• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:16
CET 20:16
KST 04:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival12TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9
Community News
2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!8BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION1Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams6Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest3Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou22
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Could we add "Avoid Matchup" Feature for rankgame Smart servos says it affects liberators as well Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou The New Patch Killed Mech!
Tourneys
2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival BSL Season 21 BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET ASL20 Pre-season Tier List ranking! ASL Runner-Up Race Stats
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION ASL final tickets help [ASL20] Semifinal A
Strategy
Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Simple Questions, Simple Answers Roaring Currents ASL final
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Sabrina was soooo lame on S…
Peanutsc
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1732 users

Catch 22 Mafia - Page 65

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 63 64 65 66 67 114 Next
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 11:59 GMT
#1281
no kidding that wasnt helpful. It wasnt meant to be helpful. It was meant to be funny. Also I was way lazy and got decent reactions from it though.


I dont wanna lynch hapa as I said earlier.
No gg, No skill.
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:07 GMT
#1282
On June 23 2013 20:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 20:43 Ange777 wrote:
Marv, actually I would like you to explain more about your read on Cora and rayn as well.



rayn seems to me to have put in some of the most effort on Day 1 into solving the game. A lot of his posts show inquisitive thinking and trying to determine motives. He just seems very interested in solving the game. I feel somewhat less strongly than I did on Day 1 for reason already mentioned, so we'll see where he goes from here.

I agree with... um... someone? :D who said that DP flipping red actually makes Corazon look quite a bit better than DP flipping green. If they're mafia together then Corazon really didn't try to push the lynch off DP onto GK at all. The issue with this is that it relies on the assumption that GK is green, which isn't one we can really make with any certainty at this stage. Other than that his posts read genuine enough, his bitch argument with me is the same bitch argument we always seem to have when he's town. He seems to care although his absence around the lynch is a bit concerning.


I feel the same about rayn.

Cora though ... I just don't see the logic behind that statement. You are basically saying we can't assume that goodkarma is green therefore you have to assume that Cora is green?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#1283
Not really, not quite sure how you read it that way. Corazon didn't try very hard to move the lynch off mafia (DP) even though he'd earlier professed a strong townread on him. This is with the caveat that the reasoning only holds up if goodkarma is actually town.

Tell me what you're thinking about him, then?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#1284
Just to be clear, I had Cora as town until that halfhearted push on goodkarma. But take that push and his seemingly opportunistic (blue) role claim or not claim (why even mention it? Mentioning it can only be in order to make people doubt their scum read on him and will make him prone for possible roleblocks) and I don't see how you can so happily put him on your town list.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 12:16 GMT
#1285
On June 23 2013 21:14 Ange777 wrote:
Just to be clear, I had Cora as town until that halfhearted push on goodkarma. But take that push and his seemingly opportunistic (blue) role claim or not claim (why even mention it? Mentioning it can only be in order to make people doubt their scum read on him and will make him prone for possible roleblocks) and I don't see how you can so happily put him on your town list.


If he is indeed mafia, then mafia will have to waste their roleblock on him now, rather than searching for 'real' blues. I'd argue the blue-claim is more him being a dejected arse.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#1286
Well if he is indeed mafia, then I believe he has sucessfully made town worry about killing off their blues. I assume you meant "if he is indeed blue"?

I am racking my brain but I really have difficulties to understand what you are trying to explain to me. Is it this?

Cora has a town read on DarthPunk (flipped scum). He says he doesn't want his town read DarthPunk dead, therefore votes goodkarma. Only if we know that goodkarma is green and Cora tried to push the lynch from a scum player to a town player, we can peg him as scum?

What if - speculations incoming - goodkarma is a mafia goon. Losing their mafia goon instead of their godfather would certainly be a better trade, especially as DarthPunk is considered a better scum player than goodkarma by a lot of us. If the above really is what you wanted to tell me, than I don't think it's logic is as sound as you think it is.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:33 GMT
#1287
On June 23 2013 20:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
no kidding that wasnt helpful. It wasnt meant to be helpful. It was meant to be funny. Also I was way lazy and got decent reactions from it though.


I dont wanna lynch hapa as I said earlier.


So who do you want to lynch? Adam?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:34 GMT
#1288
EBWOP:

Oats, did you actually seriously refuted hapa's case on you? I don't remember reading a defense.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 12:36 GMT
#1289
Yeah I did.
too lazy to quote.
it was like
1.
2.
3.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 12:37 GMT
#1290
Currently I wanna lynch Adam yeah.

MARV TALK ABOUT ADAM.
No gg, No skill.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
June 23 2013 12:37 GMT
#1291
On June 23 2013 20:27 Ange777 wrote:
@Adam:

Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:
On June 23 2013 14:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 14:01 Adam4167 wrote:
No. There's being unintentionally bad, where I will try to figure you out (go see duel mafia and my read on sylencia), and then being intentionally bad, such as Kush in smurf. You don't want to put the effort into playing properly, then i don't want you around with the idea lingering in the back of my head that you could be scum playing us for fools.


We're not lynching Oats unless we think he's scum. Period.

Do you think Oats is scum? Also presumably you caught-up with the thread now that you're posting - who are your other scum-reads?


I am reasonably caught up.

Right now I want to see more out of GoodKarma, ShioaPi and Raynpelikoneet. Oats would be on this list as well if he weren't playing like a dick.

I consider everyone on the DP wagon to be out of the question for tomorrow.

Those of us that were on GK yesterday, I actually have some of my better townreads on: Cora, Marv and yourself (in that order).



Can you please clarify on the subject of your townreads? Are you saying that Cora, Marv and Hapa are your stronger town reads among the people who voted on GK or in general? What makes you so sure about them being town?


They're my strongest townreads in the game, bar Yamato who would sit either first or second behind Cora. It still blows my mind that DP actually flipped scum, because when I compare both wagons side-by-side I see most of the towniest people all apparently on the wrong side of this lynch, and seemingly a hoard of semi-lurkers got together and offed the mafia godfather. To say i'm perplexed is an understatement.


Cora is town to me because of his general attitude. He isn't afraid to be himself, even if it gets him lynched. Constantly trying to redirect people onto more productive endeavors - trying to get coag to stop tunneling marv who hasn't even posted in the thread yet, for example. He feels exactly the same way he did in Duel mafia, except his reasoning is stronger, which probably stems from playing a few games since then.

Marv is town to me because we seem to be thinking along the same train of thought. The fact that his reads seem to echo most of my own fills me with some confidence that he is probably town. Hes been trying to figure people out from what I can tell and he seems to share my confusion with the current state of the game - that someone I've given a town read on probably has me tricked. His meta read on me is another plus. Hes probably the person most familiar with my scum play after our escapades in Hero mafia and hes got me nailed dead-to-rights - my scum play is wooden, not fluid and I am literally petrified of posting for fear of being accused.

Hapa feels town because hes actually posting and engaging people. In duel I defended scum hapa for over a cycle before common-sense finally set in that I was defending him even when he wasn't defending himself. His willingness to engage me as soon as I joined the game, and again tonight, was more than I ever got out of him in Duel. Bottom line is if his post count drops off and he becomes withdrawn in the thread, hes scum - I don't see that from him here. He has one of the biggest filters in the thread and hes quick to interrogate people if he doesn't understand what they're saying.


marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 12:38 GMT
#1292
On June 23 2013 21:28 Ange777 wrote:
Well if he is indeed mafia, then I believe he has sucessfully made town worry about killing off their blues. I assume you meant "if he is indeed blue"?

I am racking my brain but I really have difficulties to understand what you are trying to explain to me. Is it this?

Cora has a town read on DarthPunk (flipped scum). He says he doesn't want his town read DarthPunk dead, therefore votes goodkarma. Only if we know that goodkarma is green and Cora tried to push the lynch from a scum player to a town player, we can peg him as scum?

What if - speculations incoming - goodkarma is a mafia goon. Losing their mafia goon instead of their godfather would certainly be a better trade, especially as DarthPunk is considered a better scum player than goodkarma by a lot of us. If the above really is what you wanted to tell me, than I don't think it's logic is as sound as you think it is.


No, I meant if he's mafia fakeclaiming, then they're gonna have to hide their roleblock on him otherwise he's gonna have to answer some tricky questions. So they won't be roleblocking other, potential blues.

Also no, that's not what I was getting at at all. Sigh. That's not what I've written either, I guess it's a language barrier thing. I'm trying to say that Corazon would look signifcantly *worse* if GK was also scum rather than if GK was town (because in this scenario Corazon barely tried to get the lynch off DP).
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 12:44 GMT
#1293
Adam so much effort into town reads and no effort into scum reads :/

How is marv town because he is 'right' about you?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 12:45 GMT
#1294
Oats, he was asked specifically about them.

What the fuck is wrong with so many people this game going "why u talk about x" when every single time it's because the person was asked about x. Christ.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 12:46 GMT
#1295
On June 23 2013 21:45 marvellosity wrote:
Oats, he was asked specifically about them.

What the fuck is wrong with so many people this game going "why u talk about x" when every single time it's because the person was asked about x. Christ.

I asked for his scumreads too.
No gg, No skill.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
June 23 2013 12:47 GMT
#1296
Nah, you had your chance to open up a dialogue with me and you blew it.

Ill ignore you until you don't make my piss rise to a boil.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 12:47 GMT
#1297
well he has no scumreads.
NEVER MIND.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 12:48 GMT
#1298
On June 23 2013 21:47 Adam4167 wrote:
Nah, you had your chance to open up a dialogue with me and you blew it.

Ill ignore you until you don't make my piss rise to a boil.

blood. word is blood.


If you are town, and you dont want to talk to me, making me think you are scum, is that good?
No gg, No skill.
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:58 GMT
#1299
On June 23 2013 21:38 marvellosity wrote:
No, I meant if he's mafia fakeclaiming, then they're gonna have to hide their roleblock on him otherwise he's gonna have to answer some tricky questions. So they won't be roleblocking other, potential blues.


Ah ok.


Also no, that's not what I was getting at at all. Sigh. That's not what I've written either, I guess it's a language barrier thing. I'm trying to say that Corazon would look signifcantly *worse* if GK was also scum rather than if GK was town (because in this scenario Corazon barely tried to get the lynch off DP).


I think I finally understand what you are saying. Sorry for having to explain it over and over again. I am not sure I agree with it yet, I'll have to think about it.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 13:03 GMT
#1300
Oats, while you are asking for more effort in other people's scum reads, how about you show some effort yourself? I will not lynch Adam based on you simply asking for it. Stop being so lazy and do some work, please!

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Prev 1 63 64 65 66 67 114 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
17:00
Open Cup
RotterdaM727
TKL 445
IndyStarCraft 361
SteadfastSC249
ZombieGrub160
BRAT_OK 94
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 727
TKL 445
IndyStarCraft 361
SteadfastSC 249
MaxPax 164
ZombieGrub160
UpATreeSC 120
BRAT_OK 94
ProTech85
MindelVK 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 19009
Sea 580
Dewaltoss 86
Dota 2
qojqva4318
BananaSlamJamma262
PGG 120
Counter-Strike
fl0m2463
ScreaM1268
Other Games
FrodaN1748
Dendi1056
Beastyqt684
B2W.Neo542
Grubby464
ceh9409
mouzStarbuck325
ArmadaUGS118
C9.Mang0115
QueenE61
Mew2King50
rGuardiaN25
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL9882
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 159
• Reevou 5
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 55
• FirePhoenix8
• Michael_bg 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2602
League of Legends
• Nemesis2760
• TFBlade834
Other Games
• imaqtpie1857
• WagamamaTV396
• Shiphtur137
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
5h 44m
Replay Cast
14h 44m
Streamerzone vs Shopify Rebellion
Streamerzone vs Team Vitality
Shopify Rebellion vs Team Vitality
WardiTV Invitational
16h 44m
CrankTV Team League
17h 44m
BASILISK vs TBD
Team Liquid vs Team Falcon
BSL 21
1d 5h
Replay Cast
1d 14h
BASILISK vs TBD
Team Liquid vs Team Falcon
OSC
1d 16h
CrankTV Team League
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
4 days
Dewalt vs Shine
UltrA vs ZeLoT
BSL 21
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
5 days
Cross vs Motive
Sziky vs HiyA
BSL 21
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20
WardiTV TLMC #15
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.