Moreover, some of his posts read just...very open and honest to me. I don't see them coming from mafia.

For one, he really...stays on target. D1 he talks about JW some, Chez a good bit, xatalos a small amount, and Alakaslam. He follows Alakaslam throughout the game so far, interacting with him. At no point does he like...hop off to talk about DI, about ON, other stuff. From what he said he and Alakaslam have played before, so it appears to me that he's focused on trying to figure out what he knows/has seen before - Alakaslam's alignment.

I don't see scum being so limited in scope, or following the same couple trains of thought throughout the thread. Too many opportunities to jump over, talk about DI, talk about ON, talk about VA/FirmTofu/me/Oats/anyone else who's been under any suspicion.

So his role, the way his posts read and his interest in things reads, and this. This is not a mafia post, no way no how.

On July 08 2013 03:43 Onegu wrote:

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Me too

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 11 2013 00:54 GMT

#2003

On July 11 2013 09:30 austinmcc wrote:

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Maaaaan, how come your reads aren't my read. I don't like xatalos for mafia, and I don't really think Onegu is scum, based on the roles that make sense for him to be kind of sort of dancing around having.

Well I want Stutters to chime in on this too. I'm not calling Onegu scum, he was one of the guys I pointed out on the wagon earlier and I went through his filter. Lets see what Stutters comes up with.

also he is a notorious lurker. better give him as much stuff to contribute while he is around.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

July 11 2013 00:55 GMT

#2004

Where "jump over, talk about" for a lot of those names = call them scum/agree with cases on them/whatever. He's involved in a small amount of stuff, entirely uninvolved in others, and that actually reads very townie to me, because he's passing up latching onto calling a lot of people scummy for perfectly legitimate reasons.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

July 11 2013 00:57 GMT

#2005

On July 11 2013 09:54 Ace wrote:

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If a townie nuked you I hope they read this post and feel bad.

geript

10024 Posts

July 11 2013 00:59 GMT

#2006

On July 11 2013 07:52 Xatalos wrote:

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On July 11 2013 07:18 austinmcc wrote:

On July 11 2013 07:03 Xatalos wrote:

On July 11 2013 04:38 austinmcc wrote:
Xatalos, what are your thoughts on the exchange between Oats and I, specifically the Oats end of things?

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Ok so anyone who reads this needs to go ahead and answer me back in a nested quote. I'm reading through the thread and figured that since scum tend to not go through nested quotes because they don't need to read that much, then it will be a really easy way for us to talk in the open without encrypting but in such a way that it's reasonably hidden. Just because someone catches on to this, don't assume their town, but they're more likely to be town then.

Hmm. I have a hard time accepting that Oatsmaster would be scum (saved me unnecessarily D1) and you town (with you doing nothing D1, then launching the lynch on ON and immediately starting to back off from it, then almost completely ignoring rayn's fakeclaim... yeah, the list goes on).

With that said, that exchange looked like you were figuring out stuff while Oatsmaster was just... being pretty defensive and posting one-liners (and his stance on DI felt a bit confusing). If I had to look at just that single exchange, without looking at anything else, I'd say that you were town and Oatsmaster scum. Maybe town&town, that's possible. Probably not scum&scum though, unless it was some carefully crafted strategy to put distance between two scum (unlikely).

But with THAT said, I don't have to look at just that single exchange, and maybe Oatsmaster had a bad day and you were putting in a lot of effort to look town. I find it especially hard to believe that scum Oatsmaster would use his anti-nuke to save me D1.

I will mostly agree with this if I didn't have my role PM. Some thoughts:

Read Oats's filter and take out the defense. He's got pages, way more than I remembered, yet most of it is one-off comments on something that happened or asking someone for their reads. The filter reads like involvement w/o any sort of pushing the game forward himself
His defense on you is pretty much the towniest thing in there. However, unless he just did it for fun, it had to be activated in thread. scumOats would have a hard time using that on a scumbuddy because - (1) if the scumbuddy is being nuked because of consensus scumread, Oats can't really go YOLO SAVE THAT DUDE and (2) if he or his defense target ever flip scum, the other guy is heavily implicated. IMO, he doesn't give up much by defending a townie, he stops one KP but gives himself carte blanche for a bit.
Sweet Jesus maybe he's just having a bad day, but he can admit that. You find me scummy for some of my play, but I don't think I'm your tip-top scumread. Oats walks in and I'm his #1 scumread, he doesn't seem to have read thread, and he doesn't seem to BE reading thread as we talk (MZ can shut down nuke factories, therefore scum probably have nuke factories; he doesn't seem to remember why I was scummy on FirmTofu at one point, even though he AGREED with my read at that point)

Another way to look at it is...you're mafia and you have a one-shot save from a nuke, but you have to post in thread to activate it. Do you use it on a buddy or on town?

Now that I think about it, if I was scum and in Oatsmaster's situation, I would very possibly use it on a townie to gain easy towncred. Of course if there was an active and somewhat townish scum player, that might be an OK target as well... Although it might backfire heavily if one of you two flipped at any point. Yeah, it's definitely safer to use it on townie. Especially if there is nobody even semi-townish in the scumteam, it would basically be suicide to save any of your scumbuddies, and saving even just a *semi*-townish player would cast doubt on you.

Who cares. If Oats is town, then we shouldn't consider him town only and solely for nixing a nuke. If Oats is scum, he'll be scummy for reasons other than nixing a nuke on a possible teammate. This is wasted bull.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 11 2013 00:59 GMT

#2007

well it is the way it is. I'm also going to probably nuke someone before I die since I got a PM stating I received a nuke. Right now I want to target one of the lurkers. In the event you or Xalatos (if he is town) go down this will become a lurkfest.

geript

10024 Posts

July 11 2013 01:01 GMT

#2008

@Ace how do you feel about Alakaslam?

geript

10024 Posts

July 11 2013 01:02 GMT

#2009

nm, you'd probably just say he's too cheery to be scum

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 11 2013 01:04 GMT

#2010

he's pretty much Chezinu jr. If you can understand him good luck. I dont have a strong town read on him but I can't recall him doing anything that pops out to me as negative.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

July 11 2013 01:04 GMT

#2011

I work a lot sorry guys

Anyway gonna go analyze onegu. Hold tight.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

July 11 2013 01:06 GMT

#2012

On July 11 2013 09:41 geript wrote:

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No. You choosing to not do shit is dumb. Here, I'm giving you 3 nukes. You must fire them today. Who you firing at and why?

Not choosing. Not having time. I literally have no idea who I'd nuke yet.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

July 11 2013 01:06 GMT

#2013

yoloing it up
guys i lied.
##defend: Ace
I actually have 2 shot missile defence.
I dont want to get rid of an active player in a mostly inactive game.

Austin is probably town now actually.
Where the fuck did jampi go? And dandels replacement. WHAT IS THIS GAME COMING TO

geript

10024 Posts

July 11 2013 01:08 GMT

#2014

@Ace... Do you trust me?

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 11 2013 01:13 GMT

#2015

lol wow a gift from Oats! - if it works.

@geript: um...trust you to do what? I trust no one.

geript

10024 Posts

July 11 2013 01:16 GMT

#2016

Nuke oats

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

July 11 2013 01:17 GMT

#2017

Maaaaan. I was just in the shower and wanted to force you to type that out and see if it worked.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

July 11 2013 01:18 GMT

#2018

afk gonna keep showering for 16 hours or so and see if I get good ideas

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 11 2013 01:23 GMT

#2019

If he really stops a nuke heading my way why would I nuke him? Explain your entire thought process. If he is scum, that means he's stopped nukes heading towards me and MZ and both of us are Town. That is a wild dumb trade for Town cred.