EPTA) Will you apologize for playing that race... no, calling me a liar?
B) Who are you planning to nuke? Would you follow my opinion?
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A) Will you apologize for playing that race... no, calling me a liar? B) Who are you planning to nuke? Would you follow my opinion? | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:50 Xatalos wrote: Seriously though, Ace. A) Will you apologize for playing that race... no, calling me a liar? B) Who are you planning to nuke? Would you follow my opinion? Ah you can't even nuke anymore today. Why did you claim then, if you weren't going to nuke? | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:54 Xatalos wrote: Ah you can't even nuke anymore today. Why did you claim then, if you weren't going to nuke? Nevermind, I should read more before I post. Of course you weren't yet saved when you claimed. | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:54 FirmTofu wrote: Not sure how the roles are distributed on TL, but isn't this rather unlikely? Why would some town blues be strictly better than others? If I am wrong in this assumption, then don't bother telling me. I don't understand why you don't want to say one way or another, though. Maybe to hide that info from scum...? Maybe? | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:57 Ace wrote: I thought you lied, ok sorry. I was going to nuke one of the lurkers so we dont have to deal with them going into late game. Also I don't see why I wouldn't claim. Someone gave me a nuke in the middle of the day. We never knew that capability existed before that. Thanks. But if you're town, now you're gonna be killed..... Since you have a day-KP. And you never got to use it. | ||
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Isn't it the first 36 hours of any dayphase? Or that + night? If so, then good. Btw are you planning to save jampidampi and for what reason? Everyone agreed to it (although apparently MajuGarzett himself preferred VA). Then jampidampi proceeded to ragequit - or actually he came back (unlike XigXag) but just defended some accusations and complained (although there was one okayish post on MajuGarzett). Is that really enough to use your anti-nuke considering what little jampidampi has done all game (almost only the rayn claim analysis)? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:15 FirmTofu wrote: I am now going to address the wagon on Maju. I'm not really convinced either way(I have a null read on Maju) and I think Ace would be a much better lynch target. There is a part of my interaction with Maju that pushes me towards a town read that I would like to mention. Maju said he wanted to lynch Vayne, but I specifically forced him to consider switching his best scumread in order to test his alignment. If jampidampi is scum, as I suspect he is, scum Maju would be unwilling to switch his read no matter what. He could have just as easily nuked Vayne or one of the lurkers and no one would have cared. If jampidampi is town, then you would have to subscribe to the view that Vayne is also town in order to hold the belief that Maju is scum. Why would scum Maju recommend that Vayne should be nuked if they were on the same scumteam? Because I think at least one of Vayne and jampidampi is scum, I cannot endorse the Maju lynch. Hm. On the other hand, town MajuGarzett would want to nuke his own scumread (VA), not your scumread (jampidampi). | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:23 Onegu wrote: Did you just claim? Oh and I am re reading the thread now on page 81, but also checking in to refresh the page and see new content. 4 Immune Ones already............ Can this be real? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:26 FirmTofu wrote: Town MajuGarzett could do either, I think. An unconfident Town Maju would rely on other people's reads because he doesn't trust himself to be good enough at the game. He might also think that if he listens to others, people might back off the lynch on him. A confident Town Maju would go with the VA lynch. I just don't see any reason to believe that Maju is an experienced, confident player. I guess it goes like this (MG and VA likely not scum together - MG and jampidampi likely not scum together): Option 1 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 2 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 3 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 4 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like A) if we lynch MajuGarzett, we should save jampidampi B) if we lynch VayneAuthority, it's arguable if we should save jampidampi or not I'd really like some input on this since I have conflicting feelings on which of these options is correct. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:45 FirmTofu wrote: Saving jampi should be independent of the decision to lynch. Supposing we lynch Maju, letting jampi die gives us insurance against option 3 & 4. Also, with SnB's claim, I don't really see how you can still endorse the lynch on Maju. Yeah I guess that's true. I'm pretty sure 1-2 of these 3 are scum, definitely not all 3 though, so it's the safest move to kill 2 of them and very likely get at least 1 scum. That, in turn, would greatly benefit finding the remaining scum. With that in mind - not very sensible to save jampidampi. You mean that strongandbig's claim makes jampidampi more likely scum and thus MajuGarzett more likely town? | ||
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Let's see the situation again: Option 1 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 2 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 3 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 4 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi If we kill MajuGarzett and jampidampi, VayneAuthority is still somewhat likely a question mark after the flips. If MajuGarzett flips green and jampidampi flips red, it's pretty hard to say if VayneAuthority is town or scum. I think both of them flipping green is pretty unlikely, so likely only if MajuGarzett flips red and jampidampi flips green do we know that VayneAuthority is likely town. There's an easy solution to this however. If we lynch VayneAuthority and let the nuke on jampidampi land, we will almost certainly know MajuGarzett's alignment. If there are 1-2 scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi, MajuGarzett is most likely town. If there are no scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi, MajuGarzett is most likely scum. Then Ace (or someone else) can just nuke the crap out of him after the daypost. I'm starting to get pretty confident that there is at least one scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi though. Especially jampidampi is looking suspicious with randomly claiming the already-revealed Immune One role PM after he was nuked. There are tons of that particular role around, it seems, and jampidampi is the most scummy of these claims (-> the most likely one to have fakeclaimed - or just be a scum Immune One). So basically: 1) There's most likely at least 1 scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi. 2) If that's the case, then MajuGarzett is most likely town. 3) Even if both VayneAuthority and jampidampi are town (unlikely), we can just nuke MajuGarzett since he's most likely scum in that case. 4) If we lynch MajuGarzett instead of VayneAuthority, we will likely have no idea about VayneAuthority's alignment after the flips and worse still, we have a higher risk of mislynching. With that said: ##Unvote ##Vote VayneAuthority | ||
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On July 12 2013 03:47 geript wrote: Here's the logical flaw. No way that nuke is landing on Jampi. How come? | ||
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On July 12 2013 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=92#1827 So you're claiming to be Kenpachi I take it? | ||
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On July 12 2013 03:58 geript wrote: Because I'm going to shoot it down. Here's the full situation with Jampi: 1. He's town and the nuke lands. Yay he's town!!! However, we have an infinite vig or something akin to it, but it's in the hands of a lurky bad player. That's bad news bears. 2. He's town and I shoot the nuke down. Yay he's town!!! But we don't have to deal with him gaining powers. 3. He's scum and the nuke lands. YAY he fake claimed and got shot in the face!!!! 4. He's scum and the nuke lands but makes him awesome. BOOOOH we've just superpowered scum. 5. He's scum and the gets shot down. We don't know he's scum, but he's easily lynchable and don't superpower him. Of the situations where the nuke lands, only 1 is good for us and I don't think Jampi was fake claiming. Of the situations where the nuke doesn't land, all of them are better for us. Pretty simple really. And yes, I'm assuming all nukes are radiation nukes. As a matter of fact: ##defend jampidampi Let's get a lynch contest going. WHAT THE FUCK GERIPT!!!!??? ARTANIS CLEARLY SAID THAT THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF NUKES THAN RADIATION NUKES AND THAT A PLAIN NUKE IS NOT A RADIATION NUKE!!! I EVEN SAID IT CLEARLY IN THE THREAD......................... WHY IN THE NAME OF ANYTHING WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT??? | ||
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Artanis: Yes 2) Is a plain "nuke" the same as a "Radiation nuke"? Artanis: No I even clearly tell of this fact on the thread for everyone to see: On July 09 2013 00:30 Xatalos wrote: Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster. WHY THE HECK DID YOU DEFEND WITHOUT CONSULTING ME FIRST GERIPT????? ARE YOU SCUM AFTER ALL????? | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:11 geript wrote: Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision. It's not popular (for a good reason) and it's not right either. Your entire reasoning for saving jampidampi is based on a false assumption that I would have noticed in less than a second. You should have as well - if you read the game rules or especially my post clarifying that your basic assumption is completely wrong. 1) You just saved a likely scum 2) The only possible situation where town would benefit from this is if A) jampidampi is town - unlikely, and even then he'll remain a suspect lurker and probably tomorrow's lynch B) his claim is true (not all that likely) AND the nuke is a Radiation nuke (quite unlikely) - even then we could have confirmed if it was fakeclaim or not and could have forced him to kill a certain player (if he didn't do that, scum) 3) The ways in how town suffers from this: A) we probably lose a kill into the scumteam B) we lose a great chance to determine all the alignments in this group (MG, VA, jampidampi) in one go C) we lose a chance to possibly confirm jampidampi's claim and force him to kill a player of our choosing D) we get to keep a scummy lurker alive to distract us tomorrow Yeah, do you still agree what you caused? | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:30 Ace wrote: How is it likely that jamp is scum? Explain this. 1) No contributions outside of an analysis of rayn's claim (very easy and enticing for scum to do something like that, no scumhunting involved) 2) "fuck you all I'm leaving" reaction to being nuked instead of starting to help even more now that your flip is soon revealed - completely scum-motivated (mind you, he did return for a bit, but didn't do scumhunting and basically only made one contentful comment on MajuGarzett) 3) claimed a role that is apparently on 4 (!) players already at this point after being nuked - very very likely a scum amongst all these claims and jampidampi is clearly among the scummiest (competing with strongandbig) 4) unlikely scum with MajuGarzett and him flipping red would somewhat clear MajuGarzett (an otherwise big suspect), thus justifying even more lynching jampidampi (making it easier to find the remaining scum) | ||
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