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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 10 2013 17:58 GMT
#1961
Sorry, my post presumes you find Ace scummy because you say a strong case is being formed against him. If you don't find him scummy, np.
Fe fi fo fum.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 10 2013 18:01 GMT
#1962
Pretty sure I'm not going to get lynched anytime soon. But still doubt that nuke came from Scum as I'm at least a suspect. I can see a Townie doing it to speed up the lynches, or 3rd party who just wants to kill everyone. Maybe this is the same person that fired an anonymous nuke at MZ and this is why they haven't claimed. Claiming a nuke on me right now would have resulted in them being looked at as slightly Town in my eyes. They are hiding for a reason.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 10 2013 18:13 GMT
#1963
Yeah but I want to see how people's thoughts are moving and why.
Fe fi fo fum.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 10 2013 18:25 GMT
#1964
On July 11 2013 02:25 Koshi wrote:
@Chezinu It's funny how you actually spoilered your analysis in that post. Nice to see you prioritizing the most relevant part correctly.

PS: I totally fell for that Bank transition post where you could buy nukes. Pretty awesome post.


Do not fall! Stand!

The bank is not a lie. There are those who distribute nukes. If you would like to make a donation to the Chezinu Banking System, we can credit you with a currency of your choice. All radar transmitters, including sonar, can contact the bank through their role. If you are unable to do so, you can simply post in the thread, your requests.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 10 2013 19:34 GMT
#1965
LOL goodbye Ace. I agree that this nuke doesn't make sense from scum, but why would a townie not claim it either? I think the chances of it coming from 3P are 50-100%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%. 3P could have some weird win condition (or simply want to kill other players), so this nuke wouldn't be surprising in any way from 3P. Basically it's the best explanation with the least (if any) question marks (there was also some flavor of nuke-firing planar dragons in the rules so this could be it).

If someone has an anti-nuke/redirect available now, do NOT use it! Here are the main reasons:

1) at the end of D1 Ace focused on talking about policy (no-lynching if there was no single popular candidate - most anti-town policy so far) and asking questions unrelated to the lynch candidates, fluff, voted DI without any reasoning and overall didn't seem to care about the lynch in any meaningful way

2) rayn "admits" launching the nuke at Meapak (Ace should have, as a veteran town player, soon or at least later on understood that it wasn't a real claim) - but rather Ace starts flinging suspicion at him instantly, focusing on the DI -> ON switch mostly for some odd reason, although rayn was behind me and austin in influencing that, and Ace never admits what most (everyone?) else assumed - it was a plan to catch scum, not a scum plan to gain negative towncred - just can't believe town Ace would play like this

But now Ace is dead anyways, so no need to pursue that further.

##Unvote

austinmcc is posting a lot lately and making some sense. Leaning scum on him still, but there's a reasonable risk of too hastily lynching him and losing a strong endgame townie (he seems to be improving his posting with time and I agree with several of his later posts). I think it might be better to give him some more time. If he succeeds in redeeming himself after the abysmal D1 and suspicious reaction to rayn's claim, it'll have to be something truly epic and pro-town.

The case on DI (XigXag) is basically that he's been inactive, which points to his unmotivated scum meta. It's a good argument, although a bit lacking as the ONLY argument. I want to give XigXag a chance to redeem his predecessor first (not an easy job).

Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.

##Vote MajuGarzett
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 10 2013 19:38 GMT
#1966
Xatalos, what are your thoughts on the exchange between Oats and I, specifically the Oats end of things?
Fe fi fo fum.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 10 2013 19:46 GMT
#1967
On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote:
LOL goodbye Ace. I agree that this nuke doesn't make sense from scum, but why would a townie not claim it either? I think the chances of it coming from 3P are 50-100%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%. 3P could have some weird win condition (or simply want to kill other players), so this nuke wouldn't be surprising in any way from 3P. Basically it's the best explanation with the least (if any) question marks (there was also some flavor of nuke-firing planar dragons in the rules so this could be it).

If someone has an anti-nuke/redirect available now, do NOT use it! Here are the main reasons:

1) at the end of D1 Ace focused on talking about policy (no-lynching if there was no single popular candidate - most anti-town policy so far) and asking questions unrelated to the lynch candidates, fluff, voted DI without any reasoning and overall didn't seem to care about the lynch in any meaningful way

2) rayn "admits" launching the nuke at Meapak (Ace should have, as a veteran town player, soon or at least later on understood that it wasn't a real claim) - but rather Ace starts flinging suspicion at him instantly, focusing on the DI -> ON switch mostly for some odd reason, although rayn was behind me and austin in influencing that, and Ace never admits what most (everyone?) else assumed - it was a plan to catch scum, not a scum plan to gain negative towncred - just can't believe town Ace would play like this

But now Ace is dead anyways, so no need to pursue that further.

##Unvote

austinmcc is posting a lot lately and making some sense. Leaning scum on him still, but there's a reasonable risk of too hastily lynching him and losing a strong endgame townie (he seems to be improving his posting with time and I agree with several of his later posts). I think it might be better to give him some more time. If he succeeds in redeeming himself after the abysmal D1 and suspicious reaction to rayn's claim, it'll have to be something truly epic and pro-town.

The case on DI (XigXag) is basically that he's been inactive, which points to his unmotivated scum meta. It's a good argument, although a bit lacking as the ONLY argument. I want to give XigXag a chance to redeem his predecessor first (not an easy job).

Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.

##Vote MajuGarzett


You maths don't work...scum!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 10 2013 20:28 GMT
#1968
On July 11 2013 04:46 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote:
LOL goodbye Ace. I agree that this nuke doesn't make sense from scum, but why would a townie not claim it either? I think the chances of it coming from 3P are 50-100%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%. 3P could have some weird win condition (or simply want to kill other players), so this nuke wouldn't be surprising in any way from 3P. Basically it's the best explanation with the least (if any) question marks (there was also some flavor of nuke-firing planar dragons in the rules so this could be it).

If someone has an anti-nuke/redirect available now, do NOT use it! Here are the main reasons:

1) at the end of D1 Ace focused on talking about policy (no-lynching if there was no single popular candidate - most anti-town policy so far) and asking questions unrelated to the lynch candidates, fluff, voted DI without any reasoning and overall didn't seem to care about the lynch in any meaningful way

2) rayn "admits" launching the nuke at Meapak (Ace should have, as a veteran town player, soon or at least later on understood that it wasn't a real claim) - but rather Ace starts flinging suspicion at him instantly, focusing on the DI -> ON switch mostly for some odd reason, although rayn was behind me and austin in influencing that, and Ace never admits what most (everyone?) else assumed - it was a plan to catch scum, not a scum plan to gain negative towncred - just can't believe town Ace would play like this

But now Ace is dead anyways, so no need to pursue that further.

##Unvote

austinmcc is posting a lot lately and making some sense. Leaning scum on him still, but there's a reasonable risk of too hastily lynching him and losing a strong endgame townie (he seems to be improving his posting with time and I agree with several of his later posts). I think it might be better to give him some more time. If he succeeds in redeeming himself after the abysmal D1 and suspicious reaction to rayn's claim, it'll have to be something truly epic and pro-town.

The case on DI (XigXag) is basically that he's been inactive, which points to his unmotivated scum meta. It's a good argument, although a bit lacking as the ONLY argument. I want to give XigXag a chance to redeem his predecessor first (not an easy job).

Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.

##Vote MajuGarzett


You maths don't work...scum!


Your evil British English spelling tells me you are sophisticated, and thus the worst kind of scum there is!
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MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 10 2013 20:41 GMT
#1969
On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote:

Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.

##Vote MajuGarzett

While not all my posts have reads in them, I don't think its fair to call them fluff. At the very least I was trying to gain more information with which to make decisions by pressuring other players. On the reaction to Rayn, I was in the thread and expressed interest, then I left and by the time I was back all the talk about Rayn's motives had happened and after reading it I wasn't suspicious of him.

On July 11 2013 01:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh and maju I am pretty sure is scum after reading his filter, doesn't form any original reads, doesn't give reasons for why people are town, scummy response to the rayn thing etc. it's pretty bad. Of the 4 people rayn set out this is the only one I feel comfortable sheeping.

Dandel or maju today for me, gonna start a wagon on maju and see what happens

##vote: majugarzett

VA says I never formed new reads but I think I was one of the first to talk about being suspicious of VA. I know I was suspicious of him before Firm Tofu brought it up. I also think my points against Onegu were novel. I would like clarification on how I was scummy on the Rayn thing unless its for the same reasdons that Xata stated.


I'm willing to give DI's replacement some time. As there were others who suspected VA and none on Onegu

##Vote: VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 10 2013 20:52 GMT
#1970
The difference between us being that I welcome death while you only fear it
I come in for the scraps
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 10 2013 22:03 GMT
#1971
On July 11 2013 04:38 austinmcc wrote:
Xatalos, what are your thoughts on the exchange between Oats and I, specifically the Oats end of things?


Hmm. I have a hard time accepting that Oatsmaster would be scum (saved me unnecessarily D1) and you town (with you doing nothing D1, then launching the lynch on ON and immediately starting to back off from it, then almost completely ignoring rayn's fakeclaim... yeah, the list goes on).

With that said, that exchange looked like you were figuring out stuff while Oatsmaster was just... being pretty defensive and posting one-liners (and his stance on DI felt a bit confusing). If I had to look at just that single exchange, without looking at anything else, I'd say that you were town and Oatsmaster scum. Maybe town&town, that's possible. Probably not scum&scum though, unless it was some carefully crafted strategy to put distance between two scum (unlikely).

But with THAT said, I don't have to look at just that single exchange, and maybe Oatsmaster had a bad day and you were putting in a lot of effort to look town. I find it especially hard to believe that scum Oatsmaster would use his anti-nuke to save me D1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 10 2013 22:04 GMT
#1972
On July 11 2013 04:46 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote:
LOL goodbye Ace. I agree that this nuke doesn't make sense from scum, but why would a townie not claim it either? I think the chances of it coming from 3P are 50-100%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%. 3P could have some weird win condition (or simply want to kill other players), so this nuke wouldn't be surprising in any way from 3P. Basically it's the best explanation with the least (if any) question marks (there was also some flavor of nuke-firing planar dragons in the rules so this could be it).

If someone has an anti-nuke/redirect available now, do NOT use it! Here are the main reasons:

1) at the end of D1 Ace focused on talking about policy (no-lynching if there was no single popular candidate - most anti-town policy so far) and asking questions unrelated to the lynch candidates, fluff, voted DI without any reasoning and overall didn't seem to care about the lynch in any meaningful way

2) rayn "admits" launching the nuke at Meapak (Ace should have, as a veteran town player, soon or at least later on understood that it wasn't a real claim) - but rather Ace starts flinging suspicion at him instantly, focusing on the DI -> ON switch mostly for some odd reason, although rayn was behind me and austin in influencing that, and Ace never admits what most (everyone?) else assumed - it was a plan to catch scum, not a scum plan to gain negative towncred - just can't believe town Ace would play like this

But now Ace is dead anyways, so no need to pursue that further.

##Unvote

austinmcc is posting a lot lately and making some sense. Leaning scum on him still, but there's a reasonable risk of too hastily lynching him and losing a strong endgame townie (he seems to be improving his posting with time and I agree with several of his later posts). I think it might be better to give him some more time. If he succeeds in redeeming himself after the abysmal D1 and suspicious reaction to rayn's claim, it'll have to be something truly epic and pro-town.

The case on DI (XigXag) is basically that he's been inactive, which points to his unmotivated scum meta. It's a good argument, although a bit lacking as the ONLY argument. I want to give XigXag a chance to redeem his predecessor first (not an easy job).

Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.

##Vote MajuGarzett


You maths don't work...scum!


Enlighten me with your math skills.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 10 2013 22:14 GMT
#1973
On July 11 2013 05:41 MajuGarzett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote:

Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.

##Vote MajuGarzett

While not all my posts have reads in them, I don't think its fair to call them fluff. At the very least I was trying to gain more information with which to make decisions by pressuring other players. On the reaction to Rayn, I was in the thread and expressed interest, then I left and by the time I was back all the talk about Rayn's motives had happened and after reading it I wasn't suspicious of him.

Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 01:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh and maju I am pretty sure is scum after reading his filter, doesn't form any original reads, doesn't give reasons for why people are town, scummy response to the rayn thing etc. it's pretty bad. Of the 4 people rayn set out this is the only one I feel comfortable sheeping.

Dandel or maju today for me, gonna start a wagon on maju and see what happens

##vote: majugarzett

VA says I never formed new reads but I think I was one of the first to talk about being suspicious of VA. I know I was suspicious of him before Firm Tofu brought it up. I also think my points against Onegu were novel. I would like clarification on how I was scummy on the Rayn thing unless its for the same reasdons that Xata stated.


I'm willing to give DI's replacement some time. As there were others who suspected VA and none on Onegu

##Vote: VayneAuthority


VA isn't looking too good either, and I'm pretty sure you two aren't scum together, so it might be best to lynch one of you two today (another's red flip would somewhat clear the remaining one). Currently leaning on you, but you can try to convince me otherwise.

Maybe you were genuinely AFK after making that brief comment on rayn's claim, maybe you weren't. It looks pretty weird to have ONE sentence on the whole big issue (that didn't even express your opinion in any direction... why?). My gut feeling tells me that you, as scum, could have been confused by the claim (since it was launched by your team) and avoided the whole weird situation by commenting briefly (and vaguely) and leaving until it was resolved. That at least feels like the most natural explanation.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 10 2013 22:18 GMT
#1974
On July 11 2013 07:03 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 04:38 austinmcc wrote:
Xatalos, what are your thoughts on the exchange between Oats and I, specifically the Oats end of things?


Hmm. I have a hard time accepting that Oatsmaster would be scum (saved me unnecessarily D1) and you town (with you doing nothing D1, then launching the lynch on ON and immediately starting to back off from it, then almost completely ignoring rayn's fakeclaim... yeah, the list goes on).

With that said, that exchange looked like you were figuring out stuff while Oatsmaster was just... being pretty defensive and posting one-liners (and his stance on DI felt a bit confusing). If I had to look at just that single exchange, without looking at anything else, I'd say that you were town and Oatsmaster scum. Maybe town&town, that's possible. Probably not scum&scum though, unless it was some carefully crafted strategy to put distance between two scum (unlikely).

But with THAT said, I don't have to look at just that single exchange, and maybe Oatsmaster had a bad day and you were putting in a lot of effort to look town. I find it especially hard to believe that scum Oatsmaster would use his anti-nuke to save me D1.
I will mostly agree with this if I didn't have my role PM. Some thoughts:
  • Read Oats's filter and take out the defense. He's got pages, way more than I remembered, yet most of it is one-off comments on something that happened or asking someone for their reads. The filter reads like involvement w/o any sort of pushing the game forward himself
  • His defense on you is pretty much the towniest thing in there. However, unless he just did it for fun, it had to be activated in thread. scumOats would have a hard time using that on a scumbuddy because - (1) if the scumbuddy is being nuked because of consensus scumread, Oats can't really go YOLO SAVE THAT DUDE and (2) if he or his defense target ever flip scum, the other guy is heavily implicated. IMO, he doesn't give up much by defending a townie, he stops one KP but gives himself carte blanche for a bit.
  • Sweet Jesus maybe he's just having a bad day, but he can admit that. You find me scummy for some of my play, but I don't think I'm your tip-top scumread. Oats walks in and I'm his #1 scumread, he doesn't seem to have read thread, and he doesn't seem to BE reading thread as we talk (MZ can shut down nuke factories, therefore scum probably have nuke factories; he doesn't seem to remember why I was scummy on FirmTofu at one point, even though he AGREED with my read at that point)


Another way to look at it is...you're mafia and you have a one-shot save from a nuke, but you have to post in thread to activate it. Do you use it on a buddy or on town?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 10 2013 22:25 GMT
#1975
The one think I hate about my scumreads right now is some are almost certainly wrong. If I think jampidampi, oats, VA, and DI are all scummy (FirmTofu off the list for now, chalking those posts up as just being weird)...then I have two problems:

(1) Assuming somewhat normal balance, I'd expect a more veteran-y player in the mix. Game with MZ, Ace, snb, Chez, ghost, all around a good while and MZ/Ace/Chez for a very long while, yet none of them on the scumteam?

(2) I end up just looking at people that are somewhat active. So many hard lurkers that we probably have scum in the group and just don't know where.

Perhaps larger scumteam, some of those reads surely off, and there's the possibility of 3P(s). This lynch is gonna suck if DI is actually 3P and not scum, could be one reason everyone willing to jump on him - he's not playing town game but mafia not even caring about bussing, they just know he's not with them.
Fe fi fo fum.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 10 2013 22:28 GMT
#1976
On July 11 2013 07:25 austinmcc wrote:
The one think I hate about my scumreads right now is some are almost certainly wrong. If I think jampidampi, oats, VA, and DI are all scummy (FirmTofu off the list for now, chalking those posts up as just being weird)...then I have two problems:

(1) Assuming somewhat normal balance, I'd expect a more veteran-y player in the mix. Game with MZ, Ace, snb, Chez, ghost, all around a good while and MZ/Ace/Chez for a very long while, yet none of them on the scumteam?

(2) I end up just looking at people that are somewhat active. So many hard lurkers that we probably have scum in the group and just don't know where.

Perhaps larger scumteam, some of those reads surely off, and there's the possibility of 3P(s). This lynch is gonna suck if DI is actually 3P and not scum, could be one reason everyone willing to jump on him - he's not playing town game but mafia not even caring about bussing, they just know he's not with them.


But then why did everyone jump off of him? A few mafia could've stayed on Dandel to build street cred if and when OriginalName flipped town. Unless I'm mistaken, virtually everyone switched to ON.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 10 2013 22:31 GMT
#1977
On July 11 2013 07:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 07:25 austinmcc wrote:
The one think I hate about my scumreads right now is some are almost certainly wrong. If I think jampidampi, oats, VA, and DI are all scummy (FirmTofu off the list for now, chalking those posts up as just being weird)...then I have two problems:

(1) Assuming somewhat normal balance, I'd expect a more veteran-y player in the mix. Game with MZ, Ace, snb, Chez, ghost, all around a good while and MZ/Ace/Chez for a very long while, yet none of them on the scumteam?

(2) I end up just looking at people that are somewhat active. So many hard lurkers that we probably have scum in the group and just don't know where.

Perhaps larger scumteam, some of those reads surely off, and there's the possibility of 3P(s). This lynch is gonna suck if DI is actually 3P and not scum, could be one reason everyone willing to jump on him - he's not playing town game but mafia not even caring about bussing, they just know he's not with them.


But then why did everyone jump off of him? A few mafia could've stayed on Dandel to build street cred if and when OriginalName flipped town. Unless I'm mistaken, virtually everyone switched to ON.
ON was lynched with 11 votes, DI had 8. Within the last 20 minutes, at least 3 voters (too lazy to click back a page) hopped on ON, and only one of them hopped off DI.

So at 20 to deadline, it was 9-8 for DI, and then at deadline only 11-8 for ON. Still a heavy vote on him. Some votes didn't move due to people not being around it looks like, but only 2 people ever budged off DI. And one of em ended up on VA, not on either real target.

On July 09 2013 07:00 s0Lstice wrote:
TARGET LOCKED IN. FINAL COUNT.

geript (0): raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion

johnnywup (0): VayneAuthority, Xatalos, WaveofShadow, TanGeng, Abenson, OriginalName

Chezinu (2): raynepelikoneet, Onegu, Ace, TanGeng, Abenson, Xatalos,
raynpelikoneet, jampidampi, gumshoe

WaveofShadow (0): geript, johnnywup

Onegu (1): Nirvana.Gabo, MajuGarzett

austinmcc (0): Xatalos

raynepelikoneet (0): Alakaslam

Z-BosoN (0): Chezinu

Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo

Nirvana.Gabo (1): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, jampidampi

ghost_403 (0): Alakaslam, Chezinu

VayneAuthority (2): FirmTofu, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, FirmTofu, Chezinu

CaucasianAsian (1): geript, Z-BosoN

Oatsmaster (0): Chezinu

jampidampi (0): Chezinu

OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu

Alakaslam (0): geript


TARGET: OriginalName has been obliterated!
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 10 2013 22:32 GMT
#1978
Ugh. That looks so weird. Only 2 people ever moving off of DI, so the rush of votes onto ON came almost entirely from non-DI-voters.
Fe fi fo fum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 10 2013 22:35 GMT
#1979
Hey guys I'm headin back home. Going be doin' some scumhuntin' soon. Can't wait!!!
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#1980
Xatalos you're kinda hasty with the judgement. You shot that nuke didn't you?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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