Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII - Page 37

On June 26 2013 16:08 FirmTofu wrote:
Alakaslam, I don't know why Onegu helped you. Is it even relevant? It was before anything that was relevant to my case even occurred. It seems like you are just bringing that up as an excuse to avoid having to vote for Onegu.


Bullying? I don't see how this is bullying at all. I'm giving him a choice that he can choose to accept or not and I letting him know the consequences of his decision.

At this point, Alakslam is looking for reasons to cast doubt on my case, which is just more fodder for the case against him. He will go down with the ship unless mafia cuts their losses and votes for you, Onegu.

On June 26 2013 16:23 FirmTofu wrote:

I beg to differ. Spicy was defending against my accusation that fyfy and Spicy were both mafia. Thus, "defending" fyfy was just an issue of self-preservation. If people think fyfy is town, people think he is town, therefore his obvious self-preservationist instinct would lead him to defend fyfy.

This is neither a scum-tell nor a town-tell.

On June 26 2013 16:25 Aquanim wrote:

Could you explain to me how defending a townie is a "supertown" move? I see it as a pretty good way for a scum to be seen sincerely arguing something (because they know they're right about a townread), while not actually contributing to finding scum.
A quick glance over Spicy's posts indicates to me that all he's saying is "fyfy isn't the scummiest person in the thread" which is a long way from a committment to fyfy being town (which could be inconvenient for scum later).
Townies can defend other townies, but scum can do it too IMO.

On June 26 2013 16:29 FirmTofu wrote:

Okay.

Onegu is using an easy tactic I like to call, "Say FirmTofu is distracting the thread and posting hypocritical posts and hopefully no one will lynch me" Notice how he isn't actually making a case against me even though he's saying I'm doing scummy things.

This is because he knows I am town, he knows he is scum, and he knows town will never bandwagon me. His best bet to stay alive is to discredit me and hope no one listens to me.

Also, Onegu isn't being pro-town by calling me scummy. He's being anti-town. Almost all of town agrees that I have been one of the most pro-town players this entire game.

Of course, all of what I just wrote is probably useless because if you are scum, as I suspect you are, you won't listen to anything I say. I hope you prove me wrong.

On June 26 2013 16:40 FirmTofu wrote:

First you say he was helping you and now you say he's shitting on you and that helped town. I'm really confused as to what you're getting at so do me a favor and quote what post you are referring to so I can provide you an adequate response.

On June 26 2013 16:40 Aquanim wrote:

I'm not reading filters at the moment, I'm living the rest of my life and occasionally checking the thread to see if anything interesting pops up.

On June 24 2013 17:04 Aquanim wrote:

I suppose that's a fair enough position to hold. I've personally found that my reads based on 'feelings' are often more accurate than those where I carefully assemble 'evidence'. This doesn't feel to me like the town Chromatic which I played with in Newbie XXXIII.

Asking questions is a town-y kind of thing to do, I agree. However, in my mind it is only significantly town-y when there is an actual plan behind those questions. By comparison, Chromatic was asking pretty generic questions without any real point or follow-up. Asking other people for their reads while having shared none of his own does not sit well with me.


Pointing out that some plan or another is stupid before anyone else does is a really cheap way of accumulating town-cred without committing to anything. Someone was going to shoot that plan down either way, so a scum player would have nothing to gain from not shooting it down.

All this being said, I think that what he's done so far could plausibly be explained by a town mentality as well as a scum one. If he comes back tomorrow and starts playing a good town-game I'll be looking to lynch somebody else. For the meantime, though, my vote and intention stays.

It is even better to vote for people who have posted some stuff but haven't been useful, since you'll probably get a reaction out of them (and others) which will help you find scum. Voting a lurker doesn't accomplish much at this point in the day.

Meta in newbies is of limited usefulness, particularly for assessing scuminess directly - people's scumgames could change dramatically. However, if someone has demonstrated a capability for making cases/scumhunting/not being utterly useless/etc. there is no reason why that capability should disappear. I won't magically choose to start playing worse just for the sake of changing my playstyle.I am making the point that I can and will make cases to justify my vote when necessary, which I can prove by citing previous games. 

Because it's true. If I have a gut read, I do seek to substantiate it with a case to convince other people though. I don't expect anyone else to be convinced by my gut.What about this statement makes you think I couldn't say it as town? (NB. You should be thinking this about any scum read.)

Lastly, who says scum play has to be finely calculated? He said himself he was pressed for time - there's no reason why that shouldn't negatively impact the quality of his planning and calculation if he's scum.

There's a pattern here of wanting not to lynch people based on their strong play in previous games... which has absolutely no relevance to this game. Could be a side-effect of him not having time to read this thread properly, but not wanting to commit to anything relevant to this game is characteristic of scum.

That got kinda sparse towards the end simply because I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again.Well, a double townie flip is distinctly less than good, but Xzavier being green still tells us a lot. Obviously I'm the only one who knows certainly that I am town, but from my perspective (seeing this as a double-townie-wagon kind of day) I doubt scum took a hugely active role on Xzavier's wagon or on mine.

Like I said, a Vigilante is unlikely to be mislynched since he can claim, and the odds of him being shot are relatively low. A Vigilante is likely to be alive in the next night phase, and being able to take a shot when there is more information to decide a target is a good thing.

I asked the question to hear your reasons for thinking I won't be shot tonight, so as to get a better idea of how seriously you're analysing the game. I can see your point though about direct relevancy and the answer isn't vitally important to me at the moment, so I'm willing to let that question go.

I'm not reading filters at the moment, I'm living the rest of my life and occasionally checking the thread to see if anything interesting pops up.