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On June 26 2013 15:45 Hurricane Sponge wrote:As we all now know, fyfy flipped Town. Keep in mind the context that scum would know who was town at this juncture. I'm going to build a profile on fyfy for everyone:
First action involving fyfy was a vote by Tofu:
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On June 24 2013 16:53 FirmTofu wrote:As I am about to go to bed, I would like to go ahead and
##Vote: fyfy because he is the only person who hasn't spoken yet. Keep your eye on Stim and Meow as well because they are lurking, especially Stim.[/QUOTE]
Interestingly, Onegu (unprompted) came to his defense with a very logical argument:
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On June 24 2013 16:59 Onegu wrote:[QUOTE]
On June 24 2013 16:53 FirmTofu wrote:As I am about to go to bed, I would like to go ahead and
##Vote: fyfy because he is the only person who hasn't spoken yet. Keep your eye on Stim and Meow as well because they are lurking, especially Stim.[/QUOTE]
It is better to vote for lurkers who have posted one time and stopped then to vote for someone who hasnt posted anything because they will most likely get replaced or modkilled.[/QUOTE]
Spicy then enters the conversation after a defense of Chromatically as town with a defense of fyfy and a counter-poke on Tofu that reads more like an attack on StiM:
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On June 24 2013 21:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:@Aquanim I dont like your case against chrom. Our exchange in the beginning was just to get the ball rolling which worked and started generating some content. Its still early D1 but right now im feeling chrom as town.
Looking at FirmTofu as possible scum target.
His first post is pure spam that does nothing to generate discussion
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On June 24 2013 11:15 FirmTofu wrote:Scum Hunt Day 1:[QUOTE]
On June 24 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote:hey guys[/QUOTE]
Analysis: Trying to appear friendly with an innocuous greeting. Seems to project an air of insecurity.
Preliminary Conclusion: Scum
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On June 24 2013 11:01 StiMaDDict wrote:so it begins..[/QUOTE]
Analysis: Neutral statement of fact.
Preliminary Conclusion: Need more information.
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On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:Hey everyone[/QUOTE]
Analysis: Exudes power with strong capitalization techniques along with a greeting.
Preliminary Conclusion: A leader with a powerful role.
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On June 24 2013 11:03 Xzavier wrote:Spicy <3 hello again. [/QUOTE]
Analysis: Trying to establish a connection with a player that he has interacted with prior to this game. A metagaming, manipulative sort of move.
Preliminary Conclusion: Scummy
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On June 24 2013 11:04 Chromatically wrote:Why so scummy, Spicy?[/QUOTE]
Analysis: First baseless accusation. As the old chinese proverb states, "He who smelt it, dealt it."
Preliminary Conclusion: Scum
Suggested Lynch: Chromatically[/QUOTE]
I'm also not a huge fan of his stance on meta use. He claims that he doesn't want to use meta which would be fine on its own, but here he is using the argument to ignore evidence.
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On June 24 2013 12:01 FirmTofu wrote:As an aside, I would prefer if the accusations remained within the confines of this game and this game only. That is to say, judging people on the differences between their past games and this one is a rather boring way to play the game.[/QUOTE]
He claims I'm scummy because i am defensive when accused of being scum.
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On June 24 2013 12:36 FirmTofu wrote:I actually do believe Spicydinosaur is scummy, but not for the reasons that Hurricane Sponge states.
In all of his posts, he is extremely defensive. At the slightest mention of someone accusing him of anything, he flares up in his own defense. This could be due to his personality or it could be that he is extremely afraid of getting lynched. If it is indeed the latter, he is likely to be a powerful role, town or mafia. This is my preliminary assessment.
(It's funny that this real analysis is in agreement with my fluff analysis at the beginning of the game)
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He acknowledges that it could just be my personality, yet when I link past games to show exactly that, he ignores it. At this point he just backs off his scum claim.
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On June 24 2013 12:44 FirmTofu wrote:[QUOTE]
On June 24 2013 12:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:[QUOTE]
On June 24 2013 12:36 FirmTofu wrote:I actually do believe Spicydinosaur is scummy, but not for the reasons that Hurricane Sponge states.
In all of his posts, he is extremely defensive. At the slightest mention of someone accusing him of anything, he flares up in his own defense. This could be due to his personality or it could be that he is extremely afraid of getting lynched. If it is indeed the latter, he is likely to be a powerful role, town or mafia. This is my preliminary assessment.
(It's funny that this real analysis is in agreement with my fluff analysis at the beginning of the game)
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I do this in all my games, check out [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972] Les Mafia[/url]for a good example. Though i don't see how that is alignment indicative as no one wants to get lynched. [/QUOTE]
I won't bother looking at your past games, because I believe you should only be judged on your actions in this game. As I mentioned before, you could very well have a defensive personality, so I am not saying you are definitely scum or anything like that.[/QUOTE]
Next up is the lurker list post which doesnt tell us anything new and just clutters up the thread. We all know who has/hasnt been posting as the filter button is a click away.
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On June 24 2013 13:27 FirmTofu wrote:[QUOTE]
On June 24 2013 12:30 FirmTofu wrote:Quoted Player List for reference:[QUOTE]
On June 18 2013 14:22 geript wrote:The Players
- Hurricane Sponge
- Onegu
- Chromatically
- Xzavier
- StiMaDDict
- FirmTofu
- fyfy
- hzflank
- Alakaslam
- Aquanim
- Spicydinosaur
- LoneMeow
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Lurkers: fyfy, Aquanium, LoneMeow, StiMaDDict, Alakaslam (Sorry, I know you said you were eating, but for all intents and purposes, you haven't posted at all.)
Let's keep a close watch on these guys before we start voting.[/QUOTE]
Lastly his vote on fyfy has been bugging me. It is clearly a pressure vote to get him active but why target fyfy over stim? Stim actually posted at the beginning of the day right after the day post, then dissipated. He was there reading the thread but not actively posting. This seems scummier than fyfy at the moment.
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After a while, Tofu drops his poke vote on fyfy:
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On June 25 2013 02:38 FirmTofu wrote:Wrong format sorry.
##unvote: fyfy[/QUOTE]
After a brief defense by Tofu from Spicy on the matter, fyfy chimes in:
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On June 25 2013 04:10 fyfy wrote:Hi guys, for what it's worth I believe FirmTofu to either be an overzealous townie or scum. By checking through some of his posts in his previous games it appears that he is indeed kinda overzealous about things as town, not too sure about scum though. Apparently in one of his games he shot another town he believed to be mafia so I'm not too sure where this places him.
For now, I'd rather we lynch someone scummier.[/QUOTE]
Tofu then links Spicy and fyfy:
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On June 25 2013 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:Another issue that may be useful later is his subtle defense of fyfy that worked wonders to nail me as an idiot for having voted him. Everyone fell for it, but for the time being, I have linked Spicy and fyfy as possible teammates.
Whether it be arrogance or a scum-tell, Spicy is definitely a suspicious individual that needs to be looked into.
##Vote: SpicyDinosaur[/QUOTE]
Spicy and Tofu then get in some crazy off-the-rails argument where they refute each other point by point without actually going anywhere. (Spicy has to actually bring up Hitler to finally kill the argument)
There's a bit of time that passes where fyfy is solicited for a vote, so he offers:
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On June 25 2013 15:48 fyfy wrote:I'm getting the read now that Aquanim is more scum than Xzavier as Aqua seems to be extremely defensive and I maintain my belief that Xzavier just types like a scum. Reading through the discussion, I am under the belief that Aquanim is scum.
##Vote: Aquanim[/QUOTE]
Aquanim then damns us with faint praise:
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On June 25 2013 15:49 Aquanim wrote:[QUOTE]
On June 25 2013 15:37 Xzavier wrote:But i really dont need to right now lol. I was in the middle of making a case against you when i had to get off the pc. so i posted the little i had. you cant make a case on a phone. sorrym and im not the only one guilty of not pressuring people. hellvim one of the seven who has casted a vote and given a reason why. So why arnt you going after the lurkers who havnt even voted yet by this logic?[/QUOTE]
- LoneMeow's two posts feel more constructive than the entirety of your filter
- StiMaDDict is a coinflip
- I feel like fyfy, Hurricane Sponge and Alakaslam are at least trying, even if they are not being very effective so far. There could well be scum in this group but I'm not nearly as confident about any one of them as I am about you and Onegu.
Voting in as of itself
is not scumhunting. You aren't trying to gain information by voting me and your case is pretty bad, which doesn't really leave any possible towny motivation for your vote.[/QUOTE]
fyfy gives his reasoning (a gut feel, apparently):
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On June 25 2013 15:58 fyfy wrote:[QUOTE]
On June 25 2013 14:44 Aquanim wrote:[QUOTE]
On June 25 2013 14:32 Onegu wrote:[QUOTE]
On June 25 2013 13:28 Aquanim wrote:[QUOTE]
Him saying the bolded part really bothers me, it is a failsafe for him to later say his gut lead him to make votes without having to make cases behind it
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[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=53#1045]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=53#1045[/url]
Mate, are you in any way familiar with my meta? If I lead a wagon with serious intent to lynch somebody there WILL be a case.
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The other big thing about him is he kept the NN thing going way to long almost half his posts deal with the NN, when it is a bad idea, what if the NN claims day one but scum counterclaims day 4 we still dont know who is who it only give scum an advantage and for him to harp on it over and over is scummy to me.
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STILL this?
1) A difference of opinions on policy is not scum-indicative
2) If I knew that the NN claiming was obviously scum-favoured and that I had no chance to make it happen,
why would I suggest it as town or scum? It would make me look bad either way.
Your reasons for voting me are all 12 hours old. It seems a very convenient time for you to bring those up now that there are a couple of other votes on me.
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On June 25 2013 13:13 Xzavier wrote:OMGUS more[/QUOTE]
Still pathetic. Make a real case or eat rope.[/QUOTE]
If there will be a case then why post this about your gut?
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Because it's true. If I have a gut read, I do seek to
substantiate it with a case to convince other people though. I don't expect anyone else to be convinced by my gut.
What about this statement makes you think I couldn't say it as town? (NB. You should be thinking this about any scum read.)
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Sure a differance on opinion isnt scum indicative, but you postion on something pro scum and makeing multiple posts on it is. And if you make a case on it and people agree with you because they dont see the reasons could let it happen. You weren't the first person to ask for the reveal so it did have a chance to convince the NN to come forward.[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Even if it was a pro-scum position, plenty of people had already said they thought it was a bad idea. I knew when I made that argument that I was arguing against thread sentiment and did it anyway, because I thought (and still think) that that claim would lead to town advantage.
You can't say that someone is scum just because they did some stuff which they MIGHT do as scum. You have to find something which they WOULDN'T do as town.
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Something about the way you type is off, I can't really put my finger on to it. I can't really decide whether you're really town or actually scum doing a good job pretending to be town.
If anyone could help me clarify how many mafs/SKs are usually in a 12p game I think I would be able to make better decisions.[/QUOTE]
... and then immediately backs off when confronted:
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On June 25 2013 16:13 fyfy wrote:So basically we're looking at 3 scums here, and its possible for 1 of them to not have a partner (the SK). So what we should be looking for people who are defending a lot of other people as these people will be the ones who likely will use that as an excuse for defending their mafia partner later on in the game ("Oh I defend everyone!").
As for now, I should not have voted so quickly, I apologise.
##Unvote: Aquanim[/QUOTE]
And that's where the trail goes cold. Now, I know this may be a bit embarrassing for Tofu, but that's not my point here. I'm more interested that Onegu and Spicy both defended fyfy with little prompting. I do not view this as early-game scum behavior. Interesting that they both cite StiM as a better target, leading me to personally re-evaluate my thoughts on him.
Thread: If you are convinced that either Onegu or Spicy are scum, please put these actions in context and give me your thoughts on StiMaddict.[/QUOTE]
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