuking him in revenge. Why would a townie cc you on a nuke heading to MZ?? If they didn't fess up the first time you asked, then why would you think that would happen? If scum launched the nuke they can also CC you and still appear to be Town. That is the only requirement right? Your fallacy is exposed here. That's just nonsense. Even if we take it that the nuke came from scum, that does not mean YOU are not scum. So your thought process is that i made a backup plan for a plan that i did not have to pull off in the first place. How does that make sense? Like, if i had not claimed to fire that nuke there is no lie. When i claimed i created a lie, and then i made a back up plan for the lie i purposely and unnecessarily created myself as mafia. Do you see how scummy you sound. You messed up because you couldn't react accorignly to a situation where a townie claimed a nuke your team fired, and you are scum. I will explain this more in detail tonight. Now i gotta head back to work. | ||
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What i would not do is to create an unnecessary lie if i do not have to. And if i was scum and me or anyone in my team launched that nuke on MZ, i would not claim it, because IT DOESN'T HELP ME AT ALL! There is no reason to. | ||
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On July 09 2013 23:16 Ace wrote: Rayne, this is so simple it actually hurts. If you are Town, your plan is to claim it hours later even though you got caught lying. Ok. If someone counter claims you on the nuke - how would you be able to tell they are Town or Scum? You couldn't. You're hanging on to the idea that the nuke MUST have come from the scum team, which does not absolve you of blame. You are 100% sure of this information even though it does not help your claim at all. Also, assume I am Scum. You are town. My team fires a nuke. You claim the nuke. Why the hell would I care? If MZ is Town, and you are Town then why would I not just let MZ go at it with you? You are making more logical fallacies. Because you have to care about it as you would care about it if you were town. You are being very dumb now Ace. Again, this: If i had not claimed to fire that nuke there is no lie. When i claimed i created a lie, and then i made a back up plan for the lie i purposely and unnecessarily created myself as mafia. Explain, why am i scum based on the lie? | ||
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On July 09 2013 23:19 Ace wrote: I am using Occam's razor here. If rayne was Town and he fake claimed the nuke, how would he know the nuke was fired by Scum? If not being counter claimed = the nuke is from scum, then it doesn't explain how a counter-claim = the nuke was from Town. Scum could easily just CC here also if that will get them Town cred. rayne would not have known the difference. The fact that nobody claimed the nuke in the first place (when it was shot) means it's probably from mafia. Townies need to claim when they fire a nuke (barring some very special circumstances). There is no downside (if you are town) to let the thread know the nuke is coming from you, scum already know that the nuke is coming from a townie. That's why the nuke on MZ was from mafia. Now, if someone had cc'd me, that would have been at best an 1-1 trade for mafia. I get lynched, "geez, rayn had no nuke at all, he was telling the truth, this other guy is scum" because of what i said earlier. | ||
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This includes at least a copule of scumreads with reasoning. I will not die tonight, so if you happen to be a town doctor do not protect me. If i die that only tells everyone how wrong and scum Ace is. :D | ||
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This is the situation: N1 just started. We mislynched OriginalName. Chezinu launched a nuke on Xatalos, Oatsmaster defended that nuke. A silent nuke was launched towards Meapak. WoS redirected the nuke to NG. Chezinu has claimed his nuke was harmless. Before that Johnnywup claimed that he thinks he has a similar role to Chezinu and had to nuke. He nuked TanGeng. Everybody hit by a nuke died and flipped town. We are 3 townies down. Bad. This means everyone in town is pretty clueless or mafia has the control of the game. These are my thoughts (mainly on the silent nuke - which we know was harmful); Meapak is probably town and the silent nuker is mafia. A townie has no reason to not announce he nuked someone in thread, even if the nuke is silent. If they do not announce it, they are withholding information from the town, information that mafia already has (as they did not launch the nuke in that case). So the silent nuker is mafia, there is no other explanation. WoS is probably town for redirecting the nuke to a scummy guy (NG). As the nuke is from mafia, there is one thing that concerns me. What if Meapak & WoS are both mafia and they made a powerplay with a nuke to "confirm" them. I want to know if that's the case. This is my plan: I claim that i nuked Meapak to throw mafia off their game. Seriously, think about it. You are mafia and some townie claims a nuke you have launched. Would it throw you off? You need to comment on the matter somehow, as by reading my filter there is an obvious lie, just that you know EXACTLY where the lie is (in "i nuked MZ"). Mafia gets confused. As from townies however, i expect four sorts of behaviour: 1) Straight out calling me the stupidest player ever. 2) Analyzing the situation from mafia/town perspective and reach into a conclusion (why would i claim i nuked MZ as either alignment, especially as mafia). 3) Point out the obvious contradiction in my posts and question me about it. 4) Can't understand anything that's going on with me, question me or go back to 1) Who did (1): Meapak and WoS. This is perfectly understandable because they were involved in this particular business from the beginning. I can understand their thought process, insta "wtf is this, this is the stupidest idiot ever". Who did (2): Oats. Oats realized there is no way i would have claimed that nuke as mafia. It makes no sense. As mafia i would not benefit about it at all. Who did (3): Alaskaslam. He did ask the right question when he looked at the situation. This is the correct post to dig up: + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 10:34 Alakaslam wrote: Then you didn't claim it until now. So Lying and foolishly so, but I haven't had to play scum ever so idunno, I bet it gets hard. Seeing as I suck this bad at town, I would probably be a day1 red flip come a scum game. But wow I have never seen such a resounding call, well done Mepak_Ziph, you deserve our ears. That's spot on. Why did i not follow my own advice in claiming nukes? Who did (4): Afaik noone. Now about people who are scum and why: What i was looking was behaviour that does not fall into any category i described before. Think about this from mafia pov. You don't know what i am up to. I have obviously fakeclaimed to shot a nuke. I am asking you questions. What am i after? I obviously have some sort of a plan, what do you need to answer? Another behaviour is to straight up say "lol you can't possibly have launched that nuke". Austin: Look at pages 71 -> where i claim. What does Austin do? Avoids the whole claiming thing!! He is happy to ask me about anything else and happy to answer questions about anything else but no, he does not talk aboutthe obvious contradiction in my behaviour. I even try to prod him into discussing it by saying "Are you even reading the thread?", but no, he won't. The obvious answer is that he is uncomfortable talking about something he knows more than he should and he knows i know more than what's been said in thread. I can't find any reason why you would not try to figure out why someone is lying as town. Look at Austin now. NOW he's ready to talk about my motives. rofl. Ace: What Ace does after PC. Calls me scum. Why? Because "i was instrumental in turning the DI lynch around." Yeah, me and only me. Not Austin (who made a case) or any other guy like geript/Xatalos etc etc. But me, who has earlier said "Dandel is town and ON is mafia". Makes sense right? Ace does not account my lie, at all. FUCK I DIRECTED THE POST EARLIER TO HIM. The post where i say "Everyone who is town and nukes should claim their nuke instantly". Ace is not bringing this up, but he is bringing up OTHER stuff why i am scum. If he was town that would be an obvious point to bring up, as i have lied. But as Ace is scum he does not know what i am after, therefore he stays silent and let's someone else bring that up so he can add that to my scumminess-list later. And how does he do that. By saying "Meapak caught rayn in a lie and now he is trying to cover it up". rofl. I already talked about how ridiculous that is in thread. If i was scum there would be no lie, as there is absolutely zero reason to claim the nuke as scum!! Ace usually thinks these things true from every perspective, questions the other person about their motives and makes a decision. What about here? A half-arsed case that does not hold water at any point. Take a look at Ace's filter and you can see how he is just trying to find reasons why i am scum and not trying to figure out if i am scum or not. Ace is mafia. Jampidampi: Jampidampi was the first one to bring up that i fakeclaimed the nuke. His thought process seemed fine until he said "rayn can't have launched that nuke because he nuked Xatalos earlier and that nuke did not fly." Silent nuke is silent nuke and probably launched via PM's, that has nothing to do with ##nuke: commands in thread. That's where his thought process falls apart. I think he is too informed about the situation and is trying to make good posts aboutthe situation. Maju: He asks me a random question about launching a nuke on MZ, then goes back to WoS. Definitely not interested in what happened there. That are all people who stood out for me last night and this morning. If you want to look closer into this, look at people who did not want to talk about the claim at all, and why. | ||
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On July 10 2013 05:19 Xatalos wrote: I agree - except about jampidampi. 1) It's not scummy to make a simple mistake like that (what would be the scum motive for that?) 2) His posts about your claim seemed to make sense otherwise 3) I looked through his filter earlier today and didn't find him scummy in any way, so I find him relatively townish for reasons outside of this incident The one worrying thing about him is his excessive focus on your claim. It would indeed be an easy topic for scum to appear active and contributive (without actually scumhunting). Probably worth it to keep an eye on him, but definitely not to lynch him (at least at this point). This is what bothers me about Jampidampi. This post and analysis is good imo: On July 09 2013 20:45 jampidampi wrote: Was writing analysis about why Rayn could have possibly claimed the nuke, but since he has admitted that it was some sort of big play that he will explain later, I'm just going to stop right now and post what I had written spoilered below. If he doesn't explain, lynch him. + Show Spoiler + Possible scenarios in which rayn claims the nuke: 1) Rayn is town, actually lauched the nuke, and thinks WoS and Meapak are scum with WoS saving Meapak See my earlier why I think he didn't launch the nuke. 2) Rayn is town and claimed a nuke he didn't launch Some sort of trick to catch scum? For that to be true he must have though that scum launched the nuke. Because if he though town lauched it, he would just get counterclaimed and then be in a shitty situation. 3) Rayn is scum, launched the nuke and claimed it to put heat onto Meapak and WoS See my earlier why I think he didn't launch the nuke. 4) Rayn is scum and claimed a nuke his scumbuddy lauched to put heat onto Meapak and WoS Only possible if
5) Rayn is scum and claimed a nuke not lauched by his scumbuddy Rayn concludes that since nobody has claimed the nuke, someone must have a reason for not claiming it, be it that they are 3rd party or maybe that they have multiple nukes, and therefore would not counterclaim him. He claims it to put heat onto Meapak and WoS. 6) Rayn is 3rd party Since we don't a possible 3rd partys wincon, I won't speculate on this so much. If he is a 3rd party, the claim is most likely for survival, as not looking so townie makes scum less likely to shoot at you. Other than that, maybe his wincon is related to Meapak dying? It's just too much speculation to think of it this way. The only options that actually make sense are 2, 5 and 6. But then: On July 09 2013 21:58 jampidampi wrote: The first point is that if he had a nuke, that post would have lauched it. Forget about reasonings, look at Chez and johnny lauching their nukes. They type ##Nuke: [insert target here] and the nuke is lauched. If Rayn had a nuke, why wouldn't his post have lauched the nuke? Did you even read my post and think about it? If Rayn had a fucking nuke it would have been launched at Xata early D1! That is why couldn't have a nuke at Meapak! If this is really what Jampidampi think, wtf is the above post? It says nothing about Jampidampi thinking all nukes are launched bhy thread. There is a contradiction in his thought process which i would like him to explain. | ||
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You are pointing people to read those pages a lot. What is YOUR CONCLUSION OF THINGS HAPPENED THERE? This is the last thing you have said regarding it: How on earth is rayn not at the very least confirmed lying? What is his motive for all that? What do you think? Or do you need so assistance before you can say what do you think and if so, why? | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:38 Ace wrote: So what if you're under 0 pressure? We've seen scum make plays without pressure multiple times. That isn't a legit excuse. MZ was the one who went back and caught you in a lie. You somehow knew MZ was going to catch you ahead of time and set this all up with a fakeclaim of the nuke, to then say it was a gamble all this time? right. Once again and for the last time. See what Ace is saying here: When raynpelikoneet claimed he nuked Meapak, he created a lie under no pressure, knowing that he has said something else early in the game, because apparently MZ is going to catch him somehow (of something not explained - but which would not exist without the claim???), and then he made a back up plan for the lie he purposely and unnecessarily created himself as mafia. If someone can tell me how this is a town!thoughtprocess, i'm all ears. | ||
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On July 10 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Once again and for the last time. See what Ace is saying here: When raynpelikoneet claimed he nuked Meapak, he created a lie under no pressure, knowing that he has said something else early in the game, because apparently MZ is going to catch him somehow (of something not explained - but which would not exist without the claim???), and then he made a back up plan for the lie he purposely and unnecessarily created himself as mafia. If someone can tell me how this is a town!thoughtprocess, i'm all ears. That's the most retarded case i have ever heard and Ace does not make retarded cases as town (at least i have not seen them). This has nothing to do with misunderstandings or anything, this is plan out BAD and scummy. Last page of my filter was pretty much talking about this. I hope someone looked back on D2. :/ EDIT: And i didn't buy Austin's explanation to his actions because of my own confirmation bias. They did make sense after i read them again and again as i couldn't believe my eyes when he flipped town. ^^ | ||
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