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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
June 23 2013 15:59 GMT
#1321
On June 24 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 00:54 ObviousOne wrote:
Holy shit Oats has one solitary scum game in his profile and it's Ego? I'm fucked.


He was scum in Dr Who

TY I'll use that as well.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2013 16:00 GMT
#1322
On June 24 2013 00:51 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 00:31 slOosh wrote:
Cora, you really need to reread the thread if you are even considering Ange. Actions speak louder than behavior, and her actions helped secure a scum lynch, much more than other players who may look town.

Yeah, I understand. However, instead of asking me questions, she just calls me scum for what I did. Townies would ask me questions and try to figure out my thought process (like some did), but scum would just try to jump to conclusions and get me lynched.

I'm not say Ange is 100% scum and that we should try to lynch her. I'm not even saying Ange looks very scummy and we should thing about lynching her. I'm just saying that it makes me a bit suspicious.

I'm not seeing this so much. I think she is trying to figure out marv's thinking process and you just are the topic of discussion.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2013 16:01 GMT
#1323
Hey marv, could you do me a favor and reread Hapa's filter concerning his stance on DP / GK? I want to see if you come to the same conclusion as I did.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 16:11 GMT
#1324
On June 24 2013 01:01 slOosh wrote:
Hey marv, could you do me a favor and reread Hapa's filter concerning his stance on DP / GK? I want to see if you come to the same conclusion as I did.


Not really interested in doing that, I've got a pretty decent townread on Hapa.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2013 16:12 GMT
#1325
Hey, cora (or whoever is here) I have something for you to look into. Reread pg 57~60 with the rayn / Hapa interactions and tell me what you see.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 16:12 GMT
#1326
My prevailing memory of Hapa as we came up to the lynch was that his thoughts mirrored mine very closely.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
June 23 2013 16:14 GMT
#1327
Yeah I'm good on my Oats town read.

Scum games Doctor Who + Ego Mini:
- Seriously complains a lot
- More complaining (easy to read in a whining tone)
- Weak/simple case and a vote, which he lets go soon in order to,
- Find a strong town read and sheeps them mirroring their reasoning

Oats in this game:
- Everything is very matter of fact
- Not giving a single iota of a fuck
- Doesn't even bother with big cases or major reasons half the time
- Attacks / interrogates strong townie presences
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
June 23 2013 16:17 GMT
#1328
This is what I wrote on OMGUS in the post-game for zombie and how I originally got a town read on him:

Town oats is indecisive as fuck, lost, dazed and confused. This oats was not, he was so focused on me (and to you guys I'm sure it looked like OMGUS) but I felt it within my bowels and couldn't express it properly without further (nevermind that I wasn't even around enough to do something like that, I missed the deadline for voting by sleeping through it). Scum oats pretends to be "random" that looks calculated, town oats operates by true random that looks like a fucking lunatic. When you learn how to spot the difference, you'll have a pretty good thermometer for him.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2013 16:29 GMT
#1329
le sigh. I hoped you would actually look marv and clear up some anxiety I had with you. Anyhows, I'm bringing it to the table since I'm interested in continuing the discussion on Hapa. What I see in Hapa's filter is a very generous attitude toward DP.

On June 23 2013 04:11 Hapahauli wrote:
I don't think DP is a good lynch for today. There are aspects of his play I don't like, however I feel that the reasons people have been suspicious of him for (myself included) are fairly inexact and within the realm of town-DP. He is a very null read for me, but that doesn't justify lynching him right now. One of the main arguments seems to be that there's a lack of engagement on his part than their normal town persona, but that could be said about half the players in this game right now (and obv not all of them can be scum).

I like ObviousOne's play in the last few pages. It's not aesthetically pleasing, but it seems genuine and town-motivated. Sylencia/Adam also get the replacement-pass for today.

I think this is a pretty messy post. What I see is a hesitation / aversion to lynching DP, but pretty vague justifications.

On June 23 2013 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa, what do you make of DP and the vote shenanigans?

I analysed it on the last page.

It requires far too many assumptions.

Firstly, it's a secret vote, so the pool of candidates isn't necessarily comprised of only the people suspicious of you in the thread.

Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability. At the very least, I'm not making my decision based on that assumption.

On June 23 2013 05:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway, I keep reading through DP's filter looking for anything lynchable and I can't find anything. Even the "lack of engagement" is explainable by the fact that he's literally always busy on Saturdays in every one of his TL games ever.

I still don't think DP is a good lynch. I think it's more than possible that the secret vote (which is presumably sent by PM) could have been sent by one of the lurkers, and I want to lynch into one of them.

SloOsh or Ange I think. Maybe a YOLO SWAG lynch on Adam cause he hasn't shown up (but no not really).

Again, taking a generous view of DP, and another shoddy reason for it. Earlier he said he doesn't like assuming it's a mafia ability. Yet he cites the secret vote as a reason to lynch into the lurkers.

On June 23 2013 07:05 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote GoodKarma

I can excuse DP's behavior on the grounds that he's generally busy on weekends. I don't like his play, but I feel it could come from a town DP.

I can't really excuse GK's behavior so far. He's made two bad cases (Oats and Shaio), and isn't pushing either one of them. Compared to Les Mis (where he was actively seeking to consolidate his vote), he just plopped his vote on Shaio and is content to let it rot there.

I think Ange pointed it out prior, but he is excusing DP but not GK. Excusing the now flipped scum DP over GK.


So what I see is a general aversion to the DP lynch, and some shoddy justifications for fighting it.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 16:33 GMT
#1330
Why would I look? I know what happened, and it's already factored into my read on him. I'm not going to waste my time on something that's already happened that I already have a view on just to satisfy your anxiety, dear.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2013 16:35 GMT
#1331
>.> Please comment on the main content of my post rather than the little blurb.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 16:38 GMT
#1332
On June 24 2013 01:35 slOosh wrote:
>.> Please comment on the main content of my post rather than the little blurb.


There's not a great deal to say about it. I agree, objectively it doesn't look great. In an extremely similar fashion to how my actions around the lynch don't look great either. I can fully empathise with his stance. This 'objectively' not looking great stuff is, for me, easily trumped by the meta read and feels I have on Hapa, and his extremely clear interest in the game and in constructive dialogue with other players.

Further I'd note that at least a couple of your quotes deal with him saying that assuming DP was the secret voter was stupid, and he was right, DP wasn't the secret voter. I'm not sure what you're trying to make of that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2013 16:41 GMT
#1333
Eh I gtg for now, but I want to again draw attention to pg 57~60, with regards to the Hapa / rayn interaction. I think Hapa did not engage the discussion honestly but misrepresented rayn's case on him. I'll be back later with more fleshed out description but I hope you guys can start it without me.

Particularly people like goodkarma, ShiaoPi, cora and Adam, this new stuff a good place to make contributions.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 16:41 GMT
#1334
I also rather think you have some causality mixed up, or at least I read the post differently.

You said he was using the secret vote to lynch into the lurkers, I understood it that he wanted to lynch into the lurkers anyway, and he was stating that there was a decent chance the secret vote came from them.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2013 16:44 GMT
#1335
On June 24 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 01:35 slOosh wrote:
>.> Please comment on the main content of my post rather than the little blurb.


There's not a great deal to say about it. I agree, objectively it doesn't look great. In an extremely similar fashion to how my actions around the lynch don't look great either. I can fully empathise with his stance. This 'objectively' not looking great stuff is, for me, easily trumped by the meta read and feels I have on Hapa, and his extremely clear interest in the game and in constructive dialogue with other players.

Further I'd note that at least a couple of your quotes deal with him saying that assuming DP was the secret voter was stupid, and he was right, DP wasn't the secret voter. I'm not sure what you're trying to make of that.

Cool, then I think the 57~60 interaction is a good place where we can discuss more behavior.

And I think my quote is fine. The part I bolded says "Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability." It has nothing to do with DP, but the fact that he says this about the secret vote but later uses it as a reason for voting into lurkers.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 16:45 GMT
#1336
See my post above for why I don't think Hapa was saying that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2013 16:46 GMT
#1337
On June 24 2013 01:41 marvellosity wrote:
I also rather think you have some causality mixed up, or at least I read the post differently.

You said he was using the secret vote to lynch into the lurkers, I understood it that he wanted to lynch into the lurkers anyway, and he was stating that there was a decent chance the secret vote came from them.

Perhaps the order was flipped, but it should stand as a point against, not for, voting lurkers, based on his previous post no?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 16:47 GMT
#1338
On June 24 2013 01:46 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 01:41 marvellosity wrote:
I also rather think you have some causality mixed up, or at least I read the post differently.

You said he was using the secret vote to lynch into the lurkers, I understood it that he wanted to lynch into the lurkers anyway, and he was stating that there was a decent chance the secret vote came from them.

Perhaps the order was flipped, but it should stand as a point against, not for, voting lurkers, based on his previous post no?


The two are distinct.

1) hapa wants to lynch into lurkers

---

2) the secret vote could well have come from lurkers

---

1 isn't because of 2, 1 and 2 are just co-existing. I think you're reading WAY too much into what he said about his assumptions of where the secret vote came from.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 16:49 GMT
#1339
Anyway we could back and forth on this until the cows come home, but it's probably easier if Hapa tells us what he meant My bet is that I understood it correctly, naturally ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2013 16:52 GMT
#1340
You may very well be correct - if you think it's a null point, that's fine, not worth hashing out another page to clarify a small part of the larger case.

pg 57~60 when you can please!
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