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On June 23 2013 15:23 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Adam
Thanks for the feedback. No one really brought it up before and no one really talked about it after I posted so I just wanted to make sure I was somewhere on the right track.
@GK
You do bring up a good point with Marv. Those posts illustrate your point very well, but they're not too far out of the way a townie who is simply misreading would post. I'll wait until Marv makes a rebuttal to make a real decision about his scumminess.
I'm going to bed. Looking forward to seeing more people post tomorrow.
you're joking right? What did I 'misread'? If GK was town and I wanted to lynch him instead of DP, I sure as hell would have done it differently than pushing him a couple of times an hour before lynch while simultaneously saying repeatedly I'd kinda like to see DP flip as well. If you think that's how I'd play as scum you have nowhere near enough respect for my scumplay.
On June 23 2013 14:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway, it looks like I've gotten everything out of Oats that I will for a while.
I'm not as sure that he's scum anymore. He's responding fairly quickly and not showing very much guilt while doing so. While his answers are incoherent and unprepared, they do make sense provided that he was calling me scum in order to "poke" me and see how I'd react.
I still find him "poking" somewhat uncharacteristic for his town-game (he's usually much more direct/forceful with his reads), but I'll need to sleep on it and see what his actual reads end up being before I make a final judgement call.
I pretty much agree with this post in its entirety.
I also think rayn's push on Hapa is looking pretty insane right now. Hapa just doesn't look like mafia at all.
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Oatsmaster
cDgCorazon
ShiaoPi - his continued absence today looks *really* bad. He's on a different timezone so he's spent the whole of Sunday not being here at all. Scummy as fuck.
Hapahauli - looks really townie to me after catching up
DarthPunk
Ange777 - pushed DP lynch
marvellosity
goodkarma - really not sure, will have to see where his suspicions/interactions with me go.
Coagulation
Adam4167 - his posts read natural, haven't looked in any depth though
yamato77 - told you so
ObviousOne - was blatantly supposed to be the mislynch yesterday. He comes the most confirmed town to me after this flip
raynpelikoneet - was looking really townie to me, but this tunnel on Hapa is ridiculous
slOosh - just not sure
Somewhere along the line I have too much green somewhere I guess.
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So there has been quite some discussion going on today.
@Coag:
On June 23 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote:
im not vigi. if ur town u will be nightkilled tho.
On June 23 2013 08:36 Coagulation wrote:
how the fuck are you people getting town reads on marv. hes playing so scummy.....
Why do you think a town marv will be nightkilled if you yourself perceive him to be so scummy? I am not sure I understand your thought process.
I really don't like your posting and your focus on marv. Yes, you have been helped to sucessfully lynch scum but this does not free you from the responsibility of looking for other scum players. So I'd like to see you come up with some more scum reads because there is no way this is a 2 scum team.
@Hapa:
On June 23 2013 08:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Coag, at a certain point, if you want to call marv scum, do so sanely and constructively. Because the whole
foaming at the mouth "marv is scum trolololololol" doesn't really cut it for me, nor for the rest of the people here.
I also still don't understand the giant gap in analysis that you have regarding the DP vote - your analysis and thought process is literally only valid if GK isn't mafia.
I am not sure what exactly you are refering to in your question.
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Well that really is a lot of green.
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@Sloosh:
On June 23 2013 10:41 slOosh wrote:
p.s.
Marv's point about cora is pertinent here. Cora thought DP was town, but didn't (or couldn't) make an effort to move the lynch onto goodkarma. If anything that is some town points. Cora you don't look as bad (at least to me) as you may think.
Let's not waste this night. I want discussion about tomorrow's lynch to happen tonight before the NKs.
I forsaw Oats' mislynch in Roulette but didn't voice it, so this time I'll go on record and say that my #1 preference for tomorrow isn't goodkarma or cora. Reasoning / backup will follow later when I have more time (but if I can't, put this in your back pocket as consideration).
I don't see why you say that Cora gets town points for not trying to move the lynch onto his scum read.
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Anything you want to talk about while we're both here, Ange?
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Marv, I don't understand how you can give Adam a townish read when he actually voted for the "wrong" person. He did replace someone so yes, he get's some more time but how can you put Adam above Sloosh? Sloosh's vote was the one vote that secured the DP lynch.
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@Adam:
On June 23 2013 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 14:05 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 14:01 Adam4167 wrote:
No. There's being unintentionally bad, where I will try to figure you out (go see duel mafia and my read on sylencia), and then being intentionally bad, such as Kush in smurf. You don't want to put the effort into playing properly, then i don't want you around with the idea lingering in the back of my head that you could be scum playing us for fools. We're not lynching Oats unless we think he's scum. Period. Do you think Oats is scum? Also presumably you caught-up with the thread now that you're posting - who are your other scum-reads? I am reasonably caught up. Right now I want to see more out of GoodKarma, ShioaPi and Raynpelikoneet. Oats would be on this list as well if he weren't playing like a dick. I consider everyone on the DP wagon to be out of the question for tomorrow. Those of us that were on GK yesterday, I actually have some of my better townreads on: Cora, Marv and yourself (in that order).
Can you please clarify on the subject of your townreads? Are you saying that Cora, Marv and Hapa are your stronger town reads among the people who voted on GK or in general? What makes you so sure about them being town?
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On June 23 2013 20:24 Ange777 wrote:
Marv, I don't understand how you can give Adam a townish read when he actually voted for the "wrong" person. He did replace someone so yes, he get's some more time but how can you put Adam above Sloosh? Sloosh's vote was the one vote that secured the DP lynch.
I *think* I have a pretty good grasp on Adam's posting style as town and mafia, and at the moment I'm not seeing the mafia (stilted, contrived vs more open, etc).
You're right though, slOosh probably does deserve more green.
I'm also well aware that it is "scum-motivated" not to be on the scum wagon, but given Adam's circumstances I find it difficult to hold against him, it's really really hard to say he wouldn't have done what he did as a townie too
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To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.
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That would leave us with your other scum read goodkarma. I am not so sure whether I really can believe that we had two scum as our lynch targets on day 1 ... seems unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely. I haven't seen much from him to actually change my mind about his play but in light of the flip I am unsure about lynching him. I still want to see a second scum read from him.
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On June 23 2013 20:34 Ange777 wrote:
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.
Given he obviously finds playing scum difficult, given his past, it wouldn't surprise me at all if having to play 2 scumgames in a row was very demoralising.
Personally I find playing scum very difficult and when I have to play more than one in succession it wears me down.
Excusing someone for lurkiness when there's even less reason, imo, not to be in the thread as *town* isn't very good reasoning.
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So you are now more sure about lynching ShiaoPi than goodkarma?
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I wanna discuss adam right now actually.
What do you think of him trying to lynch me for being bad but having all the people he brought up for being bad flipped town?
Actually what do you guys think of the whole part where I was being an asshole and bad?
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Marv, actually I would like you to explain more about your read on Cora and rayn as well.
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On June 23 2013 20:38 Ange777 wrote:
That would leave us with your other scum read goodkarma. I am not so sure whether I really can believe that we had two scum as our lynch targets on day 1 ... seems unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely. I haven't seen much from him to actually change my mind about his play but in light of the flip I am unsure about lynching him. I still want to see a second scum read from him.
Happens more often than you think, I ran (and got) mayor in LIX based on lynching between 2 mafia candidates, I got in trouble in Fruity for opposing a mafia lynch to push another mafia lynch, in Dr Who the lynch was between two mafia, Hydra 2 as well.
That said I understand what you mean, but it's pretty hard for me to exonerate GK especially as two people besides me on the wagon (Cora, Hapa) I don't think are mafia
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On June 23 2013 20:43 Ange777 wrote:
Marv, actually I would like you to explain more about your read on Cora and rayn as well.
rayn seems to me to have put in some of the most effort on Day 1 into solving the game. A lot of his posts show inquisitive thinking and trying to determine motives. He just seems very interested in solving the game. I feel somewhat less strongly than I did on Day 1 for reason already mentioned, so we'll see where he goes from here.
I agree with... um... someone? :D who said that DP flipping red actually makes Corazon look quite a bit better than DP flipping green. If they're mafia together then Corazon really didn't try to push the lynch off DP onto GK at all. The issue with this is that it relies on the assumption that GK is green, which isn't one we can really make with any certainty at this stage. Other than that his posts read genuine enough, his bitch argument with me is the same bitch argument we always seem to have when he's town. He seems to care although his absence around the lynch is a bit concerning.
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On June 23 2013 20:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna discuss adam right now actually.
What do you think of him trying to lynch me for being bad but having all the people he brought up for being bad flipped town?
Actually what do you guys think of the whole part where I was being an asshole and bad?
I really do hope that when you are talking about being an asshole and bad in the past tense that that chapter is closed and will not be opened ever again in your mafia career. I flicked through the post game of Roulette and saw people praising you for your play and proving your innocence. It would help us if you could stick to that.
On to the topic of lynching you. Your hapa case - Hapa is scum. Lynch him. - wasn't very helpful. If you are actually suspecting him of being scum come up with a real case. Seeing you post like that certainly makes me think that we would not lose an asset to town if you were dead.
I don't feel I can comment well on Adam. There just isn't much there to evaluate.
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Unless something absolutely amazing comes up, there's not a chance we're lynching Hapa tomorrow
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