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I have a terrible hangover so i am not going to try to have more of a headache today by rereading.
I am still suspicious of Hapa. I don't think anyone who voted for DP is scum unless GK is scum too, but i find it kinda hard to believe there would be only 2 scum wagons at the end of the day. That does not just sit well with me, especially considering my scumreads are not lurkers. I still think Oats is town for what i have said and i don't like how Hapa was (and apparently is?) unable to understand my read on him. I have no idea why he thought Oats was mafia last night.
I need to relook into Cora, as his reads were pretty shitty in my opinion when he last gave them. I also have suspicions towards Adam. I have no idea who he thinks is scum and that's really worrisome.
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On June 24 2013 01:52 slOosh wrote:
You may very well be correct - if you think it's a null point, that's fine, not worth hashing out another page to clarify a small part of the larger case.
pg 57~60 when you can please!
I just browsed it and you're going to have to be very specific about what you're looking for. Maybe I'm confirmation biasing because I think Hapa looks pretty town, but Hapa comes out of that looking better than rayn does imo, and I believe I've stated similar already.
The main thing I took from that is him neglecting to name me in people who are hard to mislynch, when my ratio is better than his. Curses.
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I'm going to say this right now.
The thing we must absolutely not do is let players like gk and ShiaoPi slink by through lynches as town wonderfully lynches into active players.
Any of you who played or watched Smurf, think about that game and why I'm saying this.
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marvellosity do you think my case on Hapa boiled down to him being asleep and him and yamato both being scum and nothing more when you read it?
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On June 24 2013 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you think my case on Hapa boiled down to him being asleep and him and yamato both being scum and nothing more when you read it?
The three main points as I see them are
1) his suspicions on you are dodgy (which I agreed with at the time)
2) he was taking yamato's answers at face-value and accepting them
3) he wasn't being town-leadery
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And 4) He suddenly went off from questioning GK, his top scumread and focused on completely different things.
Now, how does Hapa's answers to me last night make sense again?
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On June 24 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And 4) He suddenly went off from questioning GK, his top scumread and focused on completely different things.
Now, how does Hapa's answers to me last night make sense again?
Shrug, he wasn't being 100% reasonable but to be honest neither were you. The dialogue was all kinda useless.
If you're interested in some supplementary reading, go check out Palmar's smurf game from last autumn. Hapa was playing under the smurf Douglas Quaid and was at various points not particularly reasonable to suspicions directed at him. The way I read the exchanges with you is that he felt your suspicions on him weren't justified and he was just shutting them down arrogantly.
The issue with this is that it doesn't really help the person with the scumread on him stop having a scumread on him (you can see that in the game I referenced too), but on the other hand in the situation I think that Hapa is town, I can understand him doing that.
In all honesty I'd much rather Hapa talked about this with you rather than me talking about this with you, because this is only my interpretation. If you / others in the thread perceive how he dealt with your case as a problem, then he needs to deal with it himself.
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sloosh, whos your top scumread?
Doesnt really seem to be hapa.
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I don't see much scum activity between Hapa and Rayn. They are both players I am leaning town on, even though Rayn's case is absolutely terrible and Hapa defended it very well. I don't really see anything sinister in their exchange.
It just looks like one energized townie going after someone else. The case is really bad, but the way Rayn went about following up his case by questioning Hapa doesn't ring alarm bells to me.
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Fuck i am really bad at explaining myself. I'll try to explain better how i view the GK thing as people seem to not get it.
Hapa asked yamato about me and DP. First thing that should raise alarm bells is that yamato answered that he will re-read my posts, not DP's, who was his bigger scumread than me at that time. However, Hapa is completely fine with that. Yamato never gets back to him after that reread and Hapa is also perfectly fine with that.
This is not scumhunting at all. After this he says GK is no more a good lynch when nothing has changed and that he wants to lynch Sloosh/Ange, when some time earlier he liked Sloosh's posts.
I don't see how he is trying to scumhunt. He is rather trying to seem like contributive and trying to lynch whoever he can at that time.
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On June 24 2013 00:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
You.
Perhaps Ange, as it would be really easy for scum to cast doubt on me and push for my lynch D2. That got me really suspicious.
The third one is probably in one of the lurkers and semi-lurkers (GK/ShiaoPi/Coag/OO/SloOsh and others I'm probably forgetting).
Cora explain your reads.
Your top suspect seems to be Oats, why?
Your second suspect just lynched a mafia Godfather and you are suspicious of her because she is suspicious of you?
Your pool for third suspect is everyone besides me/Hapa/marv, and maybe we fall into the category of "others i am probably forgetting".
You are suspicious of every person in the game with little to no reasoning? Seriously?
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On June 24 2013 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck i am really bad at explaining myself. I'll try to explain better how i view the GK thing as people seem to not get it.
Hapa asked yamato about me and DP. First thing that should raise alarm bells is that yamato answered that he will re-read my posts, not DP's, who was his bigger scumread than me at that time. However, Hapa is completely fine with that. Yamato never gets back to him after that reread and Hapa is also perfectly fine with that.
This is not scumhunting at all. After this he says GK is no more a good lynch when nothing has changed and that he wants to lynch Sloosh/Ange, when some time earlier he liked Sloosh's posts.
I don't see how he is trying to scumhunt. He is rather trying to seem like contributive and trying to lynch whoever he can at that time.
Your arguments aren't very good.
Your first paragraph is moot, as Yamato is basically town.
I'm pretty sure when the lynch was DP vs GK, Hapa had a town read on DP as well and didn't want DP to die. He later summed up his suspicion for GK in his giant list of reads after the lynch.
I think Hapa is exploring a lot of possibilities and trying not to get into a tunnel. I really think that I Sware is affecting his play and he is trying to be slightly more conservative and cautious as opposed to having bitch fights with other players.
I really don't see why Hapa is scum. These arguments don't convince me.
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On June 24 2013 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 00:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
You.
Perhaps Ange, as it would be really easy for scum to cast doubt on me and push for my lynch D2. That got me really suspicious.
The third one is probably in one of the lurkers and semi-lurkers (GK/ShiaoPi/Coag/OO/SloOsh and others I'm probably forgetting). Cora explain your reads. Your top suspect seems to be Oats, why? Your second suspect just lynched a mafia Godfather and you are suspicious of her because she is suspicious of you? Your pool for third suspect is everyone besides me/Hapa/marv, and maybe we fall into the category of "others i am probably forgetting". You are suspicious of every person in the game with little to no reasoning? Seriously?
On Oats: Read my filter...particularly the early parts of it.
On Ange: I've explained that as well.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 00:51 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah, I understand. However, instead of asking me questions, she just calls me scum for what I did. Townies would ask me questions and try to figure out my thought process (like some did), but scum would just try to jump to conclusions and get me lynched.
I'm not say Ange is 100% scum and that we should try to lynch her. I'm not even saying Ange looks very scummy and we should thing about lynching her. I'm just saying that it makes me a bit suspicious.
On everyone else: I'm pretty sure I've given town reads on at least 4-5 players in this game. It's all in my filter. Those 5 are people I'm still not sure about and it's basically limited to those 5. I just keep forgetting that some players are in the game because they have zero thread presence.
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How the hell does yamato being probably town have to do anything with that? Did Hapa somehow know that yamato was town back then, because if he did i can't think of many explanations to that? Why would you ask questions from other people if you don't follow them up?
Do me a favor, go back and read that interaction from D1 and tell me what town!Hapahauli is trying to achieve by doing what he did.
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On June 24 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How the hell does yamato being probably town have to do anything with that? Did Hapa somehow know that yamato was town back then, because if he did i can't think of many explanations to that? Why would you ask questions from other people if you don't follow them up?
Do me a favor, go back and read that interaction from D1 and tell me what town!Hapahauli is trying to achieve by doing what he did.
Well since I am not Hapahauli, I can't give you a possible explanation for that exchange.
I believe that Hapa was trying to get a read on Yamato by asking him about his case on ShiaoPi. Hapa said that he talks with Yamato a lot and knows his playstyle, so he could have been trying to figure out whether Yamato is town or scum. Trying to figure out Yamato doesn't seem scummy to me.
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Cora make a fucking case on me please just so I can destroy it.
its n1, many things have happened since you first laid out your suspicions.
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On June 24 2013 03:03 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How the hell does yamato being probably town have to do anything with that? Did Hapa somehow know that yamato was town back then, because if he did i can't think of many explanations to that? Why would you ask questions from other people if you don't follow them up?
Do me a favor, go back and read that interaction from D1 and tell me what town!Hapahauli is trying to achieve by doing what he did. Well since I am not Hapahauli, I can't give you a possible explanation for that exchange. I believe that Hapa was trying to get a read on Yamato by asking him about his case on ShiaoPi. Hapa said that he talks with Yamato a lot and knows his playstyle, so he could have been trying to figure out whether Yamato is town or scum. Trying to figure out Yamato doesn't seem scummy to me.
Of course you can. That's how you find mafia. You look at what people say to other people and try to find their intentions behind their actions and if they point to them being town or scum. How do you scumhunt?
And i strongly disagree with what you said after the bolded part because i don't see that. This has been the case with Hapa - yamato whole game. Hapa is interacting with yamato but the interactions never seem like he is trying to find out if yamato is town or mafia.
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On June 24 2013 03:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cora make a fucking case on me please just so I can destroy it.
its n1, many things have happened since you first laid out your suspicions.
Here are the problems I have with you:
1. You haven't scumhunted all game. You've made little to no effort to do anything helpful for us whatsoever. Your filter has a lot of posts, and nothing useful. You're just trying to fake activity and not do any scumhunting.
2. You've been really flaky on most of your reads. You've 180'd on both me and Hapa, and you voted for OO for like 5 seconds before going back to Yamato.
3. Your Yamato read does not seem very genuine. It really looked like you just attacked him just to try and prove you were scumhunting. You didn't try and solidify your read on him once the pressure was off, which is why I really doubt your read.
4. Hapa's long post with the interaction between you and DP says a lot, and the fact that you only responded to it by silly one liners saying that he is wrong because you are town only makes me feel like he is right.
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coraz u still think marv is a good lynch?
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On June 24 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a terrible hangover so i am not going to try to have more of a headache today by rereading.
was this in response to someone asking you to re read something? If this isnt a response then its like a 100% scum imo.
town aligned player would have zero incentive to say "im not reading today"
this is 100% mafia aligned statement.
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