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On June 26 2013 23:59 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 23:14 hzflank wrote:
@Aqua: Do you realize how many negative little posts you made about Onegu on day 1? If you are town then this is a good reason for someone to start a wagon on Onegu on day 2, because you were on the wrong wagon on day 1 and it looks like someone can easily get you on Onegu's wagon on day 2. Then you get outed on on the day 3 lylo and the scum get an easy win. If you are town, I would suggest you make yourself very sure of Onegu's guilt before you jump on his wagon, because I think that you are being played. Any talk of D2 lynches is dangerous as scum can easily redirect night actions. Posting cases and thoughts are fine, but anything that resembles "as soon as d2 post is up my vote is on x" should be avoided.
That was what I thought. However, there was talk of day 2 lynches within an hour of the flip. Someone has already even tried to vote!
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On June 26 2013 16:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 11:02 Chromatically wrote:
I am very surprised that both of them flipped as town. I have a lot of strong town reads, but I clearly need to rethink some of them as a) there was probably scum on the Xzav lynch and b) there's not enough people left that are in my null-scum area.
hz looks pretty town despite his wierd logic because there's really no reason for scum to draw suspicion to themselves by switching that late as the lynch was already secure.
Same thing for Alaka, less confident on that. I don't follow. hz looks town because he did something suspicious? We can save this discussion for Day 2 if you think the information is sensitive, but don't let me forget this point, Chromatically.
On June 26 2013 16:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Just finished hz's filter. The town consensus is that he's very pro-town. I don't see it as quite that clear-cut, but I will defer to the town's judgement. He had some pro-town stuff leading up to the Xzavier lynch, but he's also had a couple of real head-scratchers. I won't quote them unless asked, because I want to reiterate that I don't think he's scum and I don't think investigating hz is a productive use of our time right now.
I have yet to go over Onegu's filter, but his upcoming morning mega-post will go a long way in helping me decide his alignment. I'm not ready to crucify him JUST for saying he thinks Alakaslam is the scummiest player on the board while Xzavier and Aqua were also Top 3 (which is what his apathy regarding the Day One vote boiled down to). His reads will help me decide.
My thoughts about hz and Onegu (vote-wise) are related.
Scum's objective is to blend in and not draw attention to themselves. When scum sees a mislynch wagon forming, they have two options:
1) Sheep the wagon and otherwise push it to make sure that it goes through. Scum only needs to do this if the wagon might fail.
This is probably not what happened yesterday. Most likely, there was no scum in danger of being lynched because Xzav was the clear, clear, forerunner. There was no need for scum to draw attention to themselves by sheeping that wagon because it would (and did) go through anyway.
2) Avoid the wagon and call the lynchee town a lot so that they look good after the flip. Scum will only do this is the wagon will go through without them and there's no danger of a scum lynch.
This is the most likely scenario for yesterday's lynch. Scum sees that the wagon will go through and starts resisting it for town cred after a flip. It's important to distinguish between townies that honestly thought that the wagon was bad (they have shown their reasoning) and scum who artificially called the wagon bad (they have no reasoning).
hz chose option 1 by sheeping the wagon. There was no scum motivation for this because the wagon was clearly going to succeed.
Onegu chose option 2 by avoiding voting entirely. The scum motivation is to avoid being on the mislynch for town cred afterwards.
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Onegu, you had a scumread on Aqua all of day 1, posted a case on him, and then dropped it saying that "it wasn't that good". What's your read on Aqua and why did your opinion change?
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About Spicy
It's hard to tell if his reasons for not voting Xzav are legit, given that I disagreed with them. They could be real or artificial as far as I can tell, I can't get anything from that.
What I don't like (and this is a general statement about Spicy, Stim, and Onegu) is that when your vote is not on a leading wagon, you should be doing your ABSOLUTE BEST to push your read. This is especially true if you have a town read on the leader. A townie would do everything that they can to prevent a mislynch.
Spicy defends Xzav a little, but then drops it with this post:
On June 26 2013 09:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 09:11 Chromatically wrote:
Spicy and hz, did you read my case? It didn't convince you at all?
And if you put your vote on someone random, and then don't push their lynch at all, you are wasting your vote. I read it and wasnt convinced. I had spent most of my time after the case posted defending my defense of Xzavier and then had work. I did update the case based off of his then vote on stim. No one else has commented on my case and 1/2 the thread thinks im scum for defending xzavier so theres nothing i can do at this point. I'd like your comment on my case.
He backs off of defending Xzav because "1/2 the thread thinks im scum" for it. This is a clear exaggeration. At most, ONE person had called him scum for defending Xzavier. Is this overstatement a sign of a scum persecution complex? Maybe.
I also really don't like how he gave up on Xzav so easily. Maybe it's just a playstyle difference, but if I think someone is about to be mislynched, I would be posting a TON, urging voteswitches, and aggressively trying to move the lynch.
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On June 27 2013 00:29 Chromatically wrote:
Onegu, you had a scumread on Aqua all of day 1, posted a case on him, and then dropped it saying that "it wasn't that good". What's your read on Aqua and why did your opinion change?
I still feel he is scum but I cannot prove it at this point, my thought process was if xzavier flipped scum to lead a bandwaggon on him but that isnt possible it is looking like.
My scum team is
Aqua
Firm
And either
Alakaslam or lonemeow as the third leaning more toward alakaslam as the third.
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On June 26 2013 23:47 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Few thoughts on Onegu: I'll try not to repeat what others have said for the sake of spamming the thread.
About his apathy claim between xzavier and aqua: I don't get why he said this as it makes 0 sense from either a town or scum perspective as his vote wasnt even on one of them. What i find more interesting is that regardless of the lynch, he will not be voting for Alakaslam next day. He claimed that if xzavier flips town, aqua gets voted, and if he flips scum, i get voted. What happened to Alakaslam?
His Aqua case: He seems to be tunneling aqua now (again?) with an updated case. A lot of it seems very nit picky. but i still come back to one thought... What about Alakaslam? I understand that reads change over time, but onegu went from voting aqua to alakaslam and now back to focusing on aqua. Why isnt alakaslam a priority target now? Unless i missed a post buried in the 6 pages of thread i caught up on.
I am ok voteing alakaslam but I dont think he is that much of a threat to town, my 2 other scum reads by thier playstyle are more dangerous to town.
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On June 27 2013 00:47 Chromatically wrote:About SpicyIt's hard to tell if his reasons for not voting Xzav are legit, given that I disagreed with them. They could be real or artificial as far as I can tell, I can't get anything from that. What I don't like (and this is a general statement about Spicy, Stim, and Onegu) is that when your vote is not on a leading wagon, you should be doing your ABSOLUTE BEST to push your read. This is especially true if you have a town read on the leader. A townie would do everything that they can to prevent a mislynch.Spicy defends Xzav a little, but then drops it with this post: Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 09:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 26 2013 09:11 Chromatically wrote:
Spicy and hz, did you read my case? It didn't convince you at all?
And if you put your vote on someone random, and then don't push their lynch at all, you are wasting your vote. I read it and wasnt convinced. I had spent most of my time after the case posted defending my defense of Xzavier and then had work. I did update the case based off of his then vote on stim. No one else has commented on my case and 1/2 the thread thinks im scum for defending xzavier so theres nothing i can do at this point. I'd like your comment on my case. He backs off of defending Xzav because "1/2 the thread thinks im scum" for it. This is a clear exaggeration. At most, ONE person had called him scum for defending Xzavier. Is this overstatement a sign of a scum persecution complex? Maybe. I also really don't like how he gave up on Xzav so easily. Maybe it's just a playstyle difference, but if I think someone is about to be mislynched, I would be posting a TON, urging voteswitches, and aggressively trying to move the lynch.
That last part you quoted was in reference to pushing hurricane, not defending xzavier as the previous sentence was talking about hurricane's case. Immediately after i posted a defense of xzavier i got replies from you, lone, onegu, and tofu. Perhaps its because i was on the defensive most of D1 so the quick replies by a bunch of people got me into that feeling. I tried my best to counter but it went nowhere. My defense of xzavier was based off of meta, and people didnt agree with it, so what else could i have said? I would just be repeating myself.
It feels weird that it looks scummy that i didnt defend xzavier enough and yet i look scummy for tofu for defending too much (or at all).
Also please look at my recent post about tofu about not pushing scum reads.
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On June 27 2013 00:52 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 23:47 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Few thoughts on Onegu: I'll try not to repeat what others have said for the sake of spamming the thread.
About his apathy claim between xzavier and aqua: I don't get why he said this as it makes 0 sense from either a town or scum perspective as his vote wasnt even on one of them. What i find more interesting is that regardless of the lynch, he will not be voting for Alakaslam next day. He claimed that if xzavier flips town, aqua gets voted, and if he flips scum, i get voted. What happened to Alakaslam?
His Aqua case: He seems to be tunneling aqua now (again?) with an updated case. A lot of it seems very nit picky. but i still come back to one thought... What about Alakaslam? I understand that reads change over time, but onegu went from voting aqua to alakaslam and now back to focusing on aqua. Why isnt alakaslam a priority target now? Unless i missed a post buried in the 6 pages of thread i caught up on. I am ok voteing alakaslam but I dont think he is that much of a threat to town, my 2 other scum reads by thier playstyle are more dangerous to town.
What about their playstyles makes them more dangerous?
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On June 27 2013 01:00 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 00:47 Chromatically wrote:About SpicyIt's hard to tell if his reasons for not voting Xzav are legit, given that I disagreed with them. They could be real or artificial as far as I can tell, I can't get anything from that. What I don't like (and this is a general statement about Spicy, Stim, and Onegu) is that when your vote is not on a leading wagon, you should be doing your ABSOLUTE BEST to push your read. This is especially true if you have a town read on the leader. A townie would do everything that they can to prevent a mislynch.Spicy defends Xzav a little, but then drops it with this post: On June 26 2013 09:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 26 2013 09:11 Chromatically wrote:
Spicy and hz, did you read my case? It didn't convince you at all?
And if you put your vote on someone random, and then don't push their lynch at all, you are wasting your vote. I read it and wasnt convinced. I had spent most of my time after the case posted defending my defense of Xzavier and then had work. I did update the case based off of his then vote on stim. No one else has commented on my case and 1/2 the thread thinks im scum for defending xzavier so theres nothing i can do at this point. I'd like your comment on my case. He backs off of defending Xzav because "1/2 the thread thinks im scum" for it. This is a clear exaggeration. At most, ONE person had called him scum for defending Xzavier. Is this overstatement a sign of a scum persecution complex? Maybe. I also really don't like how he gave up on Xzav so easily. Maybe it's just a playstyle difference, but if I think someone is about to be mislynched, I would be posting a TON, urging voteswitches, and aggressively trying to move the lynch. That last part you quoted was in reference to pushing hurricane, not defending xzavier as the previous sentence was talking about hurricane's case. Immediately after i posted a defense of xzavier i got replies from you, lone, onegu, and tofu. Perhaps its because i was on the defensive most of D1 so the quick replies by a bunch of people got me into that feeling. I tried my best to counter but it went nowhere. My defense of xzavier was based off of meta, and people didnt agree with it, so what else could i have said? I would just be repeating myself. It feels weird that it looks scummy that i didnt defend xzavier enough and yet i look scummy for tofu for defending too much (or at all). Also please look at my recent post about tofu about not pushing scum reads.
Was your townread on Xzav solely based on meta?
The problem that Tofu and I have with your defense of Xzav is the same.
A Townie would:
1) Vote Xzav if they think that he's scum.
2) Vote someone else and push them really hard if they think that Xzav is scum, but someone else is worse.
3) Defend Xzav really hard if they have a townread.
Scum would:
4) Sheep onto Xzav if the wagon is going to fail. (Already talked about this, this didn't happen)
5) Defend Xzav a little, but not enough to move the vote, for town cread.
Your defense of Xzav looks much more like Scum option 5 than it does Townie option 2 or 3 because you weren't pushing Sponge hard and you didn't defend Xzav hard. You're defending Xzav just enough to look good after the flip, but not enough to actually move the lynch.
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On June 27 2013 01:12 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 00:52 Onegu wrote:On June 26 2013 23:47 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Few thoughts on Onegu: I'll try not to repeat what others have said for the sake of spamming the thread.
About his apathy claim between xzavier and aqua: I don't get why he said this as it makes 0 sense from either a town or scum perspective as his vote wasnt even on one of them. What i find more interesting is that regardless of the lynch, he will not be voting for Alakaslam next day. He claimed that if xzavier flips town, aqua gets voted, and if he flips scum, i get voted. What happened to Alakaslam?
His Aqua case: He seems to be tunneling aqua now (again?) with an updated case. A lot of it seems very nit picky. but i still come back to one thought... What about Alakaslam? I understand that reads change over time, but onegu went from voting aqua to alakaslam and now back to focusing on aqua. Why isnt alakaslam a priority target now? Unless i missed a post buried in the 6 pages of thread i caught up on. I am ok voteing alakaslam but I dont think he is that much of a threat to town, my 2 other scum reads by thier playstyle are more dangerous to town. What about their playstyles makes them more dangerous?
Alakaslam hasnt made any reads, hasnt pushed any agenda and hasnt posted much besides. None of this hurts town much it just doesnt help town. The others are actively trying to mislead and trick town.
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Spicy, I think that Tofu's actions around the lynch were fine.
He thought that you were scummier, but after pushing you he saw that no one else was willing to vote you.
Instead of wasting his vote on someone who wouldn't be lynched (you), he moves to his second-best scumread (Xzav).
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On June 27 2013 01:13 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 01:00 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 27 2013 00:47 Chromatically wrote:About SpicyIt's hard to tell if his reasons for not voting Xzav are legit, given that I disagreed with them. They could be real or artificial as far as I can tell, I can't get anything from that. What I don't like (and this is a general statement about Spicy, Stim, and Onegu) is that when your vote is not on a leading wagon, you should be doing your ABSOLUTE BEST to push your read. This is especially true if you have a town read on the leader. A townie would do everything that they can to prevent a mislynch.Spicy defends Xzav a little, but then drops it with this post: On June 26 2013 09:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 26 2013 09:11 Chromatically wrote:
Spicy and hz, did you read my case? It didn't convince you at all?
And if you put your vote on someone random, and then don't push their lynch at all, you are wasting your vote. I read it and wasnt convinced. I had spent most of my time after the case posted defending my defense of Xzavier and then had work. I did update the case based off of his then vote on stim. No one else has commented on my case and 1/2 the thread thinks im scum for defending xzavier so theres nothing i can do at this point. I'd like your comment on my case. He backs off of defending Xzav because "1/2 the thread thinks im scum" for it. This is a clear exaggeration. At most, ONE person had called him scum for defending Xzavier. Is this overstatement a sign of a scum persecution complex? Maybe. I also really don't like how he gave up on Xzav so easily. Maybe it's just a playstyle difference, but if I think someone is about to be mislynched, I would be posting a TON, urging voteswitches, and aggressively trying to move the lynch. That last part you quoted was in reference to pushing hurricane, not defending xzavier as the previous sentence was talking about hurricane's case. Immediately after i posted a defense of xzavier i got replies from you, lone, onegu, and tofu. Perhaps its because i was on the defensive most of D1 so the quick replies by a bunch of people got me into that feeling. I tried my best to counter but it went nowhere. My defense of xzavier was based off of meta, and people didnt agree with it, so what else could i have said? I would just be repeating myself. It feels weird that it looks scummy that i didnt defend xzavier enough and yet i look scummy for tofu for defending too much (or at all). Also please look at my recent post about tofu about not pushing scum reads. Was your townread on Xzav solely based on meta? The problem that Tofu and I have with your defense of Xzav is the same. A Townie would: 1) Vote Xzav if they think that he's scum. 2) Vote someone else and push them really hard if they think that Xzav is scum, but someone else is worse. 3) Defend Xzav really hard if they have a townread. Scum would: 4) Sheep onto Xzav if the wagon is going to fail. (Already talked about this, this didn't happen) 5) Defend Xzav a little, but not enough to move the vote, for town cread.Your defense of Xzav looks much more like Scum option 5 than it does Townie option 2 or 3 because you weren't pushing Sponge hard and you didn't defend Xzav hard. You're defending Xzav just enough to look good after the flip, but not enough to actually move the lynch.
It was meta combined his play during D1. After the last game he was quite upset with himself for his bad reads and was going to be more cautious about them. Thats what convinced me. It wasn't a strong case defending him since it was meta based and didnt make sense from a scum point of view. Last newbie game i defended a townie that looked scummy but i stated it didnt make sense from a scum perspective for him to act like that. Similar reasoning here with the added meta.
Also if I were scum why would i expose myself this much when the sure fire easiest thing to do is to just move onto xzavier with you and others posting cases about his play in this game? I truly thought he was town and had no reservations about going against the town sentiment. If i voted xzavier would anyone even bat an eye at me right now (except for tofu)?
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Chrom, is there anyone besides Spicy whose actions around the lynch seemed scummy?
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On June 27 2013 01:23 Chromatically wrote:
Spicy, I think that Tofu's actions around the lynch were fine.
He thought that you were scummier, but after pushing you he saw that no one else was willing to vote you.
Instead of wasting his vote on someone who wouldn't be lynched (you), he moves to his second-best scumread (Xzav).
please look at what i wrote again. It is clear he said his second best read was stim
On June 26 2013 01:03 FirmTofu wrote:
I've skimmed through the thread to get a handle on where people are leaning.
Scenario 1: Xzavier is town
Mafia should be distancing themselves from the lynch and somewhat defending him.
Scenario 2: Xzavier is mafia
Mafia should be vehemently arguing in his defense while also trying to distance themselves from him. It's a balancing act that is hard to do.
Keep an eye out for people who fall into the latter category for now.
On another note, I agree with Hurricane that StiM is the best lynch for today. However, letting Aqua die is simply not an option. We only lynch StiM if we know we can get enough votes.
He then does nothing with trying to get stim lynched and just sheeps onto xzavier.
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On June 27 2013 01:31 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 01:23 Chromatically wrote:
Spicy, I think that Tofu's actions around the lynch were fine.
He thought that you were scummier, but after pushing you he saw that no one else was willing to vote you.
Instead of wasting his vote on someone who wouldn't be lynched (you), he moves to his second-best scumread (Xzav). please look at what i wrote again. It is clear he said his second best read was stim Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 01:03 FirmTofu wrote:
I've skimmed through the thread to get a handle on where people are leaning.
Scenario 1: Xzavier is town
Mafia should be distancing themselves from the lynch and somewhat defending him.
Scenario 2: Xzavier is mafia
Mafia should be vehemently arguing in his defense while also trying to distance themselves from him. It's a balancing act that is hard to do.
Keep an eye out for people who fall into the latter category for now.
On another note, I agree with Hurricane that StiM is the best lynch for today. However, letting Aqua die is simply not an option. We only lynch StiM if we know we can get enough votes. He then does nothing with trying to get stim lynched and just sheeps onto xzavier.
Oh yeah, that's a good point that I missed.
Just a few posts later he says:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2013 02:01 FirmTofu wrote:
Even now, it is still possible that Xzavier lives because we only have 5 votes. We should try convincing hzflank or Alakaslam to switch their votes.
As I suspect the Mafia team is as follows...
Xzavier
SpicyDinosaur
Onegu
They are trying not to make it obvious that they want to keep Xzavier alive. You can see how they are frantically looking for other scapegoats to shift attention off of Xzavier, but don't have much of a case.
Furthermore, my preliminary assessment of Alakaslam speaks to an SK mindset. I will go into further detail when it becomes applicable on Day 2.
Stim isn't even in his proposed scumteam.
Tofu, can you clarify this situation?
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On June 27 2013 01:29 hzflank wrote:
Chrom, is there anyone besides Spicy whose actions around the lynch seemed scummy?
On June 26 2013 11:59 Chromatically wrote:I think that Onegu comes off worst after this lynch. He blatantly didn't care about whether Aqua or Xzav was lynched: Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 02:23 Onegu wrote:On June 26 2013 02:22 Chromatically wrote:
You don't care who is killed? Between xzavier and Aqua. Except just a few posts earlier, he says that he has a null read on Xzav and a scum read on Aqua: Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:On June 26 2013 02:01 FirmTofu wrote:
Even now, it is still possible that Xzavier lives because we only have 5 votes. We should try convincing hzflank or Alakaslam to switch their votes.
As I suspect the Mafia team is as follows...
Xzavier
SpicyDinosaur
Onegu
They are trying not to make it obvious that they want to keep Xzavier alive. You can see how they are frantically looking for other scapegoats to shift attention off of Xzavier, but don't have much of a case.
Furthermore, my preliminary assessment of Alakaslam speaks to an SK mindset. I will go into further detail when it becomes applicable on Day 2. To be honest I dont care who is killed if Xzavier flips town my vote will go on aquanim and if he flips scum I will vote Spicydinosaur. My current read on Xzavier is null with scum reads on alakaslam and aqua. With every post Alakaslam makes he looks more and more like noob scum to me. So he doesn't care about the lynch, even though he thinks that Aqua is scummier. Why wouldn't he vote Aqua, and why doesn't a townie care about the lynch in the first place? If Onegu was scum, however, he wouldn't care whether Aqua or Xzav are lynched as he knows that they're both town. He also wouldn't want to have his vote on one of them when they flipped because it would draw suspicion to himself. Side note: this works just as well if Aqua is scum. Onegu wouldn't want to vote Aqua because they're scumbuddies and doesn't want to be on the mislynch wagon. Thoughts?
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On June 26 2013 06:36 Chromatically wrote:
It helps that I have a town read on everyone on the Xzav wagon, so I really don't think that scum is pushing this wagon at all. I'd be surprised if there are no scum at all on a town wagon.
Before the flip you suspected Onegu for the reasoning behind his voting. While the flip does not change his reasoning, I expected it to cause you to reconsider more.
Although Meow was the first to vote for Xzavier, with the way it happened I consider you to be the starter of the Xzavier wagon. Therefore, your insight into the votes that your wagon gathered will be very useful. There is no rush, we have 48 hours, but I was just surprised that you started with Onegu and Spicy.
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Wow. Uh, Hey Tofu? Your thoughts on Onegu after all this? ... Also, I can't do what you requested for mod reasons, as I suspected.
Onegu, how was the exchange between Tofu & I a few pages ago? A lot of misunderstanding there.
I understand being under suspicion, and I am still. I think what has helped me with that is actually trying to cooperate with Hurricane Sponge.
Fellow Town. I am not being a potato when I say I need to be at least believable. There is a small dissertation by me to Onegu about how and why I lost it. You know what is nice about being town? I can answer your questions with perfect honesty and be consistent without effort. Some I just shouldn't answer (are you the Vig?) but then, how would blue claiming or denying help my defense? It might but not without detriment to town, and since I want to help town now more than stay alive, my defense just isn't worth that sort of thing. Especially as some people wouldn't be able to resist saying "shoot Onegu or I tunnel you" and I yell "KENPACHIIIIIIII!!!!! MI NE FREGGO!!!" And it's all based on falsehood because I'm not even Vig, and just creates confusion.
Right now, I am stuck between a rock and a hard place, if interested see spoiler.
Please town make like Hurricane Sponge and solidify my position. If I am scum lynch me NOW (meaning as soon as daylight). If I am town I really need to be able to help without reverse psychology involved/invoked.
+ Show Spoiler + FirmTofu believes his case against Onegu as related to me if he is town. And heck I understand the reasoning, and when my phone didn't refresh I saw the post where he did exactly what I asked. The problem with that is tofu started to get just as scummy as I was with the defense against the air, but I know exactly how that happens and it's not necessarily a super-tight scum tell at all. Also, Onegu keeps getting more and more town in my eyes. So lets say they're both town. Tofu will become convinced that Onegu and I are SCUMBUDDIES and try to get Onegu lynched because I am so appropriately new that I think actually BEING mafia would make me incredibly dangerous now. + Show Spoiler + now we get deep. Say I AM mafia folks. You just F'ed up the tracker because the only person carrying out KP is me. So FOR HIS SAKE, help prove me town so he realizes his night can still be productive! Otherwise, I am effectively a tracking role blocker. . I think Lynching Onegu at this point is not good, just as I think Tofu may be town (however I will read the Onegu case against him). So I am in this potential town v town scenario with no shot at firming up my innocence. Now, say Onegu is scum. + Show Spoiler + He has a lot of balls, and puppet mastered me hard and was very successful. Beware. Need more info, that will come with time. Say he is Town. + Show Spoiler + people who want to lynch him may be scum. He has been aiding clarity since the early stages of the game. So he is a really good asset to town and with his recent plays that makes sense. Say Tofu is town. + Show Spoiler + he is misguided by my shitstorms and I apologize. (Hz you think YOU messed up, roflmao). He should consider Onegu's case assuming I don't exist, consider that Aqua pushed him to voting me when unsure, that he also was looking at others so say he did the same thing but put his vote on stimaddict. Consider his filter. Is Onegu still scummy? Say he is scum. + Show Spoiler + he tunnels Onegu because he knows Onegu is town and helpful town at that. Easy to see why he might do this if Onegu is town. Say both are scum No spoiler needed mind blown.
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Onegu I swear I am just that bad at town. I just tried a possibilities exploration on you and Tofu. I think that is wiser for me to do than scumread, we lost two town already, may lose two more tonight, so a myslynch could mean game if I'm not wrong.
Town, I am at your service. Headed to work, what can I do? Catch me In the act, find the red hands in my play and prove them!
[heavy sigh]
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On June 27 2013 01:47 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 01:31 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 27 2013 01:23 Chromatically wrote:
Spicy, I think that Tofu's actions around the lynch were fine.
He thought that you were scummier, but after pushing you he saw that no one else was willing to vote you.
Instead of wasting his vote on someone who wouldn't be lynched (you), he moves to his second-best scumread (Xzav). please look at what i wrote again. It is clear he said his second best read was stim On June 26 2013 01:03 FirmTofu wrote:
I've skimmed through the thread to get a handle on where people are leaning.
Scenario 1: Xzavier is town
Mafia should be distancing themselves from the lynch and somewhat defending him.
Scenario 2: Xzavier is mafia
Mafia should be vehemently arguing in his defense while also trying to distance themselves from him. It's a balancing act that is hard to do.
Keep an eye out for people who fall into the latter category for now.
On another note, I agree with Hurricane that StiM is the best lynch for today. However, letting Aqua die is simply not an option. We only lynch StiM if we know we can get enough votes. He then does nothing with trying to get stim lynched and just sheeps onto xzavier. Oh yeah, that's a good point that I missed. Just a few posts later he says: + Show Spoiler +On June 26 2013 02:01 FirmTofu wrote:
Even now, it is still possible that Xzavier lives because we only have 5 votes. We should try convincing hzflank or Alakaslam to switch their votes.
As I suspect the Mafia team is as follows...
Xzavier
SpicyDinosaur
Onegu
They are trying not to make it obvious that they want to keep Xzavier alive. You can see how they are frantically looking for other scapegoats to shift attention off of Xzavier, but don't have much of a case.
Furthermore, my preliminary assessment of Alakaslam speaks to an SK mindset. I will go into further detail when it becomes applicable on Day 2. Stim isn't even in his proposed scumteam. Tofu, can you clarify this situation?
Ah, of course. What happened was that I wanted Hurricane to switch his vote from StiM to Xzavier so that Aqua(who i had a stong town read on) wouldn't die. I was also very wary of StiM regardless because he was lurking hardcore. To win Hurricane over to our side, I got on his level. Obviously, I wasn't bein completely honest when I said StiM was the best lynch, but I knew that Aqua couldn't be allowed to die and this was my tactic to save him.
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